This is A GRINDING TWEAK on the "up as you win" guetting progressive line of bets for the even chances:
Betting line is this:
2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40
Rules are easy.
When you win, move to the => Right.
When you lose, back to the <= Left, with this condition.
If you lose the FIRST instance of a number, then you go back to the FIRST instance of previous number (Jump two numbers).
Like this, you reached first 6:
2 2 3 3 4 4 (6) 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40
You lost and get back to first 4:
2 2 3 3 (4) 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40
And that's it.
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The name of the Game with the Guetting Progression is: Locking Profits.
Something else I like from the guetting is it handles the Win/Loss loop nicely. It can be in a LwLwLwLwLwLwLw loop forever and you only get back 2 steps from the guetting line at most.
Kind regards,
Victor
Hi VLS found this on my Comp from the VIP time ;)
Remeber this?
(This isn´t my idea its VLS´s from the former VIP forum)
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Hello guys, I have joined the D'alembert progression with the Guetting progression and came up with this nice hybrid:
14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 (2)|2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16
<D'alembert>|<Guetting>
So you start here:
14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 (2) <- First two.
If you lose, you do D'alembert:
14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 (3) 2|2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 <- Move to the left.
If you bet 3 and win:
14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 (2) <- Move to the right.
D'alembert advantage: you get a "residual" unit on Lose/win.
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Now the other possibility. You start here:
14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 (2) <- First two.
If you win, you move to the right:
14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2|(2) 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 <- Enter the Guetting progression.
The Guetting progression is quite simple:
There are two numbers on each group ( 2 2, 3 3... they come in pairs).
- If you win you move one space to the right.
- If you lose betting the first number of a group, you go to the first number of the PREVIOUS group:
2 2 (3) 3 => (2) 2 3 3.
- If you lose betting the second number of a group, you go back one space to the first number of the SAME group:
2 2 3 (3) => 2 2 (3) 3.
Guetting advantage: You also get residual units, sometimes more than one. Resists LwLwLwLw ( Losing/Winning ) ad infinitum. You can get a winning streak and end up the serie at the second "16" thus pocketing 102 units + residual units.
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Bankroll: 104 units. Target: 50 residual units or –If lucky– 102 + residual units from completing the Guetting progression serie.
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Take care
/Worm
Hi guys,
my knowledge of the Guetting progression is bit different from what is described here.
Here as I know it:
there are 4 stages in this progression:
Stage 1: 2
Stage 2: 3 4 6
Stage 3: 8 12 16
Stage 4: 20 30 40
You start with 2 units (Stage 1).
When you win two consecutive bets you move the next unit level (e.g. bet 2 -> win -> bet 2 -> win -> bet 3 ... and so on), exactly as Victor said.
When you lose and it's NOT the FIRST instance of a unit level you bet again the same units (e.g. bet 3 -> win -> bet 3 -> lose -> bet 3 ...).
Now the difference...
When you lose and it's the FIRST instance of a unit level you move to the lower unit level of the previous stage (e.g. bet 4 -> win -> bet 4 -> win -> bet 6 -> lose -> bet 2 ...).
When you lose twice in a row you move to the lower unit level of the previous stage (e.g. bet 6 -> win -> bet 6 -> lose -> bet 6 -> lose -> bet 2 ...).
Essentially when one of these two last loss occurs you restart from 2, 3 or 8 units depending on which stage you were.
So not just
Quotego back to the FIRST instance of previous number (Jump two numbers)
but go back to the first unit of the lower stage.
I don't know which version is the original one but both of them are good, so up to you which is more suitable to your style :)
regards
LiZrD
lizard911 thats correct thanks.
LS
The Guetting progression original.
nolinks://nolinks.win-maxx.com/basics/basics03.html
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
I have not messed with this in like three years. Question for someone, just so I understand >> If I lose on the second 12, I only go back to the first 12? If I then lose again, I go back to the FIRST 8? If I win on the second 40, I obviously STAY on the 40? Also, these betting units are great until its time to convert then into actual money. I'm goona post my dollar unit bets. Can someone please look it over and make sure it matches up. It looks easy enough but I'll feel better is someone verifies. I start out with a $10 min. bet. >>>
$10 10 20 20 30 30 50 50 70 70 110 110 150 150 190 190 290 290 390 $390.
