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Title: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 04, 2009, 01:05:01 AM
Lanky suggested that I begin to post some of my results using Ronjo's Group of 3 method.  Before I do, let me preface this by saying my belief is that eventually all systems will fail somewhere.  That's the reality of it, so you gotta just accept it.   But, I also believe that the VB and bias strategies don't succeed everywhere. And, that's the reality of that also, so you gotta just accept it.  I firmly believe that true long term success is in learning it all and applying it to any given visit to the casino.  No question, if you are serious, that's what you've got to do.  Patience with yourself is the key.  Let me say that again ... patience with yourself is the key.

I have run Ronjo's 3 Group strategy 3 different ways.  All taught by Lanky. The guy has done an amazing job teaching me.  I can't thank him enough.  All 3 ways work and work exceptionally well, provided you have goals and stick with them each session.  It doesn't make sense to run it into the ground to see when it might lose.

Now, in the past 4 weeks in my preparation for real play at a casino, I personally ran the 3 variations of Ronjo's groups on over 10,000 spins.  I would not consider my testing to be scientific by any stretch.  I took the spins from 3 sources: (1) Spielbank Weisbaden, (2) Auto Roulette on DublinBet, and (3) Platinum Play software online.  I also took 500 spins from the airball machine at the Mohegan Sun, which has been previously posted.  I used the same numbers with all 3 variations to determine which worked best, and it turned out it didn't matter which one I used, they all provided the results desired.

The most units I was down at any given point was 2236, but it always recovered bringing me back to even and then a win.  For the testing I didn't care about the number of units, I was more concerned with the concept of recovery and if I got into trouble how much my bank would have to be and how long would it take to recover.  Basically, I could have been down the 2000 units and made a recovery with about 200 spins.  The 200 spins includes the number of spins that got me down to the 2000 loss.  And, this only happened once.  The majority of the losses were in the less than 100 unit range, then recovered quickly.  At no time did it provide me with an unrecoverable situation, either by time or bank.  My goal is to make 2% of a bank of $5K per session.

So, yesterday, I used one of the variations of the 3 groups and got up to 70 units ($1 units) and took off.  There were no losses.  Took me about 20 minutes.

Today it was so crowded I could not sit and play, but because of the 18 previous spins at one of the tables, I used a different variation with higher stakes and quickly won 4 units ($25 units) and left after about 10 minutes.  Again, no losses.

I'm am planning on visiting often and I will be glad post my findings here should anyone be interested.

Unquestionably success lies within each of us, individually.  I am hoping 2009 will provide me with that long term success using a more sound and calm personal approach.
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: kompressor on January 04, 2009, 01:30:53 AM
do you stick to the progression all the way (last 3 divide by 2) or there's a moment that the recovery is impossible so you start over ??

why you go from 1$ to 25$ units ??
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 04, 2009, 02:33:30 AM
For the testing I stayed with the normal progression.  I wanted to see when I could expect it to fail, but it didn't.  I'm sure it will at some point.

As for the $1 to $25 units, it's all a personal decision.  The casino was so crowded and smoke so bad I knew I was not going to be staying, so I decided for either quick hits or if it lost, I would have waited for a seat and played with smaller units for the recovery.

The thing I like the most about this 3 group strategy is that there are many, many variations you can employ.

I am also learning some VB and bias strategies, which seems to fall in line with some of the groups you can set up using sectors on the wheel.  I'm thinking combining the two may make sense.

Thanks for your note.  Hope that helps.
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Lanky on January 04, 2009, 07:47:55 AM
Wally.

Good Posts Mate.

It Gives the whole Forum a lift when there is a winner from a Member of ours over the Casino.

Well done mate.

Good job Cobber You adapted to the conditions available to You at The time and came out a Winner.

Lanky.

Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Ronjo on January 08, 2009, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Wally Gator on January 04, 2009, 02:33:30 AM
The thing I like the most about this 3 group strategy is that there are many, many variations you can employ.

I am also learning some VB and bias strategies, which seems to fall in line with some of the groups you can set up using sectors on the wheel. &nbsp;I'm thinking combining the two may make sense.

Thanks for your note. &nbsp;Hope that helps.

