Hi Folks
this is just for fun and has no "iron rules" you can be right or can be wrong, but as you know me: you will win >:D
you need minimum 2 or three spins to decide what you will bet.
[colors]
- RR bet on R
- BB bet on B
- RB or BR wait another spin
at the start the main rule is: Bet the dominant
and we wanna win twice
first example:
RR we start betting R followed by RR stop and start new
second example:
RR we start betting R followed by B
RRB we bet R we win with R
RRBR now we bet on a mirror: RRBRr we win with R
RRBRR the mirror is complete and we have won 2 times, stop and start new
third example:
RR we start betting R followed by B
RRB we bet R we win with R
RRBR now we bet on a mirror: RRBRr we lose with B
RRBRB
[/colors]
[highlight]now let me explain the mirror: the blank is the "mirror"[colors]
RRR RRR
RRR BBB
but the mirror can stand also on a spin:
RRR B RRR
or between 2 spins:
RRR BR BBB[/colors]
[/highlight]
[colors]
now there are two mirrors possible:
RRBRBrr
or
RRBRBb
here we bet on the "wider"(longer) mirror R
If there is a R we get RRBRBR and play the R again for mirror RRBRBRr
If there is a B we get RRBRBB and we have the mirror RRB RRB so we bet the dominant again R
[/colors]
The mirror is what you "imagine to get a mirror" as always you can be wrong or you can be right.
If you go and play with that on a peace of paper, you will see how often mirrors will appear there.
Of course you will be wrong much more than you will be right.
If you´re interested I will show you how to win with it.
br
winkel
Winkel,
I am interested. I know and trust GUT so believe you when you say you can show how to win with this.
As usual - i suspect that there will be plenty of doubters. Please do not let these people put you off.
I certainly would like to know more
Lets hear how to win with it Winkel!
Nice winkel, what a great post and thanks for sharing.
Have you some test results or do you want me to get some for you!
Do you have any suggestion for a staking plan?
Cheers and happy winnings to all...
LS
Well i think i get this and want to test it but i don't see for how many attempts you aim to hit two wins, is it until you hit two loses?
LS
I didn´t test this long-term. I just play it waiting for my crossings.
There are much more difficult situations, so it is much to early to start a test.
e.g. Including the Zero
The Zero can be a mirror-point
[colors]
RRR 0 BBB
RR 0 RR
BR 0 RB
I also can read the Zero as the "colour I don´t bet"
R0RR BBB. This would lead to a bet on B
RR0R BBR. This would lead to a bet on B
RR0R BRB. This would lead to a bet on B
[/colors]
The opposite examples are always included.
You just have to take any spins and try to find these mirrors first. If you have problems or difficult situations just put them in and I will give you a hint. Please put in also 5 spins before that questionable situation
br
winkel
Quote from: lucky strike on January 05, 2009, 05:50:28 PM
Well i think i get this and want to test it but i don't see for how many attempts you aim to hit two wins, is it until you hit two loses?
LS
It is simple: These mirrors sometimes become a length of >7 If you picked it you easily take a Double-Win
You lose very often your single-bet and a normal pogression will kill you.
It is actually not the bet-selection that makes you win, it is the progression. but that I will explain much later. I don´t wanna confuse people too much. >:D
br
winkel
Thanks for your contribution and i am looking forward to following this post, it looks great :)
Cheers LS
The Carsch progression could fit into it? 2 wins -1 unit, 2 losses +1 unit.
Hermes
Quote from: hermes on January 05, 2009, 06:23:19 PM
The Carsch progression could fit into it? 2 wins -1 unit, 2 losses +1 unit.
Hermes
Hermes
Would you please explain this progression?
