# VLS Roulette Forum

## Main => Full Roulette Systems => Topic started by: waaahome on February 05, 2009, 05:45:47 PM

Title: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 05, 2009, 05:45:47 PM
will start by explaining how go about writing mine spins:

/19  D18  /11  D34  /23  D11  /24  D19  /9  /32  D10  /4  D5  D7  D9 .................. and so on
/12         /31         /32                      /14 /10
/18                      /21                      /34
/24                      /13                      /6
/14                                                /22
/19                                                /0
/36
/9
/14
/21

...... so what i do is i write them down as such so that it tells me when the bet is coming up ....... a trigger u guys  call it. Apologize for bad english Wink

you will see patterns of 9 numbers that follow each other like the D5 D7 D9..... do u see that?

that is when i bet only 9 numbers, on the board.

i bet straight up and on the split.... u see the D7 is part of D5 trigger....
the D9 is part of D7 so u would win because it part of D5 9 number lay out on the board.

what one has to do is practice writing down the spins like i showed and than practice to spot the 9 number hits.

this thing can make so much money brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

i guess its a PROBABILITY brrr spelling...............

its very simple to operate becouse you only bet the 9 numbers and 2 numbers that are right on eather side of the number that just came up............

so.........

on ex. after /4 came the D5  ,,,,, so i would bet on number 1-9 straight up and on 1-2,1-4, 2-3, 2-5, 4-1, 4-5, 4-7.....and so on , so the nine square numbers are covered................

any questions ?

so u have a block of nine numbers that is covered in mula plus your side numbers.

what u are doing is following the ball on the board , ........... it will shift from one end to the other .............
and than ....................what will happen is it will sit in a section or will jump ......

u have to see this on paper , no where else............

it's right in front of you , on paper

it come and it goes............just have a look.......

waaahome

Good Luck.....
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: iboba on February 05, 2009, 05:56:33 PM
Again,whats the D,mate?????
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 05, 2009, 06:19:21 PM
D is nothing. It's just to tell me that the number is part of 9 numbers that belong to the last spin.
I could't have called it anything else.
It's  so that the trigger is easier to see.........

The number are important for you to see how the whole picture or"PATTERNS" look like.

I will post more on this as we go along and people get used to this way of playing.

Thanx.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 05, 2009, 07:06:40 PM
hello kingspin!

it is really good. how did you bet? did you test this already?

maybe you could share some of your ideas how you played it.

becouse i didn't even start explaining this part of it yet.

thanx.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 05, 2009, 08:19:46 PM
Hello!

The betting part is really hard to explain. In past hmmmmmmmm.3 years i tryed to bet many diffrent ways. Flat bet, Progression bet. When someone understands how to read this patterns they will see that they change.
ex.1     /19 D29 D28 /1  D21 /5 D2 /D7.............................
/27             /27
/7
/20

or ex.2 /28 D1 /16 D5 /13........... and so on
/2       /28      /24
/26     /16      /14
/ 17     /35      /9
/31      /12      /18
/19      /3
/11
/2

You will see this happening once you start spinning and what you are looking for is the horizontal BIG PICTURE, you whant to catch the horizontal wave or what ever u whant to call it.

Ex#1 is what you whant to hit. like the D28    D2     D7

sometimes a hit and a spin is needed.

It's all in the big picture ones the spins are written down and u start looking at the big picture.

This is like thinking of GUT system, of something that must happen and it will. The boxes of nine numbers will follow each other or it will jump and than hit. Or it will hit on 2nd like here   /7 /17 /4..... now the four is part of 2. Part of 1-9 box.
/2

One has to see the big picture on paper than it becomes all clear to what one is looking for.

What you don't whant is to start hitting in the wrong place that is why i spin for say half a page or 50 spins. This comes in big waves. Ones it shows it goes on and on.

I will explain more as people try it out.

ALL THE NEGATIVITY CRAP keep to your self. I am only trying to help out.
Thank you.

this is really hard to explain. it needs alot of patience and practice.................

to be cont.............

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Coxx16 on February 05, 2009, 08:50:31 PM
lol! I clicked on this post, just to get a closer look at the avatar.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: wiggy on February 05, 2009, 09:01:48 PM
hey waahome... I'd be interested to test this system - although I can't make sense of your explanation... perhaps give it another try by rewording your english and explanation of betting patterns...

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: MATTJONO on February 05, 2009, 09:30:02 PM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 06, 2009, 12:45:00 AM
halo

i can explain again again and again........no problem

1-9, 4-12, 7-15, 10-18, 13-21, 16-24, 19-27, 22-30, 25-33,
28-36.

these are 9 number patterns.
I found a way to track how they fall and when they fall. so u can anticipate and bet on a PROBABILLITY that should happen and is about to happen and will happen.

So i start tracking:

spins: /4, 23, 13, 36, 14. so i put this in vertical line like this:

/4
/23
/13
/36
/14

next spins:  13, 20, 28, 29, 30 ............ so now mine tracking looks loke this:

/4   D13  /20  D29  D30
/23        /28
/13
/36
/14

So the 13 is part of 14 group, it GOES on top, 20 is NOT part of 14 so it goes beside it, 28 is NOT part of 20  so continue writing down, 29 IS PART of 28 so it goes on top, 30 is part of 29 so it goes beside 29.and so on .......................

continue to record spins in this matter for a whole page to see the pattern, just for practice. you will see and you will now when to bet the 9 numbers.

They will follow each other or jump to a new spot on the board"lay out" if you will and hit in THAT 9 NUMBER Box.

After practicing writing this out you will get it for sure..............

when the patterns are clear to u try anticipating next time it comes around. Its like riding a pattern that happened before. and you bet that way ...........

you bet all around those numbers, straigt up and on splits so for \$1 chip u have \$21 total.......

plus i bet the numbers beside and stock up on a repeat hoping it will hit...and IT WILL........

This way you catch every repeat that ever happens............

Its just another approach , another way of thinking..........

I hope this helps.....

let me know....

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 06, 2009, 12:56:19 AM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on February 06, 2009, 04:20:46 AM
;D Jeez, Waaahome

This is what all the chaps at the "Finding a Consistant bet" thread are looking for. I mean the 'thinking out of the box' part they are talking about. I like your way and I understand what you are doing. ie the groups and how to write them down. I will test this over the weekend mate. Good job. I would love to hear further info of how you play this in real play.

Thank you for sharing with the forum. ( 8) Just ignore negative comments please.....I for one would like to get the load down on this.)

Thanks again. :thumbsup:
Looking forward to working with you.

Cheers
Jakk
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Phishalot on February 06, 2009, 09:00:13 AM
Thanks for posting.

I have tracked a page of spins and have them on the paper the way you said to put them.

But I still do not know what I am looking for to indicate what to bet.

It looks like I am playing Baccarat. Am I looking for 2 in a row veridical or a repeating pattern?

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Compa on February 06, 2009, 10:07:54 AM
Great Idea!! looking forward to check it out.

Cheers

/Compa
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 06, 2009, 11:40:24 AM
Thanks for posting.

I have tracked a page of spins and have them on the paper the way you said to put them.

But I still do not know what I am looking for to indicate what to bet.

It looks like I am playing Baccarat. Am I looking for 2 in a row veridical or a repeating pattern?

You bet 9 numbers and 1 beside thats 11 nembers total...

The patterns are diffrent. They come following each other like: D3  D4...... follow each other....

or        /5 D4 /28 D11...... 9 numbers hit in 3 spins "START COUNTING FROM  D4,,,,D11
/12             is part of 12. ....meaning numbers "7-13".

These are the patterns that u whant to notice:

ex1:     D1 D4

ex2:     D4 /34  D32 ......... showed up as a "jump"

ex3:     D7 /12 D27 .........
/26

ex4:     D25 /2  D24 .............
/12
/23

Do you have this patterns on your paper?  .... u must have some of them.....

later....

i  hope this helped..  :)

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Phishalot on February 06, 2009, 11:51:49 AM
Yes I have those patterns. But still do not understand where to start betting or on what? I do understand what the bet is.

Thanks
Bob
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 06, 2009, 02:21:59 PM
Yes I have those patterns. But still do not understand where to start betting or on what? I do understand what the bet is.

Thanks
Bob

Hello.

ok so u now know the bet and can see these patterns :thumbsup:

so what i do is immitate them with mine 11 number bets.  hopping that they happen ......and they do......becouse they must..... its a PROBABILITY...

So i start spinning becouse i can't predict the FUTURE SPINS...... after i spin and write,that tells me  where i'm at ... if i should bet or NOT...

So i look at the BIG picture, and if i'm seeing that mine "9" hits are hitting every 7 or 9 or 10 spins .............the ones in ex1,2,3 are do........kind of like that..........

It's all in SPINNING and looking at what comes up..........

Ok what i did was played for fun for a very long long long time.......
Recorded this in a very very very nice and neat way and than LOOKED what happens to these "9" number bets if you will.......i have alot of binders i bet its like well over 10.000 spins .I immitated and calculated what it would be in real winnings. And it WORKS fine. It MAKES MONEY.
What ever you whant to call it.....a system .......a way .....what ever.

It's just another way of thinking ...... about the whole idea......I thought about IMMITATING what i have on paper in front of me from the "DAY BEFORE" or what ever day.

Think about it , does any body have a system here that is 100%.....

Playing this way makes MONEY for me that's all i know.

So... by looking at  the patterns it is clear to me that progression bet is sometimes needed to catch a win when ex.2 or 3 happens ,,, just to catch it .........yes?

But sometimes when they follow each other i just press spin and it hits one after each other..........but look at PROBABILLITIES of how many times it will foolow each other ?onces or twice and than you have to SPIN for the next D to show up.........and bet little like \$21 on the first shot , and if it is a miss double on the jump to \$ 24 bet and it hits.

This will not happen over night sorry...............

Practice Practice Practice......

I just got use to it by now and i feel comfortable with it over all this time.........

So will you!!!!!

Thanks.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Kingspin on February 06, 2009, 08:24:31 PM
hello kingspin!

it is really good. how did you bet? did you test this already?

maybe you could share some of your ideas how you played it.

becouse i didn't even start explaining this part of it yet.

thanx.
Kingspins reply :- Sorry mate no offence ,  maybe some one can prove this grandpa roulette system is actually good , looking at it though all that seems to be missing is  "a pinch of toad"   ;D   Just joking thanks for posting........
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 06, 2009, 10:21:51 PM
hello kingspin!

it is really good. how did you bet? did you test this already?

maybe you could share some of your ideas how you played it.

becouse i didn't even start explaining this part of it yet.

thanx.
Kingspins reply :- Sorry mate no offence ,  maybe some one can prove this grandpa roulette system is actually good , looking at it though all that seems to be missing is  "a pinch of toad"   ;D   Just joking thanks for posting........

No problem.

Please have a look at it. It is interesting , very interesting........

It does take time. Took me a long time to figure it out this way........

Cheers.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on February 07, 2009, 03:24:12 AM
;) Thanks Waaahome,

this looks very good. Take a bit getting use to the tracking but I think you have something good.

Cheers
Jakk
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on February 08, 2009, 08:23:46 AM
:) Hi Waaahome,

Look mate I'm still havimg difficulty to track.

I'm posting numbers here and then I will show what I did. Please correct me.

21,18,3,4,24,25,23,26,21,22,33,27,30,5,10,,35,5,35,13,30,27,3,3,17,8,30,10,31,16,0,29,24,26,10,33,19,0,20,3,19,25,25,7,8,10,16,8,35,2,14,24,19

21,18 / 3,4 / 24,25,23,26,21,22 / 33,30 / 5,5 / 35,27 / 3,3 /17,31 / 16,26 /10,20 / 3,25
27       10     13               8          0        33      19
35     30              30        29       19      25
10        24        0

I tracked as I understand the permeanance in bold. Please correct me where I have made mistakes and also show me where you would bet.

Cheers
Jakk

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 08, 2009, 11:32:51 AM
:) Hi Waaahome,

Look mate I'm still havimg difficulty to track.

I'm posting numbers here and then I will show what I did. Please correct me.

21,18,3,4,24,25,23,26,21,22,33,27,30,5,10,,35,5,35,13,30,27,3,3,17,8,30,10,31,16,0,29,24,26,10,33,19,0,20,3,19,25,25,7,8,10,16,8,35,2,14,24,19

21,18 / 3,4 / 24,25,23,26,21,22 / 33,30 / 5,5 / 35,27 / 3,3 /17,31 / 16,26 /10,20 / 3,25
27       10     13               8          0        33      19
35     30              30        29       19      25
10        24        0

I tracked as I understand the permeanance in bold. Please correct me where I have made mistakes and also show me where you would bet.

Cheers
Jakk

Hello!
U are getting it but look at mine and compare......

21 / D18  /3 D4 /24 D25 D23 D26 /21 /D22 /33 D30 /5  D27 /3 D3 /17 D26 /10  D25 /7 D8 D10 /16 D19............
/27       /10               /8         /30                      /8
/35               /30        /19                      /35
/5                /10         /0                       /2
/35              /31         /3                       /14
/13              /16         /19                     /24
/30              /0          /25
/29
/24

So u see any diffrence?

This is exactly how i would write these down........

Look at the beginning now and notice the TREND... they follow each other yes?   D18, D4, D25, D23, D26, D22 are ALL WNINNER HITS.....and than it stops..............
than the whole picture looks VERTICAL....... now thats a no bet situation LOOSER.... do not bet......

............NOW................

Sometimes i use progression to catch the : seconds , the thirds, the fourths.....

By seconds i mean:.../33 D30
/27

see how u have 2 VERTICAL numbers and than the 30 which is part of 27?
Its a Winning Hit.....

I hope this kind of explains it better  for it is kind of hard to explain.......

If your units were \$5 chips that is over \$1500 in winning in the first spins.... u see that?

But than off course u will have a no hit situation and start loosing becouse this is still GAMBLING remember?.... So this is when human factor comes into play......

Money Managment and so on........... which is one of the MOST IMPORTANT ones for me.......... becouse it destroys...... if its not followed.........

but have a look at it know and see if this helps...........

Cheers.....
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on February 08, 2009, 03:48:12 PM

I will practice some more.

Potential looks real good

Cheers and thanks

Jakk  ;)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: hoper35 on February 09, 2009, 01:54:04 AM
How do you decide which 9 to bet when the trigger number is in multiple groups?

Ex - 8   Do you bet 1-9, 4-12 or 7-15 ?

Ron.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 09, 2009, 10:52:32 AM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: hermes on February 09, 2009, 01:38:39 PM
Granpa, the system how you explained is exactly so clear as your head. E.g. D means nothing but for you means everything?
Even English is not your father's language you could be more precise. Understand, we can put the icecream on top of your cake only if we understand it. We want to understand your strategy, therefore help us with better explanation. Until now very confusing.
Granpa, I admire you but don't understand. Use the Spell Check too, I do.
Thanks
Hermes
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 09, 2009, 02:57:16 PM
Granpa, the system how you explained is exactly so clear as your head. E.g. D means nothing but for you means everything?
Even English is not your father's language you could be more precise. Understand, we can put the icecream on top of your cake only if we understand it. We want to understand your strategy, therefore help us with better explanation. Until now very confusing.
Granpa, I admire you but don't understand. Use the Spell Check too, I do.
Thanks
Hermes

That's right D means nothing , like your hear.
if you were to follow from the begining you would of had read that i could of called it anything else. a star, a dot , perhaps a colour.

I can't explain this any further. To all interested people that have read my post good luck.

Peace to All.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: hermes on February 09, 2009, 08:59:11 PM
OK, forget your D-day idea! What about your daughter picture out there? Is she available? If yes, give me her email address. I would teach her some of my systems that she doesn't have to showing butt anymore. Patience, patience with people is missing, Granpa.
Hermes
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 09, 2009, 09:19:18 PM
OK, forget your D-day idea! What about your daughter picture out there? Is she available? If yes, give me her email address. I would teach her some of my systems that she doesn't have to showing butt anymore. Patience, patience with people is missing, Granpa.
Hermes

Well let's have them all.

My system is the truth that happens in a real game, in real life, which u don't know about.

All this math and strategy and endless calculations are not for me... they do not exist, the game is umbeatable with math and all that crap..........

I look at it the way it happens in real life and it makes MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that's what this is all about , making MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My sister doesn't like you.

Cheers!

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on February 13, 2009, 08:49:30 AM

Hello!
U are getting it but look at mine and compare......

21 / D18  /3 D4 /24 D25 D23 D26 /21 /D22 /33 D30 /5  D27 /3 D3 /17 D26 /10  D25 /7 D8 D10 /16 D19............
/27       /10               /8         /30                      /8
/35               /30        /19                      /35
/5                /10         /0                       /2
/35              /31         /3                       /14
/13              /16         /19                     /24
/30              /0          /25
/29
/24

So u see any diffrence?

This is exactly how i would write these down........

Look at the beginning now and notice the TREND... they follow each other yes?   D18, D4, D25, D23, D26, D22 are ALL WNINNER HITS.....and than it stops..............
than the whole picture looks VERTICAL....... now thats a no bet situation loser.... do not bet......

............NOW................

Sometimes i use progression to catch the : seconds , the thirds, the fourths.....

By seconds i mean:.../33 D30
/27

see how u have 2 VERTICAL numbers and than the 30 which is part of 27?
Its a Winning Hit.....

I hope this kind of explains it better  for it is kind of hard to explain.......

If your units were \$5 chips that is over \$1500 in winning in the first spins.... u see that?

But than off course u will have a no hit situation and start losing becouse this is still GAMBLING remember?.... So this is when human factor comes into play......

Money Managment and so on........... which is one of the MOST IMPORTANT ones for me.......... becouse it destroys...... if its not followed.........

but have a look at it know and see if this helps...........

Cheers.....

Hi Waaahome,

Could u please explain the following occurence.

After D30 / 5 appears then 2 spins later 5 appears again.

Why did you not write D30 / 5  D5 ?
10
35

You wrote  D30 / 5     D27
10
35
5
35
13
30

aaah wait a minute I think I just answered my own question. lol

Thanks again for the method of play.

@ Hermes...... Please keep your remarks to yourself. I'm interested in this method. Don't spoil this for others.........f*#^king pretty please.  :(

Cheers
Jakk ;)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on February 13, 2009, 09:14:15 AM
Hi Waaahome,

Don't mind A-holes with sarcastic remarks and destructive criticism. They will always be around. I have the utmost respect for anyone, how badly their descriptions might be, when they are sharing their ways.

Remember all, this guy didn't have to share. He never asked for anything in return either. So Hermes especially you. Show the man some respect. Or maybe you can show us a new way of play that we can have a look at. Something no one has done before like Waaahome.

Anyway, enough said.

Let's see if I got it now.

Numbers are:

35
19
25
5
26
28
27
10
0
29
28
26
4
7
13
20
35
29
13
28
11
9
8
31
26
12
19
6
32
36
34
25
16
9
10

And I track like this:

35  D28,D27  /  10  D28,D26  /  4,D7  /  13  D9,D8  /  31  D36,D34  /  25  D10
19                   0                              20               26                   16
25                   29                            35               12                    9
5                                                    29                19
26                                                   13               6
28               32
11

How did that go Waaahome?

I get it right?

Kind regards
Jakk ;)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 13, 2009, 09:50:42 AM
Hi Waaahome,

Don't mind A-holes with sarcastic remarks and destructive criticism. They will always be around. I have the utmost respect for anyone, how badly their descriptions might be, when they are sharing their ways.

Remember all, this guy didn't have to share. He never asked for anything in return either. So Hermes especially you. Show the man some respect. Or maybe you can show us a new way of play that we can have a look at. Something no one has done before like Waaahome.

Anyway, enough said.

Let's see if I got it now.

Numbers are:

35
19
25
5
26
28
27
10
0
29
28
26
4
7
13
20
35
29
13
28
11
9
8
31
26
12
19
6
32
36
34
25
16
9
10

And I track like this:

35  D28,D27  /  10  D28,D26  /  4,D7  /  13  D9,D8  /  31  D36,D34  /  25  D10
19                   0                              20               26                   16
25                   29                            35               12                    9
5                                                    29                19
26                                                   13               6
28               32
11

How did that go Waaahome?

I get it right?

Kind regards
Jakk ;)

Yes  :thumbsup

very good!!!!

Now Can you see the patterns of the D's?

They are sooooo simple to spot. That's correct.

wait wrong:3rd vertical line the 29 is part of 35 becouse it is at the end of the layout. ,but still you got the point.

This must be second nature to you, and it will be with time.

Now for betting purposes i do a lot of diffrent things. I do flat betting or Progrssion betting.

Look how you have 2 D's and they continue so wise would be just to hit one and run yes?

You also have one jump D26 /4 D7..... you see?

Try betting on these patterns now and see if can get the betting part now.  I will explain more on betting becouse this is where it's at.

Good job!

....... i do not care about Hermes. He doesn't understand anything that's why it bugs him. what ever Mr Hermes !!!!!!!

We can discuss Betting privatly so Mr Hermes don't know how :thumbsup: it will teach him to be nice to people.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: winkel on February 13, 2009, 11:29:49 AM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: iboba on February 13, 2009, 12:53:08 PM
Good on ya,Wahome,Agree with you/at least someone with me/absolutely;All this maths,strategy,calculations,mill.of spins,do not exist in the real/overnight/game,and it is unbeatable with all that comp.crap.Whay?????Because people made these RNG/or whathever call,and mean/for certain purposes,didnt they???????In other words,thats all shit,----and only way is real life,real game,and,REAL MONEY,thats why we old fashioned,human beings,are winning money,playing in the night circle of about 370 spins/not bothering of 999.630 other spins/beginning next day other 370 spins,and so on for next 3225 days/1000000 spins/or allmost 10 years.Thinking for maths.Ciao,Iboba
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 13, 2009, 01:09:28 PM
You got it .

It's all about real money and real people and stuff that goes on at the tables. Not about 100000000000000000000000000 spins......

Thanks.

Peace.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 13, 2009, 03:21:02 PM
So try this:

Put in \$1000.

Funny money whatever.......

so......

Play your D bet which is 9 numbers plus 2 eva side numbers.    Total numbers play :11

\$1 chip bet = \$23bet
\$5 chip bet = \$115 bet........ i think  :thumbsup:

Which ever u like.....

so follow where ever the BALL lands on the lay out. Becouse this is what matters in this game.

So if the ball lands on #2 bet 1-9 and #21and 25.

If it jumps to #20 bet 16-24and #1 and#14.

and so on.................

if u read the other posts u will understand what u are looking for?

Now bet only up to 5 VERTICALL NUMBERS.

I REPEAT ......................... 5 VERTICALL NUMBERS.................. if no hit start spinning........so .......

/2
/34
/23
/4
/15----see no hit

start spinning until u get a 9 number hit like this

cont..
/4
/15
/27
/25----- see this 25? belongs to 27 so rewirite this like so

/4   D25
/15
/27

- now bet all around 25 (numbers 22- 30) and 2 and 17.....

and continue this bet for 5 more times.....

if u hit before 5 times are up , do not look back and start over

if no hit spin untill you do hit.