Hi Wally,
Its great that you are using a deciplined way of playing the three groups,I will help you along with a three group of 12# sections on the wheel,copy a few copies of the diagram below and send me three spins from a real wheel that you have played in the casino and I will guide you along and we can run your records through,and treat it like a trip to the casino together,anybody else is welcome to come along as well.

Regards,
Ronjo.

(nolinks://img338.imageshack.us/img338/33/12sections2ix8.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)

Wally here is the 00 version for you,as you can see the layout is identical to the single 0, the only difference is there is another pocket for the casinos advantage.I dont look at the numbers as numbers but a section on the wheel, its not about numbers,its about predicting where the ball will land.

(nolinks://img379.imageshack.us/img379/5229/12sections3wj5.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)

Lets play both wheels if someone can suggest who should supply the spins to make this interesting as we go along.

Regards,
Ronjo.


Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 08, 2009, 12:19:26 PM
Ronjo,

Thanks very kindly.  No question your strategy provides for consistent play.

I would love to do this with you, but it appears your graphic is based on the single 0 wheel.  I can only play double 00 wheels, as I'm in the US.  Do you have the graphic for that?

Lanky showed me how to use sectors using 13 number groups on the 00 wheel.  Obviously this does not provide for the same play as with a single 0 wheel.

Your thoughts, please.
(p.s. there is one single 0 wheel that I know of where I play, but the minimum bet anywhere on the table is $50 bucks .... right now too steep for my bank)

Best, Wally
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: TwoCatSam on January 08, 2009, 12:37:30 PM
Wally

Had no idea you were a fellow American.  Or are you an expatriate?  Anyway, have you considered opening an account at Bella Vegas?  I truly think they are good and they have a fifty-cent minimum per number.

Now, here's the interesting thing.  You can't see the real wheel unless you deposit, but you can deposit only $20 and you don't have to bet.  You can just monitor the results.

I would very much like to see Ronjo's explanation and I would be happy to supply numbers from two years ago from a real wheel.

Sam
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 08, 2009, 12:49:39 PM
Sam,

I'm US born and bred.  But, have lived all over the world .... 10 years in Europe (Germany and Italy).  Liked playing there.

Please look for a PM I sent you about Bella Vegas.

And, Ronjo was just in a chat with me and said he would post a graphic for the 00 wheel and we can go from there.  I'm very excited about that.

Best, Wally
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Mogwai on January 08, 2009, 02:50:17 PM
A big hello to everybody and especially Ronjo  [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]

I have been following this forum for quite a while without registering, trying out various systems people post. Lately I studied Ronjo's section and especially the 3 group play with Lanky's and Wally's suggestions, I have not paid much attention to Ronjo's section posts previously  :-[

I have been testing the last days several sessions using Spielbank numbers, I picked a specific table and I play the numbers recorded there (I think they are from 2005) like I would go there and play everyday one session.

The 3 Groups Method of Ronjo seems to be doing very well, up to now I have tested 42 sessions (6 weeks worth of playing that is) and it seems to win about 7 out of 10 sessions, bringing me up to about 1500 units in profit. I think this has worked better than anything else I have tried testing on this forum, and I think it really can provide some profit in combination with discipline when playing.

I play the due group for 4 spins and if that fails, I change to the dominant group like described...The only variation I use sometimes is when I get something like this:

G3
G3
G2 here G1 is due
G3 bet 1 lost
G3 bet 2 lost
G3 bet 3 lost
G2 bet 4 lost

So I have to change in the dominant group that is G3, but many time I try out playing G2 as it seems to "awake" too, as G3 has hit a lot in the last spins. I have noticed this works good on several occasions, not always of course  ;)

I think a divisor plan like the one Lanky has described in the forum could be very helpful too, but I have not elaborated on this yet (need to understand it better) and how to apply it.

I would like to thank Ronjo for giving us this method and I am looking forward to reading anything more he will post.

Since a 00 wheel will be used I hope these stuff can be also be applied to single 0 wheels...

My Best Regards  :)
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: TwoCatSam on January 08, 2009, 05:23:07 PM
Welcome, Mogwai

Your name sounds like something out of Kipling!

