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Title: Question for GPM
Post by: pighead on December 03, 2008, 10:05:58 PM
Hi Kimo,

Quick questions for your GPM:

what is the reason that you split the pie into six slices ?

why did not you include 0 in 4 an 7?

also, how to predict the pattern of the next spin, nuke, hem I,II or etc

looking forward to talking to you..

cheers
PH
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: aleister on December 04, 2008, 01:27:06 PM
I think you have too look for patterns.Like observe for 20 spins and then make your move.Honestly I think kimo li`s system is only based on dealer signature which is a fallacy.Nothing more. Honestly, I wished it there was more,but there isn`t.
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: pighead on December 04, 2008, 04:21:45 PM
I think you have too look for patterns.Like observe for 20 spins and then make your move.Honestly I think kimo li`s system is only based on dealer signature which is a fallacy.Nothing more. Honestly, I wished it there was more,but there isn`t.

Aleister, is there any reason that you believe dealer signature is a fallacy approach?
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: Shorty on December 04, 2008, 10:41:07 PM
You only think it's a fallacy because you don't know enough about it.
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: aleister on December 04, 2008, 11:25:36 PM
That`s not the point. We are talking about kimo li`s "teachings". What I understand is this: you memorize the numbers of the wheel in order to bet quickly should you spot "a pattern".
@shorty..cut it buddy..I have spent MANY hours studying it. The conclusion was: it was all in my head..I wanted to see patterns. If you knew a little about how the mind works (I`m a psychology teacher), you`d know that the mind is trained to see patterns,to find a logic,a beginning and end, it is trained to try to transform what it cannot understand into something familiar.
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: Shorty on December 04, 2008, 11:46:48 PM
Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. I play dealer signature whenever I play roulette seriously, and yes it works. More than 50% of the time I hit on the first spin, with a 5 number sector. I'm sure you think Visual Ballistics and Bias tables are all fallacies too. [smiley=grin.gif]
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: VLSroulette on December 05, 2008, 12:25:22 AM
Personally I believe in roulette it can be both.

For those betting hardcore probability the dealer has absolutely no influence on the game, for those already using dealer signature to win, then it is as real as the law of series of probabilities.

Remember guys, what we need is healthy debate on both points and let the readers be the judges! :)

Best regards,
Victor
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: pighead on December 05, 2008, 03:58:36 AM
That`s not the point. We are talking about kimo li`s "teachings". What I understand is this: you memorize the numbers of the wheel in order to bet quickly should you spot "a pattern".
@shorty..cut it buddy..I have spent MANY hours studying it. The conclusion was: it was all in my head..I wanted to see patterns. If you knew a little about how the mind works (I`m a psychology teacher), you`d know that the mind is trained to see patterns,to find a logic,a beginning and end, it is trained to try to transform what it cannot understand into something familiar.
hey Aleister

really want to know how  your mind transform---Kimo's theory --> dealer signature-->fallacy;  ??? ???
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: aleister on December 05, 2008, 10:27:53 AM
I realized dealer`s signature is a fallacy when I studied really carefully. That`s a story unto it`s own.
From what I understand,Kimo Li`s book is about dealer`s signature therefore Kimo Li`s "teachings" are a fallacy. The spin of the ball creates many geometric shapes not just,star shape or nuke shape or whatever he says. Don`t forget,one of the wisest men in history namely Pythagoras who made such great discoveries and even said that life is governed by numbers and that numerology and astronomy can predict events,who says that the motion of the atom is the same as the motion of the stars or the events in one`s life FELL  on his back when he learned that his precious numbers are minuscule to the reality of numbers. He thought only natural numbers exist from 0 to infinite. But natural numbers are infinite smaller than REAL numbers. So,go figure. Even one of the wisest man on earth was delusional.
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: pighead on December 05, 2008, 11:23:44 AM
I realized dealer`s signature is a fallacy when I studied really carefully. That`s a story unto it`s own.
From what I understand,Kimo Li`s book is about dealer`s signature therefore Kimo Li`s "teachings" are a fallacy. The spin of the ball creates many geometric shapes not just,star shape or nuke shape or whatever he says. Don`t forget,one of the wisest men in history namely Pythagoras who made such great discoveries and even said that life is governed by numbers and that numerology and astronomy can predict events,who says that the motion of the atom is the same as the motion of the stars or the events in one`s life FELL  on his back when he learned that his precious numbers are minuscule to the reality of numbers. He thought only natural numbers exist from 0 to infinite. But natural numbers are infinite smaller than REAL numbers. So,go figure. Even one of the wisest man on earth was delusional.

I have problem with betting probability as I have seen more 20 spins of red and 3rd dozen in real roulette.  Those were the evens that actually ruin my bankroll..the reason was I believe the law of average, what is the probability of 20 consecutive  spins of 3rd dozen??.
 
Everything happened for a reason. you believe that realized dealer`s signature is a fallacy. But Study is not enough to prove anything except real experience. Share your story, dude..
 

 
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 05, 2008, 11:34:28 AM
All.......

I feel aleister is right about one thing.

There was a time when the Church preached that tiny angels were pushing the stars around.  The stars moved--so they thought--so there had to be a cause.  It had to be tiny angels.  This is man creating a reason when he does not know the true reason.

I don't know anything yet and may never, but I feel the weird movements of the ball are attributed to the dealer because we simply don't know why the numbers come as they do.  With my own eyes I've seen "hot" numbers survive a dealer change and stay hot.  I've see one dealer throw sectors and another come along and throw exactly the same ones, or even complete the one already started.

When you play the G.U.T as much as I do, you have lots of time to watch the wheel.

