Hello to all that might read, and firstly thanks to Victor for giving me place to post some systems and testing that I have done against online rng. The main idea of this space is for me to post in some organised fashion the systems that I have tested or coded in rx against online rng. I have been coding and testing for several months now in an effort to see if it is possible to gain any long term profit from online rng. I must stress my main reason for doing this is my own curiousity and challenge to see if it can be done, I have no wild dreams of retiring to med on my winnings. I enjoy coding systems and testing them against collecting spins, my addiction is to coding/testing rather than gambling!
For all the members who believe that rng is totally fixed and impossible to win because of rigged software or cheating casino, you may well be right however I base tests on 2m collected rng spins. Beating these spins long term is the first challenge, testing live against the rng on comes once results are good enough.
Testing is done in 3 stages using rx , 1 test of 200k spins , if successful test 2 of 630k spins and then test 3 of 1.3m test spins.
Each variation of a system is given a different system id so I have a better way of keeping track of them all.
I'll start posting some my systems, mayy of them are very basic in principle but I am also making all the rx codes available so that people can test or modify for their own use.
If anyone has any ideas for systems then please post and I'll try to get them coded. Also open to any suggestions or comments.
Lastly I hope to keep all this friendly, have saw on many occasions when people try to share information they get flamed for their systems or ideas being no good. I am stating right from the start that Im not saying rng can be beat or making any claims on any system but this information may be useful to some.
All the best, buddy!
It's really nice to have you around here...
Good luck.
Regards,
m
nireaper
I welcome your studies!! Don't worry about the flamers. Yes, they'll come. You must strive for a higher goal and the first step is to ignore the negativity! You are right in testing, not just jumping in with your money.
In my tests today, I did very well against an RNG. I did feel it was tossing a lot of zeros my way, but maybe that was just the way it works.
We all look forward to your posts.
Sam
Hi Nireaper
I really appreciate your work on the RNG Investigations , i am looking forward to read your posts.
also if you need any help PM me , i will do the best i can ;)
cheerz , Mate
The zeros can be killers but I think sometimes we just think the casino is out to get us - on the spins I have collected there are patterns in them that if you were actually betting you would swear the casino had changed the outcome to beat you , yet Im test system on pre collected numbers .
I know I have cursed the casinos when I have lost real money thinking that the numbers appeared shouldnt have , however the more I have tested over the last few months the more I have found that those strange and rare events arent really that rare and stange after all.
ni
You are exactly right! I just did over 200 spins and no zero. Not one. My streets hit just like I planned.
Sam
Ni,
This looks like a really interesting topic.
Thanks for the under taking.I am one of those who believe that RNG's are more difficult than normal wheels so I will be watching with interest.
TSK
I think you either need a system that the RNG can't figure out or you need multiple systems that are quite different, to beat it. I believe it throws series of numbers at you designed to beat you.
My question is whether the "live dealer" is more like RNG or more like B&M.
Ron.
@ tsk - thanx for the comments , starting to realise more people have an interest in rng than I thought.
@ hoper - Im still unsure about "it throws series of numbers at you designed to beat you" , I have thought this many times when I have been playing rng and lost to events that I thought were just too unlikely. However if you test a system against any of the spin sets I use you get rare events occuring against that system and yet the rng isnt changing any numbers. Think a big part of the rng success is to do with which casino - I have noticed huge variances in different casinos rngs and the results they produce. At present Im trying to collect about 20m spins from various casinos - when done I post results and the variations between the casinos.
I'll be looking forward to see your results.
Ron.
Good....20 million spins should give an interesting insight to the RNG's.
Looking forward to your results.Thanks for your efforts,
TSK
Thanks for this thread, as i only play RNG. You might want too take a look at this thread, as i was getting a feeling the RNG was learning my bet and causing my previous systems to fail. I did this challenge to see if th RNG was learning, and i think there are enough spins done in this challenge to maybe prove otherwise.
I never recorded the exact amount of spins here, but i will calculate when i have a chance, as i know what the win amount was.
This system overall, has failed twice in +- 120 000 spins, playing over different casino's, all real money Playtech RNG.
I agree that it could be possible for the rng to learn the bets and beat the system but for me to be more confident of that I'd like to have a system that I knew was winning consistantly against pre recorded spins , if it constants beat them but lost against live play rng then I would have to agree that the rng is cheating. At the minute its just a case of working towards that winning system.
I take it by the number of spins you tested it on you had it coded in RX ? Would you consider posting system ?
Hi, Nireaper,
initial tests were in the regieon of 200 spins will live RNG unbetted spins, run through RX. The remainder of the spins were all real money live RNG play.
System is posted here, nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/6-9-12-stage-streets/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/6-9-12-stage-streets/)
and the one used in the challenge was stage 3. I tried to tame it down a bit with stage 1 & stage 2, but stop losses are more frequent. Maybe you could have some ideas for it.
Why are you wasting your time with this?
You're never going to make a long-term progression system. It's just not possible
Why oh why are you waiting to bet? I don't get that...
What you do when you "wait until red hasn't come up for 5 times" is that you just spread out your bets, but the losses are equally spread out... PROPORTIONALLY
what you will achieve is that you will win less often and lose less often... But if you compare the amounts of progressions started to the amounts of losses, you'll still be at the same relative amounts...
example:
you bet right away and start progression at 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256
For lazyness sake... let's say you have 50% chance of hitting your target... This means that you'll hit as follows:
1st: 50%
2nd: 25%
3rd: 12,5%
4th: 6,25%
5th: 3,125%
6th: 1,5625%
7th: 0,78125%
8th: 0,390625%
9th: 0,1953125%
It doesn't matter where you start... the next chance will be 50% of the chance you have WHEN you start...
