On G.G, I wrote in the Bac section that I have some inclination to develop approches that try to profit from periods of stability where two aspects of a proposition get a bit blurry as if it was not clear what was the tendency of the moment. Is it producing streaks or chops ? I qualify these times as island of stability or neutral periods. This is what my system tries to exploit.
When a new idea pop up in my mind, the first thing I look at, is its nemesis. Your chance to stay in business longer is dependent upon the nemesis of your particular idea or plan. If the nemesis is too evident to find then the system is generally not good at delivering a steady profit. Again, this aspect is terribly tough to get right using a mechanical approach, the human mind is more apt to cope with this fuzzy logic (uncertainty) then a computer. But it does not prevent me to try by developping simple rules.
This is in this spirit I tried to develop this new idea which revolves around the tracking of "singles vs series".
THE SYSTEM
Here is a small sequence with a mix of streaks and singles :
R
R
R
B 1 up < increase count +1 when you observe a streak
R 0 dw < decrease count -1 when you observe a single
R
B 1 up < increase count +1 when you observe a streak
R 0 dw < decrease count -1 when you observe a single
B -1 dw < decrease count -1 when you observe a single
B
R 0 up
Here is my suggestion to track series / singles during the course of a session. Keep a running count which will increase +1 when you observe a streak and decrease -1 when you observe a single. Look at the third column, it contains this running count (1,0,1,0,-1,0).
Let's look at the running count using a graph :
Look at the three horizontal lines (1,0,-1) representing the running count. We can easily see the horizontal line, which crosses the 0 on the vertical axe, holds 3 dots meaning our running count passed 3 times at this level.
This is precisely what the system wants to exploit, the dominant horizontal lines which form during short sequences.
I have looked at it and tested it from different angles and I came up with the following set of rules in order to play and target the dominant line of the moment in the most efficient way I could find :
FINDING THE DOMINANT HORIZONTAL LINE
Again, I'll repeat it differently as this is at the root of this system. The horizontal lines represent the value of the running count at specific intervals in time. Each dot represents an occurence or the passage of the running count at that level. In order to find which horizontal line is the most dominant at any one time, we need to log the frequency of these occurences or passages for each line individually.
For example, in the first table of this comment we have had these values for the running count : (1,0,1,0,-1,0).
You can look at it this way :
count : frequency
-----------------
-1 : *
0 : ***
1 : **
[/size]
[size=12]
RULE #1
When a series or single is clearly identified, you update both the running count and its associated frequency. You look at the two highest frequency values in your log. When there is a difference of 1 between both then you select the count which shows the highest frequency.
Ex. :
R
R
R
B 1 up
R 0 dw
R
B 1 up
At this point, we have this log :
count : frequency
-----------------
0 : *
1 : **
Looking at the two highest frequency values in this log (not difficult as we have only 2 values at this point) we note a difference of 1 between both, so we select the dominant count 1 as it shows the highest frequency.
count : frequency
-----------------
0 : *
1 : ** < dominant count identified : 1
In short, we need the frequency of at least 2 count values and a difference of at least 1 between the two highest frequencies. When there is equality between those 2 highest frequencies we do nothing.
Let's suppose we have this scenario where 3 count values (-1,0,1) are logged and with already a leading count identified :
count : frequency
-----------------
-1 : *
0 : ** < dominant count
1 : *
The count value 0 is the leader or dominant count but when a new series or single is detected we get this new updated log :
count : frequency
-----------------
-1 : **
0 : ** < dominant count
1 : *
Since 0 was already the current leader, we don't change its dominant status. In fact, when a dominant count is selected, a replacement will occur only if a greater frequency of +1 is found. The equality shown here is not an indication strong enough to conclude a new leader is emerging so in those cases we keep the current dominant count active.
[size=12]
RULE #2
Once we have identified our leader, we start to bet only when the running count moves one position away from our dominant count. Ex. if the dominant count is 1 and our running count becomes 0 then we are one position away from the dominant position. The same is true, if the running count becomes 2 then we are one position away from the dominant count or position. When this occurs, we suppose the running count will have a tendency to return to the 0 level as it is the current dominant position so we bet on Red/Black accordingly.
Using the same sequence :
R
R
R
B 1 up
R 0 dw
R
B 1 up < dominant count identified : 1
R 0 dw < one position away from 1
At this point, to see the running count returns to 1, what color do we need to back ?
