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## Main => Roulette & Gambling framework => Topic started by: Wally Gator on January 05, 2009, 12:16:09 PM

Title: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Wally Gator on January 05, 2009, 12:16:09 PM
Yesterday I was toying with a few ideas and came up with the following:

1.  Did you know that if you started with \$100 bucks and made 1% of that (\$1.00) and then the next day added the 1% to your \$100 bucks and then made 1% of that the next day, and so on and so forth, at the end of 1 year your \$100 bucks would be \$3,703.90?

2.  Did you know that if you did the same thing at the end of 2 years your \$100 bucks would be worth \$126,691.18?

3.  And, did you know that if you continued, at the end of 3 years your \$100 bucks would be worth \$5,287,635.92?

4.  Did you know that time is going to pass by regardless of whether you are making 1% of your money daily?

5.  Did you know that the ultra wealthy make the majority of their money using the power of compounded interest?  While we may be sitting in front of a roulette table, they are sitting in front of their own table figuring out how to make that 1% for the day.

6.  Did you know the ultra wealthy are mostly C students who saw opportunity and accepted that there would be risks involved and decided to take the risk?  Calculated and educated risks.  The most cautious of them work very hard to make 1% of their money on a daily basis.  They know that as that money builds it will take less and less risk to make more and they will have gained the discipline to do that because they are doing it every day.  Although the outcome is much higher, the risk has remained the same.  They are simply now using billions of dollars as opposed to hundreds of dollars.  But, it's still only a risk of working to gain 1% each and every day.

7.  Did you know that in the history of the world there have been exceptionally few 'overnight' successes, while there have been millions of 'overnight' disasters?

8.  Would you agree that it's possible, perhaps even easy, to walk into a casino or play online with \$100 bucks and make \$1?  If so, then you would agree that it's possible, perhaps even easy, to walk in with \$100K and walk out with \$1K, right?  And, it would be just as easy to walk in with \$1M and gain that 1%, or \$10K, get my point?

9.  Where do you want to be in 3 years with your \$100 bucks?

I wish each of your the most prosperous 2009.
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Shorty on January 05, 2009, 12:24:35 PM
That post was awesome!  :)
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: VLSroulette on January 05, 2009, 02:47:16 PM
Wally Gator,

Truly excellent post dear friend.

Like a wise fellow said: "The difference between betting small and betting big is time". Thumbs up to you for elaborating :thumbsup:

Victor
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: lucky_strike on January 05, 2009, 02:55:30 PM
:thumbsup:

Thanks for you post wally gator and thanks for sharing :)

I like it when you talk about 1% i use to say that you should only aim for +1.
When you put it like you do i think its so great because there are some that claims they have 15% andvantage and they expect you to belive that :)

I woundering what that amount would be???

Cheers mate

LS
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: JHM on January 05, 2009, 03:09:56 PM
Great post Wally. It set me thinking. Thank you for this contribution, maybe we should try to find a (safe) bet that does make 1%.

Victor can we split this post with a link to the original? With in the new post as header ''Best bet(s) to increase your BR with 1% daily''.
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: VLSroulette on January 05, 2009, 03:29:15 PM
Dear JHM,

Splitting makes two posts out of the same when parts of a thread are off-topic, I see them all currently within topic, so I don't think there's a need for splitting mate.

Of course, feel free to start a secondary post yourself with exactly that title your decribe and link this one. :thumbsup:

Kind regards.

Victor
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Marven on January 05, 2009, 03:29:34 PM
Wally Gator,

Great thinking mate!

As someone once said: 1% is the difference between riches and poor.

The big question is HOW would you make that 1% each day over approx 1095 days (3 years) WITHOUT ever running into a bad run and losing a percentage of your bankroll that would cancel a percentage of your running profits (or all of them) in a way that would make your long term winnings equal to -2.7%.

The even bigger question is how would you minimize, or even better overcome that risk and gain the [smiley=engel017.gif]edge[smiley=engel017.gif].

Thank you for your thought-provoking post mate.

Regards,
Marven
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: lucky_strike on January 05, 2009, 03:49:22 PM
wally gator i just want to say that to break even is the same thing as if you would have won 1% because you did not lose.

