OK, here's the thread where we discuss the G.U.T. should anyone care to. This will be an empirical test. It will look at exactly what happened in real time. No supposition or suspicion, just the facts, Ma'am! No ifs ands or buts; not wouldas, couldas or shouldas. Just the "True Gen".
As to negativity and the old saw "It won't work." Bring in on! Pile it on! Get a Bobcat and dump a load of it on!
Until you can affect the next spin of the wheel and where the ball lands, you don't worry me.
If I fail, I'll be the first to announce it!
Wish me crosssings, winkel!
TwoCatSam
Nice 2cat&1dog :) (btw where are they, can't see non of them)
great that you are gonna take time and make this test official..
btw In your video, that 3,3,12,26 There was somwthing in your voice that you wanted to bet :P
I wish you Good Luck, Sam!
Really.
KFS
KFS
I know you do.
And I thank you!!
Sam
Boo_Ray
There is something, always something, I want to bet. That has been my downfall in the past. Getting distracted.......
The cats are rather wild and only come to eat. Well, one lies about a bit and visits if you don't get too close. The other eats and has an appointment, or something!
The coons and possums show up late at night for a snack. That's a coon in the avatar.
The possum and Bailey play around the food dish. The possum drops food for Bailey! Sloppy eater!!
What did I say in that video?
Sam
Hi TwoCatSam
Your video is GREAT!!!
Thank you very much for your teaching and testing GUT. After following your test and watched your videos several times I am very clear about the system.I believe what you have done actually benefited most of the GUT followers.I would also like to thanks Winkel for this wonderful and excellent system.
From the bottom of my heart, thank you TCS and thanks Winkel.
Rgds
sniper
sniper
Thank you for those kind words. If it turns out good, it's winkel. I'm just the student!
Today I'm off to the doc to see why my heart flips and flops and why my left foot is swelling.
He'll probably say, "Too much roulette, fool!"
Frankly, I think it was watching that bankroll grow to over $1400. That may have kilt me!!
Sam
Best of luck Sam! I hope it works out so that I can start looking at it. Not sure my pea-sized brain will be able to grasp it, but I'm willing to try!
cps10
With the software droidman wrote, this thing is a snap to figure out.
Trick: Don't doze off waiting for a crossing. Not good!
Sam
Sam, you're lucky you only have two. We have four cats.
Sounds like you may have another thing that I have - an irregular heart beat.
Ron.
You won't believe this: I have to give up coffee!
I am devastated!
Sam
That's terrible, although I hate coffee with a passion, most of the population has 4+ coffees per day.
I didn't like coffee, anyway. Had to cut back to 1 tea a day, though. How cruel.
Have to take a drug that slows down me heart (and the rest of me, too).
Ron.
Gents,
I have drank coffee for over 50 years. Lots of coffee. A small battleship could float in the coffee I've drank! Make that a large battleship. A fleet, for heaven's sake!!
Sam
Once it is conclusive, Sam, then I will start working on it :)
I have a feeling that when I have my physical the day before Thanksgiving, that the ol' Doc is going to tell me to cut out caffeine as well. Heart problems run rampant in my family. After my Dad passed away from cancer three years ago, they told me that aggregate with his pacemaker that he had several thousand heart attacks, even though most of them were very minor. Good thing for that defibulator!!
TCS,
Im done testing the GUT, I have tested close to 1,000 spins and ended up at close to my starting bankroll, going up, then down then up. I was never consistent. This was done on RNG's.
You are the last hope. Unless your tests make consistent profits then I think I am officially done with the GUT. Over the long-term, at least in my opinion, the GUT does not give you any advantage at all when betting on a crossing just like KFS proved.
I am eager to see your final results!
madupz4
A video will be posted shortly, as soon as it is finished uploading to Motion Box. In that video you will see me go down, down, down! You will hear the angst in my voice. Then I jump back and it's a different world. I end up ahead for the trot.
Now you say you go up and down. I'm not suggesting you do this, but what if I had doubled my bet at my low point and then came back stronger? That is my T.C.U.P.T. method. I'm not doing it because I don't have the guts, pure and simple. But if I had used my own invention every time I went down 50u, I would be ahead much more.
Right now, I just want to determine if the gut works or not.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 11, 2008, 03:08:31 PM
madupz4
A video will be posted shortly, as soon as it is finished uploading to Motion Box. In that video you will see me go down, down, down! You will hear the angst in my voice. Then I jump back and it's a different world. I end up ahead for the trot.