Red as to go from 0 to 1 the count needs to increase and as mentionned in the tracking paragraph, the count increases +1 when we observe a streak. A streak at this point means Red would keep hitting.
So what happened ?
R
R
R
B 1 up
R 0 dw
R
B 1 up < dominant count identified : 1
R 0 dw < one position away from 1
B -1 dw < we lost
When we lose, we artificially set the frequency of the current dominant count value equal to 1 and search a new dominant among the frequencies of our count logged up to this point. In this example, the dominant count 1 had this frequency 2 so we change it to 1 in order to identify a new leader among our new updated log :
BEFORE UPDATE:
count : frequency
-----------------
-1 : *
0 : **
1 : ** < dominant count
AFTER UPDATE:
count : frequency
-----------------
-1 : *
0 : ** < new dominant count
1 : * < previous dominant reset to 1
OK now we have a new dominant count identified which is 0 and we are at a spin position which coincides with the detection of a single which place the running count at -1 at exactly one position away of our dominant count.
So to see the running count -1 returns to 0 what color do we need to back ?
Here is what we have :
R
R
R
B 1 up
R 0 dw
R
B 1 up
R 0 dw < dominant count identified : 0
B -1 dw < one position away from 0
? / ? < what color do we need to back ?
Remember, we increase +1 when we observe a streak and decrease -1 when we observe a single. Then to see the running count returns to 0 we'd need to see a streak. The answer is Black as we need to bet Black to see a possible streak of Black at this position.
And fortunately this is what we got.
[/size]
[size=12]Here is a more elaborate example using spins from Wiesbaden table 2 - 25 February, 2008.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnsa01.casimages.com%2Fimg%2F2008%2F02%2F26%2F0802261027532456235.gif&hash=5efb8989a158c844dbdb2efbaecf2cb0673ce8a6) (nolinks://nolinks.casimages.com)
Which dominant line do you think has brought the final profit of at least +1 ?
A cue, look at the line which crosses -8 on the vertical axe :o
I am using a simple Alembert progression where i increase +1 after a lost and decrease -1 after a win.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnsa01.casimages.com%2Fimg%2F2008%2F02%2F26%2F0802261043022456385.gif&hash=b639e623eb4e360436990725429fd47c127cadc2) (nolinks://nolinks.casimages.com)
[/size]
[size=12]When zero hits i don't increase my bet size :
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnsa01.casimages.com%2Fimg%2F2008%2F02%2F26%2F0802261101292456560.gif&hash=95ec33b20184856c1726b6ffaec08ef61e402253) (nolinks://nolinks.casimages.com)
Here is the sequence of spins which produced this graph :
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnsa01.casimages.com%2Fimg%2F2008%2F02%2F26%2F0802261103362456583.gif&hash=342387697e89328451c308634c0466bd8b166930) (nolinks://nolinks.casimages.com)
[/size]
For those of you familiar with the procedure of betting the same as previous decision you will recognize this procedure which ressembles the dominance theory where your bets follow the current pattern of decisions. To accomplish this you need only make sure that each time you have identified a dominant running count that each of your bets will back what it needs to back in order to target the same dominant running count as the second preceding count.
If the current dominant count is -7 and you have this string of counts :
-7, -8, -7, -6, -7 then you follow the dominant count -7 by betting on the color which will bring the count at -7 every two series/single.
Hey ! after all, we don't need to reinvent the wheel each time.
[size=12]Wiesbaden stream today table 2 - February 26, 2008.
This begins to make a lot of zero, no ? but again the profit is there. [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]
Representation of the running count using a simple graph :
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi30.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff30%2F11%2F75%2F07%2F03%2Ftough_10.gif&hash=a6fc01950618fa2c77dfcadf877899f0a742aad2)
The datastream :
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi30.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff30%2F11%2F75%2F07%2F03%2Ftough_11.gif&hash=6f85223811fa997bd139b373633ca46d2da1cf98)[/size]
[size=12]
Let's look at table 9 - Wiesbaden February 26, 2009
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi30.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff30%2F11%2F75%2F07%2F03%2Ft9_20010.gif&hash=141606d5560d902baeb14e40f9160d6002598b40)
Data stream :
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi30.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff30%2F11%2F75%2F07%2F03%2Ft9_20011.gif&hash=919620199451d9ef3fc6d6e97cef883dd779a76d)
[/size]
[size=12]Out of curiosity, i changed my progression. Doubling after a winning bet such as this 1,2,4,8,16 never going higher than 16. I took 10000 spins from Hamburg and never lost a sequence. Conclusion, with this system, winning bets come in clusters.[/size]
Hey Arte, Another great system ;D
I was wondering a couple of things. When you said you tested against Hamburg:
QuoteI changed my progression. Doubling after a winning bet such as this 1,2,4,8,16 never going higher than 16. I took 10000 spins from Hamburg and never lost a sequence.