When i test some thing then some times is just don't happen, you get wrong from the very start and find your self down in a deep hole.
It could be -5 units and your aim was to win 5 units.
Then you could change your target to become 0 units and the winning strike from -5 to 0 would be the same as when you start from 0 to hit +5.
Then there is no point to try to aim for +% then you should be happy if you hit 0.

And i know some members that do just that.
No names but just for illustration.
Lets assume you would won 100 sessions and break even 3 sessions and loss 2 sessions.

Then what would happen if this 3 times when you did find your self in up and downs and no strikes comes in your favor or if you down the deep hole and just keep puch it, then you would have lost or won but why take the risk.
If you know your way of play then you are a part of the game and know when things goes your way or not, if not then we have to change our goals and take reality for what it is.
And that could be to break even or take a loss.

And thanks again i like your post very much :)

Cheers LS
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on January 05, 2009, 04:06:26 PM
;D Also what people do not seem to realize is that if you make 1% per day you effectively are making 30% per month

Cheers
Jakk
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: winkel on January 05, 2009, 04:12:50 PM
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: lucky_strike on January 05, 2009, 04:21:58 PM
Hi wally gator and all...

Then the question comes how many days we would play in 4 weeks  ;D

Wally gator i want you to reply to this and keep this post alive...
I would like it to develop to what we aim for when we play to gain a certan amount of %.

Do we use some thing that we have test for 1 000 000 trails and know we have a shot for a life time not to lose 6 bets in a row and getting one oppertunity to bet once or twice in 8 hours of observation, or do some one just track 60 trails and know that they are going to hit 1% or above on a daily basis because some one told them so...

What is it we do when we aim for 1% or above???

Some one could claim that he plays Grand Super Martingale and put a % on zero for every placed bet and have no worries abot house edge or losing 6 placed bets and win 1% and above for the rest of hes life.

LS

Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: geoff365 on January 05, 2009, 04:40:10 PM
The 1% is more applicable on sports betting. 1 bet a day risking no more than 3%.

And hedging can be used, ie starting bank roll 1000 units only needs 30 for the first bet.

Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Wally Gator on January 05, 2009, 05:01:35 PM
Guys,

Thanks for your replies.  All very interesting.  I wanted to make a few more comments as I know others will have more and more questions.  This was what I was thinking when I posted my observations:

1.  I've been playing roulette on and off since 1985.  Why have I not achieved my goals with it?  For me, it's been my psychological perspective.  These past few months is the first time that I've begun looking at playing roulette as a business.  And, since I've owned several businesses (and still own 2) why not run it as a business.

2.  This is only me (I'm sure others will differ), but, in all the years I've physically put money on the table (not play money, real money) I cannot remember a time when I was not up at some point during that particular visit to the casino.  Now, I've walked out a loser more times than I care to remember.  However, at some point I was in the plus (+).

3.  Now, since joining this forum, I've learned ways of play that I would otherwise not have known.  This makes me even stronger in my belief that 1% of session bank is easier than I even thought.

Let's take an example.  I'll use my personal favorite.  It's something that Lanky brought to my attention (he's a clever bugger).  Did you know that on the American wheel, if you cover the 2nd dozen and the 1st and 6th lines (1st and last double streets) you have not only covered 24 numbers, but those 24 numbers just happen to be 12 consecutive numbers on both sides of the wheel!!  So, right out of the gate, I'm going for the "1 hit - 1 kill" strategy, right?  At the casino's in which I play, you can bet up to \$1,500 bucks on the dozens.  If you've read my previous note, winning at this level means you are at day 737, your \$100 bucks is now worth \$150,040.92.  If you stopped the 1% increase from this point on and just accepted the \$1,500 daily you'd be over \$547K annually.   Let's say I lose it.  More than likely that's going to happen at least 1/3 of the time, right?  Well, now I've got .... let me see ..... there's the G.U.T., Ronjo's method, Victor's Lw's, Herb's VB and bias strategies, Kimo Li, The Winning Edge, Arte's Studio, Turbo, NiReaper's RNG Attack, and the list goes on and on.  My point is that with that many strategies at your disposal, failure would mean that every possible way of play that you know would have to fail in the same day or same wheel at the same casino.  Now, if you don't have faith that you can recover with a session bank that only needs a 1% profit then I would say roulette is not for you.  Even playing the way I've stated and looking for the "1 hit - 1 kill" and you lose, now you need to make 3% of your session bank to walk out the door.  If you can't effectively make \$3 bucks with the \$100 you walked in with than you are definitely in the wrong business (my personal opinion).