Now you say you go up and down. I'm not suggesting you do this, but what if I had doubled my bet at my low point and then came back stronger? That is my T.C.U.P.T. method. I'm not doing it because I don't have the guts, pure and simple. But if I had used my own invention every time I went down 50u, I would be ahead much more.
Right now, I just want to determine if the gut works or not.
Sam
Yes I agree, that might work, and I might be willing to try it. I read your TCUPT method and it makes alot of sense. I tried to think of other ways to use it that would be even easier than the GUT.
For example, if you were to just flat bet Red vs. black for 10 spins, there are times when Red would dominate and times when Black would dominate. What if we flat bet RED for 10 spins, then if we are in the negative from our starting bankroll, then next 10 spins on red would all be doubled. (eg 5 units, then 10 units, then 15 units, then 30 units, etc.....) untill we are back at even, then we start with our original bet of 5 units. Anytime we are ahead of our starting bankroll, then that is our new starting point. It would make sense that over time we would come out ahead, especially when over the long term a even money 50/50 bet should come in EVEN. What do you think? There has to be an easier way to exploit this rather than using it with the GUT. Lets brainstorm!
mad
Good point! I will give that some thought, if I can get my brain to function without caffeine.
What would really be interesting would be to see a graph of anything that goes up and down and always gets back to zero or very near. Imagine this:
[table=,]
We're Down,,,We're Up To
10,,,Even
20,,,-2
8,,,+1
14,,,Even
[/table]
If you doubled your bet each time you were at the bottom of the graph, you would make a killing.
'Course, who knows where the bottom is? Thus the double/double idea.
Sam
Getting back to the G.U.T.
I don't want to say this prematurely, but it seems that I am getting a feel for how things go during a trot. Here again, this may just be luck.
I have learned something for certain, and this should apply to any system or method. Yesterday, I called my wife in to see a hit as she loves to see the puck land on a number. Then she's gone. But in that time, only fifteen seconds or so, I missed a bet. I was still up 6.5 for the day, so what the heck?
The heck is that your balance is a running total and when you miss on the first of the month, it is still a miss on the thirtieth of the month. Money lost is money lost. A missed opportunity for a win is money lost!
The fewer mistakes I make, the more I profit. Mistakes also blow my concentration! Sometimes wins do, too!
Sam
If there is one other student of winkel other than myself.............
I am learning the "jump back" is vital to the success of this system. When you jump, it's almost like you have left the casino and returned another day. At least that's the way it was worked for me in my tests.
Yesterday I was truly thinking I was going to have to quit very much on the downside and walk away. After the jump, I started seeing wins and before long--lots of them--and I was up 8.5. My wife posed the question of how much per-hour I had made last night. Wives do that!
Being humble, I must say it could all be luck. I don't think it is.
Sam
i'm here just for you xxx
anonymous
Hi, Two Cat---can this be tested?
New Ken here. Here's a silly little system I came up with: you record 38 spins, and play "against" columns, and "segments".
Divide board into four equal segments of 9 nos each: 1-9, 10-18, 19-27, 28-36.
Now let's say the following constitute the first nos spun (of the 38):
15
27
19
02
14
13
etc...
In new 38 spins I simply play "against" last 38. for example:
The first no. (15) belongs to segment 2 (10-18), and also column 3 (3, 6, 9, 12, etc). I leave out these nos (18 in all) and play the remaining nos (20 nos including zeros).
I'm betting that the same column and segment will not replay in the order of the previous 38 spins.
I'm aware that New Spin No. Three, for example, may contain a number from the column and/or segment of Previous Spin No. Three---when this occurs, I initiate a progression to reclaim loss.
What are the odds of spins 3, 4, 5, and 6 corresponding exactly with previous spins 3, 4, 5, etc?
Am I making any sense..?
New Ken
I like that idea. If you could make me a chart for which numbers to bet on when a certain number corresponds, I could test it and put some results in a new thread. I would need specific rules to follow in order to make sure that we are on the same page. If you wish, please PM me so that we don't interfere with TCS' questions to the GUT system.
In other words, in the example that you had, you see that 15 showed in the first spin of the group of 38. Then you eliminate certain numbers and would bet on certain numbers. So, if you could do a chart for each number and what to bet on, that would be helpful.
