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Title: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: berlinerbruce on January 13, 2009, 12:19:31 PM
Hi lads

great job victor, nice and dark

just thought id share my week in Poland with you all

any comment or help would be much appreciated

#s 19 6 5 34 are looking promising

can anyone see anything else

all the best

BerlinerBruce
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: VLSroulette on January 13, 2009, 05:13:13 PM
I'm glad you liked the layout Bruce,

Hum... Nice & Dark... doesn't sound like place to bake cookies!  ;)

Cheers mate.  :)
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: berlinerbruce on January 16, 2009, 10:00:39 AM
Hi Vic ;)

I hear ya brother oh i hear you OK ;)

but you see vic i was trying to make them in the dark for so long that i thought id never get em baked :thumbsup:

until HERB came along, yes our very own Herb

now he definitely shed some light on the matter ;)

and  you know what he wouldn't let me taste a crumb, no sir not even a sniff

i even said  please herb

nope said he, no no NO was the reply

go and make your own he said, give me just a lick from the bowl then,i asked

what part of no don't you understand he replied ;D ;D ;D

but, and here's the big BUT  ::)

HERB GAVE ME HIS OWN PERSONAL RECEIPE :thumbsup:

so off i set to Poland to try and make my very first cookies ;)

well well well what you know, i made my own cookies

just click on the attachments above and you'll see how those babies turned out ;D

thx for your reply Vic ;)

and Herb a BIG THX to you :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

all the best lads

BerlinerBruce
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: berlinerbruce on February 22, 2009, 06:43:20 PM
Ok Lads

boy have i been busy

tracking tracking and more tracking

time will tell, Poland will be getting a visit soon

but here in berlin things are hotting up also

i now got a 3 sector with 3sd and a single # of nearls 4sd

as always herb has the final word, but we are close

thx for all that has helped me so far hope i can contrubute farther also

ps here is direct link to a forum that seems to deal more with matters from the darkside ::)

nolinks://rouletteplace.com/index.php/board,1.0.html (nolinks://rouletteplace.com/index.php/board,1.0.html)

all the best
BerlinerBruce
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: berlinerbruce on April 29, 2009, 09:25:37 AM
Hi Lads
just to let you know that I'm  still under cover for the Dark Side :thumbsup:

I just dug this up nolinks://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,562.0.html (nolinks://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,562.0.html)

Have it from a good authority that its easy to learn, VB2 they call it

PS it was good enough to make the Snowmans ears stand on end ;D

All the best

Bruce
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Kingpin on April 29, 2009, 02:19:30 PM
Good job Berliner Bruce!

The Dark Side Salutes You!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside(now thats cheating)
Post by: berlinerbruce on May 30, 2009, 05:43:28 AM
Hi lads
Awhile back, and in heated debate a member an I where discussing advantage  play.

He maintained that AP was cheating,I said cheating is stealing chips off the table!!! :rtfm:

OR past posting,

IE, placing bets on after the result. :nono:

So here's a link that should help clear matters up

nolinks://nolinks.richardmarcusbooks.com/video.html

regards

BerlinerBruce
(If Ive done something wrong here as concerning copyright then please remove thx)
Title: Re: Herb,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,my Family thx you
Post by: berlinerbruce on July 22, 2009, 07:29:02 AM
Hi lads

just got back from Poland

a week of shear pleasure at the casinos expence

on my last visit to the casino I poped into the bank to get some money for my family as they where going to stay a week longer and I was going back to berlin to work  :(

What the xxxx, no available funds,I couldnt beleive it,,

mmmmmmm, what was going to do, well I had enough to get back to berlin but not enough to give my wife any

We had decided that if my 2 girls where going to stay I would have to leave them money or they come back with me
(but my daughter was having so much fun with the grandparents and the local kids we both thought it would be best that they stayed(either way it was going to cost me)

Somehow it didnt seem right, I was wailking down the stairs to the casino, I stood there with no expresion on my face , just lööking at the two casino staff smileing at me

well because of the exchange rate and one Zloty(POLISH CURENCY) giving me 2 points at the wheel I went for it.