This is just an exercise so don't bet your  house on it  please..................

I whant everyone here to try this. NO PROGRESSION..... just flat bet.....

Thanks.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 13, 2009, 03:24:43 PM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: insidebet on February 13, 2009, 06:16:57 PM
Come on!!!
This guy is as high as a kite and pulling everybody,s leg...
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 13, 2009, 06:40:03 PM
Come on!!!
This guy is as high as a kite and pulling everybody,s leg...

Hello mr. insidebet.

This is an inside bet approach so i am waiting for your results.

You will make anywhere between 2000-3000 units a week, if you just listen to what i have to say.

Just try it and you will see the results.

Cheers.

Lets walk the walk , not talk and talk.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 13, 2009, 06:45:42 PM
to all......

why would i be wasting mine time with this?
why would i?

I saw Sam test the G.U.T........good job.

First, learn to code my way.

Second , u see the spins that he gets right in front of you.

Write them down and follow what i do.

I am not cheating or coming up with mine own spins.

Go to SAM's Videos to get the spins and try it out.

Thank You all.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: TwoCatSam on February 13, 2009, 07:16:06 PM
waaahome

I would love to study your method, but I can't understand it.  I will show you how to use the table feature.

[escape] [table=,]
This,is,how,you,use,it
1,2,3,4,5
use,a,comma,between,numbers
use,a,comma,between,words
that's,all,there,is,to,it.
[/table][/escape]

Here is what the above would look like:

[table=,]
This,is,how,you,use,it
1,2,3,4,5
use,a,comma,between,numbers
use,a,comma,between,words
that's,all,there,is,to,it.
[/table]

Try it.

You may also use two, three or more commas to separate your columns even more.

Sam

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 13, 2009, 07:31:51 PM
waaahome

I would love to study your method, but I can't understand it.  I will show you how to use the table feature.

[escape] [table=,]
This,is,how,you,use,it
1,2,3,4,5
use,a,comma,between,numbers
use,a,comma,between,words
that's,all,there,is,to,it.
[/table][/escape]

Hello Sam.

i clearly talk how i write mine spins and it shows the patterns i look for.

I will try using the table that everyone suggests, but for mine type of writiing i thing i will do no good.
Just a piece of paper and a pencil.
Start spinning numbers and write them like in post#21

i just aproach this a little diffrent than anyone else...........

hmmmm if i could do a video like you :thumbsup:it would take seconds.

thanks.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rquest09 on February 13, 2009, 09:20:15 PM
Hi waaahome,

Im sure this is a great system from what you have been saying but i have read it from the start and just cant get my head around it ?[smiley=3/annoyed.gif]?

Is there a way you could explain it peice by peice for the layman  :thumbsup:

Thanks,

Rquest
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 13, 2009, 09:45:59 PM
Hi waaahome,

Im sure this is a great system from what you have been saying but i have read it from the start and just cant get my head around it ?[smiley=3/annoyed.gif]?

Is there a way you could explain it peice by peice for the layman  :thumbsup:

Thanks,

Rquest

No problem.
First thing is you must track your spins like me.

Forget about betting, progressions, flat betting, bla bla................

Read post #21  slowly.......... their we have examples spins. and than i rewrote them the way i do.....

Read that over and just worry about how the "9number bets" fall. I call them "D". You can call tham what ever u like.

They are just 9numbers sequences that follow eachother.

I now this is bloody hard becouse it works. For me anyways.

I am going to try to rewrite the whole thing becouse i whant to share this with everyone.

For know just read every thing over write spins and get use to thinking this way. It is new and it takes time......

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: TwoCatSam on February 13, 2009, 10:19:23 PM
Gramps

I've been looking over this bugger and I think I got a handle on it.  Would I offend if I offered a bit of an explanation?  I'll use your examples.

I do see why you can't use the chart feature.  That's how I zeroed in on what you're doing.

Sam
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 13, 2009, 10:29:31 PM
Gramps

I've been looking over this bugger and I think I got a handle on it.  Would I offend if I offered a bit of an explanation?  I'll use your examples.

I do see why you can't use the chart feature.  That's how I zeroed in on what you're doing.

Sam

i can't wait..............

Thanks.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: TwoCatSam on February 14, 2009, 12:10:52 AM
These are his numbers:

1-9, 4-12, 7-15, 10-18, 13-21, 16-24, 19-27, 22-30, 25-33,
28-36.

Each set contains nine numbers.

Now here is his chart:

/19  D18    /11  D34  /23  D11  /24  D19  /9  /32  D10  /4  D5  D7  D9 .................. and so on
/12           /31         /32                      /14 /10
/18                        /21                      /34
/24                        /13                      /6
/14                                                  /22
/19                                                  /0
/36
/9
/14
/21

The first number in his trot is 19 followed by 12, 18,24,14 and 19.  This forms the first vertical column.  Now look at D18.  It is in the same group as the 19, so it goes on a horizontal row.  The next number is 11 which does not go with 18, so it gets no "D" but is the first number of a new grouping.  The next number to come is 31 which is not part of the 11 group, so it begins a vertical column again.  Then comes 34 which is a part of the 31 group so it gets a "D".

Notice how every "D" number is in the same group as the last number in the column just before it or the "D" number before it?  I can see how this would eventually paint a picture of repeats vs non-repeats.  I will next work a trot of numbers to see if I have it right.

Sam
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 14, 2009, 12:21:19 AM
These are his numbers:

1-9, 4-12, 7-15, 10-18, 13-21, 16-24, 19-27, 22-30, 25-33,
28-36.

Each set contains nine numbers.

Yes This is correct.

For betting purposes i use 2 extra numbers. One on each side of the number that just hit. Total 11 numbers.

Please go on master  sam  ;)

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: TwoCatSam on February 14, 2009, 12:22:05 AM
30
16
35
12
4
14
2
11
4
32
13
9
15
16
12
1
7
26
4
14
7
15
28
33
33
11
15
11
30
23
21
30
27
27
4
18
25

We begin:

/30  D4  D4   D9  D15  D16   D12   D7   D7   D15   D33   D33   D15   D11   D23   D21   D27   D27
/16  /14 /32                       /1     /26        /28            /11           /30            /30            /4
/35  /2  /13                               /4                                                                          /18
/12  /11                                    /14                                                                        /25

I don't think I made any mistakes.

Sam
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 14, 2009, 12:50:17 AM
30
16
35
12
4
14
2
11
4
32
13
9
15
16
12
1
7
26
4
14
7
15
28
33
33
11
15
11
30
23
21
30
27
27
4
18
25

We begin:

/30  D4  D4   D9  D15  D16   D12   D7   D7   D15   D33   D33   D15   D11   D23   D21   D27   D27
/16  /14 /32                       /1     /26        /28            /11           /30            /30            /4
/35  /2  /13                               /4                                                                          /18
/12  /11                                    /14                                                                        /25

I don't think I made any mistakes.

Sam

Sam.

Did you use the table function?

You probably know what is going on by now but, the horizontals are not lined up with verticals.

Do you see why it's a pain in the butt to write this out?

They all must line up correctly for the whole picture to become clear.

Thanks.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 14, 2009, 01:14:14 AM
allow me to rewrite your spins:

/30  D16  /12  D7  /26  D33  D33  /11  D15  D11  /30  D21  /30  D27  D27  /4
/16         /1         /4                                      /23                             /18
/35                    /14                                                                      /25............and so on......
/12                    /7
/4                     /15
/14                   /28
/2
/11
/4
/32
/13
/9
/15

i see crap in the beginning.... but later on? oh yes 2 repeats D33 and D27.... Those are heavy heavy hits....

Mine Favourites.

I did not want to interupt you sam, but this is how i see it.

Thanks.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: TwoCatSam on February 14, 2009, 02:10:45 AM
waaahome

I did not use the chart function.

I guess I don't have it after all, as our charts are different.  I will study more tomorrow.

Sam
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on February 14, 2009, 03:20:23 AM
Hey Sam you have it mate.

I tell you Waaahome has got a good thing going.

Once one grasps the principal it is easy as pie!

Thanks again Waaahome.

Cheers
Jakk
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: xman1970 on February 14, 2009, 08:37:02 AM
@ Waahome

Thx for sharing & continuing to post EVEN though negative posts have found their way to this thread  :(

@ 2Cats

Thx for making it more understandable  :thumbsup:

Cheers guys.... 8)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: sniper on February 14, 2009, 08:47:17 AM
Hello Waaahome,

Thanks for your interesting system. I have read a number of time and still unsure of the grouping.I noticed sometime a number is selected when it falls in a group and sometime it's not selected. Maybe I still can't figure out certain condition for a number to be considered belonging to a group or not. Or do we have to decide whether it belongs to a certain group.Please correct me if I am wrong,because I am really confused.

Thank you very much

sniper
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on February 14, 2009, 09:43:36 AM
:) Hi Sniper.

We look at the carpet. if say 5 was spun we look at 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 if the next spin is not in this group we place it under the 5.
If it is in this group we place it next to 5 with a D

Let's say 17 was spun next.

So it is not in the 9 number group. So we put it under 5. We now look at 17 on the carpet. And the goup of numbers are 13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21. So the next spin if it is in this group of numbers will be put next to the vertival numbers with a D. If not in this group it get's put under the 17.

You see the groups of 9 numbers move with the number that was last spun. EXCEPT (correct me if I'm wrong Waaahome, BizzyT pointed it out to me) Let's say 1 was spun then the group of numbers will be 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9  and also at the end of the chart let's say 36 was spun then the group will be 31,32,33,34,35,36. Otherwise the nine numbers will be consisting of street either side of the last spun number + the street the number is in.

Numbers:

5,27,16,35,27,2,1,36,36,36,19,10,19,2,13,28,18,21,12,22,29,2,24,6,36,12,15,33,20,28,31,28,11,27,11,30,4,3,3

5    , D1 / 36   ,D36,D36 / 19  , D21 / 12 , D15 / 33 , D31,D28 / 11  , D3,D3
27                                   10             22            20                   27
16                                   19             29            28                   11
35                                    2              2                                    30
27                                   13             24                                   4
2                                     28             6
18             36
12

Hope I explained ok

lol. Not easy to explain this.

Cheers
Jakk
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: sniper on February 14, 2009, 09:56:38 AM
Hello Jakkalsdraai,

Thank you very much for your explanation.I really appreciate your willingness to help.What I am still unclear is this, no 17 is in the 10-18, 13-21 and 16-24 group. As we can see, it falls under 3 groups.Which group are we suppose to put in under?

Regards

sniper
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 14, 2009, 10:01:43 AM
Hello Jakkalsdraai,

Thank you very much for your explanation.I really appreciate your willingness to help.What I am still unclear is this, no 17 is in the 10-18, 13-21 and 16-24 group. As we can see, it falls under 3 groups.Which group are we suppose to put in under?

Regards

sniper

Hello.
17 falls under 1 group ONLY. 13-21.

when a number falls take it's middle street and two naighbours ones. and thats where you bet.

EACH NUMBER ONLY BELONGS TO ONE GROUPING ONLY.

Cheers.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: sniper on February 14, 2009, 10:06:00 AM
Hello Waaahome,

Thank you very much.I got it now.

Regards

sniper
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: winkel on February 14, 2009, 10:37:36 AM
Quote
You see the groups of 9 numbers move with the number that was last spun. EXCEPT (correct me if I'm wrong Waaahome, BizzyT pointed it out to me) Let's say 1 was spun then the group of numbers will be 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9  and also at the end of the chart let's say 36 was spun then the group will be 31,32,33,34,35,36. Otherwise the nine numbers will be consisting of street either side of the last spun number + the street the number is in.

If it is this way, we have two mistakes in the system:

1. The Layout on the carpet and so the selection to the groups got nothing to do with the things going on in the wheel.
2. If number 36 is group 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 it destroys the logical selection of the other groups.
0 is also part of the group 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 thats the same mistake, so we select some numbers more often than others.
for my understanding 0 or 36 should belong to a group 32 33 34 35 36 0 1 2 3 or 33 34 35 36 0 1 2 3 4

If the system would be changed to the wheel-order of the numbers it would be a simple sector-game. results known.

It could work better if the "Markov-Chain" is used

br
winkel
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 14, 2009, 10:56:55 AM
Hi Winkel.

This works not using the 0. I only use it if 26 or 32 comes out. Its is part of the extra 2 numbers that i bet.

As per the rest of the lay out i only use 9 numbers to bet. I do not mix anything likw 1,2,3, with 34,35,36.

Maybe you are continuing all around the layout.hmmmmmmmmmmmmm ???

I just follow to what i have. Nothing more is needed.

All i know is that these patterns happen over and over.

Maybe try betting?

Thank you for your interest mr Winkel.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rquest09 on February 14, 2009, 01:59:00 PM
Hi again waaahomw,

Think i may have got the jist of it  :)

Here is some numbers can you tell me if im right please? (i find it easier to write down the page does it make a difference?)

[table=,]
,/36
,D36
,/27
,D22
,/33,/18
,D19
,/34,/12
,D4
,/31,/5,/27,/7,/30,/8
,D11
,D7
,/24
[/table]

Thanks  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rquest09 on February 14, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
If i have got i right would that of been a win on d7??

Thanks
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 14, 2009, 02:28:23 PM
Hi again waaahomw,

Think i may have got the jist of it  :)

Here is some numbers can you tell me if im right please? (i find it easier to write down the page does it make a difference?)

[table=,]
,/36
,D36
,/27
,D22
,/33,/18
,D19
,/34,/12
,D4
,/31,/5,/27,/7,/30,/8
,D11
,D7
,/24
[/table]

Thanks  :thumbsup:

Yes that is correct, but the D4 and /12 ??????? do you see? 4 don't belong with 12

yes if you were using progression or not all the D's are in you pocket.

Try betting sequences. I usually bet progression upo to 5. If loos spin.or
Do not bet progression bet flat up to 5.

Use \$1 units or \$5 units. For exercise and see what the outcome is with both.

U got it man. Good Job. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rquest09 on February 14, 2009, 02:47:54 PM

Yes that is correct, but the D4 and /12 ??????? do you see? 4 don't belong with 12

Hmmm now im confussed again because in your table 4 is in 12:

1-9, 4-12, 7-15, 10-18, 13-21, 16-24, 19-27, 22-30, 25-33,
28-36.

U got it man. Good Job.  :thumbsup:

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: to you for sharing  :)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 14, 2009, 03:05:53 PM
Hmmm now im confussed again because in your table 4 is in 12:

1-9, 4-12, 7-15, 10-18, 13-21, 16-24, 19-27, 22-30, 25-33,
28-36.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: to you for sharing  :)

Think about it number 12 came up and than number 4.......Is number 4 part of 12?....no so it does not get a D. What are 9 numbers surrounding 12 ( 7-15)

4 is not one of them.hmmmmmmmmmm

but u got the idea yes?

thanks.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: TwoCatSam on February 14, 2009, 03:34:48 PM
I think I really got it this time!

So if we made the chart perfectly, how and where do we know to bet?

Sam
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: BangkokJEDI on February 14, 2009, 03:41:42 PM
Hi Waaahomw...thx for posting this method, and hello to everyone as this is my first post!! :thumbsup:

Ok below is a session from earlier today, iv got the basics of the system, but could you go into more detail about when to start to bet?

[table=,]
start,
/29,17,2,14,
D16,
D16,
D19,
/26
D30
/11,0,11,30,6,0,14,36,1,22,16
D17,
D20,
/10,
D9,
D11
/26,3
[/table]

Thanks

umm. Think twocat has just beat me to the question?!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: TwoCatSam on February 14, 2009, 03:46:48 PM
"For betting purposes i use 2 extra numbers. One on each side of the number that just hit. Total 11 numbers."

I totally don't understand the above.  Aren't you always betting the two numbers on each side of the number that came?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: BangkokJEDI on February 14, 2009, 03:52:40 PM
"For betting purposes i use 2 extra numbers. One on each side of the number that just hit. Total 11 numbers."

I totally don't understand the above.  Aren't you always betting the two numbers on each side of the number that came?

He means he bets the 2x numbers from the wheel layout as well as the 9x numbers around the the numbers that just hit.

so say 17..he would bet.... 13 - 21 (the 9 numbers around 17) also 25, 34 (the numbers beside 17 on the layout),

cheers
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rquest09 on February 14, 2009, 04:06:30 PM
Waaahome, is this what you would bet if it was 1-9?

[table=]
gp 1-9

[36][3][6][9]
[2][5][8]
[1][4][7][10]
[/table]

And thanks for clearing the other up i get you now  ;)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: TwoCatSam on February 14, 2009, 04:42:07 PM
JEDI

I see what you mean.  I was confusing the table with the wheel.

OK, now how do we follow a pattern?   Do we wait for x number of verticals to bet for a horizontal?

We seem to be deciphering this puzzle!

Sam

I don't know what to think of the piercing video..........
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 14, 2009, 05:31:24 PM
Betting.

I'm really going to try to explain. Please, patience patience everyone ::) for i am not so good at explaining ::) ::) ::) ::)

I look for a horizontal pattern offcourse. All the verticalls are no good.
The only way to see that is by spinning and paying attention to what is going on.

I spin for say half a page and wait for a Several Vertical Patterns Following EACH OTHER. Becouse that happens also. Than the HORIZONTALLS will follow.

Please understand this part. This is basically the whole secret. I Dont have a rule that i go buy. I just studdied mine Spins that i collected over the years.

The only way to get it is to hop on a Horizontal Pattern and collect. Thats what u are looking for.

You just have to see enough of this for it to be clear.

I understand that to most people this is new aproach.

Try immitating your previous pages look at them.
Look at the D's. look at the numbers. they will foolow each other like D2  D4  , Or jump D2  /13  D14,  or go down verticall for 2 like this D2  /23  D11.
/10

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr this is going to be dificult. :-\
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 14, 2009, 05:35:20 PM
Give me examples. This will be the best way to get this across. :thumbsup:

Give spins and rewrite tham so i can see that u know all about that part.

Than we can go through them and explain the betting patterns.

Thanks.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: BangkokJEDI on February 14, 2009, 06:36:21 PM
I'am starting to like this  ;D...
[table=,]
start
11,D10,32,D35,19,D12,1,D27,D26,33,D35,2,D4,36,D35,D33,21,D20,D22,D20,D19,31,D28,5
,,1,,9,,27,,,7,,16,,,,,,,,,,,,17
,,35,,,,,,,32,,7,,,,,,,,,,,,24
,,16
,,33
[/table]

nice session eh!!

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 14, 2009, 06:56:36 PM
I'am starting to like this  ;D...
[table=,]
start
11,D10,32,D35,19,D12,1,D27,D26,33,D35,2,D4,36,D35,D33,21,D20,D22,D20,D19,31,D28,5
,,1,,9,,27,,,7,,16,,,,,,,,,,,,17
,,35,,,,,,,32,,7,,,,,,,,,,,,24
,,16
,,33
[/table]

looks good. the best part is it can go on and on.......

did you bet on this in anyway?

stupid question, self explanitory right?

spin away and let see some crapy ones and work on how to miss them.

Cheers mr Jedi!

nice session eh!!

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on February 14, 2009, 09:10:01 PM
;D Hi guys......this is now Sunday morning here.........02:05 in the morning and I have had a hole lot of White Horse Whisky......... and yes it was good.......This is how i see it. Waaahome explained that we must look at the big picture.

This means. If we get vertical group followed by 2 D's and another vertical group followed by two D's andwe get another vertical group with the last spin being a D. Well we would bet now cause we would say that because before we had 2D's and 2d's it will happen again.So we will bet that 2 D's appear again.

Correct Waaahome?

Cheers
Jakk
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 14, 2009, 09:59:46 PM
;D Hi guys......this is now Sunday morning here.........02:05 in the morning and I have had a hole lot of White Horse Whisky......... and yes it was good.......This is how i see it. Waaahome explained that we must look at the big picture.

This means. If we get vertical group followed by 2 D's and another vertical group followed by two D's andwe get another vertical group with the last spin being a D. Well we would bet now cause we would say that because before we had 2D's and 2d's it will happen again.So we will bet that 2 D's appear again.

Correct Waaahome?

Cheers
Jakk

Hello! Jakk.

Why don't you bring some of that Whisky down here so we can all have some. :)

Yes you bet After the D's. They are your trigger. You are immitating your spins that you have already coded this way.

If you do this enough you will get it i assure you.

Please continue spinning and betting funny money. Get the feel of it.

Do not get mad and do not let it strees you out.

We are a long way to understand this yet.

Just spin a page or two a day. Go over that page and study it.

-Where you would have bet,
-how many times to bet
-how much , and so on......................

Send me the spins with questions please......

Cheers Jakk!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rquest09 on February 14, 2009, 11:04:58 PM
Ok Waaahome here is 114 live spins what would you have done here?

4
D8
D8
D2
/23 /17
D18
D21
/9  /17 /4  /36 /13
D13
/36 /17 /9
D4
/0  /34 /15 /31
D29
/13 /9
D7
/29 /0  /36 /10
D14
/29 /13 /20 /35 /24 /5  /35 /22
D24
/0  /17
D21
D17
/34 /21
D19
/14 /35 /3  /30 /5 /33 /18
D17
/1  /22 /30
D25
D26
/13 /23 /28 /14 /6
D5
/10 /0  /20 /8  /20 /8 /29 /2  /16 /10 /2  /0  /1 /30 /8
D10
/27
D29
/9  /14
D13
/1  /16
D13
/34 /2  /29
D25
/31
D36
/6  /15 /23
D24
/4  /18 /9
D3
D8
D6
/36
D36
/1  /26 /31 /4  /32
D34

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Compa on February 14, 2009, 11:08:04 PM
Hello. I would like to ask how this very excellent method is "suppose" to hit? Ie. On first,second spin? Or may we expect longer sequences before hit?

Cheers
/Compa
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 15, 2009, 12:34:50 AM
Ok Waaahome here is 114 live spins what would you have done here?

4
D8
D8
D2
/23 /17
D18
D21
/9  /17 /4  /36 /13
D13
/36 /17 /9
D4
/0  /34 /15 /31
D29
/13 /9
D7
/29 /0  /36 /10
D14
/29 /13 /20 /35 /24 /5  /35 /22
D24
/0  /17
D21
D17
/34 /21
D19
/14 /35 /3  /30 /5 /33 /18
D17
/1  /22 /30
D25
D26
/13 /23 /28 /14 /6
D5
/10 /0  /20 /8  /20 /8 /29 /2  /16 /10 /2  /0  /1 /30 /8
D10
/27
D29
/9  /14
D13
/1  /16
D13
/34 /2  /29
D25
/31
D36
/6  /15 /23
D24
/4  /18 /9
D3
D8
D6
/36
D36
/1  /26 /31 /4  /32
D34

Yes, heavy winning from the start. You hit a repeat D8. Dead in the centre. I always put an extra chip on repeats.That would be it for me for the day. You see i just always after the first D. Like at the begging see how D's are following each other?

NOTE the D2 is not part of D8.numbers belonging to D8 are (4-12)

So one way is.........See a D bet right after it. and continue untill it stops hitting. Sometimes you can catch 3 or 4 in a row. With \$5 chips thats alot of money.