Hi TCS,
just stop testing. As I won´t explain the more advantage rules, the betting you are doing so far is "luck". You bet two triggers at the same time, you bet more than 50 spins, and so on..
please stop before you lose your money.
br
winkel
Quote from: winkel on November 13, 2008, 05:20:19 PM
Hi TCS,
just stop testing. As I won´t explain the more advantage rules, the betting you are doing so far is "luck". You bet two triggers at the same time, you bet more than 50 spins, and so on..
please stop before you lose your money.
br
winkel
@ Winkel,
So you let 2Cats test for months & then tell him
"your betting lucky"
&
"I won't explain the advantage rules"
that's poor form Winkel :-[
As far as I'm concerned shame on you.....
Not impressed.....
whwoa! I'm a very new member, but I agree, man. Two Cat deserves better...
New Ken
Quote from: New Ken on November 13, 2008, 05:49:40 PM
whwoa! I'm a very new member, but I agree, man. Two Cat deserves better...
New Ken
Many Thx New Ken ;)
I have absolutely no doubt many more will agree with my comments.....
To everyone.....
I am doing the best I know how to do. I came up considerably in the last trot. I am not discouraged. Did anyone see me pump $229 to over $1400? I've got a little change to play with!
I learned my darn mouse battery was dying and that caused me not to be able to use Track4 and then it quit entirely and I could not even film it.
HINT: If you see your cursor moving by itself, you need a new battery!! I thought my computer had become "self-aware" and was trying to bet for me.
It's all fun.
Glad to hear from you winkel.
Sam
Quote from: winkel on November 13, 2008, 05:20:19 PM
Hi TCS,
just stop testing. As I won´t explain the more advantage rules, the betting you are doing so far is "luck". You bet two triggers at the same time, you bet more than 50 spins, and so on..
please stop before you lose your money.
br
winkel
....after all the time and the energy i've spent on this system.... :'( :'(
@ 2Cats
For someone who has stopped his caffeine intake after 56 years that was a very very mellow reply ;D
@ kompressor
Sorry dude >:( looks like it was a waste of time......
Quote from: xman1970 on November 13, 2008, 05:42:28 PM
Quote from: winkel on November 13, 2008, 05:20:19 PM
Hi TCS,
just stop testing. As I won´t explain the more advantage rules, the betting you are doing so far is "luck". You bet two triggers at the same time, you bet more than 50 spins, and so on..
please stop before you lose your money.
br
winkel
@ Winkel,
So you let 2Cats test for months & then tell him
"your betting lucky"
&
"I won't explain the advantage rules"
that's poor form Winkel :-[
As far as I'm concerned shame on you.....
Not impressed.....
please read my post again. I explained why he is playing on luck.
That I don´t explain the more advantage way (I partially did in the main topic) is due to my absence to this forum.
BTW: I never said to anyone he should play this with real money before he tested it on paper and learned all of it.
When I gave advantage hints, I was told I were cheating and lying and telling contradictions. If you follow the tests and movies of TCS you will hear or read: Just as winkel said.
I´m flamed enough. I always told: These are just the basic rules to get used to it.
So I´m not ashamed.
Perhaps if anyone is testing it a lot and reading all my words he will get the idea of it. and he will know how to use my statistics.
Hey Winkel, don't let a few disparaging posts discourage your work. I think there is great merit to what has been accomplished here. You said that a biased wheel could hurt the system performance.
I tested systems on Dublinbet (with great success) and Riverbelle (which I have had the most trouble),
I have reason to believe that there is a bias at the Riverbelle Wheel.
Moreover, they change dealers at Riverbelle and systems are dealing with outside forces (aside from the wheel itself.)
Different muscle strengths (especially from dealer changes), unintentional (or intentional) tilts of a Roulette Wheel, (even 0.5 degrees) of a tilt, can change statistics significantly.
Winkel why worry bout a few this is an open forum and the admin I guess has be careful how he censors If you were over at
GG it would be far worse hey they even complain there bout VLS because they cant get away with what they want to say bout people with new methods to try or test
It is funny really as this is supposed be open but if was really open youd have such a rabble in here disparaging everything everyone good and bad .
Dont worry bout the flames there is only one or two of emm most peopel in here are interested in what you hve to say
If the people like same prove your are wrong or right that be good enough for me as I think Sam and others like mr Chips are honest and above board
Anyhow I have said my 2 cents worth
Regards Rodney
Hi all,
winkel wrote above:
Quote
BTW: I never said to anyone he should play this with real money before he tested it on paper and learned all of it.
That's correct; he never said that!
... Did he ever say "
Test it on paper before you play with real money"?