4.  So, the next stage was for me to look at the business logic of this.  Certainly, once I get past the 2nd year mark I'm making too much money to just be putting it into my personal safe.  Also, I'm probably going to be relatively tired of hitting the casino every day (go figure).  Although at this point, I'm getting to the point of having to travel to play for fear of getting banned.  But, remember the goal, it's 1% of my bank daily, right?  So, with this much money, I can use other business opportunities to gain my daily 1%, right?  I can sit at other tables, not just a roulette table.  Make sense?

5.  This was THE most important part of my thought process.  Am I going to be able to deal with going each and every day and treat this as a real business?  This was/is the MOST difficult part of the entire equation for me.  From the business perspective, the strategies used in making the money is the easy part.  Others have already done the difficult part of developing and testing the strategies.  The hard part is the discipline.  The discipline of going each and every day.  The discipline of going for the 1st year knowing it's only \$100 bucks and, hell, even after a year it's only \$3,700 bucks.  Give me a break!!!  But, you know what.  In my other businesses, it took way longer than a couple of years before I even turned a profit.  In some of my other business, I have failed.  I've had to let people go because I couldn't make a go of it.  Others relied on my decisions and I let them down.  Do I have the discipline to make a go of this?  That's the question that needs to be answered and it can only be answered by us, individually.  Because, individually, we each have the Holy Grail.  It's up to each of us to choose to use it.  Not an easy decision.

6.  Goals.  What do I want to do with this money?  If I don't have specific, written, attainable goals then I should not even begin.  This could be a substantial amount of money in a very short period of time (less than 5 years).  If I can get 10 others to do it with me we could build hospitals, gymnasiums, give to charities and cancer research ... there is an unlimited opportunity for good.  But, first the goals.

Those were my thoughts ....
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: TwoCatSam on January 05, 2009, 05:02:09 PM
Gulp!

I am one who has dug a hole and wished he had quit with a smaller hole!  LS is so right.  How many times have I've said I just wanted to get back to where i started.  It's like that mouse:  "I don't want any cheese!  I just want out of the trap!"

Good post Mr. Gator!

@Victor

Little bets do seem to add up and turn into a big bet stretched over time.  Steve Morgan always maintained one should wait until the time was right and bet bet.  I think mr. j. also advises this.  And yes, I've seen my \$1 bets turn into \$500 loses.

Sam
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: JHM on January 05, 2009, 05:17:56 PM
The only problem are the table limits. They keep you away from building into those millions.
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: JHM on January 05, 2009, 05:23:04 PM
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: JHM on January 05, 2009, 05:32:47 PM
Wally,

In stead of visiting a casino every day, there are several online casinos where you can play live roulette. For example Dublinbet. This casino is a brick and mortar casino with a live feed connected to the internet.

Now you can play that 100 into 3700,- from home. Off course when you're starting to make big money it's time to visit your local casino(s).

Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Wally Gator on January 05, 2009, 05:34:37 PM
@ winkel,

You are right, and you'd have to work the numbers to whatever casino and country you're in.  My thought was if you're over the 1% you can either spend time trying to make more with it, or use it bump yourself up a few days.  I prefer the latter.

@JHM

You are also right, it's difficult into the millions.  However, my tables allow single inside bets of \$200 per number (and high roller tables go to \$1,000 a number).  Using ronjo's strategy as an example, bet is 12x\$200=\$2,400, a win=\$7,200-\$2,400=\$4,800 ... daily = \$4,800x365=\$1,752,000.  That's only if you stop the 1% daily increase.  You get to \$4,800 daily at day 854. :):)
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: JHM on January 05, 2009, 05:38:22 PM
Wally,

I'm more than happy with 50k per year mate  ;)

I have opened a new topic, concerning the best way play/bet and increase your br with 1% per day. nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/best-way-of-play-to-make-1percent-or-your-br-per-day/ (http://nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/best-way-of-play-to-make-1percent-or-your-br-per-day/)
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: JHM on January 05, 2009, 05:51:38 PM
What I also like is, with a good bet this is Hit and Run  :)
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Wally Gator on January 05, 2009, 09:26:31 PM
@ JHM,

Thanks for setting up another topic.  I posted there as well.