Sam
Here an example
[table=,]
Mirror expected , spin , Bet-Selection , Result , W/L , ,
wait , 29 , , , , ,
wait , 24 , , , , ,
[colors]BBB[/colors] , 24 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]BBBB[/colors] , 8 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]BBBBB[/colors] , 23 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , L , ,
[colors]BRB[/colors] , 1 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , L , ,
[colors]BBB RRR[/colors] , 7 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]BBBB RRRR[/colors] , 0 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , , L , The Zero is B ,
[colors]BB RRR BB[/colors] , 18 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , L , ,
[colors]RR B RR[/colors] , 3 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]RRR B RRR[/colors] , 26 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , ,
[colors]RBR RBR[/colors] , 36 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]RRBR RBRR[/colors] , 5 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]RRRBR RBRRR[/colors] , 9 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]BRRRBR RBRRRB[/colors] , 4 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]BBRRRBR RBRRRBB[/colors] , 24 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]BBBRRRBR RBRRRBBB[/colors] , 9 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , L , ,
[colors]RRB BRR[/colors] , 31 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , ,
[colors]BB R BB[/colors] , 13 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]RBB R BBR[/colors] , 11 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , Mirror broken ,
[colors]BBBB[/colors] , 30 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , L , ,
[colors]BRB B BRB[/colors] , 4 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]BBRB B BRBB[/colors] , 28 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]RBBR BBB RBBR[/colors] , 28 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , ,
[colors]RBBB R BBBR[/colors] , 24 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , Mirror broken ,
[colors]BBBBB[/colors] , 25 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , L , ,
[colors]BRB[/colors] , 6 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]BBRBB[/colors] , 21 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , L , ,
[colors]BRBRB[/colors] , 35 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]BBRBRBRBB[/colors] , 30 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , L , ,
[colors]BRBRBRB[/colors] , 16 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , L , ,
[colors]BBBRB RBRRR[/colors] , 36 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]BBBBRB RBRRRR[/colors] , 29 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , ,
[colors]RB RRR BR[/colors] , 8 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , Mirror broken ,
[colors]RRR BBB[/colors] , 29 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , ,
[colors]BRRR BBBR[/colors] , 12 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , ,
[/table]
Thanks for your explanations Winkel! :thumbsup:
I see you have learned to use [colors] tag inside a table using the [table=,] tag!
Just excellent.
Best regards.
Your friend,
Victor
@ Winkel
Hey. Have you considered taking Victor's offer on Your own section on the board?
I'm missing Mr. Chips and therefore I need a double-dose of you for balance :)
Seriously, your knowledge of roulette and systems, particularly GUT is sure to attract many rouletters!
Please say yes?!
Is it works only on live roulette? Keep posting your results please!
Thanks.
Quote from: VLSroulette on January 05, 2009, 11:45:38 PM
I see you have learned to use [colors] tag inside a table using the [table=,] tag!
Best regards.
Your friend,
Victor
Hi victor,
two more questions because I could need this on here:
1. I can´t find the tag for the numbers to color them up
2. Is it a very big work to "color" Hi/Low" and "Ev/Odd" as well?
thx for your help
br
winkel
Quote from: RouletteBR on January 06, 2009, 12:04:50 AM
Is it works only on live roulette? Keep posting your results please!
Thanks.
All my strategies work on all kinds of generators: live-wheels, RNG´s and Touchscreens with air-balls.
This is one of my "Games for waiting", I just found them by watching "what is going on". I don´t have results-records of them.
I hate progressions, but this is only to play with a progression.
br
winkel
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on January 05, 2009, 11:52:22 PM
@ Winkel
Hey. Have you considered taking Victor's offer on Your own section on the board?
I'm missing Mr. Chips and therefore I need a double-dose of you for balance :)
Seriously, your knowledge of roulette and systems, particularly GUT is sure to attract many rouletters!
Please say yes?!
Hi proof,
i am dump and stupid. this would be too complicated to handle for me. :o
I´m glad to be able to use my computer and to write English.
thx and br
winkel
Hi Folks,
I would need some comments, if you can follow this idea so far, so that I can go on with the progression.
br
winkel
winkel,
all is making sense so far. in theory. i think the true knowledge is gained by trials and testing and that is the next phase.
What we know is that if we manage to catch a mirror we will have for sure a Double-Win
also if a mirror breaks we almost get a row of the same colour so we catch all rows >3 and so get also Double-Wins
When we start with a losing streak we need a progression that doesn´t kill our bankroll
When we start with a winning-streak we would like to win more than 1 unit, that means we wanna play a parlay or a winning-progression.
The problem is to combine both strategies with just one progression-type
lets look at the Martingale
we cannot play the martingale as a winning-prog because if the loss comes too early we will lose all
a Labouchere would be too long because if the row is long we will need half the number of losses to get a win at all
a DÁlembert wouldn´t work either
The progression I found which works both ways is the Fibonacci-Row
we can pimp the Fibonacci to our bankroll and risk
the normal Fibonacci
1
1
2
3
5
8
13
21
34
55
89
144
233
the sharper version
1
2
3
5
etc.
what we know is that as a losing-progression we need a double-win at the end to get a Plus
we can slow down the Fibonacci if we don´t progress after a win but stay on the last bet-size
L 1 -1
L 1 -2
L 2 -4
L 3 -7
L 5 -12
W 8 -4
W 13 +9
OR
L 1 -1
L 1 -2
L 2 -4
L 3 -7
L 5 -12
W 8 -4
W 8 +4
as we see in the example there will be streaks of WLWLWL which would heat the progression up before a Double win happens.