NOT in this thread anyway - his own GUT-test thread:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/testing-g-u-t/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/testing-g-u-t/)
HOWEVER, he said this in that thread:
In reply #10 on: September 05, 2008, 02:55:38 PM
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I just wanna show, that [highlight]you won´t loose your bankroll[/highlight].
In reply #43 on: September 12, 2008, 05:21:39 PM »
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the both lists show that this strategie [highlight]is able to recover losses[/highlight]. Flat bet no progression needed.
In reply #64 on: September 15, 2008, 07:19:14 AM
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Hope you see and learn: Even if your decision are wrong sometimes and you loose like this, [highlight]You will always come back[/highlight]!
In reply #77 on: September 17, 2008, 12:49:06 PM »
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But this is a clinical test with iron rules, just to show [highlight]it wins more than it loses even with no human interactions[/highlight]
In reply #127 on: September 22, 2008, 05:36:55 PM
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On the other hand I told already: you can simply [highlight]play like an idiot and make wrong decisions the otucome is always the same: You win that often, that all your losses are recovered[/highlight]. Sometimes you win some units more.
In reply #184 on: October 01, 2008, 09:11:42 PM
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This is not a strategy you win every session you start, but [highlight]over all you will stay winning[/highlight].
In reply #194 on: October 13, 2008, 08:11:17 PM
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There may be times of losses, but [highlight]long term it wins more often than it loses[/highlight].
this test is very clinical no gamblers intelligence in it.
In reply #201 on: October 16, 2008, 02:54:31 PM
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and again: [highlight]any decision you make is okay[/highlight]. You will lose this time and win next time, as long there is a crossing.
Reply #206 on: October 16, 2008, 06:26:55 PM
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[highlight]The winning is due to the crossings[/highlight] not to the decision you make to bet or not.
In reply #209 on: October 16, 2008, 08:08:10 PM
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that doesn´t matter, because [highlight]another crossing later on will recover that possible loss[/highlight].
Those quotes are not really telling you to NOT "
play this with real money before he tested it on paper", are they?
But then I showed the results of our tests...
And so he writes in reply #262 on: October 25, 2008, 11:26:24 PM »
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[highlight]I can´t recommend anything[/highlight]. every spin-row acts different. [highlight]Your decision is needed,[/highlight]
But then; what about
reply #77 above:
Quote
But this is a clinical test with iron rules, just to show it wins more than it loses even with [highlight]no human interactions[/highlight]
? ??? ?
/KFS
PS
Have a look at what he himself writes in
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/kfs%27-gut-test/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/kfs%27-gut-test/)
regarding my[highlight] clinical[/highlight] GUT-test:
Reply #16 on: October 20, 2008, 11:06:00 AM
Quote
Quote
You suggested the rules for a test you KNOW would end positive.
what did you expect? [highlight]that I tell straight away it will lose?[/highlight]
Kon-fus-ed im confused now lol
Winkel can you unconfuse me
BTW i went to your forum is here a program you can used to translate the text
@ Winkel
First off I was NOT "disparaging" you GUT system at all....
The way I read it was that you stated 2cats was being "lucky" & that U "won´t explain the more advantage rules"
That what your post said....
Now to me that means that you have "moved the goalposts" (changed the rules) & left 2Cats & all those other people testing it (for OVER 2 months) swinging in the wind.
You have every right not to tell of your "advantage rules"
But I think you should of told them the way they were playing was not the best....
KFS's reply implies that you have a "plaster for every sore"
I just feel sorry for all those some people that have wasted all that time.....
@ Proofreaders2000
again, I wasn't "disparaging" the GUT system at all....
IF U had read what a typed in reply 25, you would know this......
All...
KFS went to a lot of work to cut and paste all of those quotes into this thread. Thank you, KFS.
I can honestly say--with clear conscious--all I want to do is prove winkel RIGHT.
I will continue to play the G.U.T because----it's fun! Do I want it to succeed? Yes! But if it doesn't, I'll still have fun trying.
There is a by-product to this G.U.T. While sitting and waiting I study the wheel. I am learning more about dealers than I ever have before.
I have no animosity toward you winkel. I have never poked fun at you. Do I get frustrated? Yes, I do.
I'm good if everyone else is!!
Sam
I think you have proven Winkel right TwoCat. However, isn't a "Grail" supposed to work for anyone, not just one or two people?
Proof
A "Holy Grail" would work for everyone. Frankly, I'm not even sure it works for me. When and if I hit the $1,000 mark in my test, I may have something to say.