Well what had I to lose I thought to myself

god and did I, but all the signs where there,the SD on all #s where up from previous days, I expect it was just the randomnesss of the wheel.I got to admit Herb did warn me a this could happen
(the following bets where, 2 units on 6 2 units on 19 and 2 un its on 34, and a single unit on street 4-6 which had a plus 3 SD)
But no stop just look at the last 20 or so #s

They came in THEY BLOODY CAME IN.I went down to about 84 units,lol and man was I praying to break even(ok in real terms it aint a hell of alot of money)and BANG in it came 19
yup 19, this put me this put at about 156 units(I think)

I was close to my starting BR and had been sent a life line
BANG 6 came in soon after

I not only got back what I started out with I was infront(about 27 units) and I stood up and put my jacket on and pressed the rebet button.Lol I then took it back off again,,,,,,yup 6 came in again(I had 2 units on it and I also had street 4-6. This time the jacket was going on and staying on pressed rebet and let the BR go down to 300
units

I literaly ran home to my family to tell of my small fotune that I had acheived

I told my wife of how Herb  had helped me learn about bias
Herb,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,my Family thx you

I left my Family and gave the BR to my daughter which inturn toddled off to Mama,,,,,,,,,,saying Mama Mama ,,,,,

muney muney

to all bias players,,,,,,do your sums right never follow a hunch and never ignore your data

all the best lads

BerlinerBruce
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Lanky on July 22, 2009, 07:52:40 AM
Hi Bruce.

Mate what A great ending that was for You Cobber.

The Wife & I are so happy for You & and Your Family Buddy.

@ Herb

Thanks for helping My Mate Bruce & His Family.

Lanky.
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Shorty on July 22, 2009, 10:31:57 AM
Brilliant stuff Bruce, that's awesome.
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: berlinerbruce on July 22, 2009, 12:26:23 PM
Thx lads for the kind words

btw does anyone know how much i should have betted on these #s

i cant seem to get my head round this kelly criterion thingy
::)

any quistions please ask

all the best

Bruce
Title: Re: Chi 67 PLUS
Post by: berlinerbruce on September 20, 2009, 05:14:51 AM
Ok Lads,,,sorry for the wait but think it was a prob with the forum

if you run this data through RX or similar youll see the chi-square whent to nearly 70 (CASINO INDUSTRY NORM is 50-55,above this they beleive the wheel has turned bias and can lead to advantage players to take advantage of the abnormalitys of the wheel) and I took full advantage betting only 1% of my BR.

Again I draw your attention to #s 19 6 34   ,,,also street 4-6(ALTHOUGH THATS COINCIDENCE IT STILL PAID OFF)

Chi as it stands at ATM is 58 plus

Hey ,would you know that wednesday i walked down the steps for my usuall dose bias play and SHOCK    HORROR  THERE was a technician there :swoon:

I wnet strait for the jugular,,,,do you speak english I asked him,,,, a little he replied,,,, what you doing to the machine I asked him,,,a service maintenence

No he repied. PHeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew man was i releived ,,,6 months work could have been rendered useless,,,,,,, a new program was being installed as old one had proven to have a flaw in and ppl where taking advantage and costing the poor casino profits(NOW WE DONT WANT THAT ;;;DO WE??????)

Sorry lads he tried to explain how they where doing it but his english really wasnt that good ,,,,,,but he had to wait for a part to be delivered by express post so we had a chat over some strong Polish coffee.

I asked him to explain to one member of staff what i was doing writing down the spin results,,,,,(told him i was playing hot numbers,,,,,,,and one casino staaf member actually snatched pen out of my hand one day and boy did i protest so i wanted to clear things up)

We had quite an interesting chat and nearly ended up telling the tech man what I was all about(he did nt work direct for casino and was clrearly unhappy at his job)

I told him that I run stats through my computer program and next day I bet acordingly to the info

Then I semi joked with him and asked if he had checked the data to see wheel was ok,,,,,he said it was not in his job sheet and laughed and said that ok maybe the numbers will stay HOT for a month max and wheel would even out and other numbers would take the lead

I said what about this info i got now ,,,,,,,,,mmmmmmmm he said ok then ill look for you

I AINT JOKING YOU   WE BOTH WALKED UP TO THE MONITER AND HE HIT THE BUTON ON HIS LAPTOP 8(casino is a joke 12 slots and and a six seeter touch bet)

VERY CASUAL I LOOKED AND COULD SEE THE WORD HISTORIA ,,,,,,,,IT DID NT TAKE MUCH FOR ME TO WORK OUT WHAT THAT MENT

LOL he said sorry but data has been wiped out by new program,no spin data shit

and I leaned this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no data is sent to main casino HQ or direct to the casino staff,,,he said if machine really has a bias it turns off and recalobrates

mmmmmmmmthis day i had 67 chi and it did not turn itself off,,,,,fully auotmatic he said

then just let sleeping dogs lye,,,,,,as my old dad says ,,,,if its nae brokin sun then dinae try ta fix it :haha: :lol:

thank the patron saint of roulette for ignorance

i now will share the where abouts of the wheel with a member here at the forum

yes it for you trybolit you know where it is and good luck to you

look forward to meeting you in Poland  xxxxxxxxxxx

all the best lads
Bruce
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Marven on September 20, 2009, 05:32:41 AM
Bruce! Good to hear from you.