So the 2 is a loss, i would stop betting.look after /17 than D18.........so we have a D so i bet around it and hit 21. part of D18 yes?

made money back for that 2 and here i FOR SURE STOP for the day. ;)

That would have taken you about 10 min.

But just for the example lets cont....

I would cont to hit and lose. After 21 a 9. a loss.START SPINNING until see next D. loose again. OK THIS IS FREEKY to explain..... i try....

When ever you get that feeling o not hitting your D's i START SPINNING THE SHIT OUT OF THIS THING.
Count down how many misses you have?

You have7. You see that?

Always in case like this i spin to see the next D D. , or D / D or D//D. You get what i'm looking at? Becouse after that thing swill change. They always do.

Look at your spins. After the big crapy 7 reds you have a jump, 3 more reds another jump.

SEE THE D29 in the middle after /27. Thats mine Trigger. These RNG or whatever you call tham they will change patterns.
After that it is very clear to see how it changes to a horizontal pattern.

What i'm saying is the horizontals stay GLUED together and the Verticals.

You can almost cut this thing in Half.........

This was just and explanation from mine point of view.

I hope it helped a little.

Cheers.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 15, 2009, 12:43:59 AM
Ok Waaahome here is 114 live spins what would you have done here?

4
D8
D8
D2
/23 /17
D18
D21
/9  /17 /4  /36 /13
D13
/36 /17 /9
D4
/0  /34 /15 /31
D29
/13 /9
D7
/29 /0  /36 /10
D14
/29 /13 /20 /35 /24 /5  /35 /22
D24
/0  /17
D21
D17
/34 /21
D19
/14 /35 /3  /30 /5 /33 /18
D17
/1  /22 /30
D25
D26
/13 /23 /28 /14 /6
D5
/10 /0  /20 /8  /20 /8 /29 /2  /16 /10 /2  /0  /1 /30 /8
D10
/27
D29
/9  /14
D13
/1  /16
D13
/34 /2  /29
D25
/31
D36
/6  /15 /23
D24
/4  /18 /9
D3
D8
D6
/36
D36
/1  /26 /31 /4  /32
D34

Also try this:

No progression. After every D make a bet. So follow where ever the ball lands just follow it. but ONLY i repeat ONLY up to 5 times.

Get it?

Try that and see how it recovers.

So see all your "reds" you would of got all the jumps the // the /// and the ////..... you win more even though you loose becouse u are betting 11 numbers.

Do the math and it makes sense, it will to your pocket.

try it with \$5 chips.

Your every bet should be around 120 units with an extra on the repeat.

O yea, this is the only system that will catch all the repeats........ Get it? ;)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on February 15, 2009, 07:13:31 AM
Hi folks
I really wish I could get a handle on this it seems like a really novel way to see things.
Now I understood the G.U.T. quite quick and got 4 selecta too .....but this!!!!!
Thank you thank you
TSK
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Compa on February 15, 2009, 07:35:11 AM
Waahome! How do we play when we get a Jump situation? Ie. We have a splendid Bet situation and all of a sudden the numbers start to jump all over the carpet?

Cheers
/Compa
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Natural9 on February 15, 2009, 08:50:17 AM
Can someone show how much they bet and where on their spins and the payoff plus or minus at the end of the session might help me get the jist of it

Regards Rodney
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Compa on February 15, 2009, 12:15:41 PM
Hello Waahome and you Guys. Now, I have here (if possible) simplified things and show the Tracking of the numbers in another way.
I hope the proper way. If not i got to return to the classroom..

Ok here is some numbers :

0
33
30 /Bet [33.30 in same group]
23 L
23 L
2   L
16 L
36 W
16
28
36 /Bet [28.36 in same group]
0   L
20 L
12 L
1   L
36 W
------------

If this is properly executed, i dont see how its possible to catch these groups. Since they jump all over all the time and 4-5 spins to win...

Cheers
/Compa
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rquest09 on February 15, 2009, 12:31:07 PM

This should help make this more clear,

There are 12 groups with 9 numbers each:

A)             B)            C)             D)              E)                 F)                G)                H)                I)                 J)                 K)                  L)
3,6,9         3,6,9        6,9,12        9,12,15      12,15,18        15,18,21        18,21,24       21,24,27        24,27,30       27,30,33        30,33,36         30,33,36
2,5,8         2,5,8        5,8,11        8,11,14      11,14,17        14,17,20        17,20,23       20,23,26        23,26,29       26,29,32        29,32,35         29,32,35
1,4,7         1,4,7        4,7,10        7,10,13      10,13,16        13,16,19        16,19,22       19,22,25        22,25,28       25,27,31        28,31,34         28,31,34

Thats the 12 groups and the numbers in red are the main group numbers.

Now say 1 was the first number spun and the next number spun was 9 look at the chart at group A where the 1 is and you will see 9 is in that group so mark it D9

Example:

1
D9

Now say the next number spun was 22, now look in group C with the 9 and you will see 22 is not in group C so now we write /22 under D9

Example:

1
D9
/22

Now say the next number spun is 15, now look in group H where the 22 is and you will see 15 is not in group H so we write /15 next to /22

Example:

1
D9
/22/15

Now say the next number spun is 12, now look in group E where the 15 is and you will see that 12 is in group E so we now write under row /22/15  a D12...and so on

1
D9
/22/15
D12

Hope this helps.

Cheers
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: TwoCatSam on February 15, 2009, 02:56:46 PM
09

That is a great illustration.  Very easy to understand.

Sam
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rquest09 on February 15, 2009, 03:18:28 PM
Here is 250 live spins and in green i have put a good batch and red  a bad batch and blue is a trigger.. i see what Waaahome is on about now :)

9
D5
/12/36/20
D18
/26/8/25
D25
D22
/8/1/12/34/11/3/30/23/11/4/16
D13
/34/22/30/5/16/10/32
D35
/4/17/1/30/5/13
D15
/20/3
D2
D2
/10
D14
D15
/9/32/24/8
D5
/22/33/6
D1
/30/11/21/29/14/31/2/26
D27
/7/29/20
D19
D23
/12/17/1/23/29/1/32
D36
/6/29/8/35/14/0/29/4/29
D31
/24/5
D3
/14/3
D5
/24/29/13/30/23/9/33
D33
/23/11/6/34/12
D13
/34/11/22/28/6
D8
/34/22/30
D28
/2
D8
/31/17/1/23/11
D8
D11
D15
/6/14
D18
/2/17/33/8/0/23
D21
/2/0/33/13
D11
/16/8/0/14/3/34/24/30/9/13/7/17/0/18
D15
/2
D3
/23/29/1/22/13/2/31/10/19/8
D11
D13
D16
D18
/9/29/36
D33
/19/36/1/20/28/18/27
D25
D24
/31
D30
D33
D29
/36/23/28
D31
D33
/1
D2
/24/16
D20
/26
D26
/35
D36
/9
D9
/15/6/36/20/34
D30
D26
/0/0/13/21/28
D29
/35/22/9
D10
/27/2/15/5
D8
D12
/35
D34
/24/13/22/2/30/15/8
D5
/10/34
D34
/9/28/35/16
D16/34/10/6/35

Now going by that if you start by betting (maybe flat bet or progression?) and stopped at 5 on a red row then start again on a D maybe it could work?

This is the w/l doing it that way:

wwwwlllwwwwwwlwwllwwlllwwlwwwlwlwlwwwwlwwwwwwwwwwwlwlwwwwlww

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Compa on February 15, 2009, 05:17:19 PM
HOW DOES ONE DEAL WITH THE J.U.M.P.S???????????

And when do we bet????????
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on February 15, 2009, 05:38:46 PM
@Rquest09
Thank you my friend I get that now
But when do we bet .Can you tell me that too please??
TSK
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Compa on February 15, 2009, 06:15:09 PM
Ok Spider, here's what we do..as soon as we got a Dx we bet that group until hit. Max 5 spins flat though..

GL mate;)
Cheers
/Compa
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rquest09 on February 15, 2009, 06:22:29 PM
@Rquest09
Thank you my friend I get that now
But when do we bet .Can you tell me that too please??
The Spiders Kiss

Explaining how it worked was in the end the easy bit!  how to bet on it is a tough one  :-\...  you never really know if a long red streak or a green D streak is coming next  >:D maybe Waaahome has the answer ive tried a couple of ways but ended up with - sessions  :-[

Thanks

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rquest09 on February 15, 2009, 06:25:21 PM
Ok Spider, here's what we do..as soon as we got a Dx we bet that group until hit. Max 5 spins flat though..

GL mate;)
Cheers
/Compa

Hi Compa,

I thought that was a good idea until i tried it but ended bad.. could just be the numbers i had.

Cheers,

Rquest
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on February 15, 2009, 06:32:42 PM
TSK
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rquest09 on February 15, 2009, 07:32:57 PM
The Spiders Kiss

No worries mate  ;)

I wonder where waaahome is?? hope he comes back to further explain.

cheers
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Compa on February 15, 2009, 07:34:22 PM
Explaining how it worked was in the end the easy bit!  how to bet on it is a tough one  :-\...  you never really know if a long red streak or a green D streak is coming next  >:D maybe Waaahome has the answer ive tried a couple of ways but ended up with - sessions  :-[

Thanks

Yeah! Real difficult that one..i continue the research...

Compa
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on February 16, 2009, 02:41:28 AM
Interesting enough. There are patterns within the patterns. Look at the vertical numbers. You will even see there patterns repeating itself over and over again. Even here is betting opportunities.

Cheers
Jakk
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Compa on February 16, 2009, 07:45:38 AM
Interesting Jakk. Please give an example mate.

Cheers
/Compa
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on February 16, 2009, 07:54:53 AM
D5
/10 /0  /20 /8  /20 /8 /29 /2  /16 /10 /2  /0  /1 /30 /8

Hi Compa look at this. I took this from page 7 in this thread.

look at the pattern. 20 shows. then 8. then 20 again. then 8 again
Look then. 2 shows. Then 2 spins later it shows again. I have tracked a helluva lot of may old cards from landbased casino.

I would get alot of alternating sections.

like 33
14
34
19
36

etc. You see by looking at the whole picture and what patterns form we have lot's of opportunity to bet.

Cheers mate
Jakk
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 21, 2009, 11:46:43 PM
The Master Gramps is back from a long trip. 8)

Happy to see you guys trying to bet now.

Does any have any results???????

Lets have them.....
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rquest09 on February 22, 2009, 12:01:02 AM
The Master Gramps is back from a long trip. 8)

Happy to see you guys trying to bet now.

Does any have any results???????

Lets have them.....
Hi Waaahome,

Hope you enjoyed your trip mate?

If you read back a few pages when you left we were all kinda stuck on where/when to bet so hopfully you can help us out?

Cheers

Rquest
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 22, 2009, 12:39:57 AM
Here is 250 live spins and in green I have put a good batch and red  a bad batch and blue is a trigger.. I see what Waaahome is on about now :)

9
D5
/12/36/20
D18
/26/8/25
D25
D22
/8/1/12/34/11/3/30/23/11/4/16
D13
/34/22/30/5/16/10/32
D35
/4/17/1/30/5/13
D15
/20/3
D2
D2
/10
D14
D15
/9/32/24/8
D5
/22/33/6
D1
/30/11/21/29/14/31/2/26
D27
/7/29/20
D19
D23
/12/17/1/23/29/1/32
D36
/6/29/8/35/14/0/29/4/29
D31
/24/5
D3
/14/3
D5
/24/29/13/30/23/9/33
D33
/23/11/6/34/12
D13
/34/11/22/28/6
D8
/34/22/30
D28
/2
D8
/31/17/1/23/11
D8
D11
D15
/6/14
D18
/2/17/33/8/0/23
D21
/2/0/33/13
D11
/16/8/0/14/3/34/24/30/9/13/7/17/0/18
D15
/2
D3
/23/29/1/22/13/2/31/10/19/8
D11
D13
D16
D18
/9/29/36
D33
/19/36/1/20/28/18/27
D25
D24
/31
D30
D33
D29
/36/23/28
D31
D33
/1
D2
/24/16
D20
/26
D26
/35
D36
/9
D9
/15/6/36/20/34
D30
D26
/0/0/13/21/28
D29
/35/22/9
D10
/27/2/15/5
D8
D12
/35
D34
/24/13/22/2/30/15/8
D5
/10/34
D34
/9/28/35/16
D16/34/10/6/35

Now going by that if you start by betting (maybe flat bet or progression?) and stopped at 5 on a red row then start again on a D maybe it could work?

This is the w/l doing it that way:

wwwwlllwwwwwwlwwllwwlllwwlwwwlwlwlwwwwlwwwwwwwwwwwlwlwwwwlww

WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES This is the way to think of it.

Now why didn'ti think of colouring. :-\ The only thing i did was write horizontally.

We can work with this for sure.

We have to use more colours for easier explanation. but yes you bet after the D. The green spots. YOU Will Lose And than you get alot more back.

I have to see how to do it this way now.....

back in a bit....
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: TwoCatSam on February 22, 2009, 12:48:58 AM
Dang!  I love a collaborative effort!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 22, 2009, 01:12:51 AM
Yes now everyone one is getting this mystery.........roullete is not so random is it?

For betting i look for patterns DD or D/D or D//D or D///D or D////D or D/////D to catch any of these D. You do that and you win yes?

Now to catch any one but "DD" you must use a little progression to get ahead yes? if you stop at 5.

You guys get this part?

i will stop now and keep going if everyone has it up untill now?

Questions?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rquest09 on February 22, 2009, 08:13:47 AM
Waaahome, maybe you should go through that set of numbers i posted and show us how you would of bet the whole way through?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 22, 2009, 02:01:57 PM
Ok let me explain step by step how i noticed these things that are hapenning and also how i use them. Now one step at a time.

Look closely at only one pattern. DD

Find the first one. Than count how many times it does not appear.

For now Just pay attention to this one and only accurance.

It happens and than it desapears does it not?

SO FIRST ONE:D25 D22.Triger. .......SO now next you see the next D you see you bet right after that hits.

You loose right?

I continue to bet 3 D's.  for three times. If now hit hapenns i stop betting and START SPINNING.

This is mine security that if i get a shit run i will spinn through it. get it?

Keep going. Next DD  that happens is D2D2. Another trigger. Time to bet. The spinning gets throug the shitty part.

Now look what happens after 14 u hit 15. Winner.

Look what happens after : YOU GET THE DDDD accurance all over the place.

Look at it this way. Think this way. I will stop for now, so u can practice thinking this way ov playing.

See how many wins u get later on?

But this only covers the DD accurance for now.

Thanks.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Compa on February 23, 2009, 10:56:23 AM
Hello mate. Ok, so 2 triggers from the same group and we bet that group for 3 spins right?

Cheers
/Compa

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 23, 2009, 04:19:57 PM
Hello mate. Ok, so 2 triggers from the same group and we bet that group for 3 spins right?

Cheers
/Compa

Yes. you see this :DD. That Would be a trigger.

So next D that comes up You bet.

If no hit in 3 tries keep spining until you see DD again.

Try it.

This is only the beginning.....

Cheers.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Coxx16 on March 20, 2009, 08:06:24 PM
Hi waaahome

Is there more to this system?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on March 22, 2009, 11:37:58 AM
Hi Coxx16!

No this is it. Mine question is do you understand it completly?

I will explain everything from scratch again by using VIDEO and PICTURES..... it is the only way to do it to understand it fully.

How old is roullete? How many systems are out to beat it?    this approach beats it.....

but it's not easy to understand it.

It's complicated and it stays that way so u BEAT THE CASINO , not the other way........

IF THIS GAME WAS SO SIMPLE TO BEAT IT WOULD NOT EXIST. AND CASINO WOULD NOT BE THEIR IN THE MORNING.
IF U HAVE SOMETHING DI YOU THING AND GET"OUT" BEFORE THEY KICK you ASSSSSS ESSS out.

Now who is going to help Gramps with VIDEO and PICTURES? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: TwoCatSam on March 25, 2009, 10:35:02 PM
Gramps

I am a past master at the art of making videos.  How may I help you?

Sam
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Natural9 on March 26, 2009, 12:53:17 AM
Is this method still winning ?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on March 27, 2009, 11:50:04 PM
yes it is.

i will go through it from scratch for i am sure alot of people did not understand how it's done.

Cheers.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 12:17:14 AM
yes it is.

I will go through it from scratch for I am sure alot of people did not understand how it's done.

Cheers.

No Dis-respect my mate but I see no winner here im afraid, I've reread this many times and its dead end stuff. though I will hand it to you and take my hat off in the process if you can prove otherwise my good fellow ;)

br,

LimpIN
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on March 28, 2009, 12:31:22 AM
I would like to see how you play it. How you bet. and all the rest............

The only thing i can do though is scan mine cheques that i receive and post them on here........

do you understand this approach completly?

Dead end?  ....... trust me you are doing something wrong.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 12:36:39 AM
I would like to see how you play it. How you bet. and all the rest............

The only thing I can do though is scan mine cheques that I receive and post them on here........

do you understand this approach completly?

Dead end?  ....... trust me you are doing something wrong.

I'm going by whats wrote here and really dont see something winning... please I hate to say it and I'm not against you (I'm on your side dude) just can't see where it can profit. what you should do is give 2 or 3 long real money examples of it winning, then I'l take back what I have said.

I'd love to see it winning my good freind :)

Very Best Regards,

LimpIN
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on March 28, 2009, 12:43:03 AM
ok than.

Show me how to do the following:

A roullete lay out with mine bets" is their an option like that in here somewhere?

If not tell me how to record something like on u tube and post it on here or where ever.

After u watch me play you can judge and see if u are doing the same :thumbsup:

ok?

Cheers.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 12:58:38 AM
I'am starting to like this  ;D...
[table=,]
start
11,D10,32,D35,19,D12,1,D27,D26,33,D35,2,D4,36,D35,D33,21,D20,D22,D20,D19,31,D28,5
,,1,,9,,27,,,7,,16,,,,,,,,,,,,17
,,35,,,,,,,32,,7,,,,,,,,,,,,24
,,16
,,33
[/table]

nice session eh!!

Apart from that I guess :D

I will post you some real wheel numbers 1 at a time  and you play the session out as you would? yeah?

would be fun too :D
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on March 28, 2009, 01:07:22 AM
you are defeneatly doing something wrong mine friend....

this is a big winner. You have repeats all over the place. you could have used progresion up to 5 ( is what i use )  or just flat "11 number bet" and kick ass.

good job writing down spins.

much better than in verticall. picture much clearer. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 01:09:03 AM
if you say how your going to play it i will dish out the numbers until you get your trigger, yeah?

its 200 numbers and i have not tested your system with them.

:)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 01:11:12 AM
Lol no waaahome that was a quote from a post ages back of a good one! not mine!

are you in? do you wanna play?

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on March 28, 2009, 01:13:34 AM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 01:15:47 AM
ok i will give you 6 ..how are you going to play? 1 or 2 D's trigger?

31
13
23
36
4
13
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on March 28, 2009, 01:18:39 AM
no trigger keep spinning.

u know how about screen sharring software.  than i show you live yes.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 01:22:26 AM
no trigger keep spinning.

u know how about screen sharring software.  than I show you live yes.

No idea no???

Here are the next 6..

12
30
8
15
34
22

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on March 28, 2009, 01:24:35 AM
nothing . keep spinning until until u start seeing DD.

Gramps.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 01:34:52 AM
nothing . keep spinning until until u start seeing DD.

Gramps.

were looking like this so far am i right?

[table=,]
31,D12,30
13,,8
23,,15
36,,34
4,,22
13
[/table]

will keep going till double D then give you one at a time
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 01:39:12 AM
Ok got there here is your first DD

4
20
25
22
10
10
27
17
12
36
9
16
30
5
15
20
13
18
34
33
15
25
27
26

what will you do now?? how many units to bet if you bet?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 01:41:41 AM
By the way i am going along with this on Roulette Xtreme and will tell you what you win or lose as we go.

That was 60 spins by the way till our first DD

;)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 01:50:22 AM
Also waaa you can bet as big or as little as you like money no object here ive given you a 5K bankroll :D
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on March 28, 2009, 01:59:29 AM
Ok got there here is your first DD

4
20
25
22
10
10
27
17
12
36
9
16
30
5
15
20
13
18
34
33
15
25
27
26

what will you do now?? how many units to bet if you bet?

22 is another D after 3 , so HERE WE GO SHIT WILL HIT THE FAN!!!

second 10 which is a repeat.

use nickles form mine bet so thats way over 500 profit yes.

lets get greedy .............

u loose on the 27 continue to spinn for another trigger which is 18 , part of 13.

than 34 and 33 a winner yes?

more greedy? ok

25 27 26 ............27 is trigger 26 part of 27 , another winner!

that is how gramps plays.

u see how it's done?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 02:02:49 AM
Hold on lol thought we were going for a DD??? HAHAHAHA you crack me up.. right shall we start again with different numbers waiting till you get 1 D?

:o
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on March 28, 2009, 02:12:44 AM
yes u are going for DD but i also wrote  1000 000  times that a D/D or D//D or D///D will also win you money. A D/D i also a trigger.

these patterns stick together like glue.

Rewrite you spins that u gave me and look at them. use \$5 chips and their is no way u are loosing this way.

NO WAY!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on March 28, 2009, 02:16:07 AM
read in Winkel post about driving a car and passing islands and trees and stuff.....................

i don't know the post number sorry ..........

this is exactly how one must think of this aproach.

I showed you the fundamentals. U must learn to see the rest.

Cheers.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 02:16:38 AM
Ok sorry, um F it new spins, i will go to the first D and you tell me what you would like to bet after each spin ok?

;) ;) ;) :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 02:22:59 AM
As you can probaly tell by my name i like poker and Waaahome i have called your bluff. you wanna play or go drivivng passing islands and trees and stuff? [smiley=3/jayz.gif]
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on March 28, 2009, 02:30:01 AM
He makes alot of sence writing that stuff. Did you read  it?

Great aproach in understanding how to  beat the Beast!Please go on and post you spins. i love doing this. Gambling is mine life.Yes! it is.And i love it.!!!!!!!

I will finish for today but if you can get find out about screen sharring i can explain this so much better live.

Cheers.

Lets have some spins.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 02:39:03 AM
He makes alot of sence writing that stuff. Did you read  it?

Great aproach in understanding how to  beat the Beast!Please go on and post you spins. I love doing this. Gambling is mine life.Yes! it is.And I love it.!!!!!!!

I will finish for today but if you can get find out about screen sharring I can explain this so much better live.

Cheers.

Lets have some spins.

Ok i must head to bed now but will hopfully catch you tommrow with some fresh spins and we can see you in action that way huh?

Cheers now,

LimpIN
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Lohnro on March 28, 2009, 02:51:01 AM
u know how about screen sharing software.

waaahome, if you google - screenhunter free, you can capture your screen and post the attachment. Hope this is what you are after?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on March 28, 2009, 11:57:27 AM
yes thank you.

Screenhunter will try.

I'm out for few days.

Will kick ass next week.