Sam
[table=,]
Date, W/L , Grand Total
11.21.8.2 , 27.50 , 401.50
11.21.8.2, 33 , 434.50
11.22.8.1, 119 , 553
11.23.8 , 12 , 565
11.24.8.1 , <61> , 492, Here you should have 504
11.24.8.2, 62 , 554
11.24.8.2 , 103 , 657
[/table]
Boo_Ray
You are right. Sometimes I can't even add and subtrack, even while using a calkulatur!!
My bottom figure is almost always right, within a few dollars. I am going to start posting screen shots of my finals.
Thanks
Sam
keep doing this good work mate ;)
kompressor
Thank you! In my first session today I went up $114 and stand at $771 on my climb to $1,000.
Where's winkel??
Sam
Sam,
You might have answered this already, but you had said your high drawdown is 89, when in one session you said you were down 102? Perhaps the 89 was because it was 178 units on a 0.50 bet? If that's the case, this has been great man!!
cps10
You are right, I should change that. The most I have been down is 189 units and that is when I was betting .50. I have not gone down that far again.
That has been edited. Thanks for pointing that out and thanks for the encouragement.
Sam
Congratulations! I am proud that you have found something that is working so well. I hope the rest of us are that fortunate soon! Once you get through your tests, I intend to study this method intensely!
Hi TCS,
referring to your latest results:
As you remember I said: triple bankroll before you double unit-size
There are always streaks of a draw down, but they will recover.
here is my graph of the 100 Day-Test:
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.roulette-board.de%2Fuploads%2Fpost-89-1229284761.png&hash=3ee320a34a124366b61a372ab49d62fd359ee513)
as you see the draw down happens at all tables at the same time. Im after that and have a thery on that.
br
winkel
winkel
Yes, you did say that.
I'd love to hear your theory. I still have the faith!
I will have an in-depth question for you later. Must be off to dinner now.
Sam
OK, I started at $200 betting .50. At $400 BR I jumped to $1.00 bets. At $800 BR I jumped to $2 bets. Here's the question:
If I'm betting $2 bets and go on a loosing streak, when do I go back to $1 bets? Or do I just stay with $2 bets come win or lose?
Sam
Hey TwoCat. Seems $600 is a "safe" BR amount at $0.50. You don't know how long the losing streak will last,
At least with more than half your current bankroll, you'll "feel" decent.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 15, 2008, 11:14:03 PM
OK, I started at $200 betting .50. At $400 BR I jumped to $1.00 bets. At $800 BR I jumped to $2 bets. Here's the question:
If I'm betting $2 bets and go on a loosing streak, when do I go back to $1 bets? Or do I just stay with $2 bets come win or lose?
Sam
Hi TCS,
this is my calculation of MM:
Table: 200 units
Refill; 200 units
Restart: 200 units
so this is a total of 600 units.
Bet till 1800 units:
600 units save back to your pocket
1200 units are now new bankroll
Table: 400
Refill: 400
Restart; 400
and you can bet with 2 units
When you have a draw-down now by betting 2units and have to use the "Restart"-bankroll, go back to 1 unit-bets.
e.g. starting with 50ct-bets
Table: 100$
refill: 100$
restart: 100$
new total: 900$
300$ back to your pocket
600$ to bet with 1$-bets
br
winkel
btw:
I´m interested in the spins that brought you the massiv loss. Please psot the text-file, Thks.
Here they are:
Thx TCS,
unfortunately int the files there is no "jump-Back"-indicator. I hope you did try to jump :o
As I see, you did try to win the money back immediatly. for sure: That is not the way! That is the danger hidden in gambling! Be beware of this.
br
winkel
winkel
Yes, I did jump.
I know I made some mistakes in the playing. I do get caught up and find it hard to turn off the computer and walk away.
I'm working on it.
Sam
Hey TwoCat, I believe. You're an excellent Roulette player.
Here's an idea I wanted to pitch at ya. Have you thought about using Chicco as a guide for your GUT bets?
I'm ready for the HG announcement...
Proof
No, I haven't considered that. I'll just go back to the Chicco/murph system.
Please don't hold your breath on that HG statement from me. I am on a loosing streak or the different wheel is making the system tank.
They went from some wheel I'm not familiar with, to a Huxley Starburst.
Sam
So the GUT crashed and you lost it all back?
Herb
I started at 201 and I'm around 700 now. Always allowing you could be right!
Sam
QuoteIf I do some serious writing on this horrible downturn, would anyone be interested?