Interesting story mate, thanks for sharing it.

Lol, It's great how casino personnel and people who work for them often don't have a clue as far as advantage play is concerned. :haha:

I have definitely noticed the same.

All the best to you my friend.
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: VLSroulette on September 20, 2009, 07:59:22 AM
Great for sharing dear Bruce.  :good:

Quote from: Marven on September 20, 2009, 05:32:41 AM
It's great how casino personnel and people who work for them often don't have a clue as far as advantage play is concerned.

That is directly proportional to:

1) Does the location depends heavily on gambling revenue?
(At Vegas and other gambling-dependent locations one might expect more awareness regarding advantage play from the staff).

2) Is the device profitable?
As long as they are earning enough profit from a defective device I guess they won't bother replacing it. I've seen casinos WITHOUT any marquee and no data collection from members of the staff. They just spin that wheel and as long as they make money with it, the device is assumed to be good.
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Davey-Jones on September 20, 2009, 01:36:15 PM
It is also a big help when the overwhelming majority of casino personally believe that the game is completely random. Sometimes dealers will offer you "Friendly" advice. I don't think they are trying to thwart you, it's just the advice is rather ridiculous because they are rather uneducated despite how involved in the game they are. I once was told by a former dealer that the only way to win roulette was by playing a martingale on sleepers. The funny thing is, this advice is all based on the assumption that the game is a totally random event. Last night I was at a local casino. I was playing a 3 pocket sector with a biased number, betting 1 number and 2 streets. If I could have just bet the one number I would have. But then it would have been too obvious what I was doing, taking advantage of a temporary bias. Anyway, a friend playing the same table was just playing 3 numbers himself only he was playing them each straight up. It was just the two of us playing the table at the time and then she started to give my friend a hard time for only playing 3 numbers. Saying things like "I've been around this game a long time." and "You never win that way. The only to win is by covering most of the numbers." I wanted badly to make a side bet that I could win just by playing 1 number, but knew better. This lady didn't understand that we weren't trying to win every spin, but 1 in 10 or so. And it didn't matter how many numbers or how few numbers we played there was still a house edge against us. Although we had a temporary edge over the house (based on a condition at the tim) and won that night and the previous nights she was still sure that my friend was, and I quote "Burning your money". All I can say is God Bless the skeptics in the gaming industry. Even if we outright told them what we were doing I think a good number would simply see us as just another hopeful who thinks he's found the next big thing.
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: berlinerbruce on September 20, 2009, 03:10:12 PM
Quote from: VLSroulette on September 20, 2009, 07:59:22 AM
Great for sharing dear Bruce.  :good:

That is directly proportional to:

1) Does the location depends heavily on gambling revenue?
(At Vegas and other gambling-dependent locations one might expect more awareness regarding advantage play from the staff).

2) Is the device profitable?
As long as they are earning enough profit from a defective device I guess they won't bother replacing it. I've seen casinos WITHOUT any marquee and no data collection from members of the staff. They just spin that wheel and as long as they make money with it, the device is assumed to be good.

Hi lads

and thx for the remarks

Vic,,,,,,you hit it on the head mate

Polish mate laughed when this happened and said something to the lass that did the dirty on me

still being peed off at the time i said HEY;;WHAT DID YOU SAY THERE,,,,,,,,,He replied and said ,,,,,,,,I told here to she would never last long in a real casino by doing thungs like that

It was nice to have some of the locals on my side

although the casino is part of a large chain in Poland theyre just happy that the money keeps rolling in,quite simply the cant expect the revenue as some casino enjoy in western EU

also ignorance and badly trained staff are so WELCOME in ADVANTAGE PLAY

ok lads,,,until the next time

cya

Bruce
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: berlinerbruce on September 20, 2009, 03:19:42 PM
Nice one Davey

good to see your efforts are paying ofF(btw how did you come on)

will catch up with you on msn
Bruce
Title: Re:BR doubled in four hours
Post by: berlinerbruce on December 28, 2009, 08:03:54 AM
Hi Lads

yesterday afternoon armed with the last data whent to the casino here in Poland

the last 180 spins~ 2000 unit BR betting 1% of BR on  mainly 19 .left with 2400 unit profit(400€-800AUD-380sterling~)

AS YOULL see i went down to about 10 units on 19,but ended session betting 44 units on 19

for a hobby AP I thought i did nt do too bad

i played it by the book totally this time but the Scottish in me said dont be betting so much on one number ....I had never betted so much money ever on any one number.but it was the rules of the betting stratergy

ok men ,if any of you can see anything that i cant let me know please

regards Bruce
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Lanky on December 28, 2009, 08:10:01 AM
Hi Bruce.