Something I believe important to keep in mind is that although I believe the 1% per day is completely doable, everyone has good and bad sessions.  So, there are different ways to approach that as well regarding the 1% of bank.  If you start immediately and are down, you can change strategies and change multiple times.  You can have a stop-loss point, so you can recover the next day.  If your stop-loss was, say, 2% then you'd need to make 3% the next day, or you could determine the amount of the loss and roll it into a good session day at a future date.

Gaining the 1% daily is not iron clad.  What is most important is to understand the powerful effects of daily 'interest' on our money.

As for the 1% and roulette, other variations that you could incorporate would be on the days you make over the 1%, either play with the casinos money and see if you can gain more, or bump yourself up a few days on the scale, or just take off a few days.  There are many, many options.  This is the greatest thing about it.

Set the goal and be flexible.  Make sense?
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: roules on January 06, 2009, 02:12:55 AM
Quote
i think what you need to look for is a bet that makes winning 5-10 units as easy as possible, so lets say you have something that can win 10 units fairly easily, keep it and practice for a month, try and make 10 units a day, ultimately keep yourself in profit at the end of each week even if its only 10 units a week, if you can do that you can use higher and higher bet stakes but playing exactly the same as you did, the more you practice the more consistent you will become but its up to the player to teach himself that discipline to win like that,

I'd only just came across this last night, by Ryan08 and it ties in well with this. Two of the most inspiring posts I have read for a while and I thank their respective authors for sharing them.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: winkel on January 06, 2009, 03:52:06 AM
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: HansHuckebein on January 06, 2009, 06:19:35 AM
great example winkel.  ;D

ok, this is the deal. you can take the money as long as I can take care of the secretaries.  ;)
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: JHM on January 06, 2009, 11:59:10 AM
Winkel,

Great example, I would love to take that loss (when she's wearing nothing, off course I would like to check, just to be sure  :o).
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Wally Gator on January 06, 2009, 02:19:33 PM
You guys are great !!!  Personally, I prefer the red .....
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Kingpin on January 06, 2009, 04:59:20 PM
Hey Wally,

It is truly inspiring  :thumbsup:

BR
Kingpin
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Boo_Ray on January 06, 2009, 06:46:02 PM
guys excelent idea and everything.... but.... that would mean that you have to win 1068 sessions... and in every session there is a chance to lose everything.... most can find hard winning 100sessions
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Wally Gator on January 06, 2009, 09:21:13 PM
@BooRay

I understand where you're coming from and what you're saying is right, for the most part.

However, my intention is to use a 1-shot 1-kill out of the gate each session and then decide which strategy to employ in the recovery for the days it fails.   No question it's not going to be easy, but I really believe it can be done.  Here's why... we're talking about 1%, that's it.  The bank is huge in comparision to the profit target, the strategies diverse and desire strong.

Worst case is this thing falls flat on it's face and fails and I'm out \$100 bucks, regardless of how much may have been won in the process.

Bottom line is let's take this thing down the runway and see what she'll do .... no risk, no reward.

Right now I'm up \$10 bucks .....
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on January 07, 2009, 04:03:00 AM
Hey Wally!
I think this is a do-able idea for the most part.Interesting when you get to the larger numbers AND to see which strategies give you the best recovery or earn you the most winnings on your journey with this.
Offering my total support.
TSK
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: lucky_strike on January 07, 2009, 07:13:25 AM
How do you think as an strategy player, if you are one!
When you as an strategy player know your up and downs "variance" then what do you do if you hit the deep hole from scratch and there is no way around it.

You find your self aim for a gain of 10 units.
Then you find your self in the hole and are down -10 units.

Now you know your variance and it did not hit, did it.
So did you get a secound shot to win, when you find your self in this situation, the deep hole.

The distance from 0 to 10 is the same as -10 to 0, so did you get a secound shot at it, to win.

So if you would have two ways to win, then would your ratio of succes increase.
Is it when you pass this two, if that is your way of play and would you use a slow recovery strategy to grind it all back after this two attacks.

When would you exept a loss, would you?
Would you just keep going with a never ending story.
There is no secret formula for a strategy player.

All we have and its my humbel opinion, you win or break even and hit loss limit less.
There is no all in or is it?

Any thoughts or opinions...

Cheers Lucky Strike
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Wally Gator on January 07, 2009, 12:28:50 PM
@lucky strike,

Good post.