I was looking for a little clarification on the "never going higher than 16" part. Did you mean that the systematic progression you decided to use was to never go above 16 or did you mean in the 10,000 spins it never went above 16 but you would have been willing to if need be?
Also, I was wondering what you programmed this system in to test it. The pics you posted don't look like RX, although I will admit I haven't been using it long [smiley=embarassed.gif]. It almost looks like you may have done it in Excel or some other spreadsheet program.
Thanks,
Adam
QuoteDid you mean that the systematic progression you decided to use was to never go above 16 or did you mean in the 10,000 spins it never went above 16 but you would have been willing to if need be?
Second part of your question is correct. I just wanted to know if the majority of my attacks would be won without ever going over 16. Would i end positive or not ? The answer was i ended positive.
But nevertheless there are better approaches while still using the same concept. I now use this concept on Red/Black without tracking series or singles but every decision. When Red shows i decrease my count -1 and when Black hit i increase +1. This is much faster and it is also easier to follow the current trend.
All simulations are done in Excel. The best tool in the west.
I now use this concept on Red/Black without tracking series or singles but every decision. When Red shows I decrease my count -1 and when Black hit I increase +1. This is much faster and it is also easier to follow the current trend.
Arte, could you give an example of the above?
Dennis,
If we take as an example table 2 - Wiesbaden 2008/03/05 (yyyy/mm/dd)
The first 36 spins excluding the zero.
We get this string of numbers :
-1, 0, 1, 0, -1, -2, -3, -2, -1, -2, -3, -2, -3, -2, -3, -4, -5, -6, -5, -4, -5, -6, -7, -8, -9, -8, -7, -8, -7, -8, -9, -10, -11, -12, -11, -10
and this graph :
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi45.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff45%2F11%2F75%2F07%2F03%2Fvisual13.gif&hash=86f001eacfee1926e2f0d4864e43bb18b5ec48ed)
The idea is to follow the current trend but by trend i mean everything which repeat.
Arte, would you explain/show how you would bet these numbers? [smiley=rolleyes.gif]
QuoteDennis,
If we take as an example table 2 - Wiesbaden 2008/03/05 (yyyy/mm/dd)
The first 36 spins excluding the zero.
We get this string of numbers :
-1, 0, 1, 0, -1, -2, -3, -2, -1, -2, -3, -2, -3, -2, -3, -4, -5, -6, -5, -4, -5, -6, -7, -8, -9, -8, -7, -8, -7, -8, -9, -10, -11, -12, -11, -10
and this graph :
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi45.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff45%2F11%2F75%2F07%2F03%2Fvisual13.gif&hash=86f001eacfee1926e2f0d4864e43bb18b5ec48ed)
The idea is to follow the current trend but by trend i mean everything which repeat.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi45.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff45%2F11%2F75%2F07%2F03%2Fvisual14.gif&hash=3fc2d5308c4f05edde2049544ec2bf0178495ca2)
[size=12]Dennis,
Remember, we are playing on an even chance proposition. Here we have a string of Red versus Black. The way i track is as simple as keeping a running count. I would write it down to avoid errors. So here is how i would have proceeded with this particular stream :
First, let's forget about Red or Black as this is irrelevant. We want to use our running count as our sole indicator.
Let's look at the running count as it occured :
-1
0
1 <- highest point
0
-1 <- i bet the count will return to -1 (Got it)
-2 OK i won last decision so i resume tracking
-3 <- lowest point
-2
-1 <- i bet the count will return to -1 (Got it)
-2 OK i won last decision so i resume tracking
-3
-2 <- i bet the same as last preceding count (Got it)
-3 <- i bet the same as last preceding count (Got it)
-2 <- i bet the same as last preceding count (Got it)
-3 <- i bet the same as last preceding count (Got it)
-4 <- i bet the same as last preceding count (*WRONG*)
-5
-6
-5
-4 <- i bet the count will return to -4 (Got it)
-5
-6 <- i bet the count will return to -6 (Got it)
-7
-8
-9
-8
-7 <- i bet the count will return to -7 (Got it)
-8
-7 <- i bet the same as last preceding count (Got it)
-8 <- i bet the same as last preceding count (Got it)
-9 <- i bet the same as last preceding count (*WRONG*)
-10
-11
-12
-11
-10 <- i bet the count will return to -10 (Got it)
So in all, we have : +12 units, -2 units.
