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Hi, kimo
Nice to see you here again ;)
G'day Kimo
Check out winkles GUT system Kimo, it is the most original idea (apart from yours) I have seen for a long time!
Cheers
Bit harsh rev, nobody should stop trying to learn. How much have you studied Kimo's systems???
............... you have " The Holy grail of Roulette " ?? ???
Carlitos 8)
In my humble opinion, there are PERSONAL holy grails, this means, systems which beat the personal set of actuals a certain player will experience on his whole lifetime.
Victor
Hello Kimo Li,
Indeed it has been an long time since we traded words. I think our trade on words was not so much if I can remember well.
You are totaly right if you say you do not want to share it with the public. Why should you......
But I did not ask for it. I only found it remarkable that you said it that way.....
Mr. Chips, somehow you have an point here. But if you have an system that keeps winning or beating roulette in the long- short term without nobody knowing one can also conclude it has the Holy grail without sharing it with others.....
Carlitos 8)
Mr. Chips, off course if someone says he has the holy grail it can be an balloon full of hot air or perhaps it is the holy grail of roulette. We can not determine this, only when it is shared. But it does not mean that it does not exist because it was not shared with others........
Carlitos 8)
Quote from: VLSroulette on October 26, 2008, 03:04:13 PM
In my humble opinion, there are PERSONAL holy grails, this means, systems which beat the personal set of actuals a certain player will experience on his whole lifetime.
Victor
I have to agree with Victor here, this would explain why some systems here have different results for different people.
Just my 2c's
........ thats their problem if they fool themselfs....... or like to believe so..... One can believe so and it ain't so or one tests it himself at the casino and it is so..... or not....... or shares it and it ain't or shares it and it is so........
Carlitos 8)
With all respect, Kimo Li, it sounds like you're bragging about having a HG to try and sell more copies of your books. But don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with a bit of self-publicity. You've got me curious for one! Let me ask a quick question, are your books based around visual ballistics or is it more "system" based (or a mixture of both), or is it something else entirely different? I know you're probably tell me that I'll have to buy the book find out, but I thought I'd ask just the same.
Cheers,
CD
Hi Kimo,
Welcome back - I've just recently returned to the forums myself after a very long break. There is no doubt that you are an innovator, motivator, and your books have inspired some very exciting research and new developments.
Chicken dinner - Kimo's book was posted here on this forum last year and freely available to anyone interested at the time. I don't know if it is still a live post or not. Also as a matter of useful information, I ran a charity competition last Christmas on the other forum - Kimo very generously contributed all the prizes. The runaway winner was Holyman, he led from start to finish using plays created and inspired from his understanding of Kimo's book. What captured everyone's attention was that Holyman selected just 3 numbers for each play and was successful in 5 out of 6 rounds of 12 spins. After the competition he was challenged by Bobbybobby to a further friendly challenge over a longer period of play and his profitability was equally impressive using the same method.
Kimo has mastered roulete and he is one of the true gentlemen of this world.
Best regards
Ordered your book, Kimo. Looking forward to reading it.
Ron. :)
At a parallel universe, not far from our own:
YES! I have *THE* system...
Now I only need my personal numbers to match that system for good. C'mon 19, make daddy happy...
Morality: The best system in the world is useless if your own experienced numbers don't match, hence why not doing it backwards? Use your personal numbers and match the system based on that ;)
This is why some spanish pro's don't use a system, they use strategies based on an Arsenal of systems (i.e. Manrique).
Also, our fellow friend Goodhand elaborates on the necessity of changing systems on a regular basis, as they too have a "useful lifetime" past which if the player continues using them, losses are inevitable.
We aren't inmortals anyway; we won't be betting forever, if systems usually win at the beginning and then "die" in the minus, then choose to quit using them before they give it all back!, that's quite a phylosophy to shallow, but it is used by some already: averaging more used systems in the plus than those which died at the beginning in the minus.
Sort of frequent vs infrequent events. Systems beginning in the plus being the frequent event vs systems getting the bad run at the very start. Like Manucher said to me: We have to see how much the system wins when it wins and how much the system loses when it loses; that's the final average, what really counts.
Regards.
This isn't a plug for Kimo's book, but IMO it's very good value for anyone interested in roulette (I have the Euro wheel version). There's an awful lot of work involved in memorising the global pies, so it's not for the lazy or casual player. Kimo isn't explicit about this, but my understanding, considering the emphasis on "roulette ball movement", is that the "system" is an innovative method of dealer signature.
Sounds interesting. I guess I'll just have to check out these books for myself. :)
Quote from: kimo li on October 25, 2008, 03:14:52 AM
I am no expert. I am an innovator. I innovate.