For me, it's all about flexibility.  From taking a risk on the 2nd spin and win, to using a slow recovery strategy, to walking out and adding the loss to the next day, it's all about flexibility.

Like I've said, if there is a single thought I have about losing it's the lack of discipline.  And, especially when on a losing run.  We must fight, and fight hard, those thoughts and feelings of getting it all back, and all back NOW!!!  No question everyone on this forum has had these feelings and can relate.  Psychologically it sucks walking out a loser.  Having said that, my belief is to always focus on what the long term goal is.  Why trash your bank just because you've had a losing run?  STOP !!  Put the brakes on and continue when your responses will be more productive.  If that means having a cup of coffee and returning, then that's what it is for you.  If it means leaving and returning in 6 months, then that's what it is for you.  Don't trash your bank from a single losing run.

I believe our psychologial state is just as important as any given strategy or system.  We don't seem to discuss that much, but I believe it's very important.
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: TwoCatSam on January 07, 2009, 01:09:22 PM
Wally

Very good post.  I view it as little battles, first and tens, or at bats.  I am trying to set my goal as a monthly figure so loosing a session doesn't seem to be so bad.  We don't call the game when the first batter strikes out or we punt the ball.  We play the full game.

I am working very hard to learn when to walk away.  There is a time to stay a while long and a time to run.  Saying it is a lot easier than doing it!

Sam
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Wally Gator on January 07, 2009, 10:38:25 PM
Sam,

You are right on the money.

Think of it like this .... instead of approaching the game with the philosophy of having to win every session or everytime we're at the casino, work the session for what it's worth.  By that I mean if it's going exceptionally well, then exploit it for all it's worth.  If things are going down the sh*tter, and if you've been playing for any length of time you know exactly when that is, then get the hell outta there.  It really is a learned and practiced discipline.  I believe that this is the Holy Grail.  It is within each of us and up to each of us to use our brain power for strategy and to keep our emotions in check.

Look at baseball, for example.  The best of the best hitters of the game, the Babe Ruth's, the Barry Bonds', the Mark McGuire's, these guys failed (struck out), on average, 6-7 out of 10 times at bat.  SIX to SEVEN times.  That is HUGE !!!  So, why are they called the best of the best?  Yeah, you could say it's because it's better than most other players .... but, the real reason is a combination of their average COMBINED WITH the fact that when they did get up they slammed that sucker outta the park !!  So, they took advantage of their sessions at bat and made the most of it.

It's no different for what we are attempting to accomplish.  Think about it.  Think about how many people play roulette at any casino anywhere in the world at anytime and how many win.  The people on this forum are easily in the Babe Ruth category for roulette.  You DON'T have to win every time to walk away with alot of money over a long period of time.  We should not even be thinking of winning every time.  It's how to maximize those times at bat.  It's knowing our averages at all times.  Knowing who the pitcher is, the condition of the field, our swinging strategy .... get my drift??

Remember, you get 3 swings at the ball.  These players have no choice in the matter.  We, on the other hand, can set the parameters of those swings with amazing accuracy.
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: roules on January 08, 2009, 04:31:45 AM
Wally

Very good post.  I view it as little battles, first and tens, or at bats.  I am trying to set my goal as a monthly figure so losing a session doesn't seem to be so bad.  We don't call the game when the first batter strikes out or we punt the ball.  We play the full game.

I am working very hard to learn when to walk away.  There is a time to stay a while long and a time to run.  Saying it is a lot easier than doing it!

Sam

Gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em.
Know when to walk away, know when to run. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: TwoCatSam on January 08, 2009, 04:26:56 PM
roules

Took me a long time to understand that song.  I thought...WHEN do you fold 'em?  WHEN....do you hold 'em.  I finally understood that each must learn for himself; there is no formula.  Like riding a bike or learning to swim.  You can be instructed but you have to learn by yourself.

Sam
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: MXkid77 on January 18, 2009, 04:43:55 PM
Here's a speadsheet showing the effectiveness of 1% per day/session.

Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: bombus on January 19, 2009, 02:29:15 AM
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Kingpin on January 19, 2009, 08:42:57 AM
Nice one Bombus  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: VLSroulette on January 19, 2009, 10:28:24 AM
Here's a speadsheet showing the effectiveness of 1% per day/session.

