Hi Guys,
Ok, we are all using any of the wonderful systems / ideas @ this forum [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
And guess what we are up, yes winnings are coming our way [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
Obviously the casinos aren't to happy to see their money go... :(
So, how have they tried to stop you???
Have they :-
changed the limits that you can bet?
Banned you from the casino?
"Lost" that online connection when you are in the middle of a progression?
Not pay out for a long time?
basically, anything!!!
So please, let's share any experiences here..... Where we can all learn.... [smiley=smiley.gif]
Many thanks to anybody how takes the take to reply.......
Take it easy..... [smiley=beer.gif]
I have had casino swap the wheel in the middle of the night with one from another table.
I have had casino flat out close down the wheel in front of me with a gaming commission agent standing by as witness.
An assoicate of mine has politely been asked to leave (banned) from the casino.
Yes, the casinos DO NOT WANT a consistent winner in any form and they are ruthless in trying to put you out of action. They don't care how you are winning, just that you ARE winning.
Hi Tiger999,
WoW :-? Have visions of the gaming commission agent looking like Tony Soprano :) Could I ask why your associate was asked to leave?? & how much had you / he had won??
Many thanks for taking the time to reply....
BTW, how & when did you find out that they had swapped the wheel ??
Cheers [smiley=beer.gif]
hey Mr xman....
As a casino dealer I think I could answer a couple of you questions...
If the casino would close a table in the middle of a game would mean that the wheel was bias in some way....and a person from GC would be present, so that everything would go by the rules...also you say that they flat out closed the table....did the dealer say "3 last spins".......
Also xman...
You ask how much you have to win for casino to start noticing...
I got a questions for you....let say you are a pitboss.....and you got player A and player B playing at your table...who would you watch more carefuly?
Player A plays with 50$ for a unit....he has won 1500$......that would be 30 units........
Player B plays with 1$ for a unit.....he has won 350$.............that would be 350 units....
Which one do you think would teh casino had his eye on more...?
Malty
Hi Maltezan,
Nice to know our "insider" is here to help... [smiley=wink.gif] Very valid point with your player A /B point, your basically saying try to fly under the radar?
Just out of interest has anybody @ your casino been "asked to leave" because of winning so much? Or is this just an urban myth?
Thanks for the reply.....
Take it easy... [smiley=beer.gif]
Hi xman...
Well the casino's will ALWAYS be more interested in the player B.....why you ask?
Let say that they both have played for 400 spins........
in the end of the day....Player A with 50$ per unit made a whooping 1500$ or 30 units playing outside bets....wow he is the star at the table all of the people are saying " That's great"....or " Have did you win so much".....etc etc........
and as for player B......He won 350$ with 1$ per unit.......so he won 350 units playing outside bets......he walks quitely out of the casino not drawing an atention to himself...
99% of people will probably think that casinos will look at player A.......They are 100% mistaken....
Casinos will ALWAYS LOOK AT PLAYER B!!!!
Why???
Becuse player A only made 30 units in 400 spins!!!!!!!
An becuse player B made 350 units in 400 spins!!!!!!!
Casinos don care about the value of units........they care about the amount of units the player walks out!!!!
Now lets say it diffretly....
Lets say that both player would play with 50$ per unit....
player A would win 1500$....but player B would have won 17.500$.....
Hope this insight has given you something to think about the next your in casino.......
Malty
Point taken Malty....
Cheers... [smiley=beer.gif]
Maltezan
what if u win neither 1500 nor 300000nor 350 but only 50 dollars and leave
are u about to be dismised
You wouldn have been dissmised chopin even if you would win 17.500$.....but I was just saying what casinos look for....
I have not yet seen anybody or hear that becuse they won so much that they would be banned from casino.....mostly people get banned for bad behaviour....You don't get banned that quickly....We had a guy that won over 50.000€ in 4 weeks......he wasn't banned........I think he used VB.........I think the hightst he came was about 80.000€.....but than for some reason his method wasn't working very good..... I think in the end he was smart enough and he ended in profit of about 15.000$.....of course I don't know if he was going to other casinos...that guy came to closes we had of a pro in our casino....
Malty
Sorry Malty,
What does VB mean?? :-[
Anybody note what system he was using??
Or
Average system but big big bankroll......
Many thanks insider [smiley=wink.gif]
hi xman....
With VB I meant....Visual Ballistic
Malty
I see, thanks malty [smiley=wink.gif]
Is that the kind of thing that (dare I say his name) Steve Hourmouzis sells ??
have heard some very up n down things about that name..... [smiley=undecided.gif]
hey xman...
Well yes Steve does sell his system.....which incorporates Visual ballistics....or so he says...don't have it myself...
You don't need to buy it from him to use VB...with VB a player look for dealer signiture....like if a dealer has got a constant throw...than the ball should land in one area more than in other....this is what VB players try to take advatage off.... Ronjo uses VB alot in his play I think....
Malty
Again thanks to this forum & guys like Malty I learn something new each day.... [smiley=wink.gif]
Many [smiley=dankk2.gif]
No problem xman ;)
Glad to help out,
Malty
hello there!
hey maltezan country fellow, if i cann say so....
please tell me, if you suspect or hawe a suspicion that a player uses VB, has the casino some contra action, lets say dealer swap or ball swap or somthing?
tnx
Good Inquery xman and practical examples by Malty-
In the 15 years investigating casinos countermeasures responses to advantage players, it's been my experience that the pit is more interested in how you win that how much you win as any one can experience a lucky streak and usually the casino will recover these any loses in the near future.. But if a player demonstrates an ability or methodology to over come the table odds consistentley he will be evntually considered a threat and will be ID and his game plan game plan will be video recorded and private info shared upstream to warn participating casinos in security service.
Once the table is not reporting expected revnues, the pit will want to see what's going wrong with the game and will react accordingly to cheats and or AP. Not to be rude but a large majority of visiting enteratinment players will never experience this as most won't win consisitentley or enough to capture this kind of serious attention but in Las Vegas there are 1000's black listed.
Mind you, not saying every casino, every dealer, every time but mangement will not sit idly by and do nothing. A shared common mangement attitude is that the property is offering an entertainment called gambling which is a losing proposition for suckers and not an opportunity for players make a living - just sharing a prevelant mentality and reaction scenario.
Thanks in advance for your consideration, my humble experience is being offered pro bono publico for the benefit of serious board players and not intended as an insult to anyone.
Peace & Prosperity,
RoB :)
Nicely put RoB, welcome to the forum :) Hope your time here is enjoyable & profitable [smiley=wink.gif]
Take it easy... [smiley=beer.gif]