Hi Mr . J
If you win the first 10 units bet ...bet the 2nd 10 unit bet .. and move on with each winning this way .... on a win .bet next unit in the row..
if you loose you have to go back to the first unit size in the next lower stage..
example if you bet the 2nd 70 units .. bet.. and you loose .. then you have to go back to the first unit size in the next lower stage in this example you next bet would be .. the first 50 units size bet...
i hope it helped ..
cheerz
Hi Mr J,
the original sequence is
2
3 4 6
8 12 16
20 30 40
if u want to play 10 $ minimum, then u have a multiplier of 5 so u get
10
15 20 30
40 60 80
100 150 200
QuoteIf I lose on the second 12, I only go back to the first 12?
Yes, correct
QuoteIf I then lose again, I go back to the FIRST 8?
No, you should go back to the first 3, it's the same as u lose at the first 12, when one of these two losses occurs u go back to the first unit of the PREVIOUS stage (u were in stage 8 12 16, lost twice and then go back to first unit of previous stage which is 3 4 6)
QuoteIf I win on the second 40, I obviously STAY on the 40?
Yes, of course
If you check the link provided by Nathan Detroit you will find useful examples :)
regards
LiZrD
Hang on, Vic says this >>> Like this, you reached first 6:
2 2 3 3 4 4 (6) 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40
You lost and get back to first 4:
2 2 3 3 (4) 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40 <<< In my example question, if I lost on the FIRST 12, why would I not drop to the FIRST 8? Thats what Victors example did. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on May 23, 2009, 11:27:22 AM
I start out with a $10 min. bet. >>>
$10 10 20 20 30 30 50 50 70 70 110 110 150 150 190 190 290 290 390 $390.
Hello dear Kenneth
To determine the amounts to use , you make a simple multiplication on the guetting progression line:
2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40
x
$10 as BASE unit
=
$20 $20 $30 $30 $40 $40 $60 $60 $80 $80 $120 $120 $160 $160 $200 $200 $300 $300 $400 $400
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You can also use table with $10 min. bet on the outside bets with a BASE unit of $5, multiply the same guetting line:
2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40
x
$5 as BASE unit
$10 $10 $15 $15 $20 $20 $30 $30 $40 $40 $60 $60 $80 $80 $100 $100 $150 $150 $200 $200
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Both $5 and $10 guetting lines are playable on a $10 min. table.
Kind regards.
Your friend,
Victor
Quote from: Mr J on May 23, 2009, 12:33:56 PM
Hang on, Vic says this >>> Like this, you reached first 6:
2 2 3 3 4 4 (6) 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40
You lost and get back to first 4:
2 2 3 3 (4) 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40 <<< In my example question, if I lost on the FIRST 12, why would I not drop to the FIRST 8? Thats what Victors example did. Ken
This is correct Kenneth,
You are here at first 12:
2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8
(12) 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40
and lose, go back to first 8:
2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6
(8) 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40
Quote from: VLSroulette on November 28, 2008, 07:03:42 PM
If you lose the FIRST instance of a number, then you go back to the FIRST instance of previous number (Jump two numbers).
Regards,
Victor
Stupid point of mine but with this progression, we are taking advantage of winning streaks and not getting our ass kicked too bad with the losing streaks, I got it. :yahoo: Ken
(Once I like something, I keep on going ::)) Hey Victor (or anyone)..... two questions >>> Lets say we WIN on the LAST bet in our line. What do you think about starting over, from the beginning? I think that would make more sense, no? Also, if I bring a BR of $1,500, that should keep me playing for while? Thanks, Ken
Hi guys,
@Mr J
it's obvious that in this thread there are at least two different ways to apply the Guetting progression ...
