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Thread spawned from HOW TO FIND A CONSISTENT WINNING ROULETTE BET (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/how-to-find-a-consistent-winning-roulette-bet/)

This is for people to debate finding a consistent winning roulette bet.

CEH is going to publish a bet, but not the ACETF bet.

"I HAVE SPOTTED WHAT MAY BE A COUPLE OF DECENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE "WANDERED" BY MISTAKE INTO VLS. FOR YOU GUYS PLEASE WATCH THIS WEBSITE.

I WILL ACTUALLY PUBLISH SOON A GOOD FLAT BET THAT IS SUITABLE FOR PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS ONLY. I MUST OF COURSE WAIT UNTIL ALL THE DELUDED HAVE FINISHED HANGING THEMSELVES.
(NOT THE ACETF BET)

IT IS BETTER THAN ANY BET YOU WILL EVER SEE ON ANY FORUM. IT IS BETTER THAN ANY BET EVER SOLD BY ANY SCAMMER. I DID USE IT MYSELF IN THE EARLY DAYS AND GENUINELY MADE A REASONABLE PROFIT.

SO THERE YOU HAVE IT. POOR OLD CHARLIE IS GOING TO PUT HIS HEAD ON THE LINE. YOU WILL THEN REALIZE YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE "READ" THIS SITE CORRECTLY WITHOUT PUTTING "INTERPRETATIONS" ON REAL FACTS AND GOOD CLUES.

IF YOU WISH TO USE THIS BET I SUGGEST YOU READ-UP ON PAGE 7.  YOU WILL NEED TO APPLY "STRATEGY" TO THIS BET
I WILL EXPLAIN ALL IN FULL.  BUT I DO EXPECT THE OTHER IDIOTS TO GET IT WRONG AND OF COURSE LOSE."

I am done posting anything about the "ceh" bet.
I joined this forum to have fun and not to pick fights.
Just Look, Listen, and Learn.
I am still studying. Always learning.
Always trying to do the right thing.
Sometimes, the right thing is hard to find.
Happy Hunting :thumbsup:

Church out 8)

All done. Thanks VLS.
Bye, Bye,

Church out

I notice Charles has taken this off his website - looks like he's not going to publish a flat bet after all!

I WONDER WHY!!!!!!!!!(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fvlsroulette.com%2Frichedit%2Fsmileys%2FTeasing%2F3.gif&hash=d8e9c30c5995c5469bddbbde6ac21a5455905948) 
TSK

Hi everyone,

I honestly don't know what to think about that website..he says "look at the table" and talks about trapping more winners then losers. the only way to do that would be to place (at least for what I've seen so far):

1) 1 unit on red,1 on first column,1 on second column

or

2) 1 unit on black, 1 on first column,1 on third column

in both cases there would 5 numbers left..would it be possible to code this on RX? for example alternating mechanically the first and second bet,number 1) first and then number 2) ,then number 1) and so on..?

Regards

Hi
win3mil
I have tried this betting with the last colour spun...
1 unit on red and 1 on columns 1+3 or 1 unit on black and 1unit on columns 1+2....and its not a winner from what I can see
The Spiders Kiss

******win3mil
I have tried this betting with the last colour spun...
1 unit on red and 1 on columns 1+3 or 1 unit on black and 1unit on columns 1+2....and its not a winner from what I can see
The Spiders Kiss
Posted on: Yesterday at 01:31:31 PMPosted by: win3milion@inmydreams ******

This method above  will blow  you right off the table:

Take a look at the layout. You have created your own enemy. You either have  8 blacks  or  8 reds  against you.

Here is  what I would play: last color BLACK > 1 unit on Black  and 1 unit on column 1 and 3.

Last color RED >  1 unit on  RED and 1 unit on column  1 and 2.


On the uncovered column  will lose only  on  FOUR  numbers and only half  the amount on  8 numbers.


Just a thought.



Nathan Detroit

HAPPY WININGS!!!

