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Hello  :)


I am going to write something out and I think if some of you look at it and study it, then maybe you will be nicely rewarded for your hard work.  You can accuse me of playing silly games but there is no such thing as a free lunch and I hope anyone who plays and wins money once they have discovered this does donate some money to a worthwile charity.

17. 2B, (THIS IS DOZEN AND COLUMN) 1C,   3C.
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28. 3A,   2C,   1B.
--
15. 2C,   1A,   2C.
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24. 2C,   2C,   1C.
--
35. 3B,   2B,   1B.
--
16. 2A,   2C.   2C.
--
In the first section going down of dozen and column, the first dozen is missing.
In the second section going down of dozen and column, the 3rd dozen is missing.
In the third section going down of dozen and column, the first column is missing.

So from the number 17 you can discount all of the 1st dozen=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12.
You can also discount from the second section all of the 3rd dozen=12,35,3,26,0,32,15,19,4,21,2,25.
you can also discount from the third section all of the A column=18,21,24,27,30,33,36,2,5,8,11,14.

Now that only leaves these numbers left to back=13,16,17,20,22,23,28,29,31,34. (10 numbers in all)

The winning number was 28. You have 36 chips.

Now from the number 28, once again you can discount all of the 1st dozen=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12.
You can also discount from the second section all of the 3rd dozen=24,16,33,1,20,14,31,9,22,18,29,7.
you can also discount from the third section all of the A column=29,32,35,1,4,7,10,13,16,19,22,25.

Now that only leaves these numbers left to back=0,15,17,21,23,26,27,28,30,34,36. (11 numbers in all)
You won 36 chips from the last bet, so now you put three each on these 11 numbers and you have 3 chips left.

The winning number was 15. You have 111 chips.

Now from the number 15, once again you can discount all of the 1st dozen=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12.
You can also discount from the second section all of the 3rd dozen=9,22,18,29,7,28,12,35,3,26,0,32.
You can also discount from the third section all of the A column=16,19,22,25,28,31,34,0,3,6,9,12.

Now that only leaves these numbers left to back=13,14,15,17,20,21,23,24,27,30,33,36. (12 numbers in all)
You have 111 chips. So now put 9 chips on these 12 numbers and you have 3 chips left.

The winning number was 24. You have 327 chips.

Now from the number 24, once again you can discount all of the 1st dozen=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12.
You can also discount from the second section all of the 3rd dozen=17,34,6,27,13,36,11,30,8,23,10,5.
You can also discount from the third section all of the A column=25,28,31,34,0,3,6,9,12,15,18,21.

Now that only leaves these numbers left to back=14,16,19,20,22,24,26,29,32,33,35. (11 numbers in all)
You have 327 chips. So now put 29 chips on these 11 numbers and you have 8 chips left.

The winning number was 35. You have 1,052 chips.

Now from the number 35, once again you can discount all of the 1st dozen=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12.
You can also discount from the second section all of the 3rd dozen=33,1,20,14,31,9,22,18,29,7,28,12.
You can also discount from the third section all of the A column=36,2,5,8,11,14,17,20,23,26,29,32.

Now that only leaves these numbers left to back=13,15,16,19,21,24,25,27,30,34,35. (11 numbers in all)
You have 1,052 chips. So now put 95 chips on these 11 numbers and you have 7 chips left.

The winning number was 16. You have 3,427 chips. (if they were £5 chips, that is a lot of money ;) )

That used to be as far as I could go using a positive progression because the table limit was £100 per number. So now if I wanted to continue I had to stick to a base unit of £100 per number. That only took me 5 steps to get there starting with £10.

**This has got me barred from one major chain of casinos in the U.K. do not take this lightly**

On this particular session I had another 2 winners and walked out of the casino that night with over £20,000.


All you need to do is work out the code for the second and third sections and if you study the appearance of the numbers it is not that difficult. To be honest I was never going to write any of this up but then again I don't owe the casinos any favours in fact I would rather see them all close down. They are greedy parasites. I have made my money from them. I hope this helps some of you.

good luck and best wishes

enrique.

p.s. If you think you have got it and want to make sure let me know at enriquemalou@ymail.com
If you don't hear back then you know you need to go back to the drawing board  ;D

Quote from: enrique malou on December 03, 2008, 07:27:24 PM


17. 2B, (THIS IS DOZEN AND COLUMN) 1C,   3C.
--
28. 3A,   2C,   1B.
--
15. 2C,   1A,   2C.
--
24. 2C,   2C,   1C.
--
35. 3B,   2B,   1B.
--
16. 2A,   2C.   2C.
--

Enrique,

Thank you for sharing. I understand and don't understand:

17. 2B, (THIS IS DOZEN AND COLUMN) 1C, (WHAT IS THIS?)    3C. (WHAT IS THIS?)
--
28. 3A, (DOZEN 3 COLUMN A)  2C, (WHAT IS THIS?)   1B. (WHAT IS THIS?)
--
15. 2C, (DOZEN 2 COLUMN C)  1A, (WHAT IS THIS?)  2C. (WHAT IS THIS?)
--
24. 2C, (DOZEN 2 COLUMN C)  2C, (WHAT IS THIS?)  1C. (WHAT IS THIS?)
--
35. 3B, (DOZEN 3 COLUMN B) 2B, (WHAT IS THIS?)   1B. (WHAT IS THIS?)
--
16. 2A, (DOZEN 2 COLUMN A) 2C. (WHAT IS THIS?)  2C. (WHAT IS THIS?)

I hope you can explain. Thank you.

Enrique

Thanks for that post!  I needed something to fold up, put in my pocket and study while the wife shops.  I've learned never to go anyplace without a study sheet and a red pen!  And sometimes my folding, three-legged stool!!

I'll be e-mailing you!

Sam

Hello  :)


JHM asked me


17. 2B, (THIS IS DOZEN AND COLUMN) 1C, (WHAT IS THIS?)    3C. (WHAT IS THIS?)
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28. 3A, (DOZEN 3 COLUMN A)  2C, (WHAT IS THIS?)   1B. (WHAT IS THIS?)
--
15. 2C, (DOZEN 2 COLUMN C)  1A, (WHAT IS THIS?)  2C. (WHAT IS THIS?)
--
24. 2C, (DOZEN 2 COLUMN C)  2C, (WHAT IS THIS?)  1C. (WHAT IS THIS?)
--
35. 3B, (DOZEN 3 COLUMN B) 2B, (WHAT IS THIS?)   1B. (WHAT IS THIS?)
--
16. 2A, (DOZEN 2 COLUMN A) 2C. (WHAT IS THIS?)  2C. (WHAT IS THIS?)

I hope you can explain. Thank you.

I tried to upload some pictures but it did not work so I uploaded them on to my website nolinks.freewebs.com/enriquemalou (nolinks://nolinks.freewebs.com/enriquemalou)

Looking at them should give you a few more clues. looking at both pictures I have set the dial at number 17 which was the starting point of the example above.

regards

enrique.

A good workman needs his tools  ;D

Thx for the pics & clues [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


Ok, time to wind up the mind..... 8)

BTW, could you pls elaborate on the quote

"This has got me barred from one major chain of casinos in the U.K."

I would be interested to know how they went about this.....

Cheers.....[smiley=beer.gif]

Hello xman1970.

I got a lovely letter from the chain of casinos who will remain unnamed.

It said more or less that after a general meeting it was decided that my business was of an uneconomical nature to the casino and that I would no longer be allowed to play as either a member or a guest.

Then no matter which town I went to, if I tried to join one of their casinos, I was refused entry.

I have found a way around it recently, just as long as I don't go to any of them where someone is likely to know me  ;)

regards

enrique

Thx for the reply..... ;)

Just our of interest, are you banned from playing at their website "live wheel" as well??

Well, you must be doing something right....


Good luck to you.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I have never tried that particular online site. If I play online I play at dublinbet. Mostly though I enjoy going to the casino.  I have a good choice of about 8 casinos all less than an hour away where I am living at the moment so I am spoilt for choice.

cheers

enrique

would Be interesting to know IF they would ban you from their website ???