Thank you MX!
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: MXkid77 on January 19, 2009, 10:32:37 AM
"Does anyone think they have a strategy that could win 100% of the stake 10 times in a row? "

Would that not be "THE GRAIL"?
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: bombus on January 20, 2009, 03:20:18 AM
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Wally Gator on January 20, 2009, 01:37:03 PM
bombus,

I agree, the concept is definitely more exciting.

But, as I said in my original post, the purpose was more deisgned to provide those who want to do this for a living that it takes alot of discipline and patience.  So, if you focused on 1% of Bank per day, after a period of time you would have not only accomplished a financial goal, but also the discipline to work many strategies/systems for lifelong benefit.

Gator
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: bombus on January 20, 2009, 11:38:32 PM
Granted. There would be a huge prospect to grow in knowledge and disipline. But eventually, either way there will be some big money investments toward the end of the excersize. 1% or 100%, both will need to be very brave at some point.
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: ikarianman on February 03, 2009, 07:43:34 AM
hello everyone!hey wally gator!how is it going with the idea?i hope good because i just read and think of start with this "system"
cheers :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: DeLuca on September 01, 2009, 11:51:19 AM
Am wondering if anyone attempted this experiment, and if so, how it went (or how it is still going).  This seems doable to me. . . I think the idea has real merit, and I would like to hear feedback from those who gave it a go with real money.

What systems or betting strategies did you use? How did you handle losing sessions? What did you do when recovery strategies (if you used them) failed and your negative balance for the day kept getting larger? What was your bankroll, and did you have more than one? Were you playing live wheel or RNG? Etc, etc.

Any insight by those of you who tried this would really help. . . regardless of whether it was a success, a failure, or whether you determined it was not the right strategy for you.

Thanks,
DeLuca
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: stavros on September 18, 2009, 07:47:38 PM
This is a good post. I see many people have the unrealistic expectation, and they wish to go to casino with \$100 and make 500 or \$1000. For me, I look to make only 4 unit every day, and that is just 8% of my bankroll of 50 units! My variance is not so large and as the pendulum swing between profit and loss during a session I find that at some point I am up those 4 unit and when that happens I am finished for the day. My hit rate is about 45% but I use a small progression and this works for me now for over two years. I play a big unit size so I don't increase it.
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: robski on October 06, 2009, 10:38:19 AM
Hey Guys and Gals.   Im from Brisbane Australia here and have just  found this roulette underworld.  Thought i was the only person who thought about it 24/7.   Well i play regularly with pretty fair success using some weird things i learned from jack wise kennedy,  he was an old yanky dude who died probably due to having no money(just kidding) you may have come across him.   I dont play on line,  just Brisbane and Jupiters.   really basic stuff and i hope i can learn from you guys and maybe add something now and then.      Thanks for the forum.    Steve   Mackenzie   Brisbane  Aust.
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on October 06, 2009, 10:40:58 AM
Hi robski

Oh no mate your not alone in thinking about roulette too much lol....have a good look around and welcome to the forum.
TSK
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: robski on October 06, 2009, 10:50:55 AM
thanks Spider,  best of luck   and see you at the cashiers :biggrin:
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: robski on October 06, 2009, 11:33:22 AM
Spider, had a quick look around.   Fantastic site for players but without trying to be smart, all everyone wants to do is bet massive amounts of numbers and do a fib progression.   Everyone i know comes undone doing this.   I know a guy who charges people 5000 dollars to do this and they flock from all around the country to be taught by him.   and hes useless.   Am i missing something or is there an area that has a profitable martindale system or the like that is profitable.  anyway,  thanks buddy    keep up the good work.    steve   brisbane
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: VLSroulette on October 06, 2009, 12:35:50 PM
Welcome around Steve,

Hope you have a great time debating roulette with us.

Regarding the fibo selling guy; wow, \$5000 for a fibonacci?? That is got to be the most outrageous price I've ever heard for a fibo.

What do people say when they find out what it really is what they are paying for?

Thanks for stopping by.
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Lanky on October 06, 2009, 06:12:04 PM
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robski >Im from Brisbane Australia

Gees that's all We need......another Bloody Aussie.....Too many of them guys here if You ask me....Lmao.

Hi Mate I am in NSW....about 70 ks from Star City.