I will give examples with the above table
How about
1
1
1
2
3
5
8
13
21
34
55
89
Cheers LS
My 2 cents is no progression should increase before 1 1 1.
L 1
W 1
W 1 +1
L 1
L 1
W 1 +0
W 1
W 1
W 1
W 1 +4
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +3
W 1 +4
L 1
L 1
W 1 +3
L 1
W 1
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +2
W 1 +3
L 1
L 1
W 1 +2
L 1
W 1
W 1 +3
L 1
L 1
W 1 +2
W 1
W 1 +4
L 1
W 1
W 1 +5
L 1
L 1
W 1 +4
W 1
W 1
W 1 +7
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1 +8
L 1
L 1
L 1
L 2
W 3 +6
W 1
W 1 +8
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1
W 1 +10
L 1
W 1
W 1 +11
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1 +12
L 1
L 1
W 1 +11
W 1
W 1 +13
L 1
L 1
W 1 +12
W 1
W 1
W 1 +15
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +14
W 1 +15
L 1
L 1
L 1
L 2
W 3 +13
W 1
W 1 +15
Cheers LS
How we play the Fibonacci:
we just work it upwards til it meets a WW
If we start with a WWWWW than we bet it also straight up til the first loss
There we decide:
- If there is a nice win we stop the Prog and restart it
- If there is no win or a very smal win we get straight ahead with the progression
pls see the tables:
first table: normal Fibonacci
[table=,]
WL , Fibo , pays , win/Los , tot
W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 1
W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 2
L , 2 , 0 , -2 , 0
L , 3 , 0 , -3 , -3
W , 5 , 10 , 5 , 2
L , 8 , 0 , -8 , -6
L , 13 , 0 , -13 , -19
W , 21 , 42 , 21 , 2
L , 34 , 0 , -34 , -32
W , 55 , 110 , 55 , 23
W , 89 , 178 , 89 , 112
W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 113
W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 114
W , 2 , 4 , 2 , 116
L , 3 , 0 , -3 , 113
L , 5 , 0 , -5 , 108
W , 8 , 16 , 8 , 116
L , 13 , 0 , -13 , 103
L , 21 , 0 , -21 , 82
W , 34 , 68 , 34 , 116
W , 55 , 110 , 55 , 171
L , 1 , 0 , -1 , 170
L , 1 , 0 , -1 , 169
L , 2 , 0 , -2 , 167
W , 3 , 6 , 3 , 170
L , 5 , 0 , -5 , 165
W , 8 , 16 , 8 , 173
L , 13 , 0 , -13 , 160
L , 21 , 0 , -21 , 139
W , 34 , 68 , 34 , 173
L , 55 , 0 , -55 , 118
L , 89 , 0 , -89 , 29
W , 144 , 288 , 144 , 173
W , 233 , 466 , 233 , 406
, , , ,
, 984 , 1390 , 406 ,
[/table]
total win 406 units this is a return of 41,26%
next table the sharp way
[table=,]
WL , , Fibo , pays , win/Los , tot
W , , 1 , 2 , 1 , 1
W , , 2 , 4 , 2 , 3
L , , 3 , 0 , -3 , 0
L , , 5 , 0 , -5 , -5
W , , 8 , 16 , 8 , 3
L , , 13 , 0 , -13 , -10
L , , 21 , 0 , -21 , -31
W , , 34 , 68 , 34 , 3
L , , 55 , 0 , -55 , -52
W , , 89 , 178 , 89 , 37
W , , 144 , 288 , 144 , 181
W , , 1 , 2 , 1 , 182
W , , 2 , 4 , 2 , 184
W , , 3 , 6 , 3 , 187
L , , 5 , 0 , -5 , 182
L , , 8 , 0 , -8 , 174
W , , 13 , 26 , 13 , 187
L , , 21 , 0 , -21 , 166
L , , 34 , 0 , -34 , 132
W , , 55 , 110 , 55 , 187
W , , 89 , 178 , 89 , 276
L , , 1 , 0 , -1 , 275
L , , 2 , 0 , -2 , 273
L , , 3 , 0 , -3 , 270
W , , 5 , 10 , 5 , 275
L , , 8 , 0 , -8 , 267
W , , 13 , 26 , 13 , 280
L , , 21 , 0 , -21 , 259
L , , 34 , 0 , -34 , 225
W , , 55 , 110 , 55 , 280
L , , 89 , 0 , -89 , 191
L , , 144 , 0 , -144 , 47
W , , 233 , 466 , 233 , 280
W , , 377 , 754 , 377 , 657
, , , , ,
, , 1591 , 2248 , 657 ,
[/table]
total win 657 units which is a return of 41,29% (only 0,03% better than the normal)
last table the slow version (repeat last win-bet-size)
[table=,]
WL , Fibo , pays , win/Los , tot
W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 1
W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 2
L , 2 , 0 , -2 , 0
L , 3 , 0 , -3 , -3
W , 5 , 10 , 5 , 2
L , 5 , 0 , -5 , -3
L , 8 , 0 , -8 , -11
W , 13 , 26 , 13 , 2
L , 13 , 0 , -13 , -11
W , 21 , 42 , 21 , 10
W , 21 , 42 , 21 , 31
W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 32
W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 33
W , 2 , 4 , 2 , 35