Congrats on the Win Champion.

I am pleased for You My Mate.

Lanky.
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Marven on December 28, 2009, 03:09:52 PM
Way to go Bruce. :thumbsup:

I agree that number 19 was the way to go on this wheel.

I suspect that number 26 might have shown some promise with more data collected seeing as how it has a positive SD and is surrounded by two bad numbers. I have divided the sample into two parts and analyzed them differently and this was true in both parts which is a good sign.

I could be wrong though. I suppose 4000-5000 spins would confirm if 19 is the only good number or not.



(nolinks://nolinks.fileden.com/files/2008/9/15/2099145/bias1.png)

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Title: Re:lost all what i won in four hours
Post by: berlinerbruce on December 28, 2009, 04:28:45 PM
Thx for the support Lads

today was not good,,,I noticed the weather was well covered up and that reminded what Ive read time and time again,,so I went canny like,should have started betting about 40 units plus but decided to wait and see approach,took 1% OF BR and diveded it by four dont ask my why I came to that just thought it was sencible and thought I  should bet atleast something,,,
ok youl  see by the new data that I was right?

and bang every side of 19 got hit,,maybe I learned something today,,,,,,,19 weant nearly 100 spins without comming in slow start and when it did come it was happy days ,,,,,,,was in plus again from previous session,and as i said then came the 100 spins that 19 slept(weather?????)

LEFT WHEEL EVEN,,,,,asked for taxi and as I had not enough for 20 units on 19 I split it on the old favorites that where comming back into play buuuump no luck none showed..........stood up said my goodbyes to the Lads and coooooooorva(Polish for shit) NEVER I SAID   LOOOOOK AT THE SECONS LAST RESULT :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

satid for one last spin 33 came in and left,but with a smile on my face,,,,,after all it was the casinos money that i had lost ,,,but all the same it still hurts

ok new data is below

Regards Bruce

hey Marven thx for your time on that,,,,can you see anything mate,,,this session rings bells from my past sessions

ok cya

regards Bruce
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Marven on December 28, 2009, 05:59:48 PM
Hi Bruce,

You played for 198 spins, in which number 19 had about 0 SD (break even). In my humble opinion I would say it's probably natural, don't give up on that wheel.

In the whole data set you had 3.5 SD on number 19, however I can find you 198 spins within that data set where 19 was rather 'sleeping' and had 0 SD. If the pocket is still biased, usually its SD should rise back up in the next 200 spins or so.

I would suggest you keep tracking and compare its performance to this last session of yours. If it proves to be still biased, keep on playing it.
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Homeito on December 29, 2009, 12:19:25 PM
Hi Bruce - and Marven also.

Maybe the 3-pocket sector 15-19-4 should be considered?
Look at this:
The two diagrams to the left are single numbers - 1st set and 2nd set of spins.
The two diagrams to the right are 3-numbers sectors.

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Both sectors 15-19-4 and 19-4-21 have 263 hits in 2681 spins
After 2879 spins 15-19-4 has 285 hits (+22) while 19-4-21 has 278 hits (+15).

Had you been betting only #19 for 2879 spins you had 110 hits = -2879 +3960 = +1081
Had you been betting the sector 15-19-4 for 2879 spins you had 285 hits = -8637 +10260 = +1623
Yes lower net in % of bet-amount but in the last 198 spins you hit 22 times (= +198) instead of 5 times on #19 (= -18)

I think it's worth following that sector.
Homeito Bemek
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Marven on December 29, 2009, 01:52:52 PM
Good suggestion Homeito. :thumbsup:

You should probably consider that 3 pocket sector Bruce. Like I suggested, collect some data first to confirm 19 is still biased then look at the SD for that sector, if it still seems like a better proposition go for it.
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: bene126 on January 02, 2010, 02:58:58 PM
Hi.How are you counting SD? I dont know if I am right but i think it could be this:

When i track 111 spins and number 13 has hit for 5 times its 111/100=1,11 =>  5/1,11=4,504 so this is 4,504% for number 13 and normaly is circa 2,7%.....than 4,5-2,7=1,8 and its +1,5 SD  ?
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Marven on January 02, 2010, 03:05:07 PM
Hi bene,

Check Grabb's calculators here:

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/grabb/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/grabb/)

Use the bias calculator, or the Std Deviation calculator.