Hi TCS,
of course.
and one question: for better comparing the results could you add the unit-size you did bet or add a column that counts the units not the $
Full Recovery is possible! 8)
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.roulette-board.de%2Fuploads%2Fpost-89-1229284761.png&hash=3ee320a34a124366b61a372ab49d62fd359ee513)
br
winkel
winkel
Thank you. I will do the writing and the notation about units.
Sam
any development ??
kompressor
We are having our home remodeled. New hardwood floors and carpet. Terrible mess. I cannot play roulette.
I'll be back.
Sam
Here is one of two things I have learned about playing the G.U.T. I know this goes against winkel's teachings, but it works for me. Here's the chart:
[table=,]
0,,,1,,,>1
11,,,16,,,10
10,,,17,,,10
10,,,16,,,11
[/table]
OK, the first bet is the 0 vs >1 crossing, but is is 11 vs 10--what I used to call the "winkel non-crossing crossing". I bet on the 11 numbers in the zero column. I win and the bet is now 0 vs >1 and is 10 vs 10--a true crossing. BUT..since I just hit the zero column I do NOT bet it twice in a row. I put my money on the 17 numbers in the 1 column. I get a hit and the 0 vs >1 crossing wins since the 0 vs >1 is gone forever in this trot. Zero can never increase; the greater-thans always increase.
I call this the "TwoCat Bassackward Crossing"
I know it's not right, not Kosher, not proper in the etiquette books, but it works.
I got another one but I don't want to get you too excited all at once. ;)
Sam
you still play with the v4 tracker or the new gutcba of kon-fu ??
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 15, 2009, 03:44:54 PM
I know this goes against winkel's teachings, but it works for me. Here's the chart:
I know it's not right, not Kosher, not proper in the etiquette books, but it works.
I got another one but I don't want to get you too excited all at once. ;)
Sam
Hi TCS,
it is not against my teachings it is only against the basic rules.
I always said: bet every crossing and watch what is going on. I was punished for that. But you did ist and now you are able to harvest.
You are actually the second who expresses, that he learns to decide.
If you go on this way you will see a lot of logical decisions that lead you to follow and to bet a crossing or not to bet.
I will give you another hint:
you know these horrible crossings 13 12 12; 12 13 12; 12 13 13
there is also an easy way to get through withourt losing every bet.
[highlight]@kompressor[/highlight]
The GUTCBA is only for learning and testing not for playing. The tracker4 is the ultimate tool.
br
winkel
whats your total gain (units) since you've started playing gut sam ??
2000 units ???
Quote from: kompressor on January 15, 2009, 08:02:08 PM
whats your total gain (units) since you've started playing gut sam ??
2000 units ???
I don´t understand this kind of question.
What does tell you a figure of 7 000 000
or a figure of 20?
(despite of that you can read the exact number in his testing-posts)
a holy grail won´t win many units very fast. It only can win constantly more than it loses and it will win more than sigma+3 over the longest betting period.
And it recovers its losses slow but constantly.
pls ask more precisely what you wanna know.
If you want win fast and much, then play EvenChances with Martingale and its chance of total loss.
br
winkel
Quote from: Winkel on January 15, 2009, 08:34:54 PM
I don´t understand this kind of question.
What does tell you a figure of 7 000 000
or a figure of 20?
(despite of that you can read the exact number in his testing-posts)
a holy grail won´t win many units very fast. It only can win constantly more than it loses and it will win more than sigma+3 over the longest betting period.
And it recovers its losses slow but constantly.
pls ask more precisely what you wanna know.
If you want win fast and much, then play EvenChances with Martingale and its chance of total loss.
br
winkel
:'( :'( :'(
Winkel,
Why did you answer him like that? His question was quite direct and to the point.
Kompressor,
Your question was lucid, well thought out, and to the point. I think it's a translation error in the languages.
When I play, I know what to expect in terms of units won per spin.
Regarding a system that's a "Holygrail": Again, you would be able to determine how many units are won per spin on average and could easily calculate the average approx. edge of the method.
If you haven't kept track of the results on paper, or a computer, then you won't have any idea as to the long term results.
Regarding the slow to recover part: When you have the edge in roulette, it doesn't neccessarily take a long time or a short time for it to recover. It just does. Normal random fluctuations are part of the game, even when you have the edge. The size of your edge will partially dictate how large the normal downward fluctuations will be at the time.
Best of Luck and Cheers!