L , 3 , 0 , -3 , 32
L , 5 , 0 , -5 , 27
W , 8 , 16 , 8 , 35
L , 8 , 0 , -8 , 27
L , 13 , 0 , -13 , 14
W , 21 , 42 , 21 , 35
W , 21 , 42 , 21 , 56
L , 1 , 0 , -1 , 55
L , 1 , 0 , -1 , 54
L , 2 , 0 , -2 , 52
W , 3 , 6 , 3 , 55
L , 3 , 0 , -3 , 52
W , 5 , 10 , 5 , 57
L , 5 , 0 , -5 , 52
L , 8 , 0 , -8 , 44
W , 13 , 26 , 13 , 57
L , 13 , 0 , -13 , 44
L , 21 , 0 , -21 , 23
W , 34 , 68 , 34 , 57
W , 34 , 68 , 34 , 91
, , , ,
, 319 , 410 , 91 ,
[/table]
total win of 91 units which is a return of 28,53%
your choice
br
winkel
Nice Winkel.
LS
I play that game only at the start of the table or my RNG-Session.
I play it till the first win and stop then. So I have no experience on long-term or continous play.
I beg you to play it on paper first. There are some more critical situations, but I am not able to produce them.
So don´t hesitate to give your examples that I can give you hints.
First of all you need a bankroll that can cope with a bet up to 377 units which needs a bankroll of 1000 units at minimum.
br
winkel
Winkel,
Good to see you back and posting / sharing ideas.
Too much winning is not nice with this
But look at this long Mirroring
Today Wiesbaden Touchbet 2
[table=,]Mirror expected , spin , Bet-Selection , Result , W/L , , , , , ,
wait , 21 , , , , , WL , Fibo , pays , win/Los , tot
wait , 21 , , , , , , , , ,
[colors]RRR[/colors] , 10 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , , L , 1 , 0 , -1 , -1
[colors]RRBR[/colors] , 9 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , , W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 0
[colors]RRBRR[/colors] , 9 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , MIRROR END , W , 2 , 4 , 2 , 2
[colors]RRR[/colors] , 36 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , , W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 3
[colors]RRR[/colors] , 28 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , , L , 1 , 0 , -1 , 2
[colors]RBR[/colors] , 2 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , Mirror broken , L , 2 , 0 , -2 , 0
[colors]RRR BBB[/colors] , 24 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , , W , 3 , 6 , 3 , 3
[colors]RRR BBB R[/colors] , 21 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , , W , 5 , 10 , 5 , 8
[colors]RRR BBB RR[/colors] , 9 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , , W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 9
[colors]RRR BBB RRR[/colors] , 7 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , , W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 10
[colors]RRR BBB RRR B[/colors] , 2 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , , W , 2 , 4 , 2 , 12
[colors]B RRR BBB RRR B R[/colors] , 27 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , , W , 3 , 6 , 3 , 15
[colors]B RRR BBB RRR B RR[/colors] , 20 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , , L , 5 , 0 , -5 , 10
[colors]RBRBR[/colors] , 36 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , , W , 8 , 16 , 8 , 18
[colors]RRBRBRR[/colors] , 36 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , , W , 13 , 26 , 13 , 31
[colors]RRRBRBRRR[/colors] , 36 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , , W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 32
[colors]BRRRBRBRRRB[/colors] , 8 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , , W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 33
[colors]BBRRRBRBRRRBB[/colors] , 31 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , , W , 2 , 4 , 2 , 35
[colors]BBBRRRBRBRRRBBB[/colors] , 35 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , , W , 3 , 6 , 3 , 38
[colors]RBBBRRRBRBRRRBBBR[/colors] , 29 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , Mirror broken , L , 5 , 0 , -5 , 33
[/table]
Hi.