As you can see making these educated guesses were not that difficult. This is not always the case but i can tell you long losing series using this approach is a thing of the past. Each sequence must be dealt differently. I never bet when there is a streak going on, i let it end its course then i make an educated guess. Losing 4 times consecutively is tougher using this approach than all other bet selection i have tried before.[/size]
Thanks Arte! [smiley=dankk2.gif]
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi45.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff45%2F11%2F75%2F07%2F03%2Fvisual15.gif&hash=41d8dfa840325bd0e031e06d9bdbb2cbcff09dcb)
This example shows two patterns which repeat a lot :
The "[size=12]W[/size]" shape is one of the pattern which repeats quite often too. This is the first pattern i generally target.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi45.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff45%2F11%2F75%2F07%2F03%2Fdemo0111.gif&hash=17bef1cd5c85beba3b899d52964ff70dfe7ae4d7)
Hey Arte, with using the red and black way that you are doing now as opposed to how you were tracking at the beginning of this thread, I don't really get when you are betting. Are you acutally using rules or are you just doing it by feel. Because from the last two graphs it seemed like there were bets that "by rule" should have been made but it doesn't seem you chose to?
I am just a little confused now I guess.
Thanks,
JR
QuoteAre you acutally using rules or are you just doing it by feel
Neither of these. I try not to use fixed rules but hey ! we need to start somewhere. And i never bet by feeling instead i test and see if my set of patterns is hitting according to expectation in which case i bet they will keep hitting. They never failed me yet. Don't try to catch the same event over and over in a systematic way instead be flexible accept to bet less at times but always try to win your session.
It is difficult to explain everything in a single and limited thread like this. Ideally, if you would sit beside me you'd see how i operate. I usually approach the game using a very open mind. I let the stream develop and i jump into action as soon as i detect a particular portion of the stream will repeat. Roulette is a device which produces a lot of repeatition. Once you realise this then your method of play change completely. You are no more able to use a fixed set of rules. You just want to adapt to the stream and follow its tides.
Remember this, two players could be exposed to the same string of decisions but see 2 completely different things. Think about it and you'll realise it's because of their frame of interpretation. You need a simple frame of reference rich enough but not too complicated as i tried to show within the confine of this very limited thread.
Well Above statement is so true.. Arte...
Riding the trend has good way to play... once this gambler told me this "any system can win and lose at any given day"
Riding the trend is good tactic to win, but of cource nothing is easy.... trend can change any time...
if there is really truely fixed pattern then we will be milliionare... right?
but I do believe that there are certain patterns exist... if human is choosing the red or black then we should get 100 red or 100 black in row which we haven't seen that... so that means there are limit spin or card can do...
but of cource nobody will wait till 15 red in row then start betting using 10 progression... even you win you can only win 1 unit every six month and you have to be at casino 24 hours to see that kind of chance...
Well, anyhow... I believe Arte is doing wonderful job. ... i am following every single post he posted...
one of the resons is that I play bit of baccarat.. well, no choice since my local casino doesn't have roulette... i am dying to try mr. Victor and mr . lanky's system though...
but mean while i got to figure out way to win with even chances.. and Arte is doing that now...
well thank you
joker
Quotemy local casino doesn't have roulette
[smiley=shocked.gif]
hey mr. victor how are you doing?
why did you quote that? =)
symthathy?
well, closest casino i can access roulette is 2 hours drive.. so i can't go too often...
so how is your game going lately? any good new or system?
hope you are doing well
Joker
QuoteRiding the trend is good tactic to win, but of cource nothing is easy.... trend can change any time...
A trend may just be an illusion. I don't chase trends with my latest approach instead i have took the time to compile many thousands of decisions to see what was the most recurrent events after a streak had ended its course and to my great stupefaction i found out that these "after streak periods" produce a lot of instability where the amplitude of the swing between two opposite events stays within a certain limited corridor long enough to be exploited. This is what i am trying to show you.