Hi Nathan
I tried that too and was a loser too.
I think after reading the win3mill site ive just about exhausted all this type of bet lol
Thanks anyway
TSK

HERES AN IDEA FOLLOW  THE LAST DOZEN WITH THE SAME COLOR THAT JUST CAME UP , DOUBLE EDGE IT  WITH THE OPPOSITE COLOR SO IT THE RESULT IS RED 1ST DOZEN THEN 1 UNIT ON ON ALL THE REDS IN THAT DOZEN EDGED WITH THE BLACK THEN EQUAL AMOUNT ON THE 2ND AND 3RD DOZEN IF THE RED REPEATS IN THE 1ST YOU WIN IF IT HIT THE BLACK YOU LOSE HALF AND IF IT HITS THE 2ND OR 3RD YOU BREAK EVEN AND ALWAYS BET WITH WHATEVER THE RESULTS OF THE WHEEL GIVES YOU  .

Hi Charles, I am still unclear on this, can you give more examples?

LETS SAY 5 RED CAME IN YOU WOULD BET ALL THE RED S IN DOZEN 1 THEN YOU WOULD SPLIT BLACK NUMBERS IN THE FIRST DOZEN THEN IN TOTAL IT 12 UNITS THEN YOU WOULD BET ALSO 12 UNITS ON THE 2ND AND THE 3RD DOZEN .SO IF YOU HIT THE LOW REDS YOU MAKE 1 UNIT IF IT LANDS ON THE LOW BLACKS YOU LOSE HALF OF YOUR BET AND IF IT LANDS IN THE 2ND OR THIRD DOZEN YOU BREAK EVEN  SO LETS SAY ON THAT SPIN THE 15 CAME OUT YOU WOULD DO THE SAME BET AS ABOVE . ITS SLOW BUT ITS SAFE  IF THE 0 COME OUT YOU LOSE. 

Interesting.
But I think those low blacks and Zero's would still eat you up.
Should test it.
That's alot of chips to lose for such a low profit.
I think the profit vs risk needs to improve.
Nice to see people working on it again.

HI LLCHURCH THIS WAS JUST FOR FUN WAS BORED JUST PLAYING AROUND.

ON A SERIOUS NOTE I HAVE BEEN TESTING I NEED PEOPLE TO HELP ME I ALL READY HAVE 1300 SPINS ON THIS BET AND IM IN PROFIT 200 UNITS FLAT BETTING ONLY  AND THE ONE THAT LIKE PROGRESSION EVEN BETTER  IT REQUIRES TO BET BET ON 2 TABLES AT ONCE  I NO WHAT YOUR THINKING FORGET THE OUT SIDE BETS IT WON'T WORK ITS ON THE INSIDE LET ME NO IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED.ALL THE BEST TINO.

That's ok. :)
But if you want to figure it out, you need to look at the clues.
He talks about the the disparities concerning the colors(red and black)
and the even odds. He talks about the unevenness on the board, in the columns.
Seems to me that is where it whould start. All with the red,black,even, and odd. And the unevenness's on the board. All of the board. :)
-church out

BTW, good testing. Keep up the good work.

96 PAGES WE NEVER FOUND ANYTHING ON THE UNEVENESS OF THE BOARD.REGARDS TINO

Really?
Look again

LL CHURCH WE NO THAT THE BOARD IS EUNEVEN WHAT I MEAN IS THAT THERE IS NO BET THAT WE FOUND WITH IN THE UNEVENNESS OF THE BOARD .

What's happening guys... 8)


New Ken

Hi Tino and Church
I have been experimenting with the unevenness for a while now and like Tino says I have had no luck at all.
I am also glad to see that an interest has been taken up with this again
TSK

Hi new ken

I still have been working on it.
very interesting stuff.
I love puzzles. :)

Other than the unevenness in the 1st dozen and the columns. Are there any other such places on the board?

10 BLACKS EVEN 10 RED ODD 8 BLACK ODD 8 RED EVEN  ITS A 5 TO 4 RATIO   BLAC EVEN AND RED ODD SHOULD HIT MORE THEN THEN THE OTHER DUE TO THE 5 TO 4 RATIO AND THATS A FACT OVER 1 MILLION SPINS.NEW KEN WHATS UP GOOD TO HERE FROM YOU

Thanks Tino but, that didn't pertain to my question.
Are there any more places like the 1st dozen and the 2 column?