-Herb :)
first of all i'm in plus with the GUT...i've made real cash....but not extensively due to my little problems....i'm paying two mortgages since the past 6 months....long story...i just wait to sell the old one to run to the casino 8)
....but due to the economical market those days i'm losing almost 20 000$ of the original selling price :'(
winkel... i do believe in the GUT....it just make me more happy to see you angry trying to defend your HG...my pockets like it ;)
about TCS test
he start over his testing a few times...despite of some changes in his way of playing....basicly he was playing the GUT all the time....from what i've read he's still learning and playing new crossing those days so i dont know why we shouldnt take the past tests gain in consideration
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 07, 2009, 04:11:55 PM
kompressor
We are having our home remodeled. New hardwood floors and carpet. Terrible mess. I cannot play roulette.
I'll be back.
Sam
seems that you have made enough money for your wife's new floor with the gut sam,keep it up :thumbsup:
WTF?? Herb someone stole your login? that cant be you posting ??? ??? ??? :D
I have been trying to answer this for 3 days, but couldn't log on. Here was the answer:
kompressor
I am using the Track4 only. I find it easy to read and work with. A bang-up job by droidman! :thumbsup: to d-man. Since I've been playing the G.U.T I am up around $1500 or so. I went off on another system (Gamlet) and I got so excited I forgot to record who what winning what.
If you consider the winning bets vs the loosing bets, I loose more than I win, but some wins are with only ten numbers bet, so that pays a net of 25 units. As winkel said, these make up for the losers. I have maintained all along it is not how much money you actually win, it's the percentage of your bankroll that counts. I started with $200 making fifty-cent bets. At $400 I went to $1 bets and now I'm at $1042, which is still down by my $1360 high, but I'm battling back to that figure. That's a lot of winning bets. Figure it with $10 per number!!
winkel
I'd love to know about the 12 13 12 crossing. Please tell me.
Sam
Winkel
I would like to know too please tell me :D
TSK
Hi guys i have a few questions.
1) can u be profitable playing the gut with only 0v1, 0v>1, 1v>1 crossings? As winkels suggest playing that when u are beginning. But then he goes on to say that you must play a combination of crossings to get the positive balance.
2) when we are at: 11 16 10, we see a potential crossing of 11v10 (0v>1). For this to cross the >1 has to hit, so should we bet on the 16 "1"s. Further more the 0s are coming down, the 1s have gone up and are coming down, and the >1s are goin up. I think TCS has mentioned something like this during his play and i jsut wanted to know is this the right way of thinking or are we supposed to play the 0v>1 as the original rules.
I hope these questions make sense :)
I just like to say thanx to winkel for giving us these ideas. Its a different angle to the game that i would never have seen!!
Hi Potato,
thx for your interest.
Let me explain this situation by your example 11 16 10
1. the main rule says there has to be a difference of 1 or 0. This means you had to bet on 0vs>1 11vs10
2. What can happen:
a- 0 hits and it changes to 10 17 10 and we still have the same crossing 0vs>1 with a new trigger
b- 1 hits and it changes to 11 15 11 and we still have the same crossing 0vx>1 with a new trigger
c- >1 hits and there is no change in the trigger and we still have the same crossing 0vs>1 with the former trigger.
3. the flexible rule says: "Watch what is going on" and "If in doubt don´t bet"
a- the 11 16 10 came from 14 13 10 that means 3 0s in a row, would you bet on "0"?
b- the 11 16 10 came from 11 19 07 that means 3 1s in a row, would you bet on "0"?
c- there had been 3 hits of a >1 in a row, would you bet on 0s or on 1s?
d- if you follow the last hits and they were 0 1 2 2 1 ( ) would you bet on a 0?
e- if you follow the last hits and they were 2 0 1 0 1 ( ) would you bet on a 0?
f- if the last hits were 2 1 0 0 1 ( ) would you bet on a 0?
If your answer is "Yes" so bet.
If you are in doubt, don´t bet.
If you answer is "No", don´t bet
If you can make a decision either bet 0 or bet 1 or don´t bet.
ref your first question: Yes
br
winkel
Hi Winkel
...And the 12 13 12 crossing ??? Cmon mate dont keep us hanging on!!!! :'(
TSK
Thanx for the reply winkel (so fast :))
So basically at 11 16 10
its is not wrong to bet on the 0s or the 1s, it is based on gamblers intellegence. That answers my question because at times i felt that it was better to bet the 16 1s but hesitated becuase i didnt know if it was part of the gut.
Going back to my first question, i wondered if it was profitable to play only 0 1 >1 crossings, becuase i found myself in a situation where i would only be faced with those basic crossings.