Sam
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Ronjo on January 08, 2009, 06:47:00 PM
Hi Mogwai,

Welcome glad to help,Lanky and myself used this method in a challenge on the "RR' forum and kicked some serious butt with the 3 group system,we made a tidy profit.

Regards,
Ronjo.
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Mogwai on January 08, 2009, 08:03:35 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 08, 2009, 05:23:07 PM
Welcome, Mogwai

Your name sounds like something out of Kipling!

Sam

Thanks TCS

Gizmo you see in my avatar from the movie Gremlins is a Mogwai. It is also the name of a band I like.
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Mogwai on January 08, 2009, 08:05:07 PM
Quote from: Ronjo on January 08, 2009, 06:47:00 PM
Hi Mogwai,

Welcome glad to help,Lanky and myself used this method in a challenge on the "RR' forum and kicked some serious butt with the 3 group system,we made a tidy profit.

Regards,
Ronjo.

Thank you Ronjo, I am waiting eagerly to read more about the way the 3 Groups can be used!
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 08, 2009, 08:24:05 PM
Ronjo,

Thanks so much.  I would love to provide the spins for the 00 wheel.  I've got about 4,500 current (within the last 90 days) spins from an airball machine at a US casino.

How many do you want at a time?  I am assuming this is not some kind of a challenge, but rather how you would have played these particular numbers, as they are real numbers from a real wheel at a real casino.  We're using this in an educational format.  Is that correct?

Here are the 1st 36 spins:

7
17
10
29
29
8
00
35
8
7
21
26
12
14
27
36
0
36
14
2
8
33
10
8
12
17
19
0
19
8
7
16
17
28
0
32
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 08, 2009, 08:37:12 PM
Mogwai,

As per the highlighted text it appears that it failed 3 times for you.  Can you please tell me how far you went in the progressions?  Thanks, Wally

Quote from: Mogwai on January 08, 2009, 02:50:17 PM
The 3 Groups Method of Ronjo seems to be doing very well, up to now I have tested 42 sessions (6 weeks worth of playing that is) and it seems to win about 7 out of 10 sessions, bringing me up to about 1500 units in profit. I think this has worked better than anything else I have tried testing on this forum, and I think it really can provide some profit in combination with discipline when playing.
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Ronjo on January 09, 2009, 02:33:27 AM
Quote from: Wally Gator on January 08, 2009, 08:24:05 PM
Ronjo,

How many do you want at a time?  I am assuming this is not some kind of a challenge, but rather how you would have played these particular numbers, as they are real numbers from a real wheel at a real casino.  We're using this in an educational format.  Is that correct?


Hi Wally,
Yes that is correct,this is not a challenge but an illustration of how to use this method only,I will go step by step with you on when to lay a bet,and if you can put some constructive critism in as well I will be all ears.I would prefer numbers that were spun by a dealer.
Print out six copies of the diagram and with the 36 #s you have posted mark the six numbers that have come in,that will be six #s on each sheet,write the six #s in order first top to last bottom on the empty column far left of the diagram.
Then highlight the six #s in both the top grid and the bottom grid,as well as an arrow pointing to the numbers on the illustrated wheel.
When you have done that study all six diagrams carefully and tell me what you see,what you will see does not happen all the time but on average out of the six sets of spins you might have four potential bets out of six.
While you think about that I will set up the diagrams and post my findings then we will start to play.
Those of you that play the single 0, copy out the single 0 diagrams and do the same thing,it is exactly the same thing but one less pocket to worry about.


Regards,
Ronjo.
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Mogwai on January 09, 2009, 04:29:25 AM
Quote from: Wally Gator on January 08, 2009, 08:37:12 PM
Mogwai,

As per the highlighted text it appears that it failed 3 times for you.  Can you please tell me how far you went in the progressions?  Thanks, Wally


Hello Wally,

well I usually stop the session when I am about 100 units in profit, or loosing more than 150 units. I think the furthest I went  once was a 9 step progression. But usually I think I do not go further than 7 steps.