Have a nice weekend all. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
Right Waaahomw I think its fair to say the reason you want to make a video is so that you can film it winning (just like some system sellers have done in the past) but I warn you if you do that and give a faulse impression of this you will make alot of people lose their money!

I think you would'nt play along with me because you knew you would probaly lose.

Here is why I think it will lose,

If you wait for a D or DD or any amount of D's for a trigger you most will defently come accross this at some point:

[table=,]
D,#,D,#
,#,,#
,#,,#
,#,,#
,#,,#
,#,,#
,#,,#
,#,,#
,#,,#
,#,,#
[/table]

Or:

[table=,]
D,D,#,D,D,#
,,#,,,#
,,#,,,#
,,#,,,#
,,#,,,#
,,#,,,#
,,#,,,#
,,#,,,#
,,#,,,#
,,#,,,#
[/table]

Each one of # = 9 numbers to bet on and the first row of 10 would be 90 flat bet... how could you recover from that??? there is no progression/flat bet way to make money from this situation and it happens more than rows of DDDDD's

LimpIN

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: xman1970 on March 28, 2009, 12:33:18 PM
Right Waaahomw I think its fair to say the reason you want to make a video is so that you can film it winning (just like some system sellers have done in the past) but I warn you if you do that and give a faulse impression of this you will make alot of people lose their money!

Hi LimpIN  ;)

Waahome ISN'T a system seller & whether you play his system or not is SOLELY up to you.

He's not MAKING anybody do anything......

The system would appear is be difficult to follow, so making a video WILL help other people get to grips with it a bit better....

Let's give him that chance Eh ??
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 01:04:00 PM
Hi LimpIN  ;)

Waahome ISN'T a system seller & whether you play his system or not is SOLELY up to you.

He's not MAKING anybody do anything......

The system would appear is be difficult to follow, so making a video WILL help other people get to grips with it a bit better....

Let's give him that chance Eh ??

Hi Xman,

I know he is no seller was just saying thats what system sellers do to make it look good, and my point is if he makes it look good, some people would go out n play it (thier own fault i know) and probaly lose.

As for given him a chance, reread the thread he has had plenty! i gave him a great chance to prove it last night and all he did was make me call out a load of numbers so he could see how he could make a win from them BUT that was'nt the game we were playing  :(

My intuition has told me all along that this would not work. he probaly made some money from it at some point but i really cant see a winner here. yeah sure you give me 50 spins and i could make it look good but you give me a spin at a time like a dealer and it wont be so easy.

LimpIN

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: xman1970 on March 28, 2009, 01:13:30 PM
Hi Xman,

I know he is no seller was just saying thats what system sellers do to make it look good, and my point is if he makes it look good, some people would go out n play it (thier own fault I know) and probaly lose.

As for given him a chance, reread the thread he has had plenty! I gave him a great chance to prove it last night and all he did was make me call out a load of numbers so he could see how he could make a win from them BUT that was'nt the game we were playing  :(

My intuition has told me all along that this would not work. he probaly made some money from it at some point but I really cant see a winner here. yeah sure you give me 50 spins and I could make it look good but you give me a spin at a time like a dealer and it wont be so easy.

LimpIN

Fair enough LimpIN  ;)

Always good to have an educated discussion..... 8)

Well time & testing will tell Eh, Here's hoping (and pls don't take this the wrong way) that he proves you incorrect.....

Take it easy.... 8)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 01:21:49 PM
Fair enough LimpIN  ;)

Always good to have an educated discussion..... 8)

Well time & testing will tell Eh, Here's hoping (and pls don't take this the wrong way) that he proves you incorrect.....

Take it easy.... 8)

I hope he does prove me incorrect  ;)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 01:34:06 PM

The betting part is really hard to explain. In past hmmmmmmmm.3 years I tryed to bet many diffrent ways. Flat bet, Progression bet.

This is the bit that gets me, in the 3 years he has played this surley he has written some results down... the way he played...units used...end bankroll ect.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: xman1970 on March 28, 2009, 01:44:34 PM
This is the bit that gets me, in the 3 years he has played this surley he has written some results down... the way he played...units used...end bankroll ect.

Hey I hear Ya LimpIN.....

I was in chat the v 1st time Waahome was, v polite, no "I'm the greatest thing since sliced bread" and in general came across as decent (BTW decent is a v high accolade in my book)

So lets pls remember English is not his 1st language & (I know from past experiences) explaining something that to you is 2nd nature, is NOT always easy to explain to the uninitiated ....  :-[

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 28, 2009, 02:08:28 PM
Hey I hear Ya LimpIN.....

I was in chat the v 1st time Waahome was, v polite, no "I'm the greatest thing since sliced bread" and in general came across as decent (BTW decent is a v high accolade in my book)

So lets pls remember English is not his 1st language & (I know from past experiences) explaining something that to you is 2nd nature, is NOT always easy to explain to the uninitiated ....  :-[

I like the guy and like his approach on writting out the numbers like that.

I too have followed this from the start just not posted till now.

i have tested this many a time scratching my head as to how you can profit from it consistantly and can't :( so i guess i was just trying to speed things along by putting Waaahome on the spot like that.

My argument is that you never know if the next spin is going to be a D or a /# or the start of a streak of D's or a streak of /#'s.

And i'm sure thats why when he has asked for numbers from people he can make it up as he goes along.

But time will tell ;)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on March 29, 2009, 11:13:54 AM
:) Hi Limpit,

Xman is correct. Waaahome is only trying to help co members on this forum. He has nothing to gain from this. I also like his approach of tracking numbers.

I think though that the actual betting part is what makes it difficult. Sorry for saying this Waahome, but you are not the greatest when it comes to explaining. I know though that you have the best of intentions and also that you stick to what you believe in. This alone says alot about you. (For the good)

Hopefully we can see with examples how you actually place bets and why you place bets and when.

Maybe if I post actuals from our local brick and Mortar casino you can Show us how it is done.

Your work here is appreciated. Sometimes the simplest of system are difficult to explain. Your system of tracking and betting is not so simple so understandably more difficult to explain. TCS has offered his help with Video.

All the best mate
Jakk
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 29, 2009, 12:30:22 PM
:) Hi Limpit,

Xman is correct. Waaahome is only trying to help co members on this forum. He has nothing to gain from this. I also like his approach of tracking numbers.

I think though that the actual betting part is what makes it difficult. Sorry for saying this Waahome, but you are not the greatest when it comes to explaining. I know though that you have the best of intentions and also that you stick to what you believe in. This alone says alot about you. (For the good)

Hopefully we can see with examples how you actually place bets and why you place bets and when.

Maybe if I post actuals from our local brick and Mortar casino you can Show us how it is done.

Your work here is appreciated. Sometimes the simplest of system are difficult to explain. Your system of tracking and betting is not so simple so understandably more difficult to explain. TwoCatSam has offered his help with Video.

All the best mate
Jakk

Hi Jakk,

I was trying to help him and everyone interested in this finally see it in action by dishing Waaahome numbers one at a time.

I have no problem with him,was just pushing for answers.. sorry if it came accross that way  :-[

If you read through again you will see i said im on his side.. i dont know about you but i want to see this through? also if i spot things that don't add up i will point it out for ALL.

LimpIN

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 29, 2009, 12:42:51 PM
I guess what im trying to say is that at the start people were being very rude and negative but really im trying to be constructive in a funny kind of way

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 29, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
I took these 86 spins and tried to find a way to make it profitable using flatbet/progressions and can only make a small profit in places does anyone have any ideas?

[table=,]
9,D5,12,D18,26,D25,D22,8,D16,34,D35,4,D15,20,D2,D2,10,D14,D15,9,D5,22,D1,30,D27,7,D19,D23,12,D36,6,D31
,,36,,8,,,1,,22,,17,,3,,,,,,32,,33,,11,,29,,,17,,29
,,20,,25,,,12,,30,,1,,,,,,,,24,,6,,21,,20,,,1,,8
,,,,,,,34,,5,,30,,,,,,,,8,,,,29,,,,,23,,35
,,,,,,,11,,16,,5,,,,,,,,,,,,14,,,,,29,,14
,,,,,,,3,,10,,13,,,,,,,,,,,,31,,,,,1,,0
,,,,,,,30,,32,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2,,,,,32,,29
,,,,,,,23,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,26,,,,,,,4
,,,,,,,11,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,29
,,,,,,,4
,,,,,,,16

[/table]

LinpIN
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on March 29, 2009, 02:33:06 PM
:) Np mate, I would also like to see this method through. I'm also lost on the betting side of things. Sure Waaahome will clear it up though.

Cheers
Jakk
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: LimpIN on March 29, 2009, 04:21:11 PM
:) Np mate, I would also like to see this method through. I'm also lost on the betting side of things. Sure Waaahome will clear it up though.

Cheers
Jakk

The point I was trying to make though is he seems to look at set of numbers like I have posted up there and say oh there you have this and here you win ect... but if you actually play these numbers as they come out one at a time its really not that simple.

anyway shall  :-X now on this untill he explains... good luck Waaahome  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on March 31, 2009, 02:14:34 AM
I took these 86 spins and tried to find a way to make it profitable using flatbet/progressions and can only make a small profit in places does anyone have any ideas?

[table=,]
9,D5,12,D18,26,D25,D22,8,D16,34,D35,4,D15,20,D2,D2,10,D14,D15,9,D5,22,D1,30,D27,7,D19,D23,12,D36,6,D31
,,36,,8,,,1,,22,,17,,3,,,,,,32,,33,,11,,29,,,17,,29
,,20,,25,,,12,,30,,1,,,,,,,,24,,6,,21,,20,,,1,,8
,,,,,,,34,,5,,30,,,,,,,,8,,,,29,,,,,23,,35
,,,,,,,11,,16,,5,,,,,,,,,,,,14,,,,,29,,14
,,,,,,,3,,10,,13,,,,,,,,,,,,31,,,,,1,,0
,,,,,,,30,,32,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2,,,,,32,,29
,,,,,,,23,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,26,,,,,,,4
,,,,,,,11,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,29
,,,,,,,4
,,,,,,,16

[/table]

LinpIN

Hello! Back from New York :thumbsup:

The reason i ask for "YOUR SPINS" is that so UUUUUUUUU don't say: that i am making them up. that i don't predict the outcome in any way...

The point of going through YOUR spins is that so i can show u what i would have done so U CAN LEARN THE WAY I SEE AND UNDERSTAND IT

I would probably have to record 100 episodes of me EXPLAINING this for people to understand this. I mentioned before it's not easy. If it was: Roulette tables would be gone gone gone.

U need money managment and bankroll and PATIANCE.

If someone takes \$50.000 and bets on red and wins would u say : Great System man!!!!! :thumbsup:How did u know?????? ;D

It don't work that way. Their are no MECHANICAL SYSTEMS. Theirs always human factor involved. That's the gambling part.

Look at the spins u gave here. Think what u can do to be in profit.
I see alot of diffrent bets. Their are several. You Must know the MATH of your bet to get this.

Look at the DD. They all hit the 9 number box. They all win. It showes ones. Gone for 4 times and than it shows again. with a repeat on 2

Do you see that? than the 14 and 15 Wins.

After D15???????????? crap happens. AND IT WILL Happen.

How to get out of it? Spin......... and will go into diffrent sequences.

The only way to do this is by Video.
Must use Video.

Soon to be done.

And also : I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING. IF YOU LOOSE I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. I DON`T HAVE TO DO THIS. IF I LOOSE A SESSION..................................THAT`S ONE SESSION. UUUUUU. DID IT. DONE IT. LOST 2 , 3. BIG DEAL. ........GOT IT BACK!!!!! AND SOME!

I do this becouse i`m a nice guy. that`s all.

See u soon.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: TwoCatSam on March 31, 2009, 10:40:10 AM
Gramps

Though you did not ask for my help, since you are trying to help, I will, too.

Utube will only allow ten minute videos--unless they've changed. So close your video capture every nine-and-a-half minutes and start over.  We can splice them in our minds.

Sam
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Compa on March 31, 2009, 11:07:37 AM
This system doesnt work for me so obviously i didnt got this at all...how hard can a method be???

/Compa
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on April 10, 2009, 12:33:52 PM
This system doesn't work for me so obviously I didnt got this at all...how hard can a method be???

/Compa

Hello.

Roulette is difficult. And so is this method. Its has to be in order to beat a difficult game yes? ;D
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Compa on May 12, 2009, 03:14:26 PM

Sometimes it works perfectly, sometimes not... Now we need to figure out how to see what trend are we on...

THIS IS ROULETTE!!!! :diablo:  lmao

Cheers
/Compa
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: trylobit on May 13, 2009, 08:57:15 AM
@Compa

Thanks for reminding!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: ckb18 on May 13, 2009, 07:09:27 PM
i hope everyone is paying attension to the WHEEL the wheel is what he is talking about, i hope everyone under stands that! i dont think that was made clear enough!! study the wheel thats how you play! or rather thats how you win at roulette!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: trylobit on May 14, 2009, 09:55:13 AM
Hi everybody!

New tests are here, this time played properly.
These session could be played with better results, although I played it like I'd do without knowing next spins (to keep it real).
I'm posting here average session, losing session and very good session;)

Best regards.
Trylobit
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Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: cabbage on May 14, 2009, 05:41:27 PM
Hi everybody!

New tests are here, this time played properly.
These session could be played with better results, although I played it like I'd do without knowing next spins (to keep it real).
I'm posting here average session, losing session and very good session;)

Best regards.
Trylobit
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Hi Trylobit,

Looks good  :) How exactly are you betting if you don't mind?

thanks  :good:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on May 15, 2009, 10:03:24 AM
:skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: cabbage on May 18, 2009, 12:19:56 PM
After much interest in this thread i have been trying to find a way to make it profitable but not found anything solid enough YET! what i have found though is another way of recording numbers...

Waaahome said: "what u are doing is following the ball on the board , ........... it will shift from one end to the other ............."

And he is right, alot of the time the ball shifts from one end of the table to the other (so to speak) and have thought of a way to take advantage this using waaahomes unique way of tracking...

If for example number 1, 2 or 3 hits then for the next spin to be recorded as a D one of the last three streets would have to hit (28,29,30.. 31,32,33.. 34,35,36) but the old way one of the first three streets would have to hit... follow? basicly your doing the opposite for every number that hits to the old way

So say for example number 10 hits the old way you would want either of streets 7,8,9.. 10,11,12.. or 13,14,15.. to make it a D but this way you would want the opposite streets 22,23,24.. 25,26,27.. 28,29,30.

Below is a 39 spins taken from a actual session i did and the one on the left is the new way and right is the old way. As you can see from a short example the new way has more D's and not as long / numbers. I found this to be the case alot so far... although this might just be the numbers i have used making it look this way ?????

[table=,]
D,/,,,D,/
,16 25 4 7 18 12,,,,16 25 4
27,,,,7,
13,,,,,18 12 27 13 32 0 7 26 14 27 7 27 20
,32 0 7,,,23,
26,,,,,34 4
14,,,,3,
27,,,,,19 33
7,,,,30,
27,,,,,13 3 20 34 11 30
,20 23 34,,,29
4,,,,31,
,3 19 33 30 13 3 20 34 11,,,,17 23
30,,,,24
,29 31 17,,,,14
23,,,,18
,24,,,,3
14,,,,8
,18 3 8
[/table]

If nothing else though it could be used along side the old way and wait till one is going through some heavy runs of /'s and then start betting against it??

Just a thought,

C
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on May 25, 2009, 09:30:06 PM
:good: :good: :good: :good: :good: :good:

That's all i got to say. Peolpe this is it.

The Constant Winning Method........................

DO NOT GIVE UP WITH THIS THREAD.

Write down the numbers the way i tought you. Look at the patterns.  Do not write them another way. It messes the whole thing.

Keep working at it.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on November 23, 2009, 08:28:44 AM
nothing better than this !!!!! nothing :sarcastic:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: hermes on November 23, 2009, 11:14:55 PM
Granpaaa, I apologize for my moods and you are right I do it because I don't understand your teaching and get piss off.
(but I want understand!). If somebody e.g. Kingspin can explain it in simple English but in detail. I understand you granpaa because I created system which one I cannot explain to anybody but I understand everything. I would have to take the guy practically to casino to explain it if ... I could? How I already said the idea could be for Nobel Prize but if nobody understand it is pity. There are math mistakes like 9 numbers plus 1 is 10 numbers not 11. The 2D leads me to second dozen and so on... Anyway, I like your sister  :-*
Excuse me one more time
Hermes
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on November 24, 2009, 02:33:54 PM
Hello!

So u do know how difficult is to explain.
I explained the best i could. When i go play live some people get it in half hour , some don't.
Really it is not that difficult.
Probably a video would do justice. Something like explaining and going along while placing bets and expaling why this and that.

If i make one i will give it to you.

Cheers.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: hermes on November 24, 2009, 11:18:06 PM
Thanks my friend I will appreciate it.
Hermes
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on November 27, 2009, 12:07:07 AM
Waaahome. . I agree with u. . "not to give up this thread". . There still seems to be misunderstanding and more work to be done to hammer this out . look how long it took to catch onto G. U. T. gotta crawl before u can walk so to speak. I'm waiting to hear back from u regarding ur perfection of ur system. . may save me hours of sleepless nights. . . getting hits with 11 numbers on the carpet sounds mighty profitable. . Thanks so far. .
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on November 29, 2009, 06:19:47 PM
Hi waaahome. . After reading this thread a couple of times. . now it's time for me to learn this with pen and paper. . and a box of no doze. . . In the mean time. . . Last night I played on a table that cleaned everybody out. . If u can be so kind. . .  can u run this thru" the grandpaa way"?. . please pardon me if i haven't written this in method fashion. . right now I'm at ground zero.  If the grandpaa way can smoke this. . .  ill be a believer for sure. . . Thanks. . . . here they are. .
6,21,19,3,35,26,16,30,23,29,4,32,13,25,18,23,23,13,33,8,14,4,11,1,6,14,4,36,2,31,15,15,19,25,22,5,9,32
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: hermes on November 29, 2009, 11:46:01 PM
Poxet what's so secial on that numbers?
Graandpaaa we wait for the promised video to clear up the mist.  :rtfm:
Hermes
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on November 30, 2009, 01:48:37 AM
Hi hermes. . Nothing special about the numbers . . just a typical sat.  nite run of the wheel. . where the table was crowded and nobody could win. .  The ball just did not fall in favor. . . the casino probably made about 3 grands on these spins. . .
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 01, 2009, 12:32:19 AM
Hi waaahome...heres my first go at it.. On paper i can see how the groups tie together and it can be a little difficult to spot if it does not jump into the middle of the next group on the next spin..take a little more practice and q&a..thanks and tell me how u would play or corrections...thanks again...
6,21,19,3,35,26,16,30,23,29,4,32,13,25,18,23,23,13,33,8,14,4,11,1,6,14,4,36,2,31,15,15,19,25,22,5,9

/6  D19/3  D23/D23/13 D6 /14 D15/19 D22/5/D9
/21      /35              /33        /4        /25
/26              /8         /36
/16              /14       /2
/30              /11       /31
/23              /1         /15
/29
/4
/32
/13
/25
/18
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on December 01, 2009, 12:03:15 PM
:clapping:..... one mistake after 14 the 11 is a D11

Good job.

So do you see a pattern? Like the DD, D/D, D//D.

So any time a D comes start betting on the 3 streets. the centre and the neighbour streets. thats your bet. JUST 3 STREETS.

WHAT ALSO WARKS IS BET 3 extra chips. THE "REPEAT" and one on ether side of it.

THIS MAKES IT A 11 number bet.

Nothing more nothing less.

You can use a progression or u don't have to.

Practice this aprroach for fun alot until you see it and understand it.

Gramps.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 01, 2009, 06:22:48 PM
I see my mistake on 14,11D...That would have been 2 hits on DD and 2 hits on D/D with 3 step progression?..I would have been happy with just the DD's win with "nickel bets" ...Thanks waahome...yeah more practice with this one..as i see the D/D bets can get petty close together...
CABBAGE MAN....is that a dildo in ur hand?..
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on December 01, 2009, 07:19:21 PM
That is correct. I wish it was all DD. sometimes it is. Sometimes it's D/D or D//D.
The trick is here to notice this. To see it right away. Its like reading a code. You will know what i'm talking about when you do this enough.
It is obvious that you will not win just on betting DD when D/D are coming at you!!!!!!
So use a little progresion.
Since the win is 4/1 this means you get to bet 4 times and if you losse you are even.THIS IS BECOUSE YOU ARE BETTING ON 9 NUMBERS ONLY. this is your basic bet.

......... The 3 extra chips i use becouse through out all these years and experience and looking at this a millions hours over and over the repeats and the 2evas hit alot. so i just use them. ..... Use this and u will rake in on all the repeats obviously. And clean up.

More questions?

I'm hear.

Gramps.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 01, 2009, 07:41:48 PM
Cool Waahome...then would it be safe to say..study the groups first  till u can pull the triggers out with ease and then study the D trigger patterns and use appropriate MM? I believe repeats are gold as well..Playing rapid roulette for years and watching the 4 cool numbers on average u have a minimum of 4 numbers that have not hit within 75-130 spins..plus ones that are ready to replace cool numbers at a instant it hits..so there are more cool numbers in the waiting as well..witch leads me to conclude at any givin time u play on a wheel ..the house has a greater advantage than those pesky zero's because u may be playin on those cool numbers..sorry just a insight to repeat plays..
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 01, 2009, 11:02:20 PM
Here are spins recorded..Pioneer..Laughlin,NV..3/18/2005.

/9  D14/00 D24/34 D24/35 D26/11 D10 D5/29 D13/0 D23 D21/29 D31 D31/24
/29      /26       /26        /26                         /20       /28                                /31
/12                               /1                            /36
/25                           /4
/31                           /23
/17                           /0
/3                             /2
/15                           /17
/26
2 DD hits
2 D/D hits 3 step progression?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 02, 2009, 12:29:59 AM
Sorry.. don't want to come across as a spammer...just doin homework here.
Argosy..Lawerenceburg,indiana..12/11/05.