There is heaps of Aussies here Cobber ...some from up Your way as well Mate.

Welcome Mate ....Enjoy.

Lanky.
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: robski on October 07, 2009, 11:52:20 AM
Thanks Lanky,   was there at christmas  and won a few dollars.    unfortunately, mummy wanted to stay at meriton world towers so my profits very quickly disapeared.      steve :-*
Title: Re: Food for Thought ...... Holy Grail ???
Post by: Moreno on May 25, 2021, 07:29:21 PM
Hello to all roulette specialists.

I find this system "The Holy Grail by Turbo" which obviously has something similar to the Vaddis Holly Grail.

Please everyone to compare and examine the parallels of both systems.

Maybe that can help us further!!!  :pleasantry:

Thanks

-Moreno

The system below as follows:

system "The Holy Grail by Turbo"
{
*********************************************************************
* System by Turbogenius *
*********************************************************************
Rx-ed by St0rm0r

---------------------------------------------------------------------
00-c0mpatible
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 1 ) Record 37 spins.
Step 2 ) Begin betting 1 unit on a number that has the least amount of hits.
Step 3 ) Play this number flat betting 1 unit for 37/38 spins.
Step 3a ) You have a win, remove this number. The other bets remain until
37/38 spins have passed.
Step 3b ) You have no win after 37/38 spins have passed.
You increase the bet +1 and play that
same number flat for the next cycle of 37/38 spins as well as the next number
with the least amount of hits.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
}
method "main"
begin
// section 1: do this once
while starting new session
begin
call "init"
exit
end

// section 2: do the tracking
track last number for 1 time record"last N"layout
call "update hits"

// section 3: act on a loss
if net < 0
begin
if record"#spins"data = record"numbers"layout count
begin
put 0 record"#spins"data
call "get number to play"
end
end

// section 4:act on a win
if net > 0
begin
subtract 1 record"how many"data
if record"how many"data < 1
begin
put 1 record"how many"data
put 1 record"pro"data
put 0 record"#spins"data
end
call "get number to play"
end

// section 5:act when not qualified
if flag "qualified" false
begin
if record"#spins"data = record"numbers"layout count
begin
call "get number to play"
set flag "qualified" true
put 0 record"#spins"data
end
end

// section 6:act when qualified
if flag "qualified" true
begin
//bet
put 100% record"pro"data record"play number"layout list
end
end
// subroutines
method "init"
begin
group
begin
input dropdown "Wheel type:
1:= single zero
2:= double zero" record"Wheel"data
end
if record"Wheel"data = 1
begin
copy list [number 0, number 1, number 2, number 3,number 4,number 5,number 6,
number 7,number 8,number 9,number 10,number 11,number 12,number 13,number 14,
number 15,number 16,number 17,number 18,number 19,number 20,number 21,number 22,
number 23,number 24,number 25,number 26,number 27,number 28,number 29,number 30,
number 31,number 32,number 33,number 34,number 35,number 36] to record"numbers"layout
set list [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0] record"hits"data
end
else
begin
copy list [number 00,number 0, number 1, number 2, number 3,number 4,number 5,number 6,
number 7,number 8,number 9,number 10,number 11,number 12,number 13,number 14,
number 15,number 16,number 17,number 18,number 19,number 20,number 21,number 22,
number 23,number 24,number 25,number 26,number 27,number 28,number 29,number 30,
number 31,number 32,number 33,number 34,number 35,number 36] to record"numbers"layout
set list [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0] record"hits"data
end
put 1 record"pro"data
put 1 record"how many"data
set flag "qualified" false
put 0 record"#spins"data
end

method "update hits"
begin
put 1 record"numbers"layout index
loop until record"numbers"layout = record"last N"layout
begin
end
put 100% record"numbers"layout index record"hits"data index
end

method "get number to play"
begin
clear record"play number"layout
put 0 record"run"data
duplicate record"hits" record"check"
loop until record"run"data = record"how many"data
begin
put 999999 record"min"data
put 1 record"check"data index
loop until record"check"data index > record"check"data count
begin
if record"check"data < record"min"data
begin
put 100% record"check"data record"min"data
end
end
put 1 record"check"data index
loop until record"check"data = record"min"data
begin
end
put 999999 record"check"data
put 100% record"check"data index record"numbers"layout index
copy record"numbers"layout record"play number"layout