Regards
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 09, 2009, 10:41:37 AM
Hi Ronjo,

OK, did exactly as you said and here are my observations:

1.  Jumps right out that out of the 6 sets, 4 of the 6 sets had numbers that repeated.

2.  From the 1st set of 6, the 2nd group (blue group) is dominant. Had this been continually played for the remaining 30 numbers (using the strategy of playing only for the 6 spins, if you hit in 3 you stop and wait for the next 6 spin cycle) it would have continually won within 3 spins with flat bets.

3.  It appears that a dominant group shift is beginning to take place from the 2nd group (blue group) to the 3rd group (red group) between the 4th and 5th sets of 6.

4.  The bottom of the number chart provides for a record of ball drop distances and possible dealer signature for sectors of the wheel.

Those are my observations.

Wally
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 09, 2009, 11:00:05 AM
Other thing I missed was ...

5.  After the 1st group of 6 using wheel sectors, had you played the 6 numbers (10,25,29,12,8) for the following 30 spins you would have hit 4 of the remaining 5 sets.  If you played the remaining 5 sets flat betting (stopping at a hit and going virtual until the next set) it would have looked like this:

Set 1: 10,29,8 appear ... flat bet 6 numbers 10,25,29,12,8, (6th number could have been 27 or 19, didn't matter).
Set 2: 8 appears on the 3rd spin {+18}
Set 3: 12 appears on the 1st spin {+30}
Set 4: 8 appears on the 3rd spin {+18}
Set 5: 12 appears on the 1st spin {+30}
Set 6: no hits {-36}
Running total would have been {+60}

Not sure if we'd be tracking any of this ....
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 09, 2009, 11:05:34 AM
Ronjo,

I also understand why you wish to use spins from a live dealer.  I can begin providing those numbers as well.

I'm off to the casino, be back in a few hours ....

Wally
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Ronjo on January 10, 2009, 02:28:37 AM
Hi Wally,

Spot on Bud,very good,very simple hey,you will find that from first number spun it normally takes up to six spins to return to that group,so I normally start to bet from the third spin so we can flat bet without going into a progression.so if you want to carry on lets have three spins to start with and lets see what we can achieve.

Regards,
Ronjo.
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 10, 2009, 01:03:44 PM
Ronjo,

Great!  Here are the 1st 3 spins (taken from a live dealer).

20
3
9
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Ronjo on January 10, 2009, 02:13:30 PM
Hi Wally,
Here we go!


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So we have our first spin in the red group,second spin in the blue group,and the third spin in the green group.

And in the grid below that we dont have a dealer signature as yet.

And in the wheel we have three hits on the left side of the wheel,which is not a random spin when the ball goes from one side to the other for several spins thats random very hard to play.

So we play the Red group for three spins only and stop on a win.

Now I have three ways of picking my numbers one is the groups the other is a dealer signature and the third is another approach on the groups but not in the order as shown.We will concentrate on the first two to start with and will illustrate once we have mastered these two.

I will post the numbers I pick for the latter one as well and see how we do at the end and compare the results between them.

3-4-7-8-11-12-19-20-23-24-35-36

So if you like playing the two dozens these numbers are dominant in the 1st and 2nd dozen also.
But I stick to 12 numbers.

Wally post the next three spins Bud.

Regards,
Ronjo.
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 10, 2009, 03:58:55 PM
Ronjo, interesting.  Yes, it appears there are many variations of selecting the 12 number groups.  Let's keep going and learn the rest of the basics....

Next 3

24
19
10
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Ronjo on January 11, 2009, 03:19:37 AM
Hi Wally,
Here we have it!


(nolinks://img371.imageshack.us/img371/4755/80172937vr3.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)

We had a loss in the fourth spin,and then a win in #19 with the fith spin,and we have a signature developing around the 00.

I had a win straight away with the 12# method in #24

Thats the end of the session,so what do we do now.

We could start a session with the groups or we could play the signature if the signature is wider than 9 pockets its not a good play.

So for now we concentrate on the colour groups.

We start a new session with the #24 in the blue group.

Wally could you please do the arithmetic.

We had a 1000 units B/R to start with.

Regards,
Ronjo.&nbsp;
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Diarmaid on January 11, 2009, 12:17:25 PM
Hey Ronjo,

Hope life if treating you well.

Very interesting system, just one thing, I cant see what you mean by the "red group".