/28  D14/28 D28/0 D36/26 D4/33D4 D8 D4 D6/30 D30 D36/00 D13/32 D25/7   D7 D3 /17 D8 D13 D9
/14        /8                    /4       /18                                        /17                    /26           /9
/32        /28                            /4                                          /31                     /5             /0
/18                                                                                       /9                       /00           /29
/0                                                                                         /20                     /00           /6
/11                                                                                                                 /3
/12
/2
First..is it right?
Gramps..did u say there is a way to play the verticals? or treat them with a stop loss?
I like this.. u can treat zeros as numbers..
Some prime hits..there a way u play till it hit the sweet spot? thanks again gpapa..
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: bene126 on December 02, 2009, 06:40:22 PM
Hi all.I undestantd this but dont understnad when we must put our bets.Can someone tell me it?

regards Thomas.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 02, 2009, 09:13:22 PM
Hi bene..when u place ur bets?..watch the top row(in my last post).. the D is the trigger or time to place bets.. start with D(trigger)#14(in the triggers group) place ur bets on streets in that group.Now u want to figure who many times u want to play that group for a hit..it missed 3 spins /28/8/28..the line going down (vertical)..out of that vertical line a new trigger came up D28(When 2 same groups hit back to back.. it becomes a new trigger)Now place ur bets in the new D(trigger)28(group)..It missed the first spin(o) but hit the second spin(D36)with a zero I'll call it a back to back hit.. at this point I gotta win and start over for a new trigger..New trigger is D(trigger)the number 4's group... hit on third spin.. then 2 back 2 back group hits and creates anew trigger.(remain with the group 4 to bet or on new trigger #8.D(trigger)group with #8 or (D8) next spin BAM a hit #4 (a 2 group back to back hit makes it a trigger)..next spin BAM #6 another win..wait for new trigger to form..D30 place ur bets..BAM another hit. and so on...caution ur amount of progression on misses as u can see the vertical lines can add up until u get another trigger..I messed up the line after D3 but got a hit on third spin and let the vertical count go until I get another trigger...(2 back to back group hits)..I am very new with this but hope this exlanation may help out  in spotting triggers and place bets...Gramps is the master..He can play it a gillion ways...and I ask him for corrections if wrong...
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 02, 2009, 09:18:10 PM
oops correction near last para on last thread that was trigger D25 with a hit on 2nd spin..I was reading my numbers of the reply page and it squished the verticle lines out of wack.. sorry.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 02, 2009, 09:58:22 PM
I did come back from the casino tonite some fresh spins..
15 dollars min. bet table..croupier..relaxed..

/23D1/15 D19/35 D18 D19/30 D27 /0 D29 /3  D4 D2 /0 D9/33 D35 D35 D36/10 D1/20 D28 /13
/5                   /15                                       /36                   /9                        /30     /34
/16                   /34                      /1
/1

2nd table..25 dollars min..croupier.. newbie concentrate alot on payouts.

/20 D20 D20/8   D12/29 D19/28/15
/00        /3         /11
/23       /22
/29       /5
/14       /19
/22
I left early for some din din..but can see the tables had alot of repeaters and opportunities to score wins on D/D and DD's Gramps..How does it looks?although i count zeros as numbers i'll consider a trigger if the next hit is in the same group..All i can say so far is WOW..I did not play the GRANDPAA WAY due to inexperience but working to get it second nature.. And as always thanks again..(u will hear this alot)..
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 02, 2009, 11:11:08 PM
More homework till I get it..
Airball roulette..croupier..a blowhard 11/22/09

/23 D21/12 D10/32 D36 D29/23 D5/29D28/12 D18/26 D7/28 D25 /20 D19 /25 D29 D25 /2 D1/11
/13                                       /11                 /21       /15
/4

Holy Molely...Gramps..the first vertical I made # 21 a trigger..I just looked for a group that had a #13 and #21...is this right?wouldn't matter anyhow as I would have cleaned up on the D streaks near the end...WOW..
If I can play it right...im gonna send u on a cruise gpapa...thanks again.
P.S. regarding place bets..the 3rd number.. D21 then spins#12 then makes another trigger D10.. this is when I switch bets over to that group. Need to study more how to pick up D///D...Like a 7-10 pickup in bowling..
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 02, 2009, 11:47:37 PM
Sorry can't stop..just learning and addicted..
Rapid Roulette..croupiers..standard rotation 4/08/09
I lost 60 bucks playin double dozens on this session.

/29 D31/12 D13 /36 D22 D25 /31/24 D18/9  D19/26 D7/33 D1/34 D10/00 D20 D16 D19/35 D23/9 D5 D5 D6
/22                                   /17       /10     /5       /8         /30                      /7
/00                                                                    /21        /2                       /26
/22                                                                    /5          /13                     /19
/17
/28
/15
Gramps..I can see why u don't bother tracking win/losses....Kind rough start till I got to D22..but I still remember this was a very brutal table ..Gramps..Question about first D22 trigger, if a repeater comes up before a like 2 different numbers that can make a group trigger...is it good to use a group with I.e.22 right in the middle street of the 3 street group?thanks..

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: jimenez on December 03, 2009, 09:59:21 PM
good
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 04, 2009, 12:53:53 AM
Just got back from the casino..Played Bac..scored a quick win of 5 units..decided to keep the winnings in my poxet and mosey over to roulette...no way ready to play the GPaa way but want to see if it would hit n run..

5 dollar min.bet table. Croupiers-2.. 1 mellow..other fast..

/12 D23/16 D16 D16/12 D8 D10 D13 /34
/32                           /36                     /20
/5                             /9                       /7
/14                                                     /35
/2                                                       /10
/00                                                     /6
/24                                                     /24
/15
/9
/36
/ 17
/28
/36
/1
/25
/21
I would have stopped with the two back to back D's(DD)..if I had nickels covering 11 numbers..Bamo..big score and run like the wind out the door..

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 04, 2009, 01:16:51 AM
And here was rapid roulette tnite..
croupiers-2. 1long time spinner..other young
Cold numbers displayed  33     26    27    36
spins from last hit  109   106   96    85

/28 D22/11 D17/2   D28/12 D10/25 D29 D33/5    D3/18  D27/10
/19       /19        /0                      /15              /13      /24         /00
/9                      /30               /4                       /29
/28                    /20               /29                     /22
/5                  /9                      /30
/28                                         /16
/21                                         /8
/0                                            /14
/22                                          /35
/35                                          /4
i see a moderate 2 step progression could have got me to the DD hit on this table..this is were u play it like the game..gambling.. by the way when the cold number 33 hit the cold number that immediately replaced it was a 25 cold at 91 spins..
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on December 04, 2009, 04:07:02 AM
Hi Poxet Pool
Thank you for your explanation...I think more people may understand this now...(No disrespect Gramps)

TSK
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on December 04, 2009, 06:07:52 AM
You are on your way mr. Poxet Pool. :thumbsup:

This system does take time and patience to Master for it is not easy. But it is very rewarding afterwards.

Also notice you are using American wheel examples which make any system a little more difficult than if you were using single 0.

:scratch_ones_head:i think now that you have a pretty good idea  we can run through  examples.

We don't whant to miss the cruise now do we :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:.

Now we have to start somewhere so recalculate these ex. Just flat bet. Use nickles. 21 chip bet. Total \$105 bet. 9 chips straight up and 12 chips on splits. Like 1/2,2/3,1/4,2/5,3/6. Complete 21 chip bet.
Lots of homework here so lets get busy. :nono: no messing around.

Gramps.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on December 04, 2009, 11:39:57 AM
Hi Poxet Pool
Thank you for your explanation...I think more people may understand this now...(No disrespect Gramps)

The Spiders Kiss
And yes go ahead and explain all of you for i can't do it as good as you.

:good:

Ill just tag along ;)

For this has only started to take shape. :dance1: :dance1: :dance1: :dance1: :dance1:

Thanks Mr. Poxet Pool.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 04, 2009, 08:36:33 PM
Thanks...Gramps yeah the 00 is pretty much standard in usa..i don't know who invented it? a capitalist i'm sure...but similarities with the 0 wheel are creepy..(when u play dozens/columns red/blacks repeat numbers or what ever.. minus additional 2.5%).systemwise..if gpaa way works..great...Yes much too learn...What i'm picking up so far..tracking spins the way u suggest visually gives u the best of both worlds..(streaks...D triggers and random..vertical rows..vs groups)..and if u get a feel of the game like a vertical streaking..u can throw some bets out there on unhit groups until u go back to  D trigger betting.. kinda like following a trend..more testing needed..Gramps u say putting split bets out there..is this kinda were ur getting at?

going up to casino tnite..play some bac and look at broads...if i don't get too drunk..i'll do some homework from results and post..still gotta practice finding triggers in groups..thanks again gramps..

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Bo0Merang on December 04, 2009, 08:55:12 PM
Thanks...Gramps yeah the 00 is pretty much standard in usa..I don't know who invented it? a capitalist I'm sure...but similarities with the 0 wheel are creepy..(when u play dozens/columns red/blacks repeat numbers or what ever.. minus additional 2.5%).systemwise..if gpaa way works..great...Yes much too learn...What I'm picking up so far..tracking spins the way u suggest visually gives u the best of both worlds..(streaks...D triggers and random..vertical rows..vs groups)..and if u get a feel of the game like a vertical streaking..u can throw some bets out there on unhit groups until u go back to  D trigger betting.. kinda like following a trend..more testing needed..Gramps u say putting split bets out there..is this kinda were ur getting at?

going up to casino tnite..play some bac and look at broads...if I don't get too drunk..I'll do some homework from results and post..still gotta practice finding triggers in groups..thanks again gramps..

loool..Im tottally in mess arround.I get very sun crazy..numbers.Patterns lines trends grand pa ways...you have something more to surprise me??Becouse if ya my head very early will explode :diablo: :wub: :diablo:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 04, 2009, 09:14:54 PM
Sorry boomerang..this was just a Broad opinion..very early learning stage..but these are potentials I am getting a feeling for with my practice..can't keep it simple yet...

Heres some sunscreen....Follow the last 2 dozen...stop at 4 loss..o.k.?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 05, 2009, 12:58:13 PM
Hi..last nights spin.
Rapid roulette.00 wheel.Croupiers-1 a 20plus spinner..small bal.2..a joker....cold numbers displayed   9     6    26    36
hit since last spin       165 160 134  135
/29  D32/20 D16/23 D27 D26/5  D34/24 D12/23 D7 D10 /30/24 D23/6
/11                     /3                /12       /0         /9
/32                     /14              /29        /21      /21
/20                     /18              /3          /13      /12
/31                     /23              /33
/30
/35
/29
D32..BAM..win next spin on20 (eva side bet of D32).A new trigger created because of two back to back group hit now trigger is D16... This trigger hit on 3rd spin on14..Along down the vertical with spins until two numbers are back to back in one group A new trjgger made by two number back to back in one group..D27..BAM..A double DD group hit..D26.(27and 26 are in same group bet).now record down a  vertical row because of no group hit from trigger D26..could of hit on third spin on number 29..but keep recording down the vertical to find a trigger..remember a trigger MUST be 2 numbers Back to Back numbers within a group and the next trigger is D34.(These triggers must be found to move foward ..referring to top horizontal line where (D) can be placed..The next vertical row(24,0,21,13) would have been a dud..no hits as I would have stopped at 4 bets..The next vertical row a hit on 4th bet then u get another DD hits on D7 D10...I would have stopped way back on D27 D26 hit.That would have been my second effortless big hit.
I like to note on cold numbers because I watch them only on RR..When (26) was hit..Immediately replaced with (0) cold at 109 spins then when it hit it was immediately replaced with (13) cold at 90 spins.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on December 05, 2009, 01:45:38 PM
So you can notice everytime you get a D a bet could be placed if missed d/d with a progresion. if missed d//d and so on. This is when i think you should go over this with a calculator and see what would have been the out come on diffrent scenerios like FLAT BET or progression " :scratch_ones_head:SAY UP TO FIVE so DD, missed than double and go for D/D ....... stop at D/////.  so a five step progression.

Calculator is your best friend. You will see how this works.

Sometimes when they come like DDDD and they do and i DOUBLE MINE BETS. Sometimes their 300\$ bets. If i'm up alot i put my winnings and my walk in to the bank. ACTUALLY walk out of casino. Go back and clean up.

Thats what i do. That way i never chase losses. I go home a winner.

Go stuff  :good:

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: bene126 on December 05, 2009, 02:16:56 PM
Can you give us example but with our bets as well?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 05, 2009, 02:27:07 PM
Thanks gramps...I'm still trying to get the hang on the groups and triggers and writing them out as such..it's getting easier now to do.. about MM..Yeah i'll go buy a calculator and work on difference between Flat bets and progg..A flat bet and parlay is the only way to go when it comes to winning..Some times i play Flat bet,flat bet,flat bet then double bet then flat bet..in that way...u ever try this way gramps?
Wow \$300 of bets.. what a monster win that would be..
Ur style of play reminds me of real pro craps players..The good ones are there for only one good hot roll and they are out of there..They just know it's time to leave rather than give it back..Thanks gramps..
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on December 05, 2009, 02:40:57 PM
Can you give us example but with our bets as well?
yes offcourse.

that's all i beenn donig. i think. :scratch_ones_head:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on December 05, 2009, 03:01:21 PM
Basically after a everyday is like a" new game ". If ya know what i means.
If my Horizontal keep me happy i don't stop.
/28  D14/28 D28/0 D36/26 D4/33D4 D8 D4 D6/30 D30 D36/00 D13/32 D25/7   D7 D3 /17 D8 D13 D9
/14        /8                    /4       /18                                        /17                    /26           /9
/32        /28                            /4                                          /31                     /5             /0
/18                                                                                       /9                       /00           /29
/0                                                                                         /20                     /00           /6
/11                                                                                                                 /3
/12
/2
start on the repeat 28 and stop at 36. that would make me very happy. And it does. :spiteful:
4 repeats like that work really well with this.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 05, 2009, 04:03:25 PM
Thanks Gramps...I gotta tend to womans demands now..but will go out and pick up a calculator durin christmas shopping...have a good one..
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: hermes on December 06, 2009, 03:06:05 AM
Granpa, where is the explanation video you promised. Promises stay promises? Still nobody understands your idea.
Thanks Hermes
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: bene126 on December 06, 2009, 03:25:40 PM
Basically after a everyday is like a" new game ". If ya know what I means.
If my Horizontal keep me happy I don't stop.
/28  D14/28 D28/0 D36/26 D4/33D4 D8 D4 D6/30 D30 D36/00 D13/32 D25/7   D7 D3 /17 D8 D13 D9
/14        /8                    /4       /18                                        /17                    /26           /9
/32        /28                            /4                                          /31                     /5             /0
/18                                                                                       /9                       /00           /29
/0                                                                                         /20                     /00           /6
/11                                                                                                                 /3
/12
/2
start on the repeat 28 and stop at 36. that would make me very happy. And it does. :spiteful:
4 repeats like that work really well with this.

I dont understand.After 32 is 25 and D.Why?Somwhere i saw that you bet only 4 numbers from right side and 4 from left,and number which has hit.But you bet 25 and its 7 th numbers from left side.Why you bet it?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 06, 2009, 03:41:09 PM
last nite spins
00 wheel..10 dollar min.bet table.croupier-slow as molasses
/6   D27/15 D24/8 D11 D14/21 D11 D15/7    D12/34 D5 D3
/25       /14                         /30               /17        /10
/14        /33                        /4                 /35        /3
/29        /1                          /24               /11        /20
/24                        /12               /27        /9
/11
I am convinced now that the golden DD betting opportunities comes up quite often in normal regular playing sessions.I just want to strip away the vertical rows and look at the heart of this betting method.

6  D27 15  D24 8  D11 D14  21  D11 D15  7  D12 34  D5 D3..

For a win.. the desire is to get two Back to Back group hits. what group do u bet on?..or a trigger so to speak..Gramps made these trigger groups to bet on.. identified with a "D".(maybe he named it after his dog..who knows who cares)
Where did this "D" come from?
look down at the bottom of the vertical rows i.e.First vertical row.. last number 29.. the spin after that was a 27..two numbers in the same group..Banking on this group to hit once more. that last number is placed to the top horizontal row..and marked with a D indicating u should bet on this group to hit again..Well o.k. this didn't hit so u start tracking with a vertical row..for another trigger.. to bet on..(a good way not to clutter things up)..
Gramps...u say "chase winnings not losses"..for a new player..any basic approach in dealing with not getting trapped in a vertical row with bets? to get to the string of D repeats? Thanks...
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 06, 2009, 04:10:55 PM
Hermes...Gramps would like to do that..but is a cumbersome task.Doing nothing but reading the threads got me nowhere with it as well ..until i did what he asked everybody to do and that is to spend time to work out the basics..yes with pen and paper..they still sell them at stores..after that i could see were he is getting at with this method in less than a couple of hours..This is a repeat kind of method..if u don't believe in that stuff then this is probably not ur style..
As a dozen/column player. i kinda look at this like the same..where a doz. or col. will streak at one point..but here.. i'm not betting on the other two against it..
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 06, 2009, 04:35:30 PM
Bene..i think u need to study the groups a little more..they are 10 groups with 3 streets in them..and each group tends to overlap the other..try this
369
258
147
6912
5811
4710
91215
81114
71013
121518
111417
101316
151821
141720
131610
182124
172023
161922
212427
202326
192225
242730
232629
222528
273033
262932
252831
303336
293235
283134
A qualified trigger or (second number back to back hit in a group) should be placed in the middle row of a group..plus u are placing a bet on eva side of that last number..hope this helps..Gramps is this right?

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: bene126 on December 06, 2009, 04:54:13 PM
Thank you.Now i understand.So on next spin he bet numbers from 9th group?25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33   and 2,17 ?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 06, 2009, 05:20:23 PM
hi bene...the 32 and 25 are in group 9..but once i see two numbers in a group i will then move that last number to a group were it is in a middle row..to group 8..or just play the first row of group 8 (22,23,24) along with group 9..close call..The eva side..i do not have a" 0" wheel chart..but on "00" wheel it would be a bet on10,29...
Gramps whats the call if u get two numbers in a group on opposite ends..do u play that group?  thanks
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: bene126 on December 06, 2009, 05:33:07 PM
yes...thanks..so we bet on all number from 8th group and 1 number from right and left side on wheel around this number?And if last number is 32 we will bet numbers from which group? 9th or 10th?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 06, 2009, 06:10:58 PM
yes bene..Thats how i see it now..on the 32 i would be inclined to put that number in the middle row of group 10..But lets see what Gramps say about this...Thanks..
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 06, 2009, 06:34:44 PM
hi bene..just for clarifcations..make sure that is a tigger"D32" before u place ur bets...for basics.. kinda look at the vertical row as a search mode for triggers and the horizontal row to track betting..hope this helps..
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 06, 2009, 10:55:14 PM
just got back from casino..Got bodyslammed on the Bac table...jeeezz..Those asians are smart playin ties and dragon bets...anyhow walked over to roulette wheel to track a session.
00 wheel.10dollar table..croupier-excited by big tips from big E/C winner.

/30D8/26 D32/16 D16/11 D19/32 D28 D25/32 D7 D11/17 D18/4 D8/34 D30/3 D5/17 D32 D35/9
/21                             /17                           /21                                  /00                /25              /26
/8                                                                /34                                  /13                /11              /8
/8                                    /33                /21              /34
/24                                  /24                                   /28
/34
/5
Got a DD on D28D25 and D7D11 and D32D35 and one eva bet on D5/17..

Man...With all the quick triggers u may be swapping ur bet groups quite a bit till u get to the DD's.on other hand if u can pick them off.. u got quite a explosive method.. Gramps..is there a way to ride this tide until u get to the golden DD hits?Sorry for not waiting for ur reply on others..but man..this is cool..Again..people these are live spins on different wheels..and Gpapa patterns comes up...
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: bene126 on December 07, 2009, 02:41:55 PM
just got back from casino..Got bodyslammed on the Bac table...jeeezz..Those asians are smart playin ties and dragon bets...anyhow walked over to roulette wheel to track a session.
00 wheel.10dollar table..croupier-excited by big tips from big E/C winner.

/30D8/26 D32/16 D16/11 D19/32 D28 D25/32 D7 D11/17 D18/4 D8/34 D30/3 D5/17 D32 D35/9
/21                             /17                           /21                                  /00                /25              /26
/8                                                                /34                                  /13                /11              /8
/8                                    /33                /21              /34
/24                                  /24                                   /28
/34
/5
Got a DD on D28D25 and D7D11 and D32D35 and one eva bet on D5/17..

Man...With all the quick triggers u may be swapping ur bet groups quite a bit till u get to the DD's.on other hand if u can pick them off.. u got quite a explosive method.. Gramps..is there a way to ride this tide until u get to the golden DD hits?Sorry for not waiting for ur reply on others..but man..this is cool..Again..people these are live spins on different wheels..and Gpapa patterns comes up...

How is your profit from this session?I do 11 units from this.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 07, 2009, 09:51:59 PM
Hi bene..sorry I'm not counting my profits yet..Still digesting the method...In regards to the previous questions of where to place ur group bet..I refer back to GRAMPS reply#57..."when a number falls..take it's middle street..and 2 nieghbors one..That's were u bet..To me this means take that 2nd hit(ur trigger) and move it to a group were it is in the middle street..Unless Gramps states otherwise...

Also please refer to Gramps reply#14...he tells us to look for patterns of the triggers...
If u look at that last session u post..in the beginning..u see a /8D8 26/D32 /16D16..
This follows Gramps ex#2 ..a jump pattern..that must come up alot with this method..
I suppose if I see a trigger jump from a D8 to a D32 just like that..I'll place a bet that this pattern will repeat and it did with D16...This is one of four patterns Gramps tell u to look for..

What I like so far about this method is that it is not totally mechanical..as so far.. mechanical strategies fail..which gives this a better grail + potential..One needs to get the hang of betting on the groups..study the triggers for patterns(see Gramps reply #14) and bet on that pattern with proper money management(patience)..I think what Gramps is trying to teach is not to bet like a robot but as a player..(Re read Gramps post#28)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 07, 2009, 10:09:37 PM
O yeah..i was cleanin up the mess i got myself into on the bac table and jot these numbers tnite on the tote board on a playing wheel..i don't know if the numbers are accurate but here goes...this is a 00 wheel...
/8  D13D11/33 D23 D27D22/15
/20             /8                       /31
/22
/8
/23
/8
/18
/0 skip or not?

DD hit right off..a hit on the 11 to 8 on 1 step progression..and 2 good hits on DDD...I'm getting closer spotting them out...ehh..

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on December 08, 2009, 02:05:43 PM
yes...thanks..so we bet on all number from 8th group and 1 number from right and left side on wheel around this number?And if last number is 32 we will bet numbers from which group? 9th or 10th?

32 belongs to the last number group. So does 34 35 36.
For example 28 29 0r 30 hits thats your middle street. So you would bet 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 in this case.

Same happens at the other side 1 2 3 4 5 6 Belongs to 1ST group.

Gramps.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on December 08, 2009, 02:12:11 PM

What I like so far about this method is that it is not totally mechanical..as so far.. mechanical strategies fail..which gives this a better grail + potential..One needs to get the hang of betting on the groups..study the triggers for patterns(see Gramps reply #14) and bet on that pattern with proper money management(patience)..I think what Gramps is trying to teach is not to bet like a robot but as a player..(Re read Gramps post#28)
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Thank You for explaining.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 08, 2009, 11:48:41 PM
Thanks Gpapa..u only know i haven't scratched the surface yet..O.K.. i took the GRANDPAA WAY with me to the casino tnite.. See if the triggers were hot..
00 wheel...croupier..avg.12 spinner..big ball..

