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Advantage Play (roulette wheel physics) => Roulette Physics => Topic started by: pins on October 17, 2008, 04:20:53 AM

Title: forecast
Post by: pins on October 17, 2008, 04:20:53 AM
we know people forecast the next number from where the ball is released. just wondering if you can forecast the next number from where the ball lands. anyone done any work on this.
Title: Re: forecast
Post by: VLSroulette on October 17, 2008, 08:35:21 AM
Hello pins, thanks for opening the section.

Quotejust wondering if you can forecast the next number from where the ball lands

Do you mean pocket-counting disk-based prediction?

Regards.
Title: Re: forecast
Post by: TwoCatSam on October 17, 2008, 10:08:01 AM
pins

I wrote this some time back.
 
Sam

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Title: Re: forecast
Post by: MATTJONO on October 18, 2008, 12:59:30 PM
id say if the dealer is guna be spinning for lets say an hour we track he results from wher the spin was say 16 and she spinning the ball clockwise it lands on 20 this would go on our tally as 3 so 3 would have 1 hit we do a tally from 1-36 on microsoft exel and track the results and i would gess you could find out the hottest area to cover could be cover the 10th number away to the 20th number away from the way is spinning the ball. anyone have any idea what so ever im going on about or can anyone try and understand.
basickly if recording for half a hour and her results show that 40% of the time it is landing opposit the last number or at least around that area lol :-X :-X :-X :-X   
Title: Re: forecast
Post by: Kelly on October 28, 2008, 03:15:38 AM
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg87.imageshack.us%2Fimg87%2F7765%2Fkiesanaor9.jpg&hash=410cc55cfe8cbf2d65b5c619c075cb72415359f8)


This is a german Kies wheel. On this wheel the ball type can demolish any dealers signature. There is a chart on a 17 mm nylon ball too that seems to be gone, but the chart shows a more normal distribution between the release number and the final outcome number.

With the 21 mm ball and this dealer, you will have an extremely high frequency of hits if you just bet 3 - 5  numbers located 3 - 4 numbersto the left of the number where the ball is released from. I watched these spins and there are with this wheel/ball/speed combination almost no bunce at all which makes the betting area very reliable. Just watch out for the ball swap, otherwise shit will hit the fan with full speed.
Title: Re: forecast
Post by: lucky_strike on October 28, 2008, 07:41:28 AM
Now I am exploring VB and I have been getting some material to work with.
I think a software like that would help :) how do i get one ???

LS
Title: Re: forecast
Post by: Boo_Ray on October 30, 2008, 08:11:47 PM
anyone here has any good sugestions where I can read more about VB
Title: Re: forecast
Post by: Kelly on October 31, 2008, 05:02:48 PM
Really sure you wanna know ? Here is a brief description of the development of the crossover numbers in a spin. Not to be confused with Scotts crossovers which is something entirely different.

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg143.imageshack.us%2Fimg143%2F6600%2Fcrossoverszz7.jpg&hash=5572a4167139fdefaa98bc60fad7d035fb19d953)

The development is different with different wheel speeds.

RR = referenz diamond
KR = collision diamond
Auge = eye
1, 2, 3, 4, etc. is the place at the rotor that passes the referenz diamond as the ball spins 9 revoloutions.  You see the difference of the placement of 8 and 9. Its because the ball is so slow at that moment that the rotor travels almost 1/2 a revoloution in the last ball revoloution. Where the difference between 1 and 2 is only a short distance because the ball is a lot faster here.

The picture is taken from the method "Die Vereinfachte Kesselgucker Methode" from Pierre Basieux, which is a simplified Visual Ballistic method (Verinfachte = Simplified) which is based in the ball releasepoint, wheel speed and the location of the release number at the 4th ball revolution versus the release point area.


Title: Re: forecast
Post by: Boo_Ray on October 31, 2008, 08:47:37 PM
Im sure I wanna know :)
Title: Re: forecast
Post by: bobbybobby on November 07, 2008, 04:21:29 AM
hi Kelly, are you the same Kelly from Gamblers Glen that posted things about House System?  :-)


BobbyBobby



Quote
This is a german Kies wheel. On this wheel the ball type can demolish any dealers signature. There is a chart on a 17 mm nylon ball too that seems to be gone, but the chart shows a more normal distribution between the release number and the final outcome number.

With the 21 mm ball and this dealer, you will have an extremely high frequency of hits if you just bet 3 - 5  numbers located 3 - 4 numbersto the left of the number where the ball is released from. I watched these spins and there are with this wheel/ball/speed combination almost no bunce at all which makes the betting area very reliable. Just watch out for the ball swap, otherwise shit will hit the fan with full speed.
Title: Re: forecast
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on November 30, 2008, 10:58:38 AM
 :) Boo Ray, try the book "Get the edge at Roulette, How to predict where the ball will land"
Author is Christopher Pawlicki

I have the physical book. Explains cross-overs etc.

Cheers
Jakk
Title: Re: forecast
Post by: Boo_Ray on November 30, 2008, 05:11:49 PM
thanks jakk
will try get it :)
Title: Re: forecast
Post by: geoff365 on December 03, 2008, 12:01:22 AM
On the VIP someone once stated it had its own law of the third. 24 pockets in 36. True or not unknown.