Sam
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: pighead on December 05, 2008, 12:08:54 PM
I believe the challenge for betting on the  dealer`s signature is the change of it's signature

so many things could affect the movement and the landing of the ball: the rate of spin of the wheel, the rate of deceleration of the wheel, the speed of the ball at the start of the drop, the starting number at the beginning of the spin and etc.

one problem with Kimo's method is that there are too many patterns and the pattern will change frequently..

my comment is to reduce the number of slices, which make a pattern more predictable and also bigger chance to win..
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: RoulettePlayer on December 05, 2008, 10:11:33 PM
PH quote "one problem with Kimo's method is that there are too many patterns..."
I believe that Kimo addresses this in his book.  I'm not quoting him, but using my memory of what I read - he wrote that no one has master all the GPM's (I think he excluded himself), but you need to develop your own niche. 

Some food for thought (or not) for the disbelievers of dealer signature -
Does it really matter if the ball is landing in, for say, bow ties due to the croups signature, luck, or "just because"?   If you're able to find a trend either with the wheel or perhaps the table layout, play it and win.  RP
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: hoper35 on December 06, 2008, 02:44:40 AM
Maybe sometimes it is more of a "wheel" signature than a "dealer" signature?

- or even a room signature? 

One of my trips to my favourite casino, I watched a guy rush up to my table and put some chips down on a single number and win.  Someone asked him why he did that and he pointed down at the other two wheels in the same row.  They had just turned up the same number.



Ron.

Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: aleister on December 06, 2008, 03:46:34 PM
Hmm..wheel signature..even if it`s in the fairies realm,it could be more feasible than dealer signature.
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 06, 2008, 07:08:38 PM
"Numbers do strange things.  If they didn't, they'd do even stranger things.".......A TwoCat axiom!

Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: alarian on February 09, 2009, 04:57:48 AM
Keep it out of the hokus pokus and focus on actual things.
Everything that can be ruled out as Coincidence is most usually coincidence.
Try to keep things as down to earth as possible, discard far fetched crap.

Work as a Croupier for a while and then try and discuss Dealer's Signature.
It's easily possible (as a Croupier) to correctly estimate the section your spin is going to hit.
AFTER the bets are placed... AFTER the ball has spun for a little while and I haven't met anyone who could steer it into the right sections...

However, with this in mind. If you do find a Croupier who's not really motivated at his job and just sits there waiting the day out spinning the ball at routine, you might... just MIGHT have an increased chance of odds... But there are more to section prediction than just dealer signature, and you need to know when to focus on what...

Dealer Signature is the least probable advantage... You won't gain from it often, but when you do, the return is good... It's worth knowing even if it'll just help you one time of every 100 dealers you come up against...
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: alarian on February 11, 2009, 12:19:41 PM
Why is it some individuals are able to predict the next number while standing near a live table and not betting?

GPM provides the exercise for the subconscious mind.

Dealer signature is a bi-product of the GPM philosophy.  Studying roulette movement in a "labeled" manner, brings structure to the conscience mind.

Kimo Li
I've been looking into precognitions in roulette quite alot and it's possible due to the fact of the physics being the way it is.
Your subconcious draws conclusions according to the speed of the wheel, the strength of the croupier's spin e.t.c...
Even before the spin has been initiated, your subconcious will calculate the most probable outcome according to your experience.
Since you have full visibility of the wheel and can hear what's happening clearly, your subconcious will be able to and inavoidably WILL draw conclusions.
The more relaxed you are and the better you get at putting your brain in "alpha wave function" (a good way is to close your eyes and tilt your head back as if looking up) more "brain-resources" will be available to your subconcious.
The rest is all learning to listen, trust and rely on your intuition.

A common example which I'm sure ANY esteemed roulette player has experienced is that when you start winning and your confidense rises it just feels like you keep and keep on winning.. The same is when you hit a losing streak, your subconcious will have less available resources due to the anxiety level and you'll keep on losing, trying to use concious decisions to predict the possible outcome.
If you feel unsure about your desicion, you shouldn't do it... Learn how to avoid being scared and get confident. This is the key to success.

This is alot less common in let's say cointossing since it's hard for even the subconcious to register whether the coin gets tossed from heads or tails e.t.c... You do not have the same options of visibility and your other senses will also have a hard time distinguising between advantage info and not.
Coin tossing therefore makes it harder for the subconcious to calculate the outcome without extensive and rigorous experience.


NOW... Global Pie Method (or any method for that matter) is in my opinion a way to conciously expand your subconcious to focus on what matters in the situation of an upcoming spin. In a similar matter of opinion, I've decided that GPM is the best way to commit to this training.


For all of you who knows me (which are none of you) you should know that what I'm talking about is not any magic but infact just a state of fact and how the mind works. It's got nothing to do with psychic abilities and everything to do with experience at a relaxed state of mind.

Also know that experience from Live Roulette ONLINE differs from Live Roulette at the table... The settings are different and you'll gain SOME experience valuable for both in either case, but remember to differ between these.

If you happen to be great at predicting number within a small sector at the table, you should widen your sector until you get the same experience online and vice versa.

I will not comment on precog. abilities when it comes to Random Number Generators since it (in my opinion) would seem impossible even for the vast resources of the subconcious mind to calculate and (in my opinion) therefore falls under psychic abilities which I do NOT believe in. Psychic ability is an illusion derived from the resources of the concious mind.
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: eduard25 on April 05, 2009, 04:15:13 PM
hy kimo!
i bought your book,the european roulette book,but......i still don t know how to predict the exact roulette number!!!!
can u give me more clues?or can u expain......?
Title: Re: Question for GPM
Post by: KevinNash on April 06, 2009, 08:34:41 PM
hy kimo!
I bought your book,the european roulette book,but......I still don t know how to predict the exact roulette number!!!!
can u give me more clues?or can u expain......?


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