Sure, a 10 times streak won't come often... and an 11 times streak will come even half as often...
HOWEVER, if you start betting at 2 instead of 1, you'll go through the same amounts of progressions, only bet half as often and losing half as often
YOU LOSE
STOP WASTING YOUR TIME
EITHER CHEAT ON A REAL WHEEL OR START COUNTING CARDS IN BLACKJACK
EVERYTHING ELSE IS A WASTE OF YOUR TIME
Maybe this was a confusing description? ??? Let me try to simplify it further... It aches me that people waste their time instead of putting it to good use! :-\
Let's compare starting the progression directly compared to starting it after waiting for 1 spin (example: "Red hasn't come up for 1 spin")
The only difference is that you will bet half as often... You'll also lose half as often...
AAargh, I don't know how to simplify this more... Maybe I'm not good at explaining.
1st: 50% <--- You start here if you don't wait and you have a 50% chance of winning
2nd: 25% <--- You start here if you DO wait and you have a 50% chance of winning (12,5% is half of 25%)
3rd: 12,5%
4th: 6,25%
5th: 3,125%
6th: 1,5625%
7th: 0,78125%
8th: 0,390625%
9th: 0,1953125%
alarian
You are totally correct. All of the math people and most of the rest of us would probably agree with you.
Still, some of us like to search for that which is deemed to be un-find-able, impossible and which flies in the face of known wisdom.
Sam
I'm just saying...
No success in 300 years equals no success likely to be made... >:D
Spending time on something that actually works ... Priceless
Life is a limited amount of time... Spend it wisely
If there is one way to beat RNG it's without progressions using more of a "win3million.com"-approach
I'm creating a brute-force simulator that will go through every possible combination of bets in search for the holy grail which I have no hope of finding..
I'm going to do this fort he community, so that people can stop wasting time on what won't pay off...
The collective knowledge suffers from such waste of time...
The collective knowledge will gain tremendously if everyone in the collective start searching in the same direction
Unified... The most sourceful way to go
Quote from: alarian on February 09, 2009, 05:25:42 AM
Maybe this was a confusing description? ??? Let me try to simplify it further... It aches me that people waste their time instead of putting it to good use! :-\
Let's compare starting the progression directly compared to starting it after waiting for 1 spin (example: "Red hasn't come up for 1 spin")
The only difference is that you will bet half as often... You'll also lose half as often...
AAargh, I don't know how to simplify this more... Maybe I'm not good at explaining.
1st: 50% <--- You start here if you don't wait and you have a 50% chance of winning
2nd: 25% <--- You start here if you DO wait and you have a 50% chance of winning (12,5% is half of 25%)
3rd: 12,5%
4th: 6,25%
5th: 3,125%
6th: 1,5625%
7th: 0,78125%
8th: 0,390625%
9th: 0,1953125%
Hi alarian
either your calculation or you solution is wrong.
In my fist bet I have 50% chance and 50% odds
In my second bet I have 75% chance and 25% odds, because the percentages add up the longer I bet.
and another:
starting at spin 1 compared with starting at spin 2 is not very senseful
pls compare:
I am betting R
I lose 20 times on R because there is always Black or Zero.
now another guy comes to the table, sees 13 black numbers on the marquee and is starting playing R as well
pls compare the chances and odds!
br
winkel
Dear chaps,Im old fashioned man,that just dont believe in all this comp.mill.spins,as a criterion,especially checking up successfullness of any system.The numbers didnt come by the rainfall,neither in its raindrops/billions/ isnt written any number/which would be natural,if it did/---but all these numbers are created by the man,himself.WHY????????? And in what purpose are those numbers computorised?????? Me dont trust .Mechanic??????----Why do you think in some of the Europian countries LOTTO/where mill.of euro is involved/is drown handly,mostly by children????????????And why real pro. roulette players only play mechanic game??????In one night there are about 370 spins--JUST IMAGINE PUTTING 10 TIMES 37 NUMBERS/wheel numbers,which is 370 mix numbers/AND PUT IT IN ONE SACK,THEN DRAW THE NUMBERS,INSTEAD OF SPINING THE WHEEL.Thats how I, old fashioned chap look on these things.After all,I THAT WAS SPINING THIS WHEEL FOR 27 yrs.--------Still alive and still winning.Good luck,Iboba
Quote from: Winkel on February 10, 2009, 01:10:04 PM
Hi alarian
either your calculation or you solution is wrong.
In my fist bet I have 50% chance and 50% odds
In my second bet I have 75% chance and 25% odds, because the percentages add up the longer I bet.
and another:
starting at spin 1 compared with starting at spin 2 is not very senseful
You don't seem to understand the issue I'm pointing out here.
Naturally, if you were to bet at a progression of 2 spins your chances of winning are the accumulated odds percentages.
The point is that it won't matter if you wait for any number of spins, your chances are still going to be the same as if you didn't wait.
If you're betting 5 times in a row following a progression, it won't matter if you start following that progression right away without viewing the history of what's come up or if you wait any number of spins and start betting.
What'll happen is that you'll wait for an unlikely event before betting... but the following event to THAT unlikely event will be proportionally less unlikely...
hi im happy to find someone who interesting about rng game im working on that as well i will aprecite and a will shared my things if u like im sure there is nice percentual to win on RNG im consistantly play more then 100 sesion with no lost whoo s work on this let me personal message for exchange couple info thanks s lot Jerry