Jerek said your in Dudley, I'm not far from you, am from Wolverhampton.....


Glad to see you are keeping the "Black Country" roulette beacon bright....[smiley=thumbsup.gif]

@enrique, im not sure if youve seen this but incase you havent and you still want to upload the photos on here then this link will show you how to do it   

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/inserting-images-in-your-post/msg27966/#new (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/inserting-images-in-your-post/msg27966/#new)

br,
ryan

I try my best xman. I was in the Wolverhampton casino the other day playing the airball machine. Not a bad little place really.

Thanks Ryan mate, I will take a look and try and upload the pictures on here.

Hello Ryan.

I tried following the instructions but nothing happens. At least they are at my site if people want to have a look at them.

regards

enrique

enrique,
Hello, buddy! Thank you for the topic. ;)

Alright, you've lost me here, mate...

QuoteIn the first section going down of dozen and column, the first dozen is missing.
In the second section going down of dozen and column, the 3rd dozen is missing.
In the third section going down of dozen and column, the first column is missing.

So...

These spins that you use... you first analyze these past spins and after that your bet
selection is based on the analysis that you've made before. Bets on the exact same numbers
that you already know are coming... I really don't get it! ???

Am I missing something?
(sorry if it's something very obvious)

Regards,
m

this needs to be worked out yourself misterlupo, that is the basis on which enrique has posted this for you

enrique,

Just wanted to say thank you for making this thread mate.
Will give this some thought very soon.

All the best to you,
Marven

QuoteI tried to upload some pictures but it did not work so I uploaded them on to my website

Hello Enrique, please tell me more about this as we need our website 100% fine-tuned! Which error message did you get?

Thanks and best regards!

Your friend,
Victor

Hello Mistarlupo.

I will try my best to explain. If you look at the two pictures on my website of the two wheels, you will see that they are marked.

The 0 is pointing at the 17 on wheel 1 because that was the starting number in the example above. The next number out is 28 so that is in the 3rd dozen and it is column A.
The next number out was 28. So looking around on wheel 1 at number 28 that is in the 2nd dozen and it is column C.
The 0 is pointing at the 17 on wheel 2 as well. So because the next number out is 28. looking around the wheel at number 28 that is in the 1st dozen and it is column B.

That gives me  28=3A,   2C,   1B.

On the two wheels the smaller disc in the middle revolves. So now because the new number is 28, you need to turn the smaller disc around both wheel 1 and wheel 2 so that the 0 on both wheels is now pointing at 28.
The next number is 15 so that is in the 2nd dozen and it is column C.
The next number out was 15. So looking around on wheel 1 at number 15 that is in the 1st dozen and it is column A.
The 0 is pointing at the 28 on wheel 2 as well. So because the next number out is 15. looking around the wheel at number 15 that is in the 2nd dozen and it is column C.

That gives me 15=2C,   1A,   2C.

So putting the 3 numbers together so far gives me
17=2B,   1C,   3C.

28=3A,   2C,   1B.

15=2C,   1A,   2C.

So what I am looking for is a run where a dozen or column is sleeping. Very often if you are looking at dozens or columns you will see the following.
1221122 (so the 3rd dozen is absent) and ACCCAACA (so the 2nd column is absent)
I look at the 3 groups above and wait for a dozen or column in each of them to be absent.
So looking at the first group going down, I can see that there is 2,3 and 2. So the 1st dozen is absent.
Also in the 1st group there is B,A, and C. but that is no good because there is one of each. So at least the 1st dozen is absent.  (So for betting purposes I will hope for that to continue and rule out 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 and 12 on the next spin.)
Now looking at the second group going down, I can see that there is 1,2 and 1. So the 3rd dozen is absent on wheel 1.
Also in the 2nd group there is C,C and A. So the B column is absent on wheel 1.
So now for betting purposes and hoping for that to continue, I can rule out the 3rd dozen on wheel 1 and also column B on wheel 1.
(so from the number 15 on wheel 1  *with the 0 at pointing at 15* I can leave out 9,22,18,29,7,28,12,35,3,26,0 and 32 and 4,25,6,36,8,5,33,14,22,7,35, and 0.)
Now looking at the third group going down, I can see that there is 3,1 and 2 but that is no good because there is one of each.
Also in the third group there is C,B and C. So the A column is absent on wheel 2.
So now for betting purposes and hoping for that to continue, I can rule out the A column on wheel 2.
(so from the number 15 on wheel 2  *with the 0 pointing at 15* I can leave out 16,19,22,25,28,31,34,0,3,6,9, and 12.)
So taking all these numbers out of the reckoning leaves me with just the following numbers 13,15,17,20,21,23,24,27, and 30. (that is only 9 numbers.
The next number out was

24=2C,   2C,   1C. That is a winner.

This is really complicated and will really take some getting into for anybody who wants to give it a try. First you will have to replicate the wheels, then you will have to write out the codes on them and understand them and give it all a good trial before you can take it to the casino and give it a try.
When you can play it, you will see the power of it. The absences come for long enough periods of time so you can catch a really good win. Like in my earlier example above of just 5 wins netting nearly 3,500 chips from a 10 chip start.

regards

enrique

Hello Victor.

When I tried to upload the pictures, I followed the instructions. It just never seemed to upload the pictures on the page. Maybe the size allowed was not big enough. I pressed the browse button, found my pictures, attatched them and pressed post and nothing happened.

regards

enrique.

Hello  :)

For some reason the photos of the wheels I use and a few pages dissapeared from my website but I put them back 5 minutes ago. Sorry for anyone who maybe went to look for them and could not find them.

Topman, I will be back later on with a bit more on this.

regards

enrique

Quote from: enrique malou on December 04, 2008, 12:19:27 AM
Hello Victor.

When I tried to upload the pictures, I followed the instructions. It just never seemed to upload the pictures on the page. Maybe the size allowed was not big enough. I pressed the browse button, found my pictures, attatched them and pressed post and nothing happened.

regards

enrique.

Well, here they are:

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If you wish I can attach them to your first post on this thread so the explanation is complete for those who will come next.

Regards.

Your friend,
Victor

Quote from: enrique malou on December 04, 2008, 11:08:29 AM
Hello  :)

For some reason the photos of the wheels I use and a few pages dissapeared from my website but I put them back 5 minutes ago. Sorry for anyone who maybe went to look for them and could not find them.

Topman, I will be back later on with a bit more on this.

regards

enrique

Enrique, we would be honored to host your own website at: http://vlsroulette.com/enriquemalou/

No ads at all on your pages, no link-back required, just posting your good roulette info (as you are already doing) :)

Also your own FTP user for you to upload files directly to the server and link them under your /enriquemalou/ directory too. What do you say?

Best regards.

Your friend,
Victor

hey enrique, what happens when 0 comes out??

leave the first column blank?

cheers hams

Hello  :)

I am going to attempt or at least try and attempt ;D to explain this thing. To be honest, you really need to make copies of the two wheels that I show on the photo page of my website. Without them you could never really understand this properly in my opinion. After half an hour using them along with the instructions I am going to give, it will become a piece of cake.

So assuming you have made the two wheels, the number that has just appeared at enrique's casino is 16.
Now what you have to do is point the 0 on the inner disc of both wheels at number 16 on the outer disc.
16=2A because it is the 2nd dozen and column A.

The next number is 35. 35=3B because it is the 3rd dozen and column B.

So looking at wheel 1, you will see that according the markings the number 35 is in the 2nd dozen and belongs to column A.
Looking at wheel 2, you will see that according to the markings the number 35 is in the 2nd dozen and belongs to column A.

So now you should have

16=2A,  
35=3B,   2A,   2A.

So now that you have worked that out, you have to reset the wheels. Now point both the 0's on the inner disc to the number 35 on the outer disc.


The next number is 16. 16=2A because it is the 2nd dozen and column A.

So looking at wheel 1, according to the markings you will see that the number 16 is in the 2nd dozen and belongs to column C.
Looking at wheel 2, according to the markings you will see that the number 16 belongs to the 2nd dozen and belongs to column C.