Regards
Diarmaid
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 11, 2009, 01:25:40 PM
Hi Ronjo,

A couple of questions as we go...

1. In the 1st post you discussed 6 spins, but we started with 3.  Can you please explain that?

2. In your last post you said we start with #19 in the blue group.  Have we changed colors of the groups.  #19 appears in the red group.  Was that just a mistake on the colors?

3. We're starting from #19 because that's where the hit was, right?   If this is the case, it appears we will be playing the same group until it loses.  Is that right?

Here's the table with the math, beginning with 1000 units for a bank.

[table=,]
Action,,,Number,,,Loss,,,Win,,,Running Total,,,Bank Balance,,,Remarks
Call,,,20,,,,,,,,,,,,1000,,,Looking for Red repeat in 6 spins, play begins on spin 3
Call,,,3
Call,,,9
Play Red,,,24,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,988
Play Red,,,19,,,-24,,,+36,,,+12,,,1012
Call,,,10,,,
[/table]
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 11, 2009, 01:28:01 PM
Next 3 spins (same dealer)
15
15
24
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Ronjo on January 11, 2009, 05:58:47 PM
Quote from: Wally Gator on January 11, 2009, 01:25:40 PM
Hi Ronjo,

A couple of questions as we go...

1. In the 1st post you discussed 6 spins, but we started with 3. &nbsp;Can you please explain that?

Sorry wally if I have not been very clear,I asked you to put six spins in six different sections with the 36 numbers you posted as It takes from the first spin on average 6 spins to come back to that area, so that you could see in 6 spins that would be the case,so what we do is is record three spins first and then we bet in the group where the first spin was so that after the third spin we will have a chance of betting three flat bets which will be 6 spins in total.

2. In your last post you said we start with #19 in the blue group. &nbsp;Have we changed colors of the groups. &nbsp;#19 appears in the red group. &nbsp;Was that just a mistake on the colors?

Sorry again my friend,after the numbers 20-3-9 then came 24-19-10 so number 24 was the first number in the last set of three numbers so we have 24 in the blue group.

3. We're starting from #19 because that's where the hit was, right? &nbsp;&nbsp;If this is the case, it appears we will be playing the same group until it loses. &nbsp;Is that right?

No we play the first number with its colour group of every set of three numbers.

Here's the table with the math, beginning with 1000 units for a bank.

[table=,]
Action,,,Number,,,Loss,,,Win,,,Running Total,,,Bank Balance,,,Remarks
Call,,,20,,,,,,,,,,,,1000,,,Looking for Red repeat in 6 spins, play begins on spin 3
Call,,,3
Call,,,9
Play Red,,,24,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,988
Play Red,,,19,,,-24,,,+36,,,+12,,,1012
Call,,,10,,,
[/table]


Wally sorry about the misunderstanding,We are waiting for three spins and then we take the first spin and its colour group and bet on that group until a win,and up to only three spins if losing in total we have six spins if losing.Then we take the first spin from the last three that has spun and that will be our number and the colour it belongs to, to bet on for another three spins.If three spins fall into one colour group we dont bet we run another three spins we only bet on a group if there are only 1-2 hits in that group.

So this is how it should look.

(nolinks://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8808/81515433tc4.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)

And we got a hit with #24 in the dealer signature if we played those 9#s.But I will leave the other two methods out until we have gone through this one with the group colours as it will get confusing.

OK so we have a hit in number 15 then we wait for another two spins and we have #15 and 24 so we have three numbers in the same group so we dont bet, but wait for another 3 spins.

(nolinks://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7098/41393946ss5.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)

Regards,
Ronjo.
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 12, 2009, 12:50:43 AM
Hi Ronjo,

OK, I think I've got it now.  Sorry for the confusion.  Here are a few more questions:

1.  We call 3 more spins whenever a single color appears in the previous 3 spins, right?

2.  What do we do when there is a 0 or 00 involved in the 3 spins?

Here's the table and after that I posted the next 9 spins because there are alot of 0's involved.  Perhaps you can use it to explain how that's played.  I very much like the idea that this is being played with flat bets.  Thanks.