What does that mean? It means that I create and manipulate ideas to produce a calculated outcome.
Someone show me something new, please.
Kimo Li
Hi Kimo,
I like these words particularly. Regarding your book about European Roulette I try to develope a strategy to play roulette.
I believe or at least assume that numbers opposite in the wheel are the same number. My assumption comes from the way both wheel and ball are spun.
4/33 for ex. share the same socket. But if i'm mistaken i could say this belief let me develope a strategy.
Not to say i try to play a tie-bow plan: bet on opposites in the wheel.
I divide the wheel in 4 sector:
Sector N° 1: 32-15-19-4-21-2-25-17-34
Sector N° 2: 6-27-13-36-11-30-8-23-10
Sector N° 3: 5-24-16-33-1-20-14-31-9
Sector N° 4: 22-18-29-7-28-12-35-3-26
Every sector has 3 sections:
1° sección 2° sección 3° sección
1° sector 32-15-19 4-21-2 25-17-34
2° sector 6-27-13 36-11-30 8-23-10
3° sector 5-24-16 33-1-20 14-31-9
4° sector 22-18-29 7-28-12 35-3-26
And every section has 3 positions:
PRIMERA SECCION
1° posición 2° posición 3° posición
1er. Sector 32 15 19
2do. Sector 6 27 13
3er. Sector 5 24 16
4to. Sector 22 18 29
SEGUNDA SECCION
1er. Sector 4 21 2
2do. Sector 36 11 30
3er. Sector 33 1 20
4to. sector 7 28 12
TERCERA SECCION
1er. Sector 25 17 34
2do. Sector 8 23 10
3er. Sector 14 31 9
4to. Sector 35 3 26
In the end we have something like this:
32 15 19 4 21 2 25 17 34
6 27 13 36 11 30 8 23 10
5 24 16 33 1 20 14 31 9
22 18 29 7 28 12 35 3 26
For my purposes when tracking and recording numbers/positions i give the sectors a specific colour for each one.
Sectors 1/3 are red while 2/4 are black.
Now I play following the tendencies shown for the spun numbers. I track sectors, sections and positions.
The tendencies on sections and positions will show 3 variants:
a) repetition, right, left, repetion
b) repetition, left, right, repetion
c) repetion of a figure spun once or more times (go on betting on it till it dies)
An example from an Hamburg table:
05.04.2003
Crp Sp CW CC Tendencies
------------ Sector Section Position Section Position
1 1 33 3(R) 2 1
1 2 24 3(R) 1 2 L R
1 3 22 4(N) 1 1 R L
1 4 28 4(N) 2 2 D D
1 5 17 1(R) 3 2 D R
1 6 5 3(R) 1 1 D L
1 7 15 1(R) 1 2 R D
1 8 2 1(R) 2 3 D D
1 9 26 4(N) 3 3 D R
1 10 0
1 11 26 4(N) 3 3 R R
1 12 34 1(R) 3 3 R R
1 13 36 2(N) 2 1 I D
1 14 9 3(R) 3 3 D I
1 15 12 4(N) 2 3 I R
1 16 30 2(N) 2 3 R R
1 17 4 1(R) 2 1 R I
1 18 32 1(R) 1 1 I R
1 19 33 3(R) 2 1 D R
1 20 32 1(R) 1 1 I R
1 21 24 3(R) 1 2 R D
For this strategy Ive been aided by Kimo Li's GPM for European Roulette and an ancient argentinian study named "Los Guerrilleros del Azar" ( something like "The Guerrillas of the Chance")
I wish this can help some of you. It doesnt guarantee leaving the Casino a winner but......
Cheers,
Carlos.
Hi Carlos,
Thank for your post mate. It looks very interesting.
I just finished reading Kimo's book aswell, also very inspiring by the way.
Will look more at your post, when i get some more time in the future. And maybe do some testing.
Thank you.
BR
Kingpin
Welcome Kingpin. Recording the outcomes this way provide you with different manners to attack the wheel. From most to lesser importance i would say to take into account number positions, then sections and last sectors.
In the example i should have made clearer that:
R=red
N=black
R=repetition
L=left
D=right
I think a strategy to play this way needs an "educated guess" so as to arrive in term to catch a developing pattern for sectors (R/N). On positions try those more prolifics in same sections from different sectors. Maybe most advisable would be to play 4 numbers at a time taken from 2 or 4 sections. "Educated guess" as i said before.
Testing this is up to you Kingpin.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Hello Kimo. Reading your roulettebook and memorising the 6 Global Pies helped me tremendeously on the road to understand roulette.
The Matrix, especially Holyman's (no offense) contributed further to this. Listen and Learn from the Masters has always been my 1:st priority when gaining knowledge. Thank You Guys. I truly appreciate it.