So now you should have

16=2A,
35=3B,   2A,   2A.
16=2A,   2C,   2C.

So now that you have worked that out, you have to reset the wheels. Now point both the 0's on the inner disc to the number 16 on the outer disc.

Now we have two sets of numbers and letters in each group, so we can start looking for a bet.

Now look at what is missing. In the 1st group goin down we have the 2,3 dozens. 1 is absent. In the 1st group going down we have the A,B columns. C is missing. So right away for betting purposes that knocks out the following numbers. All the 1st dozen numbers. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12. All the column C numbers. 3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36.

Now it is time to see what is missing from the 2nd group. In the 2nd group going down we have the 2 dozen. 1 and 3 is absent. (we are only looking for one absent, so we can not use this.) In the 2nd group going down we have the A,C columns. B is missing. So for betting purposes that knocks out column B in group 2.
Group 2 is related to wheel 1. So looking at wheel 1 and remembering the 0 is pointing at the last number which appeared (number 16) it is time to knock out all the column B numbers. The column B numbers are 1,31,18,28,3,32,4,25,6,36,8,5.

Now it is time to see what is missing from the 3rd group. In the 3rd group going down we have the 2 dozen. 1 and 3 is absent. (we are only looking for 1 absent, so we can not use this.) In the 3rd group going down we have the A,C columns. B is missing. So for betting purposes that knocks out column B in group 3.
Group three is related to wheel 2. So looking at wheel 2 and remembering the 0 is pointing at the last number which appeared (number 16) it is time to knock out the column B numbers. The column B numbers are 18,21,24,27,30,33,36,2,5,8,11,14.

So now you have to work out what numbers you are left with after taking all these numbers out.
You are left with. 13,15,16,17,19,20,22,23,26,28,29,34,35.
That is 13 numbers. (the average that you are left to play with is about 11) in other words roughly a 2/1 chance.

The next winning number was 20. 20=2B because it is in the 2nd dozen and column B.

So looking at wheel 1 according to the markings, you will see that 20 is in the 1st dozen and belongs to column C.

Looking at wheel 2 according to the markings, you will see that 20 is in the 1st dozen and belongs to column A.

So now you should have

16=2A,   2C,   2C.
35=3B,   2A,   2A.
16=2A,   2C,   2C.
20=2B,   1C,   1A.

After working that out remember now that the number 20 has came, you have to reset the wheels again. Now point both the 0's on the inner disc to the number 20 on the outer disc, now if you have a bet, you can start knocking out the numbers you don't need and come up with the playable ones.

That explains it pretty well. As long as you make up the wheels and study what I have written above, you will be able to work it out.

regards

enrique

Well done Topman,



31
4 - 1A , 2C, 1A
26 - 3B, 3B, 2A
16 - 2A, 2A, 3C


That is correct. You see, it is not really that hard when you get the hang of it.

regards

enrique

Hams, yes when 0 appears, just leave the first column blank.

regards

enrique

Hello Victor,

Thank you very much for uploading the photos on this page.

If you would like to host my website, that would be great as well.

regards

enrique.

Enrique

Three questions:

1.  Could you show us an example of what to do when zero comes?  Sorry, but I'm not clear on the answer you gave.

2.  For how many previous spins do you look back?  Three? Four?

3.  How would a person ever do all the calculations in time to place a bet?

Sam

Hi Enrique

Than you for sharing your system. I was wondering the same as Sam, How would a person ever do all the calculations in time to place a bet?

Look forward to hearing from you soon and thanks again.

Baz

Hello, I made a mistake in the example above that I gave  :-[

I said the final numbers to bet on were 13,15,16,17,19,20,22,23,26,28,29,34,35.
I would not have bet on the 15 because that belongs to column C in the first group and I was not supposed to bet on any of those numbers. Sorry if I confused anyone.

Sam,

Let's say we have this.

16=2A,   2C,   2C.
20=2B,   1C,   1A.
00=--,    2A,   2B.

So you have 2 choices, you can either discount the 0 and just use the previous numbers (which is what I do) or you can wait a few more spins so that you get a few more numbers in the 1st group.

As for how many previous spins do you look back?  I use a minimum of 2/3. I want to try and catch a good run early if I can.

As for doing the calculations. This would be good for RNG as well. I play it on an airball machine in the casinos I visit. they roughly give me 2 and a half minutes to work out my bet. I have a small book compiled which took me 6 months to finish. It has all the combinations that I need to place this bet on the table. I did say in the beginning post it would be hard work  :D.
It would take me ages to write out all the combos on here. I may do it on my website. The way I have presented it here is to introduce the idea and the thinking behind it. Playing it can be done in a bricks and mortar casino.

regards

enrique

Quote from: enrique malou on December 04, 2008, 03:06:38 PM
It would take me ages to write out all the combos on here.

You can still do a scan from your handwritten small book (if it's clear) and post the pics in your site mate. That way we can print it out or type it ourselves.

Whatever you choose to do, we thank you very much. :)

Your mate,
Marven

Hello  :)

I would like to share 1 other example with you all.

26=3B.
02=1B,   1A,   2A.
14=2B,   2A,   1C.
15=2C,   2B,   1A.

In the 1st group there is no 3rd dozen and no column A.

In the 2nd group there is no 3rd dozen and no column C.

In the 3rd group there is no 3rd dozen and no column B.

After working out the calculations, the only numbers I would bet on would be 2 and 15.

The next number was

02=1B,   1A,   2C.

So for a 2 chip bet, I would get back 36 chips.

When you get a bet like this and you hit a small winning run, your profits escalate rapidly. After 2 spins you can turn a 2 chip bet into over 300 chips. For me this is how to beat the casino. You are using small bets and letting repeating patterns work in your favour. It is much better in my opinion than chasing something to appear by throwing good money after bad waiting for it to come up. Nobody knows what the next number is going to be. This works for me and I hope it can work for some of you as well.

regards

enrique.

enrique

Before I spend hours making these wheels, I need to be certain of something.  Is this for continuous play or just for a short run.  A short run I can understand, but not the continuous play.  When you begin scratching through the top line of numbers and symbols and disregarding them?

I can understand how you would make the charts.  That could take almost an eternity!

Sam

Hi enrique


Great tools you invented there ;D , i made a copy of you tools and learned quick how to work it out ,
but to have a tool and know how to work with it is only the half price...

what i would like to know if we should wait a pattern that tells us that we have to bet or should we simply place bets when we have
a dozen or a column missing in each stage?

i made some tests with it and if i place bets everytime there is a dozen or  a column missing in the stages
the results are , more losing bets then winning ones

what we all know is that dozen or columns can have alot of misses ,  15 times  in a row is seen often and that is where this tool makes the most winnings because of the missing streaks  ,

so is it maybe better to focus on a missing streak from a doz/col that last about x spins before we place a bet? instead of betting
whenever one is missing?


thnx again for shareing this system and tool with us enrique , cant wait to take this baby to my casino.... but till than practice,practice...


cheerz

Hello  :)

I will answer the questions above later this evening, but one thing I will mention is that I think I have found something in all of this that I never thought of before that looks very promising indeed. Going through a lot of data I have suggests it could hold up well. It would also be easy for me to print up some charts and they could be put in a small book which could be used in the casino or used for online play.

It is basically the following.

02=1B.
28=3A,   3B,   3B.
13=2A,   2B,   2A.
11=1B,   1B,   3B.
35=3B,   2B,   2C.
10=1A,   2C,   1C.
09=1C,   1C,   3C.
17=2B,   2C,   1B.
09=1C,   2A,   3B.
30=3C,   3A,   2C.

Looking at all of them, you NEARLY never have a COMPLETE OPPOSITE of the 3 groups after the next number.
So the 3A,   3B,   3B is not followed by the complete opposite of say 1B,   1A,   2C. There is nearly always at least one repeat of one the dozens or columns from one of the 3 groups.

For example in the number 28 above which gives 3A,   3B,   3B.
The next number is 13 which gives 2A,   2B,   2A.
There is a repeat there of the column A in the first group and a repeat of the column B in the second group.