This is how it looks like if you play to win once using the progression i mention above.
Drawdown -1 unit. High peak +4 units.
W 1 +1
W 1 +2
L 1 +1
L 1 +0
W 1 +1
L 1 +0
L 1 -1
W 1 +0
L 1 -1
W 1 +0
W 1 +1
W 1 +2
W 1 +3
W 1 +4
L 1 +3
L 1 +2
W 1 +3
L 1 +2
L 1 +1
W 1 +2
W 1 +3
L 1 +2
L 1 +1
L 1 +0
W 2 +2
L 1 +1
W 1 +2
L 1 +1
L 1 +0
W 1 +1
W 1 +2
---------
Drawdown -1 unit. High peak +11 units.
L 1 -1
W 1 +0
W 1 +1
W 1 +2
L 1 +1
L 1 +0
W 1 +1
W 1 +2
W 1 +3
W 1 +4
W 1 +5
W 1 +6
L 1 +5
W 1 +6
W 1 +7
W 1 +8
W 1 +9
W 1 +10
W 1 +11
L 1 +10
Cheers LS
Today also Wiesbaden Table 9 starting at noon.
When I came in there were alredy numbers so I started with the last number that was 32
I stopped when I had a long mirror and didn´t wanna get in a losing streak. but I comment the further spins
[table=,]
Mirror expected , spin , Bet-Selection , Result , W/L , , , , , ,
wait , 32 , , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , , Mirror broken , WL , Fibo , pays , win/Los , tot
wait , 24 , , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , , , , , , ,
wait , 7 , , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , , , , , 0 , 0 , 0
[colors]RBRB[/colors] , 2 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , , W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 1
[colors]RBRBR[/colors] , 9 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , , W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 2
[colors]RBRBR[/colors] , 30 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , L , MIRROR END , L , 2 , 0 , -2 , 0
[colors]RRR[/colors] , 22 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , , L , 3 , 0 , -3 , -3
[colors]RBRRBR[/colors] , 30 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , , W , 5 , 10 , 5 , 2
[colors]BRBRRBRB[/colors] , 24 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , , W , 8 , 16 , 8 , 10
[colors]RBRBRRBRBR[/colors] , 13 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , , L , 1 , 0 , -1 , 9
[colors]BRRB RBBR[/colors] , 24 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , , L , 1 , 0 , -1 , 8
[colors]BBBB[/colors] , 6 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , , W , 2 , 4 , 2 , 10
[colors]BBBBB[/colors] , 25 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , L , , L , 3 , 0 , -3 , 7
[colors]BR BBBB RB[/colors] , 3 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , L , , L , 5 , 0 , -5 , 2
[colors]BBB RRR[/colors] , 21 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , , W , 8 , 16 , 8 , 10
[colors]BBBB RRRR[/colors] , 16 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , W , , W , 13 , 26 , 13 , 23
[colors]R BBBB RRRR B[/colors] , 26 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , , W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 24
[colors]BR BBBB RRRR BR[/colors] , 26 , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , L , , L , 1 , 0 , -1 , 23
[colors]BBBRR RRBBB[/colors] , 20 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , , W , 2 , 4 , 2 , 25
[colors]BBBBRR RRBBBB[/colors] , 33 , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , [COLORS]B[/COLORS] , W , , W , 3 , 6 , 3 , 28
, 12 , , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , , , 0 , , 0 , 0 , 28
, 5 , , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , , , 0 , , 0 , 0 , 28
, 3 , , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , , , 0 , , 0 , 0 , 28
, 23 , , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , , , 0 , , 0 , 0 , 28
, 27 , , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , , , 0 , , 0 , 0 , 28
, 36 , , [COLORS]R[/COLORS] , , , 0 , , 0 , 0 , 28
[/table]
as you see the mirror would have stayed another 4 spins
Today came a mirror I didn´t explain:
if we have a mirror ended or broken it usually starts a row
[colors]BRRB RBBR[/colors] result was black and we have [colors]BBBB[/colors] so we start to bet a row and go on with [colors]BBB[/colors]
next came [colors]BBBB RRRR[/colors] this is a complete mirror the spin before that is a [colors]R[/colors]
we have to read this:
4times B and four times opposite
before that was opposite so after 4 times read follows opposite
br
winkel
@Lucky Strike
I said I hate progressions. :-\
Your way to make the Fibonacci slow is surely a good idea.