LL CHURCH IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FROM 1 TO 10 AND 19 TO 28 ITS THE SAME PATTERN ON THE BOARD THE 11 AND THE 12  AND 29 AND THE 30 ARE THE SAMEIN THE 2ND AND 3RD COLUM ALSO  OTHER THEN THAN THAT   EVERY STREE HAS 2 REDS ONE BLACK AND VISA VERSA  THERE ARE MORE BLACKS IN THE 1 2 COLUM MORE REDS IN 1-3 COLUM  THERE ARE 8 SERIES  4 BLACK ODD HIGH 4 BLACK ODD LOW AND 4 RED LOW EVEN 4 RED HIGH EVEN 5 BLACK EVEN LOW 5EVEN BLACK HIGH 5 RED ODD LOW 5 RED ODDHIGH .REGARDS TINO

Whew--guys, I've never stopped testing---done all sorts of things...
Gotta admit, though. So far I've failed...

But I still believe (curse me)  8)

Quote from: CHARLES on April 06, 2009, 05:06:26 PM
LL CHURCH IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FROM 1 TO 10 AND 19 TO 28 ITS THE SAME PATTERN ON THE BOARD THE 11 AND THE 12  AND 29 AND THE 30 ARE THE SAMEIN THE 2ND AND 3RD COLUM ALSO  OTHER THEN THAN THAT   EVERY STREE HAS 2 REDS ONE BLACK AND VISA VERSA  THERE ARE MORE BLACKS IN THE 1 2 COLUM MORE REDS IN 1-3 COLUM  THERE ARE 8 SERIES  4 BLACK ODD HIGH 4 BLACK ODD LOW AND 4 RED LOW EVEN 4 RED HIGH EVEN 5 BLACK EVEN LOW 5EVEN BLACK HIGH 5 RED ODD LOW 5 RED ODDHIGH .REGARDS TINO

But wait, there's more

All right Mr. Kiss. ;D
Do you play them every spin? With a progression? (please say no)

No mate  I leave it on every spin......flat bet!!!.but i dont think this is the CEH bet lol
TSK

I don't think it is either.
BTW. Any sharks in here?

I do think it is "part" of the puzzle.

But wait, there's more :D

Sharks???????

Yeah, Sharks. Haven't you been reading his updates?
You know swimming with sharks. People with bad intentions. Like selling his bet. Or casino operators. Or Darth Vader.(I could be wrong on that part.)

Oh right yeah!!!!
Well not sure what to make of his updates but the whole thing gets me thinking  :o
TSK

Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on April 06, 2009, 05:31:50 PM
Oh right yeah!!!!
Well not sure what to make of his updates but the whole thing gets me thinking  :o
The Spiders Kiss

about what

About what and IF there is a consistent winning bet and what it is IF there is
TSK

Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on April 06, 2009, 05:36:24 PM
About what and IF there is a consistent winning bet and what it is IF there is
The Spiders Kiss

Well, the "what it is" is what this threads about.
If there is a CWB is another question. I am pretty sure there is.

So the real question is.... How do you make these and other oddities on the board work in your favor?

New quote from CEH on Page 19 (at the bottom)

Quote
CONGRATULATIONS.
I WILL NOW GIVE YOU A GENUINE AND EASY CLUE FOR READING THIS FAR.

FORGET "LATERAL THINKING" OR ANYTHING TOO COMPLEX. THIS IS STRAIGHT FOWARD.

THERE IS A SHORT SENTENCE OF MORE THAN ONE WORD AND LESS THAN FOUR THAT IS THE FULL EXPLANATION WHY THE ACETF BET IS A WINNER, AND A FEW OTHER GOOD BETS DO WORK.......AND THEY HAVE A "REASON" WHY THEY WIN CONSISTENTLY.