Going through all the numbers above, there is at least 1 repeat of either a dozen or column from 1 of the 3 groups.

It will take some time and hard work, but like I said I can convert all the codes from the wheel on to paper and have all the bets written down ready for placement depending on whatever the last number was.

Something for me to get my teeth into for sure.

regards

enrique

It will probably take me a few weeks to complete, it is no easy task.

Each number takes about 5 minutes to work out.

So if 0 goes to number 1, we have the following

0
1=1A,   2B,   1A.

So for a repeat in the 1st group of either a dozen or column. we need to be backing the numbers

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,910,11,12.
1,4,7,10,13,16,19,22,25,28,31,34.

For a repeat in the second group of either a dozen or column. we need to be backing the numbers

26,0,32,15,19,4,21,2,25,17,34,6.
14,22,7,35,0,19,2,34,13,30,10,16.

For a repeat in the third group of either a dozen or column. we need to be backing the numbers

2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13.
25,8,11,14,17,20,23,26,29,32,35.

The numbers we do not need are 18,24,27,33,36.

Which means we back 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,19,20,21,22,23,25,26,28,29,30,31,32,34,35.

Looking at the numbers we do not need, as an example if the 18 came up, that would give from the number 1.

18=2C,   1C,   2B.

So from number 1 to 18.

00
01=1A,   2B,   1A.
18=2C,   1C,   2B.

As you can see there is not one single repeat in any group of either a dozen or a column.
For each spin playing this you are going to gain 4 chips but the good thing is going through a fair bit of data that I have is that you will rarely see nothing repeat in any group from either a dozen or column.
This could be suitable as a good hit and run method and stop at a loss.

regards

enrique

Topman, you said

"In my opinion, we often see dozen 1-2-2-3. If we discounted all the numbers of 3rd dozen after 1-2-2, we will lose pretty soon."

Many times you will see a dozen or column absent for anything up to 15 spins. So it is not unusual to see it. That is why people lose money on progressions fairly regularly. They think something is due because it has missed out for a few spins, but a 2/1 chance can sleep for ages.

It may be if you are playing this and want to get as many bets in as you can that you just concentrate on either the dozens or the columns (1 or the other) it will not make that much difference to the total numbers you are playing.

Sam, In fairness, I think using the wheels for playing online would be o.k. but for casino play, you are needing the numbers to play ready made. I am working on that now for the method that I mentioned just up a bit from this message. The good thing with that is that you can also be playing every spin as I know some casino do not like people sitting out spins.

regards

enrique

Gang

I have been working on the mechanics of building these wheels.  There is no need for everyone to build one. IF I follow through and build it, does anyone want me to scan the parts and post them.  Then you would only have to copy them to good quality photo paper and put them together.

Sam

Sam you are truely a Prince amongst men [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


If you could do that I for one will be eternally grateful.... 8)


& of course thank you Enrique for sharing..... ;)

Sam, that would be terrific.

I've had two goes but I'm struggling to ensure that each of the 37 pockets are evenly spaced. When they are not, the results cannot be interpreted quickly as the segments do not line up accurately.

Cheers, Steve

Hi Enrique,

What if, we print out outer wheel numers twice and place one after another and print inner wheel once and then match the number. It would do the trick and It might save you from making the wheel. Am I sounding foolish?

Baz

Enrique!

Thanks for taking the time to post all the info! We really appreciate it! You said it would take a lot of time to write down all the bets. What if we each take a piece of the pie, and write down all the bets?

And Sam, I'm a graphic designer, so if you need any help, just let me know.  :)

Quote from: Ka2 on December 06, 2008, 08:05:50 AM
Thanks for taking the time to post all the info! We really appreciate it! You said it would take a lot of time to write down all the bets. What if we each take a piece of the pie, and write down all the bets?

yep , that would do it ,

i would like to help you out with that for sure , just let me know wich piece of cake i have to bake ;)


cheerz

Hello  :)

That would be really great if a few of you guys could share some of the work. It would be much appreciated.

Just as an example, here are some I have done.

0 to 1.
Bet.0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,19,20,21,22,23,25,26,28,29,30,31,32,34,35.
Leave out.18,24,27,33,36.

0 to 2.
Bet.0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,19,20,21,22,23,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,34,35,36.
Leave out.18,24,33.

0 to 3.
Bet.0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,24,27,28,29,30,31,33,34,35,36.
Leave out.17,23,25,26,32.

0 to 4. Bet.1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,34,35,36.
Leave out.0,33.

0 to 5.
Bet.0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,28,29,31,32,34,35,36.
Leave out.27,30,33.

0 to 6.
Bet.1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,21,23,24,25,27,28,30,31,32,33,36.
Leave out.0,19,20,22,26,29,34,35.

0 to 7.
Bet.1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,22,23,24,25,26,28,29,31,32,33,34,35,36.
Leave out.0,21,27,30.

0 to 8.
Bet.0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,22,23,24,25,26,28,29,31,32,34,35,36.
Leave out.21,27,30,33.

0 to 9.
Bet.1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,23,24,26,27,29,30,31,33,36.
Leave out.0,22,25,28,32,34,35.

The interesting thing there for me is that if you look at the 0 to 1, 0 to 2, 0 to 4, 0 to 5, 0 to 7, and 0 to 8.  All the missing numbers that you leave alone are all in the 3rd column.

0 to 1. leave 18,24,27,33,36.
0 to 2. leave 18,24,33.
0 to 4. leave 0,33.
0 to 5. leave 27,30,33.
0 to 7. leave 0,21,27,30.
0 to 8. leave 21,27,30,33.

It could be something or it could be nothing but it will be interesting to see if this trend continues right through all of the numbers.

On the 0 to 3. The missing numbers are 17,23,25,26,32. So 5 out of the 6 there all belong to column B apart from the 25 belonging to column A.

All interesting to a numbers anorak like me  ;)
It may come in useful for a good bet.

For sharing the workload, why not post what numbers you would like to do and that way the others know which to leave alone.

I am happy to do for now the following...

0 to
1 to
2 to
3 to
4 to
5 to
6 to

regards

enrique

Hello Topman.

To answer your question. In my humble opinion roulette is a game all about shifting patterns. It flows in and out of different dozens, columns, sectors, lines and so on...this can be good or bad for the gambler who is at the table. If he is on one of these waves and can catch a few wins then that is excellent. The downside is that if he is betting against the wave, then it has the potential to really be a disaster. Deviations can be extreme both ways. The purpose of the wheels is for me to see if I can develop systems where I can find the strongest and weakest parts on the wheels to determine my bets. If something is very strong, I can go with it hoping for it to continue. If something is weak, I can go against it hoping for that to continue. They can never tell me what number is coming up, but using the nature of the game, they can be very useful for determining where to place my chips.

Hi

this tool is getting more and more interresting the more you use it , what i try to do with it is to reverseengineer
the outcome of the spins and look if the code tells me something about it
i mean with this tool patterns get visible that helps placing bets on single numbers....
alot of work but i managed to get to something , i post later about it....

here are my numbers i work out:

7 to
8 to
9 to
10 to
11 to
12 to
13 to
14 to
15 to

cheerz

Hello Breeze88 [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Thank you for offering to help out.  Also looking forward to hearing about what you have cooked up with the wheels later.

regards

enrique

Hope this helps




Wheel 1


0 32 15 19 4 21 2 25 17 34 6 27 13 36 11 30 8 23 10 5 24 16 33 1 20 14 31 9 22 18 29 7 28 12 35 3 26
32 x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c
15 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b
19 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a
4 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c
21 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b
2 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a
25 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c
17 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b
34 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a
6 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c
27 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b
13 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a
36 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c
11 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b
30 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a
8 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c
23 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b
10 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a
5 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c
24 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b
16 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a
33 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c
1 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b
20 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a
14 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c
31 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b
9 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a
22 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c
18 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b
29 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a
7 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c
28 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b
12 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a
35 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c
3 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b
26 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a
0 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x



Wheel 2


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 0
1 x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c
2 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b
3 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a
4 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c
5 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b
6 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a
7 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c
8 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b
9 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a
10 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c
11 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b
12 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a
13 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c
14 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b
15 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a
16 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c
17 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b
18 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a
19 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c
20 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b
21 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a
22 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c
23 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b
24 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a
25 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c
26 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b
27 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a
28 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c
29 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b
30 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a
31 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c
32 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b
33 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c 1a
34 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b 1c
35 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a 1b
36 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x 1a
0 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c 3a 3b 3c x



Lookup number on top line. Go down to x spot in that column and then go left or right to the corresponding number.