/3   D25/31 D30/23 D30/21 D20/26 D9
/15                    /36                    /18
/26                    /22                    /35
/7                      /29                    /0
/19                    /8                      /14
/4                      /31                    /2
/33                                             /21
/4                                               /31
/22                                             /2
/13
/36
/12
/22
/11
/00
/0
/20
/31
/5
writing this out was pretty easy..like a cold beer..My first trigger(D25) i placed bets on group...missed.. Damn..I haven't seen alot of veritcals take off right after D triggers start comin up....so i'll go with a jumper pattern place bets in the 31 group...Bam a hit D30..I'll go for a DD hit..lose on 23...a start of another vertical row..i stopped betting. Next trigger D30 i'll go for a DD hit..missed on 21 shhoot.I'm gonna go for a jump bet cause again i don't see alot of vertical rows take off right after D triggers start comin up(but not to say it can't happen)..bet 21 group Bam D20.. hit try another DD hit for the puddin..miss....u see the last vertical row took off..18 spins to a new trigger.. there are several ways to play this and takes time to get a feel how u want to bet..i started goin with a jump pattern..although i didn't hit a DD..this method held up and there were other betting opportunities exposed..i'm still a little green but made some money off the 2/3 doz. along the way..I will keep learning and also Gpapa is well versed with this play..i like to see him discuss more strategies with it..and get crazy with those chips..

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on December 09, 2009, 12:37:34 AM
This is a normal run that will happen everyday. You hit twice D30 and D20. Looking good. You see the trigers and you are learning to read the outcomes.
Playing nickles i would have been out of there in my first hit.
THATS JUST IT. Well their is more but for know lets just go over becouse this is a learning process.
So you see that betting or trigger starts as soon as a D comes in. Alot of times thats all you get is a DD or D/D and than a vertical. AND WHO CARES HOW LONG IT IS. It could go on for 5 or 15 or 30 spins. You Don't care about that. You care about what happens right after a Trigger.

ANOTHER IMPORTANT NOTE. SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO PLAY FOR A VERY LONG TIME TO SEE YOUR HORIZONTAL HITS COME IN. EVANTUALLY IT WILL HAPPEN.

The trick is to sit and write your spins and learn to bet this way.  THIS DOES TAKE TIME. and it is not easy. With alot of practice you will believe the power you gain over their house cut or what ever.

Notice you win 4/1 becouse you are betting only 9 numbers.

The trick is to get use to reading the board and to anticipate.

Looking good. :good:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 09, 2009, 01:16:19 PM
Thanks Gramps...A normal run huh..then it only gets better when the DD comes up ..and u see the wheel tryin to do this.(.put out D streaks) with the GRAMPAA WAY..I think i will experiment with it this weekend..Go to a wheel play for triggers..go for jumps and 2 step progression hit one of those leave.. or hit my first DD leave.. and go to another wheel..on a weekend they are all up and running..if u capitalize on normal runs or DD streaks on hit and run method..i can see it very difficult to not come home with a winning attitude.. Thanks again Gpapa
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on December 10, 2009, 10:41:05 PM
For those interested.
Real results with a little explanation.

Dec 10/2009   Old Casino  Start-16:16  Finish- 16:46

/3 D32 /10 D3 /28 D33 D31 /12 D13 /1 D1 D1 /13
/1        /22
/33      /9
/00
/30
/34
/22
/2

Start BR \$500
End        \$560

Got the 32 hit on 4th spin. Lost on the second vertical BR\$411. D3 trigger, got  hits on D33 D31. Continued to follow horizontal. Hits on D1 D1.
Stop at +\$60.

Got my losses back and stop at proffit.

More ex to follow.

Gramps.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on December 10, 2009, 10:59:10 PM
Dec 10/09. New Casino. 17:15-17:40.

/5 D7 /18 D29 /10 D9 D9 /28 D3 stop+\$564.
/28         /23           /8
/14            /2
/2
/22
/11
/19
/3

First D7 trigger. bet up to five with 5 step progression. Lost and  stop at /22, second vertical. D9 trigger got the second D9. Than got D3. Forth step of progression.

My five step is:
bet on 3 streets. 2 2 2 total \$6
4 4 4         \$12
6 6 6          \$18
8 8 8         \$24
10 10 10     \$30.

when ever i begin i get a feel of what happens.Here got a little on D29. Than lost. Than got to hits D9 and D3. These two hits made my losses back plus ended in profit. Becouse you only play 3 streets , plus your progresion you make losse back + proffit.

I hope this helps some of you.

End night with \$ 136 in proffit. Just over an hour of easy play.

Gramps.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 11, 2009, 08:57:05 PM
SWEET...gramps...i give er a shot this weekend...thanks for the  5 step progression tip....
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 13, 2009, 03:00:55 AM
I wanted to kinda run the Grandpaa way thru a hit n run scenario tnite...
00 wheels..
rapid roulette..big ball..croupier..busy with plyrs comin and goin
/21 D12D13..win+22.00
/8
Next wheel. min bets outside..10.00 had to place min.5.00 on street bets.
/12 D24D24..win +55.00..cool
/29
Next wheel..same bets.. flat bet
/11D30/14 plyd jump bet.loss then go back to D30group
/33       /0 a hedge bet on zero  next time wouldnt hurt..tried betting again because of it..
/29 win+25..continued play on table
/16 D14 /31 tried jump bet loss went back to D14 group
/5 loss.. stop bet
/00
/16 D14 D15 win+55.00.. total on table+50.00
Another wheel..
/2 D1/34D16/9   D24D26/31D29/12D8/1   D7/00D3.
/20       /26                         /5      /34     /10
/6
This was a dominant trigger table but I got thrown off. I played for a jump pattern then another one step flat bet on previous group trigger..and lost 2 two step bets ..This is a new pattern to me and did not play it right..also I was tryin to protect my winnings with flat bets..by the time I did hit the DD and a jump hit win I was down and the wheel continued like a miss..miss new trigger..I ended up losing 30 bucks but I should have won..(I'll blame it on fear of depleating easy winnings).. but walked out a winning 90  -tips and booze in a little more than an hour with 100 risk ...Gramps  I did get the feeling of leaving after I made 127 bucks in no time..next time with a little more BR.. I'll try ur 5 step progression and a good hit I'm outta there.I gotta to get a better feel for a D//D patterns..  Thanks Gramps...
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 15, 2009, 11:40:01 PM
Hi GPAPA..I made a quick 60 bucks off of 2 jump bets right off the bat(sorry didn't play eva) 5 mins...better than wearing a funny outfit and smellin like hambugers at the end of the night..luck huh? I'm still tryin to deal with betting on those string of D//new D//new D bets at home..might be best after ur first miss like this and let spin it out for a bit...like u say patience...
Thanks much GPAPA..
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on December 19, 2009, 04:18:53 PM
00 wheel

29D7D5 ..a DDhit i'm happy..
/8

Next wheel
13 D35 /25  D24/30D31D31..dd hit..i'm up
/6         /33 hit.cost me a bet..go on
/16       /20
/35       /36
/12
/0
/27
new wheel
5D5D6..a dd hit..Love the quick hit n run action here...Thanks Gramps..
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poxet pool on January 12, 2010, 04:19:01 PM
Table1
32 D25/1 D1/31 D16/24 D17/8 D32
/3                     /30
/30                   /17
/11                   /32
/22
/4
/16
Table2
25 D22/1 D4 D2/32D18/27D1 D2 D6 D1/00 D24/18
/13      /6                       /16       /5
/33
Table3
2/19 D21 D24/1  D10/30 D23 D26D24/3 D25
/11      /21                     /24
/24
/33
/17
Table4
29/0 D8/21D9/31 D18/4
/7     /34     /20       /32
/20     /4         /24
/29     /16       /11
/12     /28
/12

Once again..thanks Gpapa.. 5 step progressions helps..did not play(building a bigger BR for it) but wow.. i would have quit before table 4.. Thanks again

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: uagadugu on January 28, 2010, 08:36:48 PM
This method still is winning???  It's almost 1 year. .
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on January 31, 2010, 09:15:13 PM

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: hermes on February 07, 2010, 01:01:40 PM
Is it not a little bit complicated? Or I don't understand it ? Thanks for clarification.
Hermes
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Kingspin on February 07, 2010, 06:04:14 PM
No it's not complicated herme's. It's just a load of BS  :spiteful: ;D
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 07, 2010, 09:34:19 PM
No it's not complicated herme's. It's just a load of BS  :spiteful: ;D
:nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

Very not nice........
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: hermes on February 07, 2010, 09:46:22 PM
Thanks Kingspin for the quick clarification. Is it something like the never ending story of the Winkler system?
Hermes
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 07, 2010, 11:22:18 PM
Thanks Kingspin for the quick clarification. Is it something like the never ending story of the Winkler system?
Hermes
Blah Blah Blah.......f**k Off
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 07, 2010, 11:26:22 PM
Blah Blah Blah.......f**k Off

Don't like it. Don't f**king read it. Shut the f**k up. And don't write about it.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: manaman on February 10, 2010, 06:43:39 PM
Don't like it. Don't f*****g read it. Shut the f**k up. And don't write about it.

Haha the 'real' Waaaaaaaaaaahomo is out!  :yahoo:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 11, 2010, 12:55:24 AM
Haha the 'real' Waaaaaaaaaaahomo is out!  :yahoo:

You funny guy. You have a winning method right in front of you. I gave it to all of you. But you don't get it. Good. This is all you need to make money. everyday. But dicks like you will never get it.
You probably have some questions about this method but i will never give you the answer. you know why? Becouse you are a dick.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: keel44 on February 11, 2010, 01:42:28 AM
Progression or not, waaaaahome?   Do you track for a while or start betting right away?  It is hard for people to get the "feel" of this system.  We like st**dy rules.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Steve on February 11, 2010, 01:44:13 AM
Please stop abusing on a personal level.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 11, 2010, 09:45:10 AM
Progression or not, waaaaahome?   Do you track for a while or start betting right away?  It is hard for people to get the "feel" of this system.  We like st**dy rules.
[/quote

I use both. The game calls the shots. I play with it NEVER against it. Its about knowing and reading what just came out. Knowing the trends that hapeen over and over again and again. I said this lots of times you must learn to read spins THIS WAY. Not another way. THIS WAY. THE 9 NUMBER BOX WAY. Get 50 or 100 or 200 or 10000000 spins and rewrite them like i did. SIt on the bus or whereever and get really use to them.

ITS like another language. Did you ever learn another language? It takes a long time yes? Do you learn it in one day or 10 days or 100 days?

Their are no st**dy rules . Sorry.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: kattila on February 11, 2010, 11:40:41 AM
Hi.  waahome  and all.  This is how i see it:

5 progresion steeps  on 3  streets   -  progression    222/444/666/888/101010
important is the middle street, not always (see Ex. B)

Ex. A           D15  ,  bet 10,11,12/13,14,15/16,17,18

Ex. B      This is  only for  number 1 or 2  or 3,   EX.:    D3   , bet  1,2,3/4,5,6/7,8,9
not centered

( If   D5  than  bet  1,2,3/4,5,6/7,8,9) centered

This is only for  34,  35,  36  ,Ex.  D35   bet  28,29,30/31,32,33/34,35,36
not centered

( if  D33  ,bet  28,29,30/31,32,33/34,35,36)centered

Triggers  D,    D/D,    D//D  ,  D///D  ?

Please Waahome show as again how play this numbers
first i find D 3  have 3 loss and appear D25
I have to complete the 5 steeps from D3  (and loss all)
or start the other trigger D 25?
or bet only after 2  triggers ?  Thanks.

Allways shows triggers, but don t  know when bet.

17
29
17
1
3
28
16
25
25
13
18
3
16
5
23
20
9
9
15
19
30
36
35
26
18
29
24
24
10
12
6
13
27
24
11
21
1
29
6
10
31
5
21
6
21
7
17
19
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: manaman on February 11, 2010, 02:37:41 PM
You funny guy. You have a winning method right in front of you. I gave it to all of you. But you don't get it. Good. This is all you need to make money. everyday. But dicks like you will never get it.
You probably have some questions about this method but I will never give you the answer. you know why? Becouse you are a dick.

Waaaaahome is............................... Viper 5! Becouse I know it..... steve you really should ban this *****
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 11, 2010, 03:01:54 PM
yes the first 3 is trigger so if you apply a 5 step progresion and stop.you would not loose for a long time.

first 3 a trigger.

Bet #1 first 3 streets. say 3\$you  loose. #28 hit.
bet #2 streets 25 , 28 , 31 bet \$6. \$2 on each miss again. #16 hit.
bet #3 play 13, 16, 19. bet total \$9. \$3 per street. miss again #25 hit.
bet #4 play streets 22, 25, 28. total bet \$12. You hit 25 yes.

next bet start from beginning. play 3 streets coresponding to 25 \$3 bet. loose. next hit is 18 yes? win yes? this goes on for another. 9 hits. rewrite your spins and youll see right in front of you. Must learn to see it this way. Not another. No VB no sector playing. No Bull. Get more spins and rewrite and look at them this way.
Also a said play repeaters and 2 eva side. You don't have to but it also works.You 2 repeaters the 25 and the 9 yes.
Ups 3 and the 24.

Gramps.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 11, 2010, 03:13:40 PM
Waaaaahome is............................... Viper 5! Becouse I know it..... Steve you really should ban this *****

???
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 11, 2010, 03:49:26 PM
What so good about it is any bank roll will work if you have 100 or 10000 to play with.

Their are other tricks but one must get the basics and understand how to follow these patterns.

Do about 1000 spins. Hand write them out.

Gramps.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Kingspin on February 11, 2010, 04:46:05 PM
The spelling is too good manaman , this is not viper 5.  Viper 5 needs to read his papper.  ;D

Actually i found one system that viper 5 posted to work really good so i give him credit for his efoort  :biggrin:.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 11, 2010, 04:55:20 PM
f**k you.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Kingspin on February 11, 2010, 05:55:46 PM
Stop swearing waahome. You could get banned .  No one said anything personal to you , only that your system was maybe a load of BS.  People have some of my systems are bs but i don't tell them to f*** off.  :ok:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 11, 2010, 06:11:40 PM
If you think my system is bs than don't read it. This is not your first insulting message to me. Just stay away from this.
And you are going to kick me out of here? Are you just mad becouse you keep loosing u must be. Now go on and play some Bingo. :girl_wacko: :girl_wacko: :girl_wacko: :girl_wacko: :girl_wacko: :girl_wacko:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 11, 2010, 06:16:34 PM
AND TO EVERYONE ELSE IF I GET THE BOOTS DO NOT GIVE UP ON THIS. I CAN GIVE MY EMAIL AND WE CAN KEEP IN TOUCH. IT IS HARD BUT IT WORKS. DO NOT READ THE NEGATIVITY OF OTHER PEOPLE HERE. THIS IS BECOUSE THEY DON"T HAVE PATIENCE AND THEY GET MAD AT THEMSELVES. FOR EVERYONE ELSE IM STILL HERE TO WORK WITH.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Steve on February 11, 2010, 07:00:42 PM
waahome I banned you from posting for 3 days. If you are being attacked unjustly, then you should report it. But all i see is your swearing and personal attacks. If it happens again I have no choice but to ban fully.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Steve on February 13, 2010, 07:07:26 PM
When I browse through the thread what stands out are things like "f*** you" which are from waahome. Whether or not he feels he was provoked, his behavior was unacceptable. If he or anyone was provoked unjustly, then they need to specify exact posts.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on July 12, 2011, 08:46:52 PM
:dance1:Yes its been a long time. Still going strong.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: mr green on July 12, 2011, 10:36:02 PM
How much have you made from this system/?

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: tonynewlife on January 14, 2012, 02:01:01 AM
what gramps is saying is very true, his system is the real deal.   I've tried it and you can make good profits in a short time, it's amazing once you get the hang of it, it does take some practice like he said.   I can't believe i can finally live off of roulette.   I just wanna say thank you gramps, you're the man!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: tonynewlife on January 14, 2012, 09:44:19 PM
Hi everyone,

i went to a casino today and made \$130 playing gramps system, i know it's not that much but i was playing with \$1 chips, that was me being cautious at the beginning but i would have made \$650 if i would have used \$5 chips.   It's king of creepy to see the pattern actually happening like if it was meant to be.   I'm still amazed by this system, you guys should try it and make some \$\$\$\$

that was just my feedback.

Once again thanks gramps!!

tony
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on January 14, 2012, 09:55:57 PM
It wooorks :clapping: It really works :clapping:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: revolver on January 14, 2012, 10:48:39 PM
It wooorks :clapping: It really works :clapping:

:sarcastic:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: libertydog on January 14, 2012, 11:36:44 PM
Hi everyone,

I went to a casino today and made \$130 playing gramps system, I know it's not that much but I was playing with \$1 chips, that was me being cautious at the beginning but I would have made \$650 if I would have used \$5 chips.   It's king of creepy to see the pattern actually happening like if it was meant to be.   I'm still amazed by this system, you guys should try it and make some \$\$\$\$

that was just my feedback.

Once again thanks gramps!!

tony

Yeah come back and post when this loses! it will! it does! you got lucky!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: John Gold on January 15, 2012, 09:55:55 AM
THE GRANDMAAA WAY!!!!

knit one purl one, knit one purl one.

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Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: tonynewlife on January 17, 2012, 05:02:26 AM
I just came back from the casino and make a quick and easy \$100.   I was able to get on the ending of a long winning wave, then it all became vertical so i decided it was time to go home.   I could have easily made over \$300 tonight if I would have gotten there earlier but oh well.   next time maybe.

good luck to all!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Amazin on January 27, 2012, 10:01:45 PM
Hello everyone, can someone tell me if got this right? I would really appreciate that.  I got the numbers from smartlive casino btw.

 3   13   26   17   0   32   11   13   28   13   21   8   12   22   3413   28   6   14   0   36   12   17   16   29   33   6   14   22   117   18   1   22   22   16   27   10   24   8   33   3   33   26   69   29   12   11   21   17   36   34   36   12   20   26   16   33   80   16   11   9   2   8   36   0   32   14   29   19   16   16   11
 16D   33D   18D   22D   16   9D   11D   21   17D   36   34D   36D   12   9D   16D   16D29   6   1      27   29                     20   2      11   14   22      10   12                     26   8         22         24                        16   36         1         8                        33   0         17         33                        8   32                  3                        0   14                  33                        16   29                  26                        11   19                  6
is that right?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Amazin on January 27, 2012, 10:06:28 PM
oops, why is it all messed up? let me try again:

 16D   33D   18D   22D   16   9D   11D   21   17D   36   34D   36D   12   9D   16D   16D29   6   1      27   29                     20   2      11   14   22      10   12                     26   8         22         24                        16   36         1         8                        33   0         17         33                        8   32                  3                        0   14                  33                        16   29                  26                        11   19                  6
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: libertydog on January 28, 2012, 03:12:30 PM
oops, why is it all messed up? let me try again:

 16D   33D   18D   22D   16   9D   11D   21   17D   36   34D   36D   12   9D   16D   16D29   6   1      27   29                     20   2      11   14   22      10   12                     26   8         22         24                        16   36         1         8                        33   0         17         33                        8   32                  3                        0   14                  33                        16   29                  26                        11   19                  6

Try doing this:

23
D18
23,27,33...

makes it easier to write out.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: jarabo002 on January 28, 2012, 07:23:02 PM
We need a code/excel/software for this amazing system.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Amazin on January 28, 2012, 08:45:55 PM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: marvin on January 29, 2012, 01:13:38 AM
:pleasantry:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on January 30, 2012, 08:02:05 PM
Halo!

You are not getting ur triggers correctly. They must fall in to the last number.

Ex.
1 14 35 2 35 34....

34 IS PART OF 35.

That tells me i start betting on the 3 streets and foolow the ball on the lay out. And catch the winnings.

U must study and study PAST RESULTS to see this.

Rewrite like i mentioned and visually see your next bet.

NOW REMEMBER!

This is a 9 number betting so you can write a progression according to a 9 numbers.

I stop at 5. Which means i see a trigger a and bet the next 5 hits. if i dont get a hit i wait for another trigger.

I hope this helped.....

Gramps.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Amazin on January 30, 2012, 09:37:04 PM
Hi Waahome! Good to see your post again. I thought you disappeared off the radar. I still haven't play with real oney yet. Still practising and still need lots of help.

I got these numbers from smartlive casion auto wheel, please tell me if I'm doing it right:

8   11   35   6   6   8   31   22   2   32   1   36   9   20   16
14   35   35   34   19   3   33   16   13   7   7   33   36   13   24
27   24   17   3   34   21   3   2   7   36   10   12   24   6   20
8   0   16   26   35   13   10   0   29   18   16   29   34   11   30
2   3   6   24   12   33   18   16   19   16   18   10   30   34   10
22   7   29   32   33   6   29   14   16   21   6   18   4   23   12

8
11D
35, 6
6D
8D
31, 22, 2, 32, 1, 36, 9, 20
16D
14D
35
35D
34D
19, 3, 33, 16
13D
7
7D
33
36D
13, 24
27D
24D
17, 3, 34, 21, 3,
2D
7D
36, 10,
12D
24, 6, 20, 8, 0, 16, 26, 35, 13
10D
0, 29, 18
16D
29, 34, 11, 30, 2
3D
6D
24, 12, 33, 18,
16D
19D
16D
18D
10, 30, 34, 10, 22, 7, 29,
32D
33D
6, 29, 14
16D
21, 6, 18, 4, 23, 12

Have I done it right this time Waahome? Lot of Ds on this!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on January 31, 2012, 06:17:12 AM
Yes. Perfect. U got it.

This would clean up . Heavy wins...

Now do the math. Go over this with several betting progressions. You must get a feel for  it.

For example say u hit 4 DD in a row. Well what do u think? They will probably stop yes? Or keep playing that bet until it stops. Yes? Or if you see a Pattern of one showing up and than a horizontal.

PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE YOUR FACE OFF and u will get it.

GREAT JOB!!!!

U can also use this with other strategies becouse this way it shows u when those 9 numbers are coming up.

Cheers.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: jgryder76 on February 08, 2012, 04:47:16 PM
Hello everyone,

I have been playing roulette for five years or so, just breaking even betting single numbers.  This is a great way to play! Now if I can understand it.  My first question is I'm confused on is which set of numbers to play.  Say an 8 and a 7 come up, do I play 1-9 or 4-12 or 7-15? I would say 1-9 but I'm not sure maybe you can clarify for me, thank you!

Jason
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 15, 2012, 09:25:43 PM
Helo.

If last number was 7 then you would play 4-12 numbers.
3 streets.

Cheers.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: jarabo002 on February 18, 2012, 09:33:14 PM
Software its needed :smile:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Kingspin on February 20, 2012, 08:10:40 PM
Considering the massive interest in this system I am surprised nno software has been designed for grandpaa. Please some one do a software , I will pay a donation.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Amazin on February 24, 2012, 07:15:46 PM

I also messaged Waahome asking if he still play this method and still winning with it but I didn't get any reply.

Waahome certainly noticed some interesting about the roulette wheel that most people don't. Yes, the triggers do repeat itself and follow each other as waahome mentioned but not always. This system has few flaws:

1. You just don't know when a vertical wave is going to hit so there's a good chance that your profit can get wiped out. I tried to wait until a long vertical wave to go by then start follow the trigger but didn't work for me.