FIND THAT "SENTENCE" AND YOU WILL "SEE" NOT ONLY HOW YOU CAN NOW BE A PERMANENT WINNER, BUT ALSO WHY YOU HAVE BEEN FOOLING YOURSELVES FOR SO LONG.   NO REASON TO WIN = NO WIN

GET IT !  AND YOU CAN BET £1,000 A TIME AND WIN BETWEEN 3 TO 20 THOUSAND PER SESSION VERY EASY.....AND THAT LADIES & GENTLEMEN IS:
A PROVEN FACT. (Too much for you?...here's a tip...it's only 000000000's)

Quote from: ozshabs on April 06, 2009, 08:13:11 PM
New quote from CEH on Page 19 (at the bottom)

Yeah, seen it. A two to three word sentence. Covers alot of ground
I wonder if we can narrow it down?

Hi Philc

Your post regarding the four bet selection inspired me to do an excel bet selection worksheet based on your bet selection. There were five rules.

• if the last number spun was R & O, bet selection was number one from your post
• if the last number spun was R & E, bet selection was number two from your post
• if the last number spun was B & E, bet selection was number three from your post
• if the last number spun was B & O, bet selection was number four from your post
• if the last number spun was 0, the previous bet was selected again

Just have a play with the attached spreadsheet and let me know if that helps you with testing.

Any issues, please let me know.

Ozshabs

Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on April 06, 2009, 05:14:12 PM
Guys
My best results have been playing street 1&2(1st dozen) and streets 4&5.This way you cover all red/odd and black even
The Spiders Kiss

Hey Spider! Please present the Outlay for this mate. And you must mean Doublestreets right?

Cheers
/Compa

Quote from: LL Church on April 06, 2009, 03:38:20 PM
That's ok. :)
But if you want to figure it out, you need to look at the clues.
He talks about the the disparities concerning the colors(red and black)
and the even odds. He talks about the unevenness on the board, in the columns.
Seems to me that is where it whould start. All with the red,black,even, and odd. And the unevenness's on the board. All of the board. :)
-church out

BTW, good testing. Keep up the good work.

here we go again! ;D



THE ROULETTE TABLE (single zero) EUROPEAN WHEEL


There are 6 reds and 6 blacks in the 1st column
There are 4 reds and 8 blacks in the 2nd column
There are 8 reds and 4 blacks in the 3rd column
There are 10 red and odd numbers
There are 8  red and even numbers
There are 10 black end even numbers
There are 8 black and odd numbers
The 1st dozen has 10 of the 20  r/o and b/e numbers
The 2nd dozen has 6  of the rest of r/o and b/e numbers
There are 3 sets of reverse numbers  12/21  13/31  23/32
There are 3 double same digit numbers   11, 22, 33
There are 6 streets with 2 blacks and 1 red in each
There are 6 streets with 2 reds and 1 black in each
There are 10 high numbers nearest the zero half of the wheel
There are 8   high  numbers in the opposite to zero half of the wheel
That in each quarter of the wheel the o/e and r/b are  4 to5
That in each quarter of the wheel the r/o and the b/e are 3 to 2
There are 6 streets with 2 even numbers in each
There are 6 streets with 2 odd numbers in each

1400 SPINS STILL IN PROFIT GUYS.

Hi Tino
Care to say how much you are up in 1300 spins my friend? Just to give us an idea
TSK

TKS IM UP 162 UNITS THATS FLAT BETTING ONLY IF YOU USE PROGESSION EVEN MORE , THE WAY I SEEN THIS GO TO 9 IN PROGRESSION BUT  BUT THATS NOT INCULDING 8 BREAK EVEN SO IN MY OPPINION ITS VERY SAFE AND I HAVE ONLY SEEN THIS ONCE IN 1400 SPINS AND IF I WERE TO USE A FORMULA LIKE CHE SAYS GO FOR 12 UNITS  AND NEVER GO BELOW 3 UNITS ITS A WINNER EVERY TIME.