Attached you can find both wheels in .pdf.


Cheers,

Rjl

I've taken the liberty of combining wheel 1 and wheel 2 into a single file. I've calculated all combinations. Just find the first number on the top row, go down to that same number in  (RED ) then move left or right until you reach your second number ( column )

Eg. 5 followed by 19 would yield 2b 2c ( go down the #5 column till you hit the RED 5, go right till you hit the #19 column

TTT

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Hi Enrique

Thanks for sharing and the effort you have gone to in getting this far.

It took me some time to fathom out the "discount from the third section" numbers but have got it now.

I just wanted to point out something that may be stating the bleedin' obvious to some. It is about your finding that the numbers being discounted, in your latest workings, were all in the third column.

When looking at the third section discounted numbers in your opening post, what I noticed was that (when looking at the table layout) the numbers discounted are all those above the hit number (in the same column), with the remainder being the immediate right neighbour of the hit number and all those below it in that column.

RJL & TTT great work on your part.

Steve

Quote from: TicTacToe on December 07, 2008, 02:56:11 AM
I've taken the liberty of combining wheel 1 and wheel 2 into a single file. I've calculated all combinations. Just find the first number on the top row, go down to that same number in  (RED ) then move left or right until you reach your second number ( column )

Eg. 5 followed by 19 would yield 2b 2c ( go down the #5 column till you hit the RED 5, go right till you hit the #19 column

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TTT

TTT,

Is your result "opposite"???

For example:
(From enrique's first post)

17. 2B, (THIS IS DOZEN AND COLUMN) 1C,   3C.
--
28. 3A,   2C,   1B.
--
15. 2C,   1A,   2C.
--
24. 2C,   2C,   1C.
--
35. 3B,   2B,   1B.
--
16. 2A,   2C.   2C.


17
28 should be 2C,1B

but with your graph the result is "1b2c".

Is it opposite from the result of enriques???

Or am I reading your graph wrongly or I understand Enrique wrongly...can someone try and test the graph.

Anyway, thanks TTT for the graph!

It is a brilliant work!!  ;)

All the best to everyone!

I will test this full time after 9th of December. Now having exam...lol...


Regards,
NoBody ^.^

Hello guys  :)

First, can I say a big thank you to Tic Tac Toe, that is brilliant work. I think that shows why this site is different from the others.  working together as a group makes us a stronger enemy against the casino.

Steve, cheers for pointing that out,I will be going back to have a look.

Nobody, In the single file Tic Tac Toe composed, for example number 2 to 5 he has 1C, 2A. That is working from wheel 2 first and then going on to wheel 1. In my postings I was working from wheel 1 and then wheel 2. Hope that helps.

The bet I am thinking could work well using the charts is a two dozen or two column bet.
For example if 0 goes to 1 and you have 1=1A,   2B,   1A. Then the missing numbers are 18,24,27,33,36.
So with them 5 all in the 3rd column, I would back the 1st and 2nd column.
One of the later ones I did was 0 to 18, there you have 2C,   3B,   2C. The missing numbers for this are 25,26,28,29. All these are in the 3rd dozen, so now you could place a bet on the 1st and 2nd dozen.
The odds have not changed but because you rarely do not see one of the dozens or columns repeating in one of the 3 groups, then you are hoping that the 4 or 5 numbers you have knocked out will give you a decent run on betting the 2 columns or 2 dozens. I hope that makes sense.  ;D

I have a few different ideas for systems using the wheels. I will post one of them in my roulette section tonight so as not to confuse things here. It is based a little bit on the LW methology.

regards

enrique

rjl, thank you very much for making some copies of the wheels. It is much appreciated. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

@Nobody

I know my chart reads Wheel 2 then Wheel 1, but it was easier for me to construct it that way. So compared to Enrique's results you get :

# W2 W1  instead of # W1 W2.

I'm sure it does not make a difference for the end result.

Maybe Enrique could let me know if it makes a difference, and if so, I'll take the time to reconstruct it.

@rjl

Your pdf of the wheels are GREAT. Really professional looking.


TTT

I can't turn my back on this forum for five minutes without someone doing something GREAT!!

I just had my wheels laminated to prevent smudges! 

Thanks Gents!!

Sam

Hello [smiley=2/santa.gif]

Sam, now we have the technology  8)

Tic Tac Toe, it does not make a difference which order the wheels are in.

I am spending some time constructing the charts.
I have finished the 0 and 1 and am now half way through the 2.  Nearly every one has 4/5 numbers missing from either a column or dozen, so a few good bet selections are looking promising.

Thanks again guys for all the help.

regards

enrique

enrique said:

"**This has got me barred from one major chain of casinos in the U.K. do not take this lightly**"

It would seem the forum is taking this lightly. 

Why no interest?

Why no tests?

Why no posts?

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 13, 2008, 03:12:40 AM
enrique said:

"**This has got me barred from one major chain of casinos in the U.K. do not take this lightly**"

It would seem the forum is taking this lightly. 

Why no interest?

Why no tests?

Why no posts?

Sam

Well Sam we dont want to get banned do we? Just kidding...
My guess is that its very complicated and that scares people away....maybe?

Have a nice weekend 8)

/Worm

Hello Guys.

Just a quick update, I am halfway through finishing the charts now. I will have completed the rest by next week. I will put them all up on the forum.

It will make it easy for anyone who wants to try this system, all you will have to do is look at the number that appeared, check the chart and it will either tell you where to bet or say no bet. It could not be simpler.

regards

enrique

Thx alot Enrique for your hard work! [smiley=3D-Smil-gros/36_4_15.gif]

/Worm

Yes ,,thank you Enrique
TSK

Looking forward to it Enrique.

metalrat

Good Grief!!

After all the work this man, rjl, and TTT have gone to, we need some testers.

Yes, let's get banned, ~.  (Does that look like a worm, or what?)

Sam

hi enrique,

i'm new here. I have alot catching up to do but will follow your thread.

kind regards

Toxic

enrique

Is this for the first part of the system--the one that got you banned?  The one where you eliminate all but 11 or 12 numbers?

Worm

Is that little guy in your avatar packaging condoms?

Sam

Yes Sam XL ones ;)

Hi Enrique,

That charts you are completing refers to the original system at the beginning of the thread or the second variation you are implementing (betting on 33 numbers) ???

I think this second one would we too difficult to use (how we put 33 chips on table if table goes fast???)
If maybe those 33 numbers we use it in splits or squares that would be more easier to manage.

Hi worm. that avatar you are using is old Alfa Street avatar´s.
Well, in rouletteforum.net I took old Chippo´s Dragon´s HEHE.

Cheers,
JLP.-

hi Enrique,

Thank you very much for sharing. I have put he time in. Made the discs, and studied as much as possible on the original posted system.

I have also tested a bit but I'm not getting great results.

I think maybe I'm not doiing it 100%

please be so kind as to check me.

Example:

numbers that was spun: 18,3

so
18 = 2C
3 = 1C, 2A, 1C   so dozen 3 is out and column B
28 = 1A, 3A, 3A  so would I now also discard column C and dozen 2?

that would leave me with

numbers 1,4,7,10?

If i do should I flatbet for 9 spins?

results:
14
23
24
24
20
31
9
17
33

I suppose dozen 2 should be still played?

then numbers are 1,4,7,10, 13,16,19,22

Now that I'm doing an example here I know I'm screwing up. lol

Please advice Enrique.

Kind regards
T

     

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 13, 2008, 02:07:13 PM
Good Grief!!