Here is another sequence i took on Wiesbaden for today table 3 :
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi45.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff45%2F11%2F75%2F07%2F03%2Fnewex10.gif&hash=c24adcb289ebae2797a5f2ffedcc1be09abc300d)
Periods of instability are easy to identify after these streaks.
Now, look at these very typical figures we get in all streams :
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi45.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff45%2F11%2F75%2F07%2F03%2Ftypica10.gif&hash=637a7f12e7867fbf5673b543d45492effa79e517)
Hello there.. you are doing great job....
pattern does exisist... i would say phenominon...
what you show on the cart is correct... i have been playing with this type of betting for long time....
after long streak... BBBBBBBB or RRRRRRRR i would say 7 streak or higher...
you will see shoe get choppy... for instance... BBBBBBB R B R B this happen very often....
of cource nothing gurantee to this to happen... but it usually happen like this...
only few problems... first of all, we don't get 7 streak or higher often.. we have to wait for while to get this...
but i would say it is worth for us to look into it..
thank you
joker
Why look so close?
What works for me is knowing the good/bad shape reading the trend.
Looking the lines, you will see how some lines are longer than others. So if you put them together within 15 spins for example, you will get a nice reference how the situation is, by checking wich line is he longest. Then to bet groups where I find the balance is coming, is easy somehow. Flat betting 10 spins or so in order to get the balance, is for me more secure than betting 1 or 2 times out of 10.
JD.
Also the formation of W M V and /\ is a good way of catching figures.
Roulette is a game of repetition, it will repeat patterns constantly. Thats why we can make good use of it.
After a streak, usually comes a very usual figure.
All try to ilustrate all what I am saying
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.freewebs.com%2Fmariodiazcruz%2Ftrend.JPG&hash=56ba8cdb1e74cb226f51daf803848201e60a1f5f)
sorry for me bad english
JD
The circles are the formation of M W V and /\, and the squares are for the figures after a streak
Cheers
J.Daniels,
This is exactly what i tried to show since the beginning of this thread. Your ability to anticipate figures should improve over time with practice. I realise this is a very interesting and challenging way to play the game. It makes your head spin very fast. You need to be in a constant state of alert. But the beauty of it is i don't need to wait or chase any particular kind of events.
Joker wrote :
QuoteI have been playing with this type of betting for long time....
after long streak... BBBBBBBB or RRRRRRRR I would say 7 streak or higher...
you will see shoe get choppy
This is not what i track or chase. I am never in a state of "
see and wait" for a particular type of events.
This is the major error most players are doing, i.e., using a set of fixed rules such as this one.
You need to be very flexible. You might want to start with the easy recognizable figures mentionned by J.Daniels and I then later on with practice you should be able to add some more comlex figures.
If you are at ease with this approach you'll never feel anymore the need to look for another system in your lifetime as this one alone will provide you with everything you need to succeed as this is a dynamic system.
J.Daniels wrote :
QuoteThen to bet groups where I find the balance is coming, is easy somehow. Flat betting 10 spins or so in order to get the balance, is for me more secure than betting 1 or 2 times out of 10.
Although you can look at it this way, this is not my case. I always try to avoid selection of bets based on fallacies such as this. The concept of balance or return to a state of balance in the short term is the gambler's fallacy in all its glory. The better you can get rid of these thoughts the better it gets. In a way, you must empty your mind as this is a random game. I rarely place many consecutive bets as i prefer to bet at specific key frames so to speak. If i evaluate i can place many consecutive bets then i'll do it but as soon as i lose a bet, i stop and look for the next opportunity. I never force or try to impose my game to the
Game
I never force or try to impose my game to the Game
Bravo!!! And this gentlemen is the whole key.
To do your best to synchronize with the wheel's game at the current moment of the session.
You can use your brain and adapt to a changing data stream, but roulette adapting to a fixed game...erm... it is a "no brainer" ;D
Hi Victor,
In fact, we must become as a chamelon which is able to morh with his environment. On GG i wrote this :
I hesitate to speak about tendencies as for me it is not a question whether we should follow a tendency or not. Everything occurs within the confinement of micro sequences. We just need to train ourselves to detect the immediate pattern in course of formation. Beyond this point we cannot venture. This is why the word tendency is not the best term to use according to me. Anyway, in the field of randomness there is no tendencies only micro sequences which morph between themselve and establish new patterns and all this happens in front of us in a perpetual movement.