Very nice Tino
Thanks for the reply mate
TSK

Quote from: f-rl-player on April 07, 2009, 09:52:43 AM
here we go again! ;D



THE ROULETTE TABLE (single zero) EUROPEAN WHEEL


There are 6 reds and 6 blacks in the 1st column
There are 4 reds and 8 blacks in the 2nd column
There are 8 reds and 4 blacks in the 3rd column
There are 10 red and odd numbers
There are 8  red and even numbers
There are 10 black end even numbers
There are 8 black and odd numbers
The 1st dozen has 10 of the 20  r/o and b/e numbers
The 2nd dozen has 6  of the rest of r/o and b/e numbers
There are 3 sets of reverse numbers  12/21  13/31  23/32
There are 3 double same digit numbers   11, 22, 33
There are 6 streets with 2 blacks and 1 red in each
There are 6 streets with 2 reds and 1 black in each
There are 10 high numbers nearest the zero half of the wheel
There are 8   high  numbers in the opposite to zero half of the wheel
That in each quarter of the wheel the o/e and r/b are  4 to5
That in each quarter of the wheel the r/o and the b/e are 3 to 2
There are 6 streets with 2 even numbers in each
There are 6 streets with 2 odd numbers in each

Well, since you have that all figured out. You seem to know it all. (Those who know everything, learn nothing)I guess I bow out to the greater minds.
Good luck and
Happy Hunting. :thumbsup:
-LL Church out!

NO BUT IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO TEST THIS THEN I CAN COMPARE  RESULTS .

IM NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS .

Tino
I would like to test this but I dont really understand your bet.....sorry Bro
TSK

TKS I WILL POST LATER.

ok mate

Hi Tino
would you place a bet every time or just when its landed in the 1st dozen??
The Spiders Kiss
I think I now understand the rest lol

HI Phil

Quote from: Philc on April 07, 2009, 12:21:02 PM

ps. Great job Ozshabs, just one small point, it sometimes bets 9 or 11 units after the zero. I'm not sure why when it comes to excel formulas (and a few other things) I'm slightly retarded 

I am glad that the excel is of some use. I have looked at the excel worksheet again regarding bet units being 9 and 11 and guess what, found some errors with the formula. Have fixed those up and attached is an updated version. I welcome all sorts of feedback, that way, I can try to improve.

Happy testing  :)

Quote from: CHARLES on April 07, 2009, 06:10:34 PM
TKS I WILL POST LATER.

Tino, will really appreciate further information on your bet layout so that we can test it with our data as well.

Cheers

OK THIS IS THE BET VERY SIMPLE ITS AN EVEN BET YOU PLAY 2 TABLES AT THE SAME TIME  YOU FOLLOW THE LAST RESULT.
                     THE LINES ARE 1-3-5    2-4-6  YOU WILL BET THESE TOGETHER AS A GROUP TO MAKE AN EVEN BET ,SO IF THE RESULT ON ONE TABLE  IS 2 BLACK THAT BELONGS TO THE 1-3-5 GROUP  PLAY THOSE LINES. AND DO THAT ON BOTH TABLES .   FTL RESULT.AND PAY ATTENTION WHEN YOU HIT YOUR TARGET PROFIT  THEN QUIT BUT I TEST FOR A 100 SPINS EACH SESSION JUST TO SEE WHAT IT DOES AND HOW IT BEHAVES AND IF I WANT TO USE A PROGRESSION ITS SAFE BECAUSE THERE ARE ALOT OF BREAK EVEN SITUATIONS SO YOUR NOT PROGRESSING EVEY SPIN, AND IF IM IN PROFIT LETS 12 UNITS AND I HIT A BAD RUN I DO NOT USE A PROGRESSION IM ONLY USING CASINO PROFIT BUT YOU CAN IF YOU WANT YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR YOUR OWN STYLE OF PLAY AND WHAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH AND IF YOU USE CHE FORMULA YOU DO NOT GO BELOW 3 UNITS   OR QUIT AFTER A BAD RUN AT 3 UNITS  . THATS IT GUYS IT SLOW BUT MY TESTING ON THIS IS GOOD  IM AT A1400 SPINS IF YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO TEST THIS FOR A FEW MORE 100 RD SPINS THAT WOULD BE GREAT.REMEBER A CONSISTENT WINNING BET NOT A SECRET WINNING BET IT CAN BE ANY BET THE MAKES PROFIT WITH OUT A BIG RISK  HE ALSO SAYS THERES ATRIGGER EVERY SPIN THIS HAS A TRIGGER EVERY SPIN BETTER TO WIN A LITTLE AT A TIME THEN TO LOSE ALOT IN ONE SHOT IT AINT WORTH IT  WE WORK TO HARD FOR OUR MONEY.  . ALL THE BEST TINO PS . LET ME NO ON YOUR RESULTS PLEASE.   VICTOR ALWAYS SAY KEEP GRINDING.