[table=,]
Action,,,Number,,,Loss,,,Win,,,Running Total,,,Bank Balance,,,Remarks
Call,,,20,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Looking for Red repeat in 6 spins play begins on spin 3
Call,,,3,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Call,,,9,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Play Red,,,24,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,988,,,
Play Red,,,19,,,-12,,,+36,,,+12,,,1012,,,
Call,,,10,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Play Blue,,,15,,,-12,,,+36,,,+36,,,1048
Call,,,15,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Call,,,24,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[/table]

Next 9 spins (same dealer)

0
6
12
0
33
6
00
18
0
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Ronjo on January 12, 2009, 08:38:59 AM
Quote from: Wally Gator on January 12, 2009, 12:50:43 AM
Hi Ronjo,

OK, I think I've got it now. &nbsp;Sorry for the confusion. &nbsp;Here are a few more questions:

1. &nbsp;We call 3 more spins whenever a single color appears in the previous 3 spins, right?
&nbsp; &nbsp;
Correct, see samples below. &nbsp;

What do we do when there is a 0 or 00 involved in the 3 spins?

I will illustrate a few samples below.

Here's the table and after that I posted the next 9 spins because there are alot of 0's involved. &nbsp;Perhaps you can use it to explain how that's played. &nbsp;I very much like the idea that this is being played with flat bets. &nbsp;Thanks.

[table=,]
Action,,,Number,,,Loss,,,Win,,,Running Total,,,Bank Balance,,,Remarks
Call,,,20,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Looking for Red repeat in 6 spins play begins on spin 3
Call,,,3,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Call,,,9,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Play Red,,,24,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,988,,,
Play Red,,,19,,,-12,,,+36,,,+12,,,1012,,,
Call,,,10,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Play Blue,,,15,,,-12,,,+36,,,+36,,,1048
Call,,,15,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Call,,,24,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[/table]

Next 9 spins (same dealer)

0
6
12
0
33
6
00
18
0


Sample 1

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When there is a hit in the three different colours we bet on the first colour hit.

Sample 2

(nolinks://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4286/sample2fc1.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)

If you have two hits in one colour that is still playable with the first spin.

Sample 3

(nolinks://img374.imageshack.us/img374/8443/sample3ms3.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)

If you have three hits in one colour its not playable,run another three spins and play the first spin.

Sample 4 with the zero's.
(nolinks://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6330/sample4jq7.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)

We ignore the zero,s the reason is that they would cover two colours at the same time being that they cover the two end columns.and we have a win in number 6 now we need another two numbers to go with number 18.

Regards,
Ronjo.
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 12, 2009, 12:30:01 PM
Hi Ronjo,

OK, Got it.  Here's the questions for today...

1.  When you say we need 2 numbers to go with 18, shouldn't that be just 1 more number, as 6 is one of the 3 numbers?  Please see spin #15.

2.  I played this out a bit till 50 spins.  Can you kindly look at it and make corrections/comments on if it's being played correctly?

3.  Are there stop/loss points or do you believe this could go on and on?  You will notice from spins 26-31 there is a 2 session drawdown, but it recovers nicely.  Has your experience been that this is the case more than not?

Here's the table.  I've added Spin #s to columns so it's easier for us to reference.