After all the work this man, rjl, and TTT have gone to, we need some testers.

Sam

Hi, I just joined this amazing forum and this is my first post.

Thankyou to Enrique and everyone else who is contributing to these very exciting developments.

Once I get a good grasp on the system I am happy to test and share results.

prosperity through sharing  ;)

Welcome to the forum onezandzeroes, enjoy your stay  ;)

Scoob

Listen, Bro!  Those are nice words you write about me, but I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer!  I don't totally understand this either.  Waiting for the charts.

Sam

Hi guys,

I think this will make it easier for some of us to understand. Please Enrique or someone else
who understands this correctly, can you explain what each part of the wheel represents:

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi220.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fdd288%2Fjazzy3007%2Flabels.jpg&hash=a819690ef9601ef798f2f316bd1c6715f16f5f35)

a = the numbers on the wheel, I get this  :)

I thought b/f = column, but if you see on the pics, 14 shows column a on the left, but
b on the right. Is this a mistake in the design or does it mean something?

What do the other letters represent?

thanks!

p.s. (it's on 16 as that's where I left off when I was playing with the examples, I don't
have  a printer at home so spinning in photoshop)

hi this is how I understand it.

Let's check one disc (the same goes for both discs)
a number is spun let's say 16

if you look on the disc (the inner numbers). Look at the 16. (c on your picture)

You will see that it falls in dozen 2, column A (Column A is col 1)

ok

Now we rotate the inside wheel so that the arrow points at 16 (outside numbers) (a on your picture)

So

16, 2A
14, 2B, 1A, 3B   (The arrow is showing at 16. 14 on the inside numbers is 2B.
                       Now with the arrow pointing at 16 look for 14 on the  outside numbers. One disc 1 u wil see 1A (1 being doz 1, A being col1) On disc 2 u will see 3B.

ok

Ok so now you should see that All 3 dozens are present so we cannot bet here.
One column is missing though which is good lolol.....me thinks. So what we are looking for is one dozen missing as well as i column missing......me thinks.....and when me thinks.......me brain hurts......

Ok this is as far as I understand it.

Cheers
Jakk

Quote from: onezandzeroes on December 15, 2008, 11:24:01 PM
Hi guys,

I think this will make it easier for some of us to understand. Please Enrique or someone else
who understands this correctly, can you explain what each part of the wheel represents:

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi220.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fdd288%2Fjazzy3007%2Flabels.jpg&hash=a819690ef9601ef798f2f316bd1c6715f16f5f35)

a = the numbers on the wheel, I get this  :)

I thought b/f = column, but if you see on the pics, 14 shows column a on the left, but
b on the right. Is this a mistake in the design or does it mean something?

What do the other letters represent?

thanks!

p.s. (it's on 16 as that's where I left off when I was playing with the examples, I don't
have  a printer at home so spinning in photoshop)

Hi onezandzeroes,

That images are not fixed. Enrique uses 4 discs for this.You have to construct the discs to understand it correctly.They are 2 to discs compose each one of the inner and outside discs.

a=  Roulette wheel numbers (single zero) - outer fixed disc

The inner disc that rotates :
b= A B C - The 3 columns of the layout table
   A - 1st.Column
   B - 2nd.Column
   C - 3rd.Column
c = 1 to 12 - Numbers of 1st. D
    13 to 24 - 2nd. Dozen
    25 to 36 - 3rd  D
Each number refers here to its position on each column.
So for example Number 1 of c sector belongs to A column (1st. column).
d= 3 dozens sector.

f, g , h = b, c, d of image ( 2 inner discs that rotates on the 2 fixed outside disc).
The inner disc is the same for both discs.

The 2nd. outside disc :
e= Secuencial distribution of numbers 1 to 36 and zero.
That is when using the chart and rotating the inner disc over the outside the ball goes for example from pocket 2 to pocket 18, that means travels 17 pockets between them.

Enrique uses the discs to eliminate in a secuencial process the numbers to not bet.From the first disk he get out 2 set of numbers and from the 2nd. disc another set, looking for certain column or dozen that have not appear for 2 or 3 spins.

So in a certain way the final numbers to bet are from what the table is throwing at the moment (the trend), not the ones that not appear in the final selective process.
I am wrong??

Cheers, :) :) ;)
JLP.-

To all,

Ok. Let's understand what is the numbers are.

There are 3 numbers.

Example:

16. 2A, --, --
30. 3C, 3A, 2B

Ok...

So, the first spin is 16.
2= 2nd Dozen (actual dozen in the roulette table layout)
A= 1st Column (actual column in the roulette table layout)

Because there are no previous spin, so the 2nd and 3rd number is --.

So, the second spin is 30.
3= Third Dozen (actual dozen in the roulette table layout)
C= Third Column (actual column in the roulette table layout)

3A is the result from the Wheel 1.
Looking at the first wheel.(on reply#77) The arrow is pointing at 16.

We are looking for 30 (at the outside disc)
30 is at 3rd Dozen of Wheel 1.
30 is also at A of Wheel 1.
So it is 3A.

2B is the result from the Wheel 2.
Looking at the 2nd wheel (on reply#77)

We are looking for 30 (at the outside disc of Wheel 2)
30 is at 2nd Dozen of Wheel 2.
30 is also at B of Wheel 2.
So it is 2B.

So, 30 = 3C, 3A, 2B

Understand???

It is not that difficult to find the figure.

In fact, at reply #53 TTT has came out with a full graph. It is much easier to find the figure with the graph. But take note that the figure is showing result of wheel 2 then wheel 1.
So, the result of 16-->30 is 2b3a.

However we are still waiting for Enrique to teach us how to use this info.

Regards,
Nobody ^.^

If I understand it--and don't hold me to this--you look for something missing from each of the three columns.  When you have something from each, you take the table layout and cross off all the numbers except the three things you have.  Say you have 1C 3B and 2A.  Mark off all those numbers from the chart and what you have left is your bet.

What I don't understand is how far back you go in the spun numbers.  Do you look at three, four, five or does it matter.  As long as the above conditions are met, you have a bet.  I would think the last three spins would be the most logical answer.  You want a "misser" in each column in the last three spins.

Just postulating; not for certain!

Sam

Enrique,

How are you doing with the chart?

Lot of us lookig forward to see it I think  :)

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 16, 2008, 02:18:04 PM
If I understand it--and don't hold me to this--you look for something missing from each of the three columns.  When you have something from each, you take the table layout and cross off all the numbers except the three things you have.  Say you have 1C 3B and 2A.  Mark off all those numbers from the chart and what you have left is your bet.

What I don't understand is how far back you go in the spun numbers.  Do you look at three, four, five or does it matter.  As long as the above conditions are met, you have a bet.  I would think the last three spins would be the most logical answer.  You want a "misser" in each column in the last three spins.

Just postulating; not for certain!

Sam

Hey Sam,
You answered it yourself.

On Post #31 Enrique says the following :

As for how many previous spins do you look back?  I use a minimum of 2/3. I want to try and catch a good run early if I can.  

Cheers,
JLP.-

JLP.-

But what would one do after a win?  Scratch off the older spins?  Maybe this would become clear once a person is doing it.

Thanks!

Sam

From each of our three colums:

1A  2B  3C........just an example.

Do we want to find only one group missing in each three.  I mean, what if 2A is missing from one column instead of just 2 or A?

I am totally unclear on the "rules" or I would be testing.

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 16, 2008, 04:57:46 PM
From each of our three colums:

1A  2B  3C........just an example.

Do we want to find only one group missing in each three.YES  I mean, what if 2A is missing from one column instead of just 2 or A?

I am totally unclear on the "rules" or I would be testing.

Sam

If we have the following example on 3 spins :

1A  2B  3C
2B  3A  3C
2C  1B  3B

In the 1st one looking vertical the 3 dozen is missing (we can use this) but the three ABC columns are present (we cannot use it).

In the second set looking vertical the 3 dozens are present (we cannot use this), but misses C in the columns(we can use it).