WHY I THOUGHT OF THIS WAYOF BETTING I WAS SITTING AROUND AND ASK MYSELF HOW COME THEY WIN MOST OF THE TIME ,THEY DON'T CARE IF ONE GUY WINS BECAUSE THEY NO THE NEXT GUY WILL LOSE TWICE AS MUCH THATS WHY IM PLAYING THE 2 TABLES I THOUGHT ONE WIN ONE LOSES BREAK EVEN ,IN THE END THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF PROFIT  EVEN IF ITS SMALL  AND I NO ITS BEEN DONE BEFORE BUT ON THE OUTSIDE BETS I HAVE NEVER SEEN DONE LIKE THIS OVER AND OUT CHEERS.

I'm a little lost, what do you mean by 1-3-5 group and 2-4-6 group?

They are lines 1, 3, and 5, and lines 2, 4,and 6, making 18 numbers each
Eg Line 1 consists of no's1 to 6

Hello CHARLES,

Thanks for explaining your BET. I believe this is something interesting and few have thought about it? It somehow contain the fluctuation by betting on two tables simultaneously. Do you stick to the outcome of only one table to initiate your bet or do you alternate? I believe it does not make any difference. Please correct me if I am wrong. If you don't mind, could you please highlight on the CEH FORMULA. I am new to this topic and sincerely would like to spend time testing on this interesting subject.

Regards

sniper

SNIPER YOU LOOK AT THE RESULTS ON BOTH TABLES , START BETTING RIGHT AWAY  I JUST USE A PENCIL AND PAPER AND WRIGHT TABLE 1   TABLE 2   I KEEP TRACK THIS WAY, ALL THE BEST TINO                                                                                                                                                   

Hello TINO,

Thanks for your reply. Does it mean we play two tables simultaneously? We bet each table individually on either line 1 3 5 or 2 4 6 based on the last winning number of each table.

Regards

sniper

YOU GOT IT SNIPER .

Thanks TINO.
I will try this out on B&M casino over this weekend.

Regards

sniper

I FORGOT TO MENTION IF YOU HIT A ZERO BET THE RESULT THAT YOUR ON AGAIN.PS: ANOTHER SESSION IN THE PLUS

Hello TINO,

Congratulation on your winning!!!
Does it mean, if we hit a zero, we repeat the last bet?

Thanks

sniper

YES SNIPER CHEERS .

TODAY I REACHED 1500 SPIN AND STILL IN PROFIT .

 ???
Hmmm

PHILIC WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAN .

Quote from: Philc on April 10, 2009, 06:59:16 AM
Quote from page 19 win3million.com:

"Tino. You have done a good job. They will collapse soon without any more help. Get out now. To x,y& s, back up Tino to confuse. Thank you Charles"

WHAT?


"We are together making them......desperate!
YOUR HELP IS...WELCOME.   WHAT CAN YOU DO TODAY ?
Send Tino thanks"

Tino this is on the win3millionwebsite bottom of page 19

Yes....well "Tino" as is as per the quote above
The Spiders Kiss

GO CHECK IT OUT!!

SPIDER THE QUOTE IS THER BUT HE DOES NOT MENTION ME ON THERE SO IM NOT SURE WHAT PHILIC MEANS BY I HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB.PS SPIDER HAVE YOU TRYED THE 2 TABLE BET.

Yes mate I have .
I dont have the figures to hand but I am slightly up after 100 spins or so.
TSK

Quote from: Philc on April 10, 2009, 06:59:16 AM
Quote from page 19 win3million.com:

"Tino. You have done a good job. They will collapse soon without any more help. Get out now. To x,y& s, back up Tino to confuse. Thank you Charles"

WHAT?