2. If you following the 5 step progression recommanded by Waahome, you can easily loss all your profits

This is imo the fatal flaws with this system. I had 100 units to start with and made 140 unit profit but lost it all. Like Waahome said, he usually get few wins then just quit. It should be played hit and run style.

what I discovered while playing this system:

• Most of the times, when a trigger appears, it will reappear within 7 spins. So I personally don't see the need to "follow the trigger"

It might be better to wait for a trigger to appear, wait for 2 spins then start betting around that area. You use can 1,1,2,3 progression. It will usually hit on the sixth or the seventh.

There are dead triggers, triggers which won't repeat itself no matter what and you can loss lot of money chasing them.

If you want to follow the triggers, it might be better to wait for a "W" wave where 2 vertical lines appears.

By doing the above, you should be able to improve the strike rate. what do you all think?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 24, 2012, 08:04:49 PM
yes that is correct.

some one is finally reading and practicing. what happens is sometimes you get the one trigger and blah you get a vertical lines coming right after.
i usually give it 3 times. then spin. spin spin. util i see a trigger and then spin....

u want the change... u wana see spins go horizontal

THIS IS VERY HARD TO EXPLAIN............ THEIR IS NO WAY TO DO IT MECHANICALLY!!!!!!

but if you spend enough time thinking this way you can kind of predict. when you ar ebetting up to 5 after the trigger and you keep hitting well keep betting.

Look at you bank roll and decide your next spins.

TRemember u are playing 9 numbers.

3 to 1 so do the math and if u do it right u clean up.

off course you dont have to bet every time.....

See what comes

Also you can bet a mirror image of this ....

dont bet the 3 streets... bet the 9 that are left.....

In sertain moments u can hit the auto pilot and clean up!!!!!!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: tiredtowin on March 09, 2012, 08:37:23 AM
I'm newbie here but already managed to understand completely what the GRANDPAAA system is. I compared my own patterns with shown above and they matched up so i made sure that understood it clear. However i started to play it in on-line casino and nothing worked correctly. These patterns just didn't fall in so there were few D's out of 50 spins. I checked it out more times but results were the same. So if i played for real money i would permanently lose my stack. Comes out a question - what roullets you guys play this system on? Is it a live-roulette or on-line roulette or maybe you are in real casino buildings? I play the "betfair" on-line casino - european roulette and roulette pro.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: tiredtowin on March 09, 2012, 08:40:08 AM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Amazin on March 16, 2012, 01:19:38 PM
@Tiredtowin: dude, this only works on a real live wheel where the outcome is dependent on gravity. have you read my post about this system yet?

Its a great system in my opinion but I lost my br with it for a reason and I won't start playing with this system again until I further enhance it. Read my guild line above. I will come back when I find more things to share.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: jgryder76 on June 26, 2012, 11:39:01 PM
Hi all,

I finally decided to try this at a live casino to see what the outcome would be.  I went three times and just watched to see if I could see the patterns.  Yes I could see the patterns.  So I decided to play.  The first time I played I won \$30, not bad for 20 min of playing.  The second time I played I lost the \$30, and decided to quit.  I looked at the numbers, as I was flat betting and not betting the eva side numbers.  So I went back a third time today, and used a progression with the eva side numbers, and was hitting often on a wheel where no one else could hit.  I have two questions:

1. When a new croupier comes you should start all over right? Ive noticed the numbers change when someone new comes.

2. I was on a winning streak and won 6 times before I went five times without a win.  Within those five spins two new numbers hit, so when I have lost five should I switch to the new numbers or wait till two frest ones hit? Let me give you the example  my numbers were 22-30 and 7-9.  Five losses came those numbers were 16, 35, 31,31,32.  So should start betting on 28-36 or wait for two new fresh numbers to hit?

Thanks Jason
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: tonynewlife on August 14, 2012, 12:22:42 PM
All I know is that this is the ultimate winning method.  U do need patience to play this.  Sometimes you will have drawdowns like other systems but you have to stick to the system, horizontals will come eventually, they have to, and you'll get right back up.  I never use progressions, only flat bet and it wins.  I also dont use gramps triggers, I use my own.  Like he said it's like reading a graph,  Practice hundreds of times and you'll eventually get good at it.   n don;t get greedy, set a winning goal and leave a winner.

Good luck people!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: JC StyLEE on September 12, 2012, 07:38:03 PM
I go bonkers when trying to figure out the groupings, and when to bet which exact 9 numbers when a trigger presents itself...when it seems like a particular trigger could cause you to bet 2 different sets of 9 numbers.  Can anyone PLEASE clarify this?  Thanks!  I WILL master this system....it's just taking awhile.

-JC
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: JC StyLEE on September 13, 2012, 02:45:31 PM
Actually, I got it!  Cool system!  Can't wait to practice.....over and over and over....

Cheers!

-JC
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: JC StyLEE on September 13, 2012, 03:00:36 PM

Question:

If I have

8, 14

Will I then bet 10-18.....because the 14 (which is the trigger) lies in the middle of that grouping?

OR

Will I bet 7-15....because both the 8 and 14 (trigger) lie TOGETHER in that group?

This is where I'm getting hung up.  Or should I look at past triggers and bet according to past historic D's (triggers)?

Thanks!

-JC
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: JC StyLEE on September 14, 2012, 10:05:36 AM
Nevermind!  I got it.

What are the best patterns to look for do you think?  Of course back to back Ds are great....but what else can be seen?  I'm studying my "graphs" that I compiled from different sessions played.  I'll report back when I find something.  Anyone else have any input or patterns that they've seen, whether it be on the horizontal, vertical, etc?

-JC
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: gavind on July 29, 2013, 10:43:15 AM
Actually, I got it!  Cool system!  Can't wait to practice.....over and over and over....

Cheers!

-JC

Hi JC, I was just curious on this. Are you still using this system? (https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile2.png)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on July 31, 2013, 02:24:45 PM
Here are spins recorded..Pioneer..Laughlin,NV..3/18/2005.

/9  D14/00 D24/34 D24/35 D26/11 D10 D5/29 D13/0 D23 D21/29 D31 D31/24
/29      /26       /26        /26                         /20       /28                                /31
/12                               /1                            /36
/25                           /4
/31                           /23
/17                           /0
/3                             /2
/15                           /17
/26
2 DD hits
2 D/D hits 3 step progression?
see them spins 2005. how about someone check on main roulette board 150 spins rng stevenage and turners underneath that. 21and 24/6/2013
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 01, 2013, 06:28:33 AM
Morning here Waaahome.

just been in ladbrokes 15 spins two triggers and 31.40 up. :yahoo:   out the door.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 02, 2013, 02:04:40 PM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 02, 2013, 02:24:02 PM
Fellow Grandpaa's
Not wanting to go over 20 pages of replys, can anyone inform me how  long the loosing  run after  a trigger, cheers.
COYI
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: ausguy on August 02, 2013, 04:08:11 PM
Mr. Hammer - Was that only a 9 quid profit off a 190 quid Bank Roll ?  RNG bound to lose - keep all your records as proving is believing. Good luck, as you'll need it, because history shows that very few, IF ANY, players profit medium to long term on RNG.

What's that saying ? Oh yeah now I remember, "1 swallow doesn't make a summer."
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 02, 2013, 06:01:59 PM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: ausguy on August 02, 2013, 08:19:18 PM
Don't forget to state your bankrolls so you show the difference between Gross wins & net wins. I thought you would have taken the hint on the 9/190 remark ?

For all I know your 94.60 boast could be 4.60 profit & 90.00 Bank Roll ?

Also there's no need to get nasty and swear etc.   As that's in breach of forum rules & the mods, as such may "nail" you Hammer. Hah! Hah! Ho! Ho!

Perhaps you could proudly show, as a RESPONSIBLE HUSBAND/FATHER, your last post to Mrs Hammer & Daughter ?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: xman1970 on August 02, 2013, 08:31:03 PM
@ nottophammer

let's hope you win enough to buy some soap & wash out your potty mouth........ :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: bombus on August 02, 2013, 10:05:16 PM
@ nottophammer

let's hope you win enough to buy some soap & wash out your potty mouth........ :thumbsup:

Yes nottophammer.

You're starting to sound like our old friend, stackbundles!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 03, 2013, 06:34:40 AM
yesterdays spins

13,24,21,36,2,4,36,15,21,17

11,33,26,24,32,25,2,26,1,33

19,3,7,18,30,30,22,27,26,3

11,19,15,14,19,21,25,10,1,18

4,16,25,5,3,18,7,33,3,35

6,28,32,6,1,23,4,18,35,10

Aus and co, there, 60 spins and yes you'll have to work out where the triggers are,okay. What Mr LI say, you'll have to do some work for yourselves.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 03, 2013, 06:45:46 AM
another game from different shop

1,7,22,34,6,18,11,31,31,29, triggers here Aus, if you cant work the gandpaaa system

13,22,4,33,31,14,9,7,17,34, aus can you see

23,1,19,9,18,7,33,35,23,22, Aus suppose i'm sitting here picking numbers from the sky you knocker

32,20,23,4,2,0,13,12,12,8

32,9,16,25,  Ausguy that one zero could you make it pay, us professionals on here could LOL
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 03, 2013, 07:44:15 AM
Turners shop this time

6,30,0,36,21,13,34,34,10,7

21,24,21,27,5,23,12,7,10,10

4,35,24,19,19,18,4,6,6,25

15,23,1,8,3,25,34,6,36,3

15,4,13,4,35,10,0,16,17,27

33,13,6,18,31,10,2,16,11,19

7,18,28,15,0,23,12,21,6,30,

8,20,29,20,9,3,20,32,18

Now these numbers and the other two posts are RNG. Well Granp's is working well on these numbers. Also i said the one thing you definitely know is those 37 numbers will all get hit.
Here in this game  34 of the 37 have gone in 79 spins. The avg i have for this method is 15 .8994222222222222222222222222222222 numbers will hit in 30 spins. here we had 9 in the first 10, so after the next 30 we would expect to see 24 0f the 37 gone. well it gave 14, close to its avg. As Waaahome says record record and record you will see an avg.
Ausguy dont care if you dont believe its winning as the biggest sceptic in the world of roulette mrs Hammer, is starting to believe and if she is believing who cares what you think.
Xman 70 plenty of winnings so plenty of soap, just do the granps wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: chrisbis on August 03, 2013, 11:37:31 AM
@Nottophammer

First set of numbers you posted up, last series:-

6,28,32,6,1,23,4,18,35,10

these are tough numbers to crack!  :scratch_ones_head:

the ones previous where nice, but those about.............. :punish:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 03, 2013, 11:52:17 AM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: chrisbis on August 03, 2013, 12:34:06 PM
Well, I didn't say impossible!  :pleasantry:

Just harder than the others.
I got what you got from those, 2 wins only.

Fixed BisCend9 would win on the tough ones.
I will now see what BisCending would have given me!?  :whistle:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 04, 2013, 06:58:53 PM
Chrisbis
been catching up on smart live roulette on sky.
Have 3 seperate sessions recorded with 230 spins in each. Will try and load on here some time. Wont be showing granpa's triggers thou, to hard to type out as there are triggers playing within triggers, but if you copy off you will see them, me, instead of a D i put  a T for trigger,helps when multipals of T's are showing.
Longest run on a trigger seen today has been 13. If you bet those triggered numbers like this you should be okay,

1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5,10,15,20,25,35,50.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: chrisbis on August 04, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
or you can email them direct to me on
paul_bishop@ymail.com
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: gavind on August 05, 2013, 04:03:31 PM
Can you also send this to me by any chance? (https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/1.gif)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: status on August 05, 2013, 09:36:14 PM
hello,
can somebody create an excel using this system? or a software to let you know when to bet
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 07, 2013, 05:35:47 AM
Hi Chrisbis
Smart live roulette on sky, 12am 4/8/13
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: chrisbis on August 07, 2013, 06:23:31 AM
Cheers!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 07, 2013, 09:32:53 AM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: ausguy on August 07, 2013, 05:35:10 PM
Was that a swallow that just flew by ? Nah ! My mistake it was just a pigeon. Beware the false dawn.

"nothing wins forever" - Sporting teams may fall but RNG providers keep on keeping on (forever). Have you ever seen one that's gone broke ?
You won't when a continuous flow of gullible LOSING punters ensure regular healthy profits pour into the bet providers coffers.

Just remember this Mr. Hammer re: Your "close" call situation & your inferred remark that had you lost "that would have made ausguy's day."

Incorrect Hammer, as with most people, whether you win squillions or go broke it won't affect my life one little bit & certainly you won't see me dancing around the room in a euphoric state chanting "It's made my day" "Hammer just lost"   "ding dong it's made my day, Hammer's just lost."

In fact if you read some of my previous posts I actually wish you well on your "missions" & still do. However I still push the "anti RNG barrow" so that other players know the real risks of playing RNG games.

Your recent play tells a story as your starting (in game credits) BR was 100 quid (my keyboard doesn't have a pom GBP symbol).
So your min. bet to BR ratio was 1 : 500 (20p - 100 quid). Well above adequate. Translate that ratio to real chip casino play & at a \$10 minimum the BR would be \$5,000. A lot larger than what I'd use & most other players too I'd expect ?

Many players playing the same/similar game machine might only play with a 100 BR ? As was your case you were mostly shot on your 1st BR & "invested" a further 180 into your play. Luck/good play methods saw you EVENTUALLY pull a net profit of 139 quid. The risk was always there that your other 180 could have been "eaten" also ?

If you lost the 100 + 180 = 280; Hammer, what was your next move ? Pump more in or walk away -280 poorer ?

It's the players that lose the 100, or similar, and walk away "lighter in the pocket" that I feel for as after all the BR ratio @ 1 : 500 is relatively large.
Not many, I would expect, would pump another 180% +/- to their 1st BR chasing their losses ?

This scenario is repeated (in various BR sizes) thousands of times every day which ensures profits continue to flow for the bet provider.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 07, 2013, 07:52:44 PM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: ausguy on August 08, 2013, 12:27:37 AM
Hammer - All good that you eventually won 139 after outlaying all up 280. Structured play saw you lose then recover.

If you had lost the 280 (as previously asked) would you have then quit your play session OR "invested" more money into the game ?

The min. 20p bet to 280 BR ratio calcs. to a substantial   1 : 1,400. Align this with a \$10 chip B & M casino min. & I would then have \$14,000 bulging in/out of my wallet/pockets. That's enough to buy a nice new small car.

The devils in the detail here. Many players play like as follows (lets say they have 300 in kitty to play with). They feed the game 100 to start their play. X time later they are running on empty & -100 (AT THIS STAGE SO WERE YOU). They feed in another 100 & XX time later they are again running low & now -200 (PROBABLY YOU ALSO ?).
They then push in an extra 50 ( or for you 80 ?) & XXX time later they are once more empty & -250 (I ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR FORTUNES NOW TURNED FROM BAD TO GOOD BUT POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE ALSO FAILED). Finally the last 50 is given to the ever hungry "bird" until it too is gone so player folds on -300 loss & casino/venue smiles at another 300+ in kitty.

Playing in fractions of your total BR usually affects your bet decisions. Baulking & "not pushing the money out" when the progression dictates you too is a major cause of  of game loss failures.

Mentally it's a lot different having eg 170 in your balance rather than 20 & 150 on standby in your pocket. In the hope your luck will change so you don't have to dip into your standby 150 ?
Due to the common human failing (for gambling) of EMOTION I favour playing with all your BR from the start. So 300 as in my example or in your case Hammer 280 not 100.

One other thought with your win Hammer is that the RNG game generally is bet reactive to the total cash flows generated by all players. As you say you played for about 70 minutes. Making an educated guess I put you in negative balance at the 35 - 40 min. mark, so the game "needed" your money & took it, so maybe you were -200 by then ?

At the 41min. mark the RNG game "vault" was flush with funds as lots of other players had made their "DONATIONS" so the program backed off on your plays & "ALLOWED" you to recover & finish with a 49.6% profit ?

As you say Hammer you wait for the bet & don't spin like mugs do in the (betting) shop BUT there was a significant 1st part of your 70 minutes that you too were losing.

Making it pay for me means winning much more than losing over the long term. Let's see how good/bad, +/- ,VIABLE you are after a year of plays ?

It's not a case of me believing that you & others are or are not capable of making it pay but more of a case that the RNG rigged system won't allow you to win consistantly.  It would be interesting to see how GRAMPS stacks up with real dealer play, naturally a higher BR would be needed so as to match the higher table amounts?

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 08, 2013, 04:32:43 AM
Thanks Ausguy,

Structured play, thats right strategy not willy nilly.

if it had lost the 14th spin then thats the end of the bet, END, i repeat END, no chasing, just the end of that bet.

Other bets come.

In the first trigger,it triggers another 3 triggers and its early days with granps for me,so theres possibley a mistake with marquee regarding numbers 28 and 22,i missed writting down a 28,as said early days, got to get use to writting down, as a lot is going on, 1st lay a pound so machine has you in the next draw and lots of recording to do.

Anyway Aus hear from you later
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: chrisbis on August 08, 2013, 05:38:28 AM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 08, 2013, 06:59:54 AM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: ausguy on August 08, 2013, 10:21:14 AM
Have another look in your pocket as you should have 539 quid ?  Start with 400 - 280 outlay = 120 still in pocket. Win 139 + 280 = \$419 on meter + 120 still in pocket = 539.             OR !

To have ONLY 519 sitting in your pocket your total game outlay would need to have been 300 ? Not 280 ?
Then with 419 on the meter at finish of play your profit is 119.

In pocket to pocket terms start @ 400 & finish @ 519 then GAIN = 119 not 139 ?  20 error in your profit/loss Mr. Hammer ?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 08, 2013, 02:04:16 PM
negative reply from aus as usual, simple mistake,  you can see the 280 back rounds the 400 so  539 sits in pocket.
heres some more you can poo poo mr aus turners again sarftanoon, yes the 100 in  and 40 more, but collect 231, perhaps you could work the profit incase i drop a number.
suppose the old comment wheres the paper work or the payout slip.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 08, 2013, 02:11:36 PM
chrisbis did the e-mail open okay. if so would you like more spins recorded for smart live, as seems, unlike some, your prepared to do the research,and not like those who just want to take the system and win in the southern hemisphere
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: chrisbis on August 08, 2013, 05:36:28 PM
I would love some more spins please.
Always great for testing and research.

I have not been to that email login just yet, tho will go now and have a look....should be fine.
Will let you know.
Cheers
C
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: ausguy on August 08, 2013, 07:40:30 PM
Hammer - We have a saying here in Australia "GOTTA KEEP THE BASTARDS HONEST." & also "IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT IN THE KITCHEN, THEN STAY OUT."

Turn the violin music off & put away the tissues (sniffy sniffy) a mistake is what it is, simple or other.

Even simple mistakes can cost you in play, such as betting "left" when you should have bet "right". Ever done any of those Hammer ?

I have many times & I've paid the price.

As to replies don't misconstrue CONSTRUCTIVE & label it as NEGATIVE just because it doesn't fit your mindset.

As you didn't reply to my question on your 139 win, that may benefit other players (but not me as a non RNG player), I'll ask again HOW MUCH WERE YOU LOSING & AT WHAT STAGE OF YOUR 70min. SESSION DID YOU MOVE INTO POSITIVE BALANCE ?

Also what is your MM (money mgnt.) & Bank Roll MO (method of op.) ? It seems a bit ad hoc with your variable amounts you put into your play account = some in play & some in the pocket which you add to your play balance as needed ?

As you say you bail out after losing the 14th spin (is that L14 ?) but if the play below that ebbs & flows & the game has you in negative balance how much are you prepared to outlay should for example your 400 is lost ?

Again I'll repeat myself as per a previous post "THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAIL."

Apart from yourself Hammer, based on the posts on here, it doesn't seem like anyone else is playing this game. Perhaps too complex/risky for most ?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: chrisbis on August 09, 2013, 08:53:51 AM
Thank Hammer.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 09, 2013, 10:23:19 AM
Aus
As seems your the brains, the table layout and the wheel layout. Was the table layout on european, when they had double 0,
the same order, ie, 1,2,3,4,5,6 and so on.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: ausguy on August 09, 2013, 02:10:06 PM
OK don't reply to valid questions but instead revert to some unintelligible dribble ?   It's only your credibility that suffers here.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on August 09, 2013, 03:12:27 PM
Aus
wouldn't have a clue when went from neg to pos, i just wait for the bet to come and when time is right, i hope, i play. Yes if went 14 losses its lost and wait for next bet. Dont like it complicated, so MM BR doesn't enter play, its obviously ther but till come on here never ever thought about it. There.

to answer the last ? the layouts are the same, by this i ment the colours of the numbers. So the person/s creating the euro wheel still left the table layout the same. So the outside bets on the dozens could be changed?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: gavind on October 05, 2013, 01:26:56 PM
Hi nottophammer, were you able to sort this out by any chance? (https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile2.png)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on January 05, 2014, 01:58:28 PM
I'm still goinnnnnn with this. I could post new ideas that I've been adding but my original idea works. Sometime the extras help, sometimes they don't. I will post some ideas for you to try. Later.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on January 05, 2014, 02:52:06 PM
works fine. any tweaks to this can only make it better
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on January 19, 2014, 08:59:08 PM
fellow granps players, do you find the block of nine that triggers,some times misses to the next street,well,why not increase the bet to include those two extra streets,making it a 15 chip bet in stead of a nine chip. Only an idea  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on January 30, 2014, 09:56:23 PM
Hi nottophammer, were you able to sort this out by any chance? (https://imagicon.info/cat/10-3/smile2.png)
Well  Gavin i thought if you lay the mat in a straight line, then break it at 18/19, like this
1     2    3    4    5    6   7    8    9  10  11  12   13   14  15  16  17  18
36  35  34  33  32  31 30  29  28 27  26  25   24   23  22  21  20  19
you could then have a different first doz 1 2 3 4 5 6  31  32  33 34 35 36.
The second doz would remain the same.

the third would be  7 8 9 10 11 12  25  26  27  28  29  30.

would this make  any difference  to outcomes for dozen bets.

Another idea is
1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19  20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29  30
31 32 33 34 35 36

now you could have a 1st doz of 1 2 3, 11  12 13,  21 22 23,  31 32 33,  obviously you have to place a chip  on each number this way, but it is a different doz. 2nd doz would be  4 5 6, 14 15 16, 24 25 26, 34 35 36,  3rd would be
7 8 9 10, 17 18 19 20, 27 28 29 30. If say you was to back the first doz here or either these doz  flat betting you could pick up finaal bets as well.
Just wondered why the Blanc brothers changed the layout, would this make a difference to their wheel, the now European wheel. The old euro wheel with the 0/00 now the American wheel looks more workable as numbers lay opposite to each other, just one observation. There are more regarding the outside bets.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: amk on January 31, 2014, 04:47:15 AM
Hello notto,

Thanks!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on January 31, 2014, 07:18:30 AM
Amk the only place seen the Blanc brothers mentioned is wikipedia
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: dashfort on October 10, 2014, 10:00:14 AM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on October 16, 2014, 09:23:53 AM
Dashfort
do you understand the 12 groups of 9 numbers.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: dashfort on October 16, 2014, 02:03:52 PM
i think so, is this correct?