In the 3rd. set looking vertical we have the same dozen 3 (we cannot use this), but we have A missed in the columns (we can use this).

That is how I understand it.

Cheers,
JLP.-

JLP.-

What if we took your chart and changed it.  Me in blue.

3B   2B  3C
2B  3A  3C
2C  1B  3B

Now in the first column, you have both 1 and A missing.  My question is this:  Must you have only one item missing from a column, or may there be two?  I am defining "column" as being 1A or 2B....not 1 by itself or B by itself.

Sam

Real numbers:

[table=,]
Spun,,,Real,,,Clear,,,Red
19
33,,,3C,,,2B,,,2A
3,,,1C,,,1A,,,2A
2,,,1B,,,3C,,,1B
[/table]

From the Real column, you have 2A missing.  (Real is what 33 is on the table.)
From the Clear wheel column, you have nothing missing.
From the Red wheel column, you have 1,3 and B,C missing.

Where do we go from there?

Sam

Has anyone noticed this:

17. 2B, (THIS IS DOZEN AND COLUMN) 1C,   3C.
--
28. 3A,   2C,   1B.
--
15. 2C,   1A,   2C.
--
24. 2C,   2C,   1C.
--
35. 3B,   2B,   1B.
--
16. 2A,   2C.   2C.
--
In the first section going down of dozen and column, the first dozen is missing.
In the second section going down of dozen and column, the 3rd dozen is missing.
In the third section going down of dozen and column, the first column is missing.

So from the number 17 you can discount all of the 1st dozen=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12.
You can also discount from the second section all of the 3rd dozen=12,35,3,26,0,32,15,19,4,21,2,25.
you can also discount from the third section all of the A column=18,21,24,27,30,33,36,2,5,8,11,14.

Now that only leaves these numbers left to back=13,16,17,20,22,23,28,29,31,34. (10 numbers in all)

The winning number was 28. You have 36 chips.  END OF ENRIQUE'S POST.

Me now........

Look at the red.  Why do we care if it was 2B?  We would not use that 2B in our calculations, would we?

Look at the navy blue.  The 28 is the second number in the trot, but look at the maroon.  How could 28 have figured into the calculations and then be a winning number?

If anyone is going to take this system seriously, we need some hard-and-fast rules or at least some explanation.

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 16, 2008, 07:13:58 PM
JLP.-

What if we took your chart and changed it.  Me in blue.

3B   2B  3C
2B  3A  3C
2C  1B  3B

Now in the first column, you have both 1 and A missing.  My question is this:  Must you have only one item missing from a column, or may there be two?  I am defining "column" as being 1A or 2B....not 1 by itself or B by itself.

Sam

Hi mate,
It can be two items on a certain column, that is possible so their corresponding numbers would be discarded.

Read here on post #33 Enrique´s example :

26=3B.
02=1B,   1A,   2A.
14=2B,   2A,   1C.
15=2C,   2B,   1A.

In the 1st group there is no 3rd dozen and no column A.

In the 2nd group there is no 3rd dozen and no column C.

In the 3rd group there is no 3rd dozen and no column B.

After working out the calculations, the only numbers I would bet on would be 2 and 15.

The next number was

02=1B,   1A,   2C.

So for a 2 chip bet, I would get back 36 chips.

Cheers,
JLP.-

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 16, 2008, 07:51:32 PM
Real numbers:

[table=,]
Spun,,,Real,,,Clear,,,Red
19
33,,,3C,,,2B,,,2A
3,,,1C,,,1A,,,2A
2,,,1B,,,3C,,,1B
[/table]

From the Real column, you have 2A missing.  (Real is what 33 is on the table.)
From the Clear wheel column, you have nothing missing.
From the Red wheel column, you have 1,3 and B,C missing.

Where do we go from there?

Sam

From the Real column, you have 2A missing.  (Real is what 33 is on the table.)
So we discard all numbers from 2nd. dozen (13 to 24) and all numbers from 1st column 1 to 34 on the table layout.

From the Clear wheel column, you have nothing missing.
This we not use, so nothing is discarded.

From the Red wheel column, you have 1,3 and B,C missing.
No, you have 3 and C missing.
So we discard all this numbers from its relative position in the second disc in relation to the last number spun. That I have yet to see (haven´t constructed the 2 wheel set yet).

Cheers,
JLP.-

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 16, 2008, 08:08:53 PM
Has anyone noticed this:

17. 2B, (THIS IS DOZEN AND COLUMN) 1C,   3C.
--
28. 3A,   2C,   1B.
--
15. 2C,   1A,   2C.
--
24. 2C,   2C,   1C.
--
35. 3B,   2B,   1B.
--
16. 2A,   2C.   2C.
--
In the first section going down of dozen and column, the first dozen is missing.
In the second section going down of dozen and column, the 3rd dozen is missing.
In the third section going down of dozen and column, the first column is missing.

So from the number 17 you can discount all of the 1st dozen=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12.
You can also discount from the second section all of the 3rd dozen=12,35,3,26,0,32,15,19,4,21,2,25.
you can also discount from the third section all of the A column=18,21,24,27,30,33,36,2,5,8,11,14.

Now that only leaves these numbers left to back=13,16,17,20,22,23,28,29,31,34. (10 numbers in all)

The winning number was 28. You have 36 chips.  END OF ENRIQUE'S POST.

Me now........

Look at the red.  Why do we care if it was 2B?  We would not use that 2B in our calculations, would we?

Look at the navy blue.  The 28 is the second number in the trot, but look at the maroon.  How could 28 have figured into the calculations and then be a winning number?

If anyone is going to take this system seriously, we need some hard-and-fast rules or at least some explanation.

Sam

Hi Sam,

Yes that is true what you say, I agree.He is talking of numbers that have not spun yet.
Maybe Enrique not explain clearly the process.
But I think the 17 is not the first number from where he begins the calculations, I think this is a sequence where there are others numbers previous to 17 (so the 3 items appears in its line).

Cheers,
JLP.-

JLP.-

I made a serious mistake there, didn't I? 

Guess I better try this on paper and see if I can figure it out.  Thanks for all your explanation.

Sam

All.........

Well I took my printout to bed and studied it.  We have the "real" columns and dozens as we've always known them and then we have enrique's columns and dozens as he describes them with his wheels.  They are not the same.  I guess everyone figured that out except Sammy Slowbrain.

Sam

ok i have worked out how to find out what numbers and letters to put down after each spin i am just unsure as to what numbers to erase.

Here is an example

13 - 2A
36 - 3C 2B 1A
23 - 2B 2C 1A

From this i noticed dozen 1 was missing from first section and collum A from the second. so i was left with the following numbers 14,15,17,18,20,21,23,24,26,27,29,30,32,33,35,36

now i know this must be wrong but i just cannot figure out what numbers i remove and dont remove.

i will post the next number that came and their groups and if somebody could explain it for me that would be great

25 - 3A 1B 3C

many thanks

dj

dj

Don't hold me to this, but I think you have to have something missing from each column.  Otherwise, you have too many numbers.

Sam

Quote from: djroulette on December 17, 2008, 02:29:33 PM
ok I have worked out how to find out what numbers and letters to put down after each spin I am just unsure as to what numbers to erase.

Here is an example

13 - 2A
36 - 3C 2B 1A
23 - 2B 2C 1A

From this I noticed dozen 1 was missing from first section and collum A from the second. so I was left with the following numbers 14,15,17,18,20,21,23,24,26,27,29,30,32,33,35,36

now I know this must be wrong but I just cannot figure out what numbers I remove and dont remove.

I will post the next number that came and their groups and if somebody could explain it for me that would be great

25 - 3A 1B 3C

many thanks

dj

Hi dj,

13 - 2A
36 - 3C 2B 1A
23 - 2B 2C 1A
With this you have too many numbers - the 3rd column cannot be used, so wait for a new spin number.

13 - 2A
36 - 3C 2B 1A
23 - 2B 2C 1A
25 - 3A 1B 3C
From the 1st column the 1st D is missing (remove those numbers).
From the 2nd. column the 3rd. dozen is missing and A column is missing (remove those numbers).
From the 3rd. column the 2nd. D  and B column is missing (remove those numbers).