The one introduced by Victor (post #1) is more aggressive while the one described by me (post #3) is more conservative, I personally prefer the conservative way, anyway it's up to you Mr J which one u like more :)
I just wanted to give u an example for an extreme case of 8 wins in a row and then 8 losses in a row, the two ways reach the same high point but at the end one will "save" more ... which one is it ? see by yourself
[table=,]
W/L,Conservative, Aggressive
W,+2,+2
W,+2,+2
W,+3,+3
W,+3,+3
W,+4,+4
W,+4,+4
W,+6,+6
W,+6,+6
L,-8,-8
L,-3,-6
L,-2,-4
L,-2,-3
L,-2,-2
L,-2,-2
L,-2,-2
L,-2,-2
Tot=,+7,+1
[/table]
just my 2 cents :)
cheers
LiZrD
I understand, thanks bud. What do you think >>> if we get a win on the LAST bet in our line, why not start over from beginning? Any thoughts? Ken
Quote from: Mr J on May 23, 2009, 02:05:13 PM
Lets say we WIN on the LAST bet in our line. What do you think about starting over, from the beginning?
I'd rather add steps until hitting the very table maximum to the point it is impossible to add any more chips. I'd use the 1-18/19-36 location to "Fake table limits" as outlined here:
If you wonder how to add steps to the guetting line, look at the point where it iterates x 10:
2 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16
20 20 30 30 40 40 As they keep the same proportion, only multipled by 10, you can obtain the next steps like:
2 2 3 3 4 4
6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40
60
60
80
80
120
120
160
160 200 200 300 300 400 400 .... and you get how it iterates.
Of course, make yourself it is wise to leave when you have money at your pockets, never to allow the "evening out" of the winning bets to get your balance back in full.
With positive progressions aiming to "win big" the moment to stop is the point where you can't physically rise the bet anymore, of course. Think like when you limit positive progressions you are limiting casino's
You wouldn't like to go off the table and then see a streak of 34 low numbers completed :cray:
NEVER LIMIT WINNINGS, LIMIT LOSSES.
Regards,
Victor
Of course, some grinders do use positive progressions to create "violent upward spikes" in the balance with the only aim to make up the needed rising for losses with casino's money, for which the moment to limit winnigs is where you made the drawdown back, and you even cut the numbers to fit last bet. i.e. you are -15 from reaching break even point, and next step of positive progression is 30, you cut it to 15, as in this case the goal is not to "break the bank", but to break even.
Victor
Thanks for the info Victor, much appreciated! Ken
Should we carry our position in this progression over to the next session or start anew?
I like Victors version of the rules but I do have another question..... Lets say we have a string of losses. Say we lost on the first 12 bet and after that, we had 5 losses in a ROW. It would look like this? (from right to left) >> 2..3..4..6..8
Ken
I nreply to your question . At the beginning of your session establish a loss limit.Even if you lose 5 times in a row and you are still ahead you might continue the session.
Don`t switch to any other system . Loss of discipline is your worst enemy.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
P.S. I do establish a loss limit of 25-30 % of the required mandatory bankroll and exit after 3 losses in a row. However ,if I have already EXCEEDED my win goal I shall terminate the session after 1 loss.
My loss stop is a bit different. I stop when every last dime is out of my pocket and I have no gas money for the car. I'm half joking and half serious. I'll be honest. My STOPS rarely have anything to do with wins or loses. Its all based on the clock. I leave/quit when I need to be somewhere. Bad way of doing it? Maybe. I made a good point over at LTW. If we get a string of loses, whats the big deal, our bets go down and down. A nice winning streak? Cool, our bets go up and up! This progression looks good on paper. Ken
This progression can work well, but a wwLwwLwwLwwL sequence will work against you.
"Honest men should not be afraid of correcting themselves."Dear friends,
I am reporting an errata in all honesty.
I got this post titled wrong, in reality what is posted here is a GRINDING TWEAK on the guetting progression betting line.
I saw the winmaxx version only recently and yes, it is the ORIGINAL guetting progression scheme.
So what was labelled here as the guetting progression was in reality a GRINDING TWEAK to the guetting line designed to surf the LwLwLwLwLwLwLw... sequence in a loop forever without lowering greatly on the line, hence I apologize, this thread should have been named "GRINDING TWEAK on The Guetting Progression" from start.
I got this guetting progression line from a patient Spanish grinder.