What I always learned with slow progressions is this:
We are trying to win in the next few spins. We don´t wanna play a progression a long run.
Is the progression slow I minimize my wins.
Is the progression too fast I wll be caught at the limits (the banks or my bankrolls)
But e.g.
If you compare the Martingale and the Grand Martingale
The GM is only 1 step shorter than the Martingale but multiplies your wins by the numbers of steps played.
It is always the St-Petersburg-Paradoxon:
People are always too frightend even if they see a good chance.
With the Martingales you can survive about 12 steps (In Germany 3500 times Table-minimum)
With the GrandMartingale 11 steps
With the Fibo you can survive 18 steps!
step Fibo Mg GMg
1 1 1 1
2 1 2 3
3 2 4 7
4 3 8 15
5 5 16 31
6 8 32 63
7 13 64 127
8 21 128 255
9 34 256 511
10 55 512 1023
11 89 1024 2047
12 144 2048 4095
13 233 4096
14 377
15 610
16 987
17 1597
18 2584
19 4181
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winkel
winkel
I've spent a little time looking at your Fibo progression:
first table: normal Fibonacci
[table=,]
WL , Fibo , pays , win/Los , tot
W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 1
W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 2
L , 2 , 0 , -2 , 0
L , 3 , 0 , -3 , -3
W , 5 , 10 , 5 , 2
L , 8 , 0 , -8 , -6
L , 13 , 0 , -13 , -19
W , 21 , 42 , 21 , 2
L , 34 , 0 , -34 , -32
W , 55 , 110 , 55 , 23
W , 89 , 178 , 89 , 112
W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 113
W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 114
W , 2 , 4 , 2 , 116
L , 3 , 0 , -3 , 113
L , 5 , 0 , -5 , 108
W , 8 , 16 , 8 , 116
L , 13 , 0 , -13 , 103
L , 21 , 0 , -21 , 82
W , 34 , 68 , 34 , 116
W , 55 , 110 , 55 , 171
L , 1 , 0 , -1 , 170
L , 1 , 0 , -1 , 169
L , 2 , 0 , -2 , 167
W , 3 , 6 , 3 , 170
L , 5 , 0 , -5 , 165
W , 8 , 16 , 8 , 173
L , 13 , 0 , -13 , 160
L , 21 , 0 , -21 , 139
W , 34 , 68 , 34 , 173
L , 55 , 0 , -55 , 118
L , 89 , 0 , -89 , 29
W , 144 , 288 , 144 , 173
W , 233 , 466 , 233 , 406
, , , ,
, 984 , 1390 , 406 ,
[/table]
total win 406 units this is a return of 41,26%
Would it be correct to say that--win or loose--you always go until you get WW and then restart?
Sam
Hi Winkel and all.
Winkel would like to hear your opinion, do you think its better to aim for 1 or 2 wins in a row?
Cheers Lucky Strike
[table=,]WL , Fibo , pays , win/Los , tot
, , , ,
L , 1 , 0 , -1 , -1
L , 1 , 0 , -1 , -2
L , 2 , 0 , -2 , -4
W , 3 , 6 , 3 , -1
W , 5 , 10 , 5 , 4
[/table]
as you see, we need a double win to get a plus using the Fibo.
The system guarantees a double when we catch a mirror.
Quote-win or lose--you always go until you get WW and then restart?
Hi TCS mainly yes!
There are special start-rules:
Imagine we start with a winning-streak
w
w
w
w
w
if we stop here at a double and restart we would always win just 1 unit per spin
So we play and progress in the win til one L
[table=,]WL , Fibo , pays , win/Los , tot
, , , ,
W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 1
W , 1 , 2 , 1 , 2
W , 2 , 4 , 2 , 4
W , 3 , 6 , 3 , 7
W , 5 , 10 , 5 , 12
L , 8 , 0 , -8 , 4
[/table]
there we have to decide if we go on with progression or we stop with a +4