[table=,]
Spin,,,Action,,,Number,,,Loss,,,Win,,,Running Total,,,Bank Balance,,,Remarks
1,,,Call,,,20,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Trigger is 20-Red Group-play begins on spin 4
2,,,Call,,,3,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
3,,,Call,,,9,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
4,,,Play Red,,,24,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,988,,,Trigger is 24- Blue Group- play begins on spin 7
5,,,Play Red,,,19,,,-12,,,+36,,,+12,,,1012,,,
6,,,Call,,,10,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
7,,,Play Blue,,,15,,,-12,,,+36,,,+36,,,1048,,,Trigger is 15- Blue- play begins on spin 10
8,,,Call,,,15,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
9,,,Call,,,24,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
10,,,Play Blue,,,0,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,1036,,,Ignore 0- trigger is next number
11,,,Play Blue,,,6,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,1024,,,Trigger is 6- Green- play begins on spin 14
12,,,Play Blue,,,12,,,-12,,,+36,,,0,,,1048,,,
13,,,Call,,,0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Ignore 0- Call to get 3rd number
14,,,Call,,,33,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Play now begins on spin 15
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
15,,,Play Green,,,6,,,-12,,,+36,,,+24,,,1072,,,Trigger is 6- Green- play beings on spin 18
16,,,Call,,,00,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Ignore 00- Call to get 2nd number
17,,,Call,,,18,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
18,,,Call,,,0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Ignore 0- Call to get 3rd number
19,,,Call,,,12,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
20,,,Play Green,,,32,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,1060,,,Trigger is 32-Red- play begins on spin 23
21,,,Play Green,,,22,,,-12,,,+36,,,+12,,,1084,,,Dealer Change
22,,,Call,,,19,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
23,,,Play Red,,,16,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,1072,,,Trigger is 16-Blue- play begins on spin 26
24,,,Play Red,,,11,,,-12,,,0,,,-24,,,1060,,,
25,,,Play Red,,,36,,,-12,,,+36,,,0,,,1084,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
26,,,Play Blue,,,22,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,1072,,,Trigger is 22-Green- play beings on spin 29
27,,,Play Blue,,,1,,,-12,,,0,,,-24,,,1060,,,
28,,,Play Blue,,,6,,,-12,,,0,,,-36,,,1048,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
29,,,Play Green,,,16,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,1036,,,Trigger is 16-Blue- play begins on spin 32
30,,,Play Green,,,14,,,-12,,,0,,,-24,,,1024,,,
31,,,Play Green,,,19,,,-12,,,0,,,-36,,,1012,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
32,,,Play Blue,,,30,,,-12,,,+36,,,+24,,,1036,,,Trigger is 30-Blue- play begins on spin35
33,,,Call,,,23,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
34,,,Call,,,26,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
35,,,Play Blue,,,14,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,1024,,,Trigger is 14-Red- play begins on spin 38
36,,,Play Blue,,,12,,,-12,,,+36,,,+12,,,1048,,,
37,,,Call,,,13,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
38,,,Play Red,,,22,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,1036,,,Trigger is 22-Green- play begins on spin 41
39,,,Play Red,,,31,,,-12,,,+36,,,+12,,,1060,,,
40,,,Call,,,28,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
41,,,Play Green,,,8,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,1048,,,Trigger is 8-Blue- play begins on spin 44
42,,,Play Green,,,20,,,-12,,,0,,,-24,,,1036,,,
43,,,Play Green,,,28,,,-12,,,+36,,,0,,,1060,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
44,,,Play Blue,,,21,,,-12,,,0,,,-12,,,1048,,,Trigger is 21-Green- play begins on spin 47
45,,,Play Blue,,,3,,,-12,,,+36,,,+12,,,1072,,,
46,,,Call,,,22,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
47,,,Play Green,,,34,,,-12,,,+36,,,+24,,,1096,,,Trigger is 34-Green- play begins on spin 50
48,,,Call,,,11,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
49,,,Call,,,15,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
50,,,Play Green,,,25,,,-12,,,+36,,,+24,,,1120,,,Trigger is 25-Green- play begins on spin 53
51,,,Call,,,33,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
52,,,Call,,,24,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,End of Session
[/table]
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 12, 2009, 12:50:36 PM
Should anyone be keeping track of this, please note not to confuse the "Running Total" with the "Bank Balance".  The Running Total is the session total, NOT the Running Total for the entire series of spins.  If you take the Bank Balance at the end of a session and combine it with the next sessions Running Total you will have the new Bank Balance.  Make sense?
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: kompressor on January 12, 2009, 01:12:55 PM
i like this test based on 00 wheels....i got a touchbet in my casino...sit down and enjoy 1 spin per minute...that's cool
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Diarmaid on January 12, 2009, 03:34:16 PM
Just ran a 300 spin test. Very impressive especially since its flatbetting.

High= +264
Low=  -24
End=  +264


Here is the spreadsheet, could you see if im doing it correctly.

nolinks://nolinks.southeastcs.com/share/ronjo_groups.xls (nolinks://nolinks.southeastcs.com/share/ronjo_groups.xls)



Regards
Diarmaid
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Phishalot on January 12, 2009, 03:35:09 PM
Is this same method fro Lanky's thread? or New. The groups seem differant.