The latter gives:

QuoteSTANDARD DEVIATION: Single Zero

1 numbers bet for 111 spins

5 hits = 1.1706281947614152 SD

So in this case, number 13 has a 1.17 SD
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Marven on January 02, 2010, 03:28:55 PM
P.S. Technically this isn't the SD, it's the z-score.

If you want to learn the formula, you can find it here:

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/how-to-know-when-you-have-a-good-strategy/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/how-to-know-when-you-have-a-good-strategy/)
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: bene126 on January 02, 2010, 06:20:00 PM
Thank you Marven.
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: lucky_strike on January 02, 2010, 09:14:25 PM

What is the expectations for draw-downs "fluctation" playing bias numbers?

I hope you do well :)

LS
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: berlinerbruce on January 09, 2010, 12:51:43 PM
Ok mates just back from Poland

new data is attached

soory for delay as i had no internet connection

thx too both if you,,,,,,to be honest ive just been beeting on 19 as the other neigbours really sleep for too long

i will later today post the latest from the wheel

ok mates got to go to go and many thx for your interest
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Davey-Jones on January 09, 2010, 02:54:26 PM
 That's pretty cool Bruce! Keep it up!
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Marven on January 09, 2010, 04:14:38 PM
Fantastic! Number 19 is at 4 SD.

Keep milking that wheel Bruce. :thumbsup:

If they ask you, tell them it's a magic astrological number based on you birth date. ;D
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: berlinerbruce on January 09, 2010, 10:03:11 PM
Quote from: Marven on January 09, 2010, 04:14:38 PM
Fantastic! Number 19 is at 4 SD.

Keep milking that wheel Bruce. :thumbsup:

If they ask you, tell them it's a magic astrological number based on you birth date. ;D

lMAO

I wouldnt be lying ,,,,,I was born on the 19th :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Marven on January 09, 2010, 10:08:16 PM
hahahah!

:agree:
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: berlinerbruce on January 09, 2010, 10:18:19 PM
yes Marven and the chi-sqaure on 80 plus,,,,well over the casino industry norm of 55

hey is that you up there Davey?,,,,,,,,nice to see you back in the darkside :whistle: :whistle:

im now starting to bet 50 unts each new visit,,,,,Br is at 10,000 units plus,,,,max bet allowed for simgle number is 50,so i just start at 50 units ,,,,to be faor with you all i dont see what elce i can do,,,,,and im getting heat

i asked mate what the casino assistant said to me and he replied that she had said,,,,,,,"ITS NOT NORMALL"

I geuss she ws meaning constantly winning,,,,and im simply getting to much attention from players here too(small casino)

for example when i get a win when betting high the punch the air and shake my hand :swoon: :swoon: :swoon:

but what can i do?

ok thx for following this Marven and Hometio,,,,

regards Bruce
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Marven on January 09, 2010, 10:37:53 PM
Regarding the heat, try playing some outside bets with low value chips. Take a card and a pen, track the outside bets and act like a typical system player, betting on the outside, while still playing the 50 units on your "birthdate number". :thumbsup: You can also ask a friend to place the single number bets for you while you play the outside.

Don't play too regularly and randomize your visits; and never even look at the wheel, seem only focused on the outside bets.

I see you've already reached the 5 figures. May that BR keep escalating.
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Lanky on January 10, 2010, 02:04:34 AM
Hi Bruce.

Mate I hope You continue to win Cobber.

Lanky.
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: Bo0Merang on January 10, 2010, 02:21:50 AM
Nice run Bruce !!
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: berlinerbruce on January 11, 2010, 07:09:01 AM
Heres the latest data

btw roulette program was changed wheel has 4 sec and 3 sec rotor speed

nothing drastic changed IMO
Title: Re: Under cover for the darkside
Post by: berlinerbruce on March 05, 2010, 10:09:00 AM
Hi lads

ok just posting new data from the NEW SERVICED WHEEL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

Man it was good while it lasted,played that wheel for over 2 months ,,ne w shoes for the wife and daughter and and and

ok heres what the new wheel looks like

regards Bruce