Some European players are really fond of these systems such as the "Ganapan" or "bread winner", From the start I knew these type of systems are a viable way to grind. These people aren't roulette multi-millionaires, these are just regular grinders who love the game and are not afraid to grind for hours. Not for millions, but for their bread and basic money; true grinders at heart and enjoying it.
These characters spend most of the whole day at the casino and love to stretch progressions.
The whole grinding scheme involving this line is to make up for 2 units at a double-dozen or double-column bet.
You make the "punctual bet" (la apuesta puntual), and if you win, go back to virtual waiting for the next of these situational bets.
So ~66% of the time you make +1
On a lose, roughly ~50% of the time you get back to break even on the next bet.
The other ~50% of the time, you start grinding with the guetting line as per the instructions of this tweak and aim to recoup and make +2 on residual units to break even.
This isn't a bad plan and makes sense to grind as long you have the patience and have somewhat useful events to wait and bet on.
These are the rules as outlined by winmaxx:
Quote from: winmaxxThe Guetting Progression is a four stage gain progression:
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After two consecutive won bets in one stage the progression moves on to the next higher unit bet in that stage.
After the loss of a bet, the Guetting Progression steps down to the first unit size in the next lower stage, therefore down to 4, 1.5 or 1, depending, in which stage the bet was lost.
This loss can occur:
1.) if immediately after two consecutive won bets the next higher bet is lost
2.) if 2 consecutive losses appear.
The guetting line values as posted here ARE correct guetting progression values, when you extrapolate what is at winmaxx with the line posted here, it matches. Using
2 as base unit, as it is the grinding scheme's target to recoup from the double-column/double-dozen bet:
1. Stage:
1 x 2 =
22 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40
2. Stage:
2 x 1.5 =
3; 2 x 2 =
4; 3 x 2 =
62 2
3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40
3. Stage:
4 x 2 =
8 ; 6 x 2 =
12; 8 x 2 =
162 2 3 3 4 4 6 6
8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 30 30 40 40
4. Stage:
10 x 2 =
20; 15 x 2 =
30; 20 x 2 =
402 2 3 3 4 4 6 6 8 8 12 12 16 16
20 20 30 30 40 40 This should clear confusion on the original guetting and this GRINDING tweak.
So I give faith of this
errata and apologize for the mislabeling. What I don't apologize for is having shared what I got with you.
In the end, this isn't a bad tweak of the guetting, this simply was not labeled right.
Regards,
Victor
Loss of discipline is your worst enemy.>>
I agree with Nathan. 'Plan the play and play the plan' is your goal. Switching boats in midstream is usually a bad idea, and its the downfall of a lot of players. 90% of your work is done outside the casino. Just like an athlete who trains for an event, he does 98% of the work in training and 2% in the actual event.
Thanks for correcting it Victor. Not a big deal buddy! :good: Ken
This works great betting the penultimate colour (or other ECs). I love it!
You start on 2 units, but the way I play is to move down to 1 unit after a loss at the 2 2 stage. After a win on 1 unit, I move back up to the 2 2 betting stage, and the guetting then continues as normal. I only bet 1 EC at a time (usually colours). A safe, easy, fun and often very profitable system for the patient player. It incorporates great money management and dispersion surfing methods that increases the bets when you're riding a succession of hits, and bets the very minimum when fighting against the dispersions = :thumbsup:
A great great way to play!
Cheers
CD
Hi Guys,
I tried testing this system, Good thing is its not making lose your entire bankroll, Just keep you in the game for long run.
Below are the test results (Tested based on H/L bets)
Test 1 : 10K spins Final Balance -412
Test 2 : 10K spins Final Balance -438
Test 3 : 10K spins Final Balance -656
Basically with this sytem, you don't broke, you cannot win as well.
Regards
Hi Allin,
What was your bet selection method on the H/L?
Cheers
CD
Hi Brother,
I played 48% advantage. I cannot test any system (for Evens)more than this advantage, otherwise thats not called testing.
Regards
can some explain me is this outside dozens bets im new to this stuff so please be gentle with me. thanks
This is an even chances (red, high etc.) betting method
What do you think about applying guetting progression on american wheel betting the same as you would on one bet etc black, but making a 2 unit bet on 1st dozen and 2 unit on 3rd dozen and going from there exactly in the same manner as in original variant ?