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
JLP.-

So if we narrow it down........

1.  All three columns must be used.
2.  A 1 (dozen) and a B (column) can both be missing from a column.
3.  The columns and dozens from the wheels are enrique's invention, not as they lay on the table.
4.  You have a bet as soon as at least one item is missing from a column.
5.  You better be a quick mother goose!

Sam

Anyone home?

I've been studying this for the past few hours.  I've come to the conclusion no human could do these calculations in time to get down a bet.  Except for the "real" columns and dozens as they lay on the felt, each dozen/column of enrique's is different.  The "A" column depends on which number was last hit and so does the "3" dozen.  By the time you figured it all out, you'd be six spins behind.

I must be missing something.

Sam

Anyone left alive?

This is what I understand you would have to do using enrique's example

17
28

You use the wheels to determine the "Red" and "clear" columns and dozens by name only not number.  Then, with the red wheel set on 17, you look for the numbers of the enrique dozen by looking at the "3rd Dozen" in the middle of the little wheel and looking outward.  It starts at 12 and goes to 25.  That gets you your "enrique third dozen". 

To get your "enrique A column, you use the clear wheel with the arrow on 17.  Now the A sections on the outer edge of the inner wheel will give you the "enrique A" numbers.

Sam

tcs,

i have sent you a pm

enrique calls the following a section:

1A
2A
3C
2B

In the future I will refrain from calling it a "column" and begin calling it a "section".

Since enrique is not posting on this thread, I assume he wants us to do some brain work ourselves.

Sam

[table=,]
Number,Real Dozen,Real Column,Enrique Red Dozen,Enrique Red Column,Enrique Clear Dozen, Enrique Clear Column
17,2,B,1,C,3,C
28,3,A,2,C,1,B
[/table]

It seems to me the elimination process could go into the millions of permutations.  I don't see how it's possible.

I must be missing something.

Sam

Another rule I found:

1.  All three columns must be used.
2.  A 1 (dozen) and a B (column) can both be missing from a column.
3.  The columns and dozens from the wheels are enrique's invention, not as they lay on the table.
4.  You have a bet as soon as at least one item is missing from a column.
5.  You cannot have two misses from the same column or dozen.  You can have 1,2 but not 2,2,2.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 17, 2008, 06:25:41 PM
Anyone home?

I've been studying this for the past few hours.  I've come to the conclusion no human could do these calculations in time to get down a bet.  Except for the "real" columns and dozens as they lay on the felt, each dozen/column of enrique's is different.  The "A" column depends on which number was last hit and so does the "3" dozen.  By the time you figured it all out, you'd be six spins behind.

I must be missing something.

Sam

Isn't that what Enrique is working on, doing all the calculations in advance so you can just flip through a pocket book for each one, ex: 14 to 30, 8 to 19 etc. ?

This is definitely a mind-boggler but if we keep on working on it, new neuro pathways will be formed in the forest of our brains ;)

Even if we can consistently narrow down the field of possibilities to some degree it will be a big winner.

onez

I suppose it is.  I don't see how any human in one lifetime could do it.  I can only see it being programmed into a computer.

Sam

Here's the way I calculate it.

In each group there are fifteen different eliminations.

1
2
3

A
B
C

1A
1B
1C

2A
2B
2C

3A
3B
3C

Now take 15x15x15 and the equals a whopping....3,375.  That is how many different ways you would eliminate numbers.  Does anyone agree/disagree?

Would some math person look at this?

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 18, 2008, 01:51:04 AM
  Does anyone agree/disagree?

Would some math person look at this?

Sam

hahahahahaha, hey Sam, Herb seems to be on holiday, but I'm sure Ryan will disagree! .....you know the darkside and all.....and Darth Vader..

Jakk

I am not good at figuring permutations.  But if I'm right, one would have to flip through over 3000 charts to find the right one.

Sam

where the hell is ryan and nobody?they always wanted to learn from enrique

Ryan went to the darkside I think....to Herb that is :D

Dear All,

Sorry, been busy lately. Starting my first contract job..lol...

Ok..

The way I understand Enrique's method...

Enrique has different method to look at how the "trend" of the numbers are going...

I've read a few of his post and found out that he has unique ways to "code" every number...

Sort of like Lw...but different...more complex and in detail...

So back to this "consistent bet" method...

After getting the 3 groups of result using both wheel, we can analyse the "trend".

We can know which is "missing"... and which is "repeating"...

If it is very obvious that certain group is "missing", keep on betting that it will remain missing.

If the "result" show that the group always has a "repeat" in the result, bet for the group to repeat.

Ok now...

As for how we are able to "calculate and get" the bets in time to bet, we need to do some "homework", like what Enrique is doing now.

That is to calculate "in advance" what bets to bet if the "trend" is missing or remaining...

It is a very very very tedious work.

To be honest, most of Enrique's method that I have read shows on how to "spot" the "trend", but little info on how to "manupulate" each trend.

It is difficult to come out with strict "rules" on when to ride the "trend/waves" because the trend may change or maintain...

I too have lots of question to ask Enrique on how he plays and ride the waves...

I believe "human decision" is needed in his technique.

Anyway, this is just what I understand and think of Enrique's method.

Just to share out.

I am willing to learn more, but more info is needed from Enrique.

Hope to hear from him soon.

All the best!

Regards,
Nobody ^.^

Hi,

I think the only way to use this method is with a lot of practice or training with it (the problem of laying the bets in time).
Other way is if someone can code it in a xls file maybe or in a software program.
TTT have already posts a table with the relation between 2 set of numbers.
Where is bjb???

Cheers,
JLP.-

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 18, 2008, 01:51:04 AM
Here's the way I calculate it.

In each group there are fifteen different eliminations.

1
2
3

A
B
C

1A
1B
1C

2A
2B
2C

3A
3B
3C

Now take 15x15x15 and the equals a whopping....3,375.  That is how many different ways you would eliminate numbers.  Does anyone agree/disagree?

Would some math person look at this?

Sam

JLP.-

Do you concur with my math above?  If so, before some soul could enter all these numbers into a spreadsheet, someone must first ferret them out one at a time. 

Sam

Hi Sam, This may not be a workable solution and it is just an outside the box thought here :-), Instead of making copious notes of the numbers to take away from the 37 numbers available, why not just show the numbers to bet on. Then after each new spin result each number to bet on would need to show the last 3 times otherwise skip it. This may be a dumb idea but who knows?? Certainly be easier to program up in excel (less numbers maybe)

Cheers Sedge

Hey Sedge......

I certainly don't pretend to understand the system, but I think you must cross off all the "dead" numbers to get to the "live" ones.  Enrique will explain when the time is right, I'm sure.

Sam

Sam, It was just that I was thinking as we need the codes i.e. 1a, 2b 3c etc. to establish the no shows(missing) numbers.

Given that there are more missing or to be crossed off than there will be numbers to play it might have been easier to set up some spreadsheet style of identification of the ones to play rather than the ones not.

It will sure take some large calculations to get the result either way.

Cheers

I'm sure this system works well, but I'm missing something important.

Enrique, would you be that kind and make a comment to my session.
What did I do wrong?

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Thank you very much in advance!

Hello Trylobit.

I have not spent much time on this thread over the last few weeks because I have mostly spent my time working on a method which is simpler to operate in the casino. I will go over your testing tomorrow and tell you what I would have bet and when.

regards

enrique

Thanks a lot! I'm looking forward to you your comment!
br.
tryl.

Well this has been dead for quite some time... :)

Anyway I made a small program to in order to find easily the numbers to bet, and I did some testing to check this out. Well the results were pretty dissapointing. I never even got more than 2 hits in a row. Maybe playing very short sessions (around 10 spins) you can make some profit (if you are lucky). But usually it was a loser...

Unless of course Enrique you play this diferently than explained...

My Best Regards

i charted 2 cds by marker the way Enrique did and tried to use it the way he explained it didn't work for me, maybe i did something wrong, i don't know. maybe should try again.