1-9
4-12
7-15
10-18
13-21
16-24
19-27
22-30
25-33
28-36
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on October 17, 2014, 07:18:32 PM
you have to allow 1-9 twice as when street 4/6 hit you still have to cover 1/9,the same for street 31/33 you cover 28/36.

lets say spins are 28,2,14,2, no connection but say next spin is 6, 6 is in group 1/9. if next spin is number in street 7/ 9 you win. now you have connection as its linked to group1/9, but 9 is in group 4/12. so you cover those 9 numbers
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: dashfort on October 23, 2014, 05:36:50 AM
ah ok, I don't think I was doing that... how likely is it that just that little tweak will make a lot of difference?

cheers
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on October 26, 2014, 06:40:53 PM
to be honest not a lot. But remember the connection is the last two spins must overlap in their blocks of 9.

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on January 29, 2015, 02:54:48 PM
Still Going Strong  :biggrin:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: pick3pro on January 30, 2015, 01:45:21 AM
I have just joined and really like your system.  I have been playing the street version.  Do you have any more tips or strategies to share?

Thanks
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: dashfort on January 30, 2015, 03:11:50 AM
Waaahome, are you still consistently winning with this?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: pick3pro on February 02, 2015, 10:53:09 AM
I have just joined and really like your system.  I have been playing the street version.  Do you have any more tips or strategies to share?

Thanks

I played at 2 casinos in Wendover, NV, that have two roulette tables per casino on 01/31/2015.  Starting with a bankroll of \$500, I played at each table until I was able to profit \$100.  Once I got above that mark I cashed in and moved to either the other table at the casino or across the street to the other casino.

The most I was ever in the hole was a little over \$200 at 1 table.

I was able to walk away with \$460 profit from playing the 4 tables using this system.  The longest wait was just getting on a table with it being Super Bowl week-end.  Thanks for sharing I am off to a good start.  One casino was giving 9x comp points so it was a good week-end.

Wendover has 5 casinos but I typically only play at 4 of them.  Don't care for Red Garter.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 03, 2015, 04:46:07 PM
Yes. Still doing really Well. I have no other tips at the moment. Enjoy.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: pick3pro on February 08, 2015, 12:51:41 AM
I played at 2 casinos in Wendover, NV, that have two roulette tables per casino on 01/31/2015.  Starting with a bankroll of \$500, I played at each table until I was able to profit \$100.  Once I got above that mark I cashed in and moved to either the other table at the casino or across the street to the other casino.

The most I was ever in the hole was a little over \$200 at 1 table.

I was able to walk away with \$460 profit from playing the 4 tables using this system.  The longest wait was just getting on a table with it being Super Bowl week-end.  Thanks for sharing I am off to a good start.  One casino was giving 9x comp points so it was a good week-end.

Wendover has 5 casinos but I typically only play at 4 of them.  Don't care for Red Garter.

Modified the system to be more mathematically odds friendly.

Starting with bankroll of \$600 walked away with \$1100 profits at Wendover.  This time played all 4 casinos.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Willybetmore on August 11, 2015, 12:48:42 AM
Hello all, my first participation on the forum. What are the mods you have made?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on September 10, 2015, 10:02:18 PM
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Willybetmore on September 11, 2015, 04:32:52 AM

Quote from: pick3pro on February 02, 2015, 01:53:09 PM

I played at 2 casinos in Wendover, NV, that have two roulette tables per casino on 01/31/2015.  Starting with a bankroll of \$500, I played at each table until I was able to profit \$100.  Once I got above that mark I cashed in and moved to either the other table at the casino or across the street to the other casino.

The most I was ever in the hole was a little over \$200 at 1 table.

I was able to walk away with \$460 profit from playing the 4 tables using this system.  The longest wait was just getting on a table with it being Super Bowl week-end.  Thanks for sharing I am off to a good start.  One casino was giving 9x comp points so it was a good week-end.

Wendover has 5 casinos but I typically only play at 4 of them.  Don't care for Red Garter.

Modified the system to be more mathematically odds friendly.

Starting with bankroll of \$600 walked away with \$1100 profits at Wendover.  This time played all 4 casinos.

This is what I replied to
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: mr green on September 15, 2015, 02:09:33 PM
Why is this crap still on page one.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on September 30, 2015, 10:31:08 AM
Becouse ov comments like missGreen their will be no tips. Yes i am still winning.  :clapping:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: gagost02 on September 30, 2015, 01:56:13 PM
Can somebody create an Roulette Xtreme using this system?

Thanks.

G.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: I have cookies on September 30, 2015, 02:07:50 PM

Yes Normy2000 has a site norcosoft and he code into RX for 40 Euro.
When i want a system coded i pay him and get the code very quick.
Also he give great support and make changes if you change your mind or want to tweak method with more options.

CHeers
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on April 16, 2017, 12:56:31 PM
Don't remember using invisible ink on some of the replies.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: deuces1234 on April 21, 2017, 10:05:12 AM
Still working?  :)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: MrThapa on July 28, 2017, 03:37:46 PM
I liked it. The way it was explained I thought this is so difficult to track but this is damn simple. I tried it and result was ok. I played only three times after trigger happened then stopped and keep spinning  to get another trigger.

I faced this pattern
/2, /36
D31
/14, /5
D3
/25, /14
D13
/34, /1
D3
/0, /26, /35, /13, /0, /9,
D12
D11

......

I recovered somehow but I think this pattern will definitely kill you.

I hate progression but with this system sometimes you'll need it. I will try few more days and see how effective is this compared to G.U.T
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on November 12, 2017, 06:31:20 AM
:rtfm:

still winnin?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: PAGAN01 on June 16, 2018, 08:36:28 AM
Hi Gramps,

I have been working on your system for 2 weeks now and I think finally I have mastered the patterns and betting.

I have been making steady profits with this system for the last week after mastering it and I got to say that I love it, i use a progression of 1,1,1,2,2 for the 5 steps which works out just fine.

I have attached a pic of the last session I hope that you can check to see if I am doing it correctly, the blues are the D,s and I start betting after seeing the DD, D/D, D//D or D///D patterns.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on August 25, 2018, 05:40:44 AM
Great.
It does work.
Keep collecting.
🏋️‍♂️
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: deuces1234 on August 25, 2018, 07:05:31 PM
I read the whole thing. It all started in 2009 now its 2018 and you can still win wow. Can I ask... did you become millionaire?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on August 30, 2018, 12:45:05 AM
I read the whole thing. It all started in 2009 now its 2018 and you can still win wow. Can I ask... did you become millionaire?

Yes
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: deuces1234 on August 30, 2018, 06:11:22 AM
You know what is crazy? I`m testing your method some time to time and its WORKING! Like... how is it possible? Why this D numbers comes in waves D after D after D like it had to be and than DRY moment (we have to wait and note numbers) than again D D D win win win
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: deuces1234 on August 30, 2018, 07:22:03 AM
Sorry for double post.

Todays session:

28
D31
25 15 9 19 14
D16
D14
D16
28 20 0 35
D36
19 0 11 4 20 31
D34
15 35 19 15
D10
4
D4
10 4
D5
D2
28 9 28 35 4 18
D18
11
D14
35
D32

Session +260

I barely use progression. 90%+ flat bets
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: klw on September 04, 2018, 09:49:54 AM
Hi Grandpaaa -- First of all you should be commended for publishing your system on here and sticking around when all the negative stuff started flying about. It takes a resiliant soul to do this.

I'd like to simplify this system for others as I think you have over complicated the way you record your spins. What you are doing is simply recording the number of misses between a group repeating ( the last group ).

So my attempt is this :-        X = miss , R = repeat

XXXX
R
XX
R
XXXXXXX
R
R
XXX
R
XXXXX
R
R
X
R
XX
R

etc. , etc .

The advantage lies in having a picture ( your version and mine ) of the groups missing and repeating rather than just a registry of the repeats and misses such as , LLLLWLLWLLLLLLLWWLLLWLLLLLWW etc.

I'm not so sure about your bet either side of the last number after your trigger as I have no analysis if it is profitable or not, if it was everybody would be playing them but if it works for you then why not.

The plusses to this system seems to be your picture of developing play and your 5 tier negative progression which obviously helps you to win, others may not find the same result.

I personally would only need the W/L registry as I can see straight away how the picture looks,

Credit for publishing it. It's been around a long time now.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: zyphryl on September 06, 2018, 03:30:05 AM
Hi, I have a couple of questions.
1. When a neighbor number hits during a bet (1 of those 2 bets besides the 9 in the group), do you consider it a win in the prrogression or as a loss?
2. Does this merhod work with RNGs?

Thanks
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on September 23, 2018, 02:51:59 AM
:thumbsup:
Hi Grandpaaa -- First of all you should be commended for publishing your system on here and sticking around when all the negative stuff started flying about. It takes a resiliant soul to do this.

I'd like to simplify this system for others as I think you have over complicated the way you record your spins. What you are doing is simply recording the number of misses between a group repeating ( the last group ).

So my attempt is this :-        X = miss , R = repeat

XXXX
R
XX
R
XXXXXXX
R
R
XXX
R
XXXXX
R
R
X
R
XX
R

etc. , etc .

The advantage lies in having a picture ( your version and mine ) of the groups missing and repeating rather than just a registry of the repeats and misses such as , LLLLWLLWLLLLLLLWWLLLWLLLLLWW etc.

I'm not so sure about your bet either side of the last number after your trigger as I have no analysis if it is profitable or not, if it was everybody would be playing them but if it works for you then why not.

The plusses to this system seems to be your picture of developing play and your 5 tier negative progression which obviously helps you to win, others may not find the same result.

I personally would only need the W/L registry as I can see straight away how the picture looks,

Credit for publishing it. It's been around a long time now.
:dance1:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: renzohippie on October 13, 2018, 10:28:16 PM
People of 2018 have to see the system...  :girl_wacko: :girl_wacko: :girl_wacko:
Gramps how are you doing?  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: deuces1234 on October 31, 2018, 02:27:25 PM
Waaahome can you reveal how much u make a month playing this method?

And where do you play online or live casinos?

What kind of wheel? real dealer, auto air wheel or graphic RNG with virtual wheel?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: PAGAN01 on February 20, 2019, 04:16:39 PM
Winning session showing misses in red and triggers and wins in green, stopped at +\$30 using 20cent units, no,s 10. 15 and last number 21 were either side numbers or repeats which really made up for any losses.

i am willing to go through each step if anyone wants help.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: PAGAN01 on February 21, 2019, 02:31:11 PM
SESSION 2

A very short winning session.
after the 11 repeated that was the trigger to start the 5 step progression which paid off on the 5th step hitting the either side number 24,( 24 and 33 are the 2 numbers either side of last number to hit 16)  here i stop as hit my win stop of 10% of bank as I am building a bigger bankroll.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: PAGAN01 on February 21, 2019, 04:36:11 PM
decided to have another session due to 1st session being short and sweet.
a slow start with 2x 5 step progressions reached, but hit the double 6 followed by another win on the 8.
after the 2nd 5 step progression loss i got regular wins and 2 more hits on the side numbers to record a win stop at +\$32 , overall i stopped at +255 units up or \$51 for 20cent units.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Pablo450 on February 24, 2019, 03:40:44 PM
hello, I'm a beginner in roulette, I only played for a few months when I tried several methods. obviously all at one time lose. Unfortunately I have not been able to understand the explanations in the forum how this method is played. I understand how to play the 9 numbers plus 2 more. But I do not know how you write them, I find the table strange. what to do with group numbers, etc. Please, can you help me ? :blush2: is there a video simulation anywhere ?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: coulcos on February 25, 2019, 01:03:27 PM
Hi pagano1, as i am reading this topic, your post from  16 June  caught my attention. Can you explain what do you mean by saying you start your 5 step progression after seeing the DD, D/D, D//D or D///D patterns ( what is /,//,/// stand for)?
I.e (from  your attached  session 2) your first trigger is 29 win at 23 (5th step), then 15 win at 21(4th step), then 12 win at 15 (2th step), then 10 win at 30, then 31 win at 7, then 18 win at 18, then 17 win at 16, then 5 loss at 26,  then 9 win at 7 etc), but i dont think you play like that, probably i am wrong. Can you take a look at this session and give us a clue when you start betting and winning (or losing) all the way of this session?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: PAGAN01 on February 27, 2019, 05:11:28 PM
@coulcos.

Hello Coulcos

I will explain each move as it is played.

ok 1st spin just watch where it lands----No 11 comes in ,as this is my 1st spin I follow where it lands and put a bet on numbers 7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 and side bets 30 and 36 which are the 2 numbers either side of 11 on roulette wheel.

No 11 comes in and I win 36/1 on 11

bet 2------- same bets as 1st bet as repeat 11 came in  so bet numbers 7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 and side numbers 30,36
result No 4   lose

bet 3  --------- bet on numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,and side numbers 19,21    result,  26 lose

bet 4 ------- bet numbers   22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30 and side numbers 3,0   result  9  lose

bet 5 ------ bet numbers   4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 and side numbers 31,22  result 16 lose

bet 6 ------ 13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21 and side numbers  24 33   result  33 win

now if your flat betting you make 6 units profit but if you increase by 1 unit per bet untill you win your profit is \$51

pagan01

betting after a trigger is the best way to play i found , but in this session i just decided to follow the first spin and take it from there.

As Gramps says this is not a mechanical system but it is where you start untill you get into the game and then you can get a feel for it example some games there are triggers all over the place  here you can clean up and another day they are few and far between in these games if i see long streaks between triggers i play the 9 streets where the ball did not land and make 3 units a time, these have gone on for over 20 times netting 60 units before a trigger comes in.

Pagan01

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: coulcos on February 28, 2019, 10:47:45 AM
I  see in your sheets you have a stoploss at 5 lost singles (flatbetting or not) as per Gramps. But still remain unclear the number of repeaters   should be used  as a trigger .Gramps suggests to start after a DD (double repeater)as a trigger until a hit in 5 attempts, then stop and start tracking again for a new one. This is critical to me, to find the optimal entry point for betting and the logic behind it.
Progression is another puzzle. I think a cycling progression maby is suitable for this if we dont flatbet. I.e.after DD you flatbet your  11 numbers  x 3 attempts , after a losing cycle up +1until a profit shown  ,then again from scratch.
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Scrumptious on February 28, 2019, 07:30:07 PM
Ok read the entire thing. Probably somethign to it but as always proceed with caution. You'll likely lose even if you think you know whats going on. It's a casino..

With that being said I have a question..

After a trigger do you commit to the 9 numbers of that trigger? or do you guys always chase for the next 5 bets?

Ie;

3
D5
22

So here at the 22, we saw 5 as the trigger, I bet 1-9 cause 5 is in the middle of the streets.

22 shows up so should I commit to the orgiinal 1-9 trigger( from D5)  for 5 spins, or chase the 9 numbers +2 neighbors everytime a trigger section jumps. Meaning once 22 came I would bet whatever 18,19, 20, 21 , 22 , 23 , 24 , 25 , 26, plus 2 neighbors of 22?

And if that jumped I keep chasing for 3 more spins?

Does that make sense?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Pablo450 on March 01, 2019, 03:55:36 AM
Good question, and with what progression to each hand?  :blink:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: coulcos on March 01, 2019, 05:29:38 AM
As far as i can tell, you always chase  your 9 numbers and you always do this until a hit in 5 spins. Read carefully the chart and 250 live spins from rquest (page 6) and should understand .This means that with  any new fallen number you look in which group of his chart belongs (number in red colour determines the correct group). So at 22 you bet group H from his chart, (loose, not in group B where D5 belongs),  8 falls (loose,not in H group, so you bet group C), 1 falls , (loose ,not in C, bet A), 12 falls, (loose,not in A, bet D), 34 falls, (loose, not in D, bet L), 11 falls, (loose, end of a loosing sequense).
Now, i would personally   prefer to bet stictly 9  numbers (not 2 added  side as per Gramps), and only up to 4 times , not 5. This would resulted in  -36 units loss at worst or in +9 gain  in four attempts. Also trigger should be  of course every new D, stop in every D(DDX) and start over again. Another considerable thought is to bet only after  a XD. Stop if we hit a new X and waiting a new D to come up to start over. Oppositely we dont stop if we hit back to back Ds, we run after them, because if we catch them they will bring big smiles in our faces  :biggrin:
Always  flatbetting and covering 0 with minimum stake. And always to have in front of your eyes  the  superb chart of rquest when you bet!
Cheers!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: nottophammer on March 01, 2019, 09:37:55 PM
Granps on the wheel, using rquest page 6

(http://www.pichost.org/images/2019/03/01/source.png) (http://www.pichost.org/image/Uttlt)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: PAGAN01 on March 02, 2019, 06:34:59 AM

Ok read the entire thing. Probably something to it but as always proceed with caution. You'll likely lose even if you think you know whats going on. It's a casino..

With that being said I have a question..

After a trigger do you commit to the 9 numbers of that trigger? or do you guys always chase for the next 5 bets?

Ie;

3
D5
22

So here at the 22, we saw 5 as the trigger, I bet 1-9 cause 5 is in the middle of the streets.

22 shows up so should I commit to the orgiinal 1-9 trigger( from D5)  for 5 spins, or chase the 9 numbers +2 neighbors everytime a trigger section jumps. Meaning once 22 came I would bet whatever 18,19, 20, 21 , 22 , 23 , 24 , 25 , 26, plus 2 neighbors of 22?

And if that jumped I keep chasing for 3 more spins?

Does that make sense?

Good Morning,

you are correct, the D5 is the 1st trigger and you start betting streets 1-9, bet 2 would be streets 19, 22,25  if you get a win here wait for next trigger and start over, if no hit bet 3 would follow the ball.
from my experience i find 3 attempts then stop is best and wait for next trigger where you increase bets by 1 unit for 3 more attempts.
depending on your bankroll you can bet each individual number + 2 side numbers or just 1 unit on each street .
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Scrumptious on March 04, 2019, 10:10:54 PM
So far theres no reason to believe this would work. Theres nothing new here you are just chasing numbers. My trials have failed. I will try a few more attempts to see what happens.

Betting based on the felt makes no sense either.

a 9-number betting with progression based on the wheel number locations would make more sense. The entire point is to bet around where you think the ball will land. Picking sections of the felt is picking random places on the wheel which is back to red/black betting.

So this is nonsense . I would like to be wrong though .
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: mr green on May 11, 2019, 11:15:05 AM
10 YEARS

This is a pile of crap

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rodnik84 on January 26, 2020, 09:43:02 PM
WAAHOME you are a Genius!!!
The trigger is the first D.
I suggest two strategies:
Soft: 1 unit per street, 1 unit per neighbor -> Total 5 units
3 attempts then stop
flat betting

Hard: 1 unit per number -> total 11 units
3 attempts than stop

I have played the Soft one in Lightning Round Roulette and 300x came out!!!

Thank you again man!!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 02, 2020, 12:39:59 PM
:)
WAAHOME you are a Genius!!!
The trigger is the first D.
I suggest two strategies:
Soft: 1 unit per street, 1 unit per neighbor -> Total 5 units
3 attempts then stop
flat betting

Hard: 1 unit per number -> total 11 units
3 attempts than stop

I have played the Soft one in Lightning Round Roulette and 300x came out!!!

Thank you again man!!
:)
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: poluvolo on February 10, 2020, 01:49:36 PM
HI to all members
after understanding  the bet selection i decided start test it
all  I can say until now of course after testing 2000 spins very high winning rate
money management of course very easy
i am playing with sessions
after making 30 units plus stop session
after lose 75 units stop session
until now my winning rate  6/1
means 6essions winning 180 units
1 session lost 75 units
very early of course but.... seems innovative
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 17, 2020, 09:58:33 PM
Love It!! :clapping:
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: waaahome on February 19, 2020, 03:02:41 AM
Love It!! :clapping:
1400 chips Day! What a good Day!

Cheers Everyone!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: PassionRuleta on March 01, 2020, 06:01:29 AM
WAAHOME you are a genius !!!
The trigger is the first D.
I suggest two strategies:
Soft: 1 unit per street, 1 unit per neighbor -> Total 5 units
3 attempts then stop
flat bets

Difficult: 1 unit per number -> total of 11 units
3 attempts to stop

I played Soft in Lightning Round Roulette and I left 300x!

Thanks again man !!

Hi, I don't understand the system, if I can explain better ...
How many streets and which streets are played?

thanks
1 tab a
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: bcvalente on March 01, 2020, 07:32:56 PM
Hi,

110 spins on a live roulette +148 units profit. Can anyone check if I´am doing this right.

Tks,
BV

Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: deuces1234 on March 02, 2020, 01:02:52 PM
1400 chips Day! What a good Day!

Cheers Everyone!

What was the value of chips?
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Rodnik84 on March 08, 2020, 08:48:38 PM
;D
HI to all members
after understanding  the bet selection i decided start test it
all  I can say until now of course after testing 2000 spins very high winning rate
money management of course very easy
i am playing with sessions
after making 30 units plus stop session
after lose 75 units stop session
until now my winning rate  6/1
means 6essions winning 180 units
1 session lost 75 units
very early of course but.... seems innovative
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: lesliewheeler on April 12, 2020, 04:20:49 AM
I have tried and tested this system for quite some time now and it looks to be quite a winner when it comes to hit and run... You do need a good bankroll for it though...

The decisions are made in a semi mechanical way which makes this a potentially good system.

One thing that i have observed in live play is that there are some delaers that keep hitting the straight line but some are just going vertical then giving a trigger and then all vertical... This observation for judgement can only come in with the human factor.. Run to a different table when u see a dealer change and long vertical line..

Overall a cool system Gramps!!

Cheers!!
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: Killerink on May 01, 2020, 06:54:24 PM
Well hello everyone, been watching vlsroulette for a while from behind the scenes and I must say WAAAHOME is on to something with his GrandPa System. I love it, so far I’m playing rng where I live and with a little mixture of this and that which helps me great with this system. What I do is spin a few times at least 6 times without betting and without any doubles from the Ds showing up and then I jump in, but I add progressions. Thus far between the 1st and 7th progression I’m hitting it. It’s been about 4 days straight and I’m loving it. I’ll post in a few days to tell my update, hope it carry well into the end of the year, heck for the rest of my life 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
Title: Re: THE GRANDPAAA WAY
Post by: deedee3085 on June 13, 2020, 05:05:35 PM
the numbers are
2.     d9
19
5
in this case we have to bet at street that contains 9 and the 2 neighboards streets. i have to make the bet flat or i can make it with progression  2,4,6,8,10.   is that correct?

if i have not a win i see next spins without betting( fiction game) and wait for a new D.  is that correct?

now if like the example of d9 it continue this form
2.    d9 / 36
19.          17
5.             1
at this point i had bet 2,4,6 to try to win with d9 but if now the new number is for example 3 i have a new d3.
2.         d9/ 36.     d3
19.               17
5.                   1
i have to continue the progresive bet with 8 waiting the d9 or i have to forget it and bet to the new d3 in a new progression with 2 units?