From what i have read:
- u do not play any crossings b4 spin 25,
- the 1st crossing should b 0v1, otherwise start agian,
- if there is no crossing b4 spin 37 start agian
- we are basically looking for the distribution of 13 14 10 at around spin 37
So i found myself involved in mainly situations of 0v1 0v>1 1v>1, and not involved in many of the other crossings because i had restarted.
So is it wrong to restart too much?
Also when u have reached 13 14 10 at around spin 37 is it better to restart or would u continue?
Greetings!
We discussed the TwoCat Bassackward crossing somewhere. Now let's discuss the double crossing. Again, this is out of my experience.
In the Track4 we have the = columns and the > columns. I look at the = column (say 0) and then to the right for a number the same or one less. 15? I look for 15 or 14.
What if I look to the right and see two numbers which are the same or one less? Say 10 9 9. Use any numbers, just be sure there are two same or one less numbers to the right of your = column. Then you have a double bet. Double down on the ten (or whatever) numbers you bet.
Logic: If it is good to bet for either crossing, why not both? If you were betting red and even and your system called for a bet on red and even, would you not bet them both?
More later.......
Sam
Well, I'm back to the G.U.T.
I'm typing this to revive the thread so I can find it. I am using the search word Piper and Bailey to clue me in.
I have been playing the G.U.T. again lately and I see the exact same things I saw two or three years ago.
I still have the old tutorial videos but Motion Box, my repository wen belly and many are too long for Utube.
I can always make new videos.
winkle, where are you?
Sm
Hi Sam,
Winkel was posting for a while over on the other vls. Then he stopped. I believe he was unwell. Ive not seen him post since.
far
I'm sad to say this, but I suspect the man died. He once said he would not make to 2010. Look like a family member would let us know.
For those who care, in his honor, I will do my utmost to explain and teach his method. You'll never find anything like it.
While I'm at it, if droidman is still around I want to thank him again for Track4.
Sam
Died????Wrong Sam,he is over running his German site,as since Stive took over
other forum he said good bye.
-btw--Campus roulette forum
Winkel/prof.dr.Plein/
mc
Thanks!
I'm just going by what the man once said. He gave me the impression he had cancer and he said he would not see the end of 2009.
I'm glad the man is still with us and I hope he is well and happy.
Sam
Yes I remember him saying that...but as far as I know couple of best
programers test it with illion spins and apparently to them it doesn't
work.But whats the use of testing thatway....don't follow it.
I analyzed that n according 2 Winkel over 8 months of playing it produced constant profit but it was like 1u in long day sessions on average. Never believed in programmers testing. Additional problem is that u need 2 practice a lot first because it relies on sort of feel of d game. The rules r not everything. On other hand there is very good n easy 2 use software 2 help u with yr play but u still have 2 interpret it.
Hey.......
The software I use is Track4 by droidman.
If anyone ever needs help with the G.U.T., I'm always around somewhere.
Sam
Can someone please migrate the Track4 by droidman code to an IPHONE-4?
Thanks,
John
To Winkel,
I hope youre doing well... and thank you
Sorry T.C.S.
joined summer of 2013 and what is G.U.T.
Can only go back to 2008 and don't see the system.
cheers
nottophammer
nottophammer,
G.U.T - Great Universal Theory
Have a look at the topics in the sub-forum Winkel's Way
nolinks://nolinks.vlsroulette.com/index.php?board=159.0
nolinks://nolinks.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0
Thanks Stringbean
Wow, looks to much tracking, sorry if you all find it a good system but i'll give it a miss.
Your welcome, I hope you can find a profitable method that matches your needs.
Yes it has a lot of tracking activity. Unfortunately it's a loosing system too.
John
Quote from: jrhelp007 on February 05, 2014, 12:50:52 PM
Yes it has a lot of tracking activity. Unfortunately it's a losing system too.
John
Hi!
I don`t agree on that statement!
agesta
My opinion from the start was that the G.U.T was only a complicated way of betting on the "last numbers", in this case up to 17 or 18!
Although Winkel didn't agree with me at the time I note that he later posted that he had crunched the numbers and found that betting on last unhit numbers was best using the last eight.
I recently replaced the computer which died on me in 2008 and when I get my programming skates on again I'll change my "Last Twelve" to do only eight.
Hi BJB007,
The G.U.T. is not working it has been tested and played live in Land and live Casinos with no success.
Ask two cat Sam who produced videos. We had the automated program to assist with no success.
The concept sounds good. But in the Casino it loss.
John
The G.U.T. is betting on 17 or 18 unhit numbers.
Too many.