"We are together making them......desperate!
YOUR HELP IS...WELCOME.   WHAT CAN YOU DO TODAY ?
Send Tino thanks"

...and the soap opera continues. "As the wheel turns, will be back after this commercial break" :D

Tino,

I think I get your bet mate. Short test 20 spins + 3.5. Looks amazing mate, well done.
5 red hits
We bet on all the reds in dozen 1, 2 units and on the blacks 1 unit. That's a total of 18 units
We also bet 18 units on dozen 2 and 3

If 0 hit's we lose 54 units, that's a huge loss, how do we handle that?

I realise this has nothing to do with the (or any) bet. But, has anyone noticed you can cover 45%-50% of probable outcome with just 2 units making a 4/1 profit with each win?

Quote from: Philc on April 10, 2009, 02:56:39 PM
The Quote was copied and pasted as seen by me and The spiders kiss
CEH must have changed it before you read it.
Its like instant messaging between VLS and win3million.com

Absolutely right phil

JHM I BORED WHEN I DID THAT  MY BET IS THE 2 TABLE BET  BUT I DO NOT HAVE ANY RESULTS FROM ANY ONE HER I NOW HAVE 1600 SPINS  STILL IN PROFIT AND IM GOING TO THE CASINO TO PLAY THIS AND TEST FOR REAL .  REGARDS TO EVERY ONE JHM DONT PYAY ANY ATTENTION TO THAT BET YOUR TALKING ABOUT I WAS ONLY MESSING AROUND TRY THE 2 TABLE BET JHM I THINK YOU WILL LIKE ITS SLOW BUT IT MAKES MONEY AND IF YOU WANT TO USE SMALL PROGRESSION IT WILL WORK WELL..

Hey Tino your up on win3mill website again lol.
This time I took the liberty of screen shooting the page in case it disappears lol.
Your famous Bro!!!
TSK

IM FAMOUS HURRAY I MADE IT TO HIS WEB SIGHT BUT IM STILL NOT WINNING 3 MILLION A YEAR .IM NOT HERE TO ENTERTAIN ANY ONE IM HERE TO BEAT THAT F***KING GAME. AND IF HE' S GETTING ENTERTAINED  I WANT TO GET F***KING PAID FOR IT SINCE HE'S A MILLIONARE.OVER AND OUT TINO.

@Tino
LMFAO!!!!!

Tino,

Why lines:
1(1-6), 3(13-18), 5(25-30)
2(7-12), 4(16-21), 6(31-36)

- What do they have in comment that we play those?
- Do we need to play 2 tables?
- Do we need to use a progression?

JHM THOSE LINES WORK FOR ME BECAUSE I HAVE TESTED OVER 2000 SPINS AND I NO MORE OR LESS HOW HI IT GOES IN CHOPS PLAYED IN VEGAS AND DID WELL WITH BUT I HAD DO WAITED SOME TIMES 6 CHOPS IN ROW BEFORE BETTING  THATS WHY I LIKE THE 2 TABLE IDEA IM NOT WAITING I START PLAYING RIGHT AWAY AND AS FAR AS PRORESSION GOES ITS UP TO YOU  IF IM UP IN UNITS I DON'T PROGRESS ON LOSSES .BUT YOU HAVE TO TEST AND SEE FOR YOUR SELF ITS INTERESTING BECAUSE IF YOU LIKE PROGRESSION THE BREAK EVEN SAVES ALOT ON PROGRESSION IF YOU NO WHAT I MEAN.ALL THE BEST JHM. PS IM STILL NOT GETTING RESULTS FROM ANYONE I JUST WANT TO NO IF YOU GUYS ARE GETTING GOOD RESULTS OR NOT.

Tino, how do you know he's an millionaire  :o?? Did you see his bank account  ????





Carlitos 8)

Quote from: CHARLES on April 11, 2009, 01:16:07 AM
JHM THOSE LINES WORK FOR ME BECAUSE I HAVE