At the end of a series can we use the last 3 #s for the next pick?

Thanks Wally and Ronjo for doing this it is a real help. Love the charts. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Ronjo on January 14, 2009, 01:16:31 AM
Quote from: Wally Gator on January 12, 2009, 12:30:01 PM
Hi Ronjo,

OK, Got it. &nbsp;Here's the questions for today...

1. &nbsp;When you say we need 2 numbers to go with 18, shouldn't that be just 1 more number, as 6 is one of the 3 numbers? &nbsp;Please see spin #15.

Remember to always run two spins after the chozen group,yes 6 Green is correct but let two numbers run and then flat bet for three spins if losing and stop on a win.

2. &nbsp;I played this out a bit till 50 spins. &nbsp;Can you kindly look at it and make corrections/comments on if it's being played correctly?

Yes you are playing correctly.

3. &nbsp;Are there stop/loss points or do you believe this could go on and on? &nbsp;You will notice from spins 26-31 there is a 2 session drawdown, but it recovers nicely. &nbsp;Has your experience been that this is the case more than not?

Yes this does recover very nicley,and its been in my experience that if using high value units its quite easy to win 4-5 sessions and walk away with profit in most cases.



Wally here is some play I did with a single 0 its the same principle as using the 00.

(nolinks://img397.imageshack.us/img397/1491/wally1tp1.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)

(nolinks://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9111/wally2db0.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)

(nolinks://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2708/wally3ds9.jpg) (nolinks://imageshack.us)

Wally I wont be posting for a few weeks as I am going to be busy working with Steve on his challenge over at RR,when I have completed the challenge I will show the other method with groups and also dealer signature.

In the mean time try and see how far you can get with what you have learnt.
Bear in mind you will get a session from hell from time to time but I am sure you know not to get caught chasing a fallen piano.

Regards,
Ronjo.
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Ronjo on January 14, 2009, 01:25:58 AM
Quote from: Diarmaid on January 12, 2009, 03:34:16 PM
Just ran a 300 spin test. Very impressive especially since its flatbetting.

High= +264
Low= &nbsp;-24
End= &nbsp;+264


Here is the spreadsheet, could you see if im doing it correctly.

nolinks://nolinks.southeastcs.com/share/ronjo_groups.xls (nolinks://nolinks.southeastcs.com/share/ronjo_groups.xls)



Regards
Diarmaid

Hi Dairmaid,
Remember to stop on a win you are playing all three spins, only play the three spins if you are losing.
Look at spin 24 you had three Reds, and you picked Red as your group.Spin 26 was blue that should have been your group.


Regards,
Ronjo.
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Ronjo on January 14, 2009, 01:30:00 AM
Quote from: Phishalot on January 12, 2009, 03:35:09 PM
Is this same method fro Lanky's thread? or New. The groups seem differant.

At the end of a series can we use the last 3 #s for the next pick?

Thanks Wally and Ronjo for doing this it is a real help. Love the charts. :thumbsup:



Hi Phishalot,
The approach and groups are completely different.And glad to help.

Regards,
Ronjo.
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Wally Gator on January 14, 2009, 03:41:28 PM
Thanks Ronjo,

If you can please clarify the following:

1.  If you are down after 3 spins, it appears from the samples you posted that you continue to play until a hit.  Is that right?  How many do you chase?

Thanks again, and I understand you not being able to post for a bit.

Best, Wally
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: kompressor on January 14, 2009, 03:56:13 PM
hey wally

any bankroll's update playing 00 wheels ???

still at 1120 ??
Title: Re: The Gator's use of Ronjo's 3 Group Method
Post by: Diarmaid on January 15, 2009, 02:25:35 AM
Quote from: Ronjo on January 14, 2009, 01:25:58 AM
Hi Dairmaid,
Remember to stop on a win you are playing all three spins, only play the three spins if you are losing.
Look at spin 24 you had three Reds, and you picked Red as your group.Spin 26 was blue that should have been your group.


Regards,
Ronjo.


I am stopping on a win but yes I made a mistake on spin 24 yes.

I done more tests and it pretty much tanked on me.