Regards
/Compa
Kimo Li's strategies sounds interesting.
Today, I ordered The European Roulette Book (Innovative Strategies for the Single Zero Roulette Wheel).
Today, Kimo Li's book "The European Roulette Book (Innovative Strategies for the Single Zero Roulette Wheel)" is arrived.
I'm going to read it. I'm curious... :)
Be very sure not to ever share any holy grail with me >:D
I'm the worst kind of man. I wish I wasn't but my frequency of mishabits lower when I come to terms with the fact that I am.
For every good thing I do, I build up a need to to something evil... I try to focus the good on others and taket he bad hits myself.
Maybe that's what makes me a good man though? I don't know... Infinity is infinite and there's no easy way of telling if a person is good or bad, it all comes down to (in my opinion) how you add up in the end when you've made all your choices.
Yeah, the choice between good or bad is as situational as the mathematical choice between red and black.....
There's always a 2,7% chance there's no way of telling if it's either...
The same Action can in 2 different situations be regarded as either one...
Creepy!
Hi Benmaster,
I like your aproach, everything is almost how i would do it ;D
You should take a look at KFS' distance tracker nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/kfs'-distance-tracker/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/kfs'-distance-tracker/) (nice program for finding dealer signature), i think you will like it.
At the moment i try to figure out how to exploit the patterns found with this.
It's not easy, and i want to be sure before i try with real money.
I also like the idea of possitive progressions.
Best Regards
Kingpin
Ben,
Your method of tracking looks interesting and relatively easy to follow. I'll investigate it further and see how it works for me. The important thing is that it works for you.
It is good to be able to take any learned technique, system, or method and adapt them to your style of play and convenience. For instance, when I used to track and play win loss, I would use + and - notation rather than WL. I would only use the "W" or "L" on the actual bets placed. Also, I use alpha notation (letters) for the pie sections rather than numbers 1 5 3 2 6 4 (OO wheel). It just seems easier to me because of the way that only 3 4 5 6 appear in their own section. Even as I type this, I don't know if I've got it right. If not, I'm sure someone will correct me. RP
Quote from: Benmaster on March 16, 2009, 01:03:06 PM
In places where the direction of the wheel changes from spin to spin, perhaps this strategy could be adapted somehow...
Where the direction of the wheel changes from spin to spin, actually most cases, then merge +1 with -1, +2 with -2, and S with O. That way you'll have obviously the original Kimo's HEMI, NUKE AND TIEBOW.
As you are playing on patterns already spun waiting them to repeat so I suggest you to add STARS to your strategy. Why not playing due sectors with last 4 stars spun?
Ex:
32
32
17 hemi or +1 -1 (wheel spun both directions)
10 hemi or +1 -1
Now you should bet on stars 1,2 and 6 on a hemi pattern to continue so sectors 6 and 5 on a 0wheel.
Then bet on 25, 17, 13, 5, 24 and 20 (stars, 1, 2, and 6)
This way we are following a pattern not only on ball movement around the wheel but on stars inside each sector altogether.
The most I would look back for the stars are last 4 spins. In the worst of the scenarios I would be betting on 8 numbers (4 different stars x 2 sectors)
Do I make me underestand?
Cheers,
Carlos.
Hey Benmaster,
Do you play against the same dealers all the time? If you do, do you find some are more predictable than others?
Hello Benmaster,
Thanks for your brillant idea and thanks Komo Li for his excellent book. I have read you post a couple of times and noticed your method of tracking is practical for actual playing in B&M casino. I would like to test it out further in actual casino. By the way, do you take into accounts the direction of the wheel in your tracking? Can we apply your method for air ball roulette table?
Thanks & Regards
sniper
Hello Benmaster,
Congratulation on your winning and thanks for answering my question. I will study and try out your system and will report back on the outcome.
Regards
sniper
Benmaster's comment about spinning the wheel in alternate directions made me wonder whether Kimo's methods would be effective in this case. I'm interested in this because that's exactly what the dealers do in the UK where I live.
Kimo, do you have any experience of playing under these conditions, or any comments on whether they would be favourable or otherwise to your "system"?
Thanks!
Thanks for the feedback Kimo, I was thinking the same thing myself. More work involved, but not a major obstacle.
cheers,
Hello Kimo Li,
Thanks for your feedback regarding tracking on alternating wheel direction. If I were to play using Benmaster's method, is it necessary for me to have two seperate betting signals instead of one?
Thanks & Regards
sniper
Thanks Kimo Li for your guidance.
Regards
sniper
hy kimo!
i bought your book,the european roulette book,but......i still don t know how to predict the exact roulette number!!!!
can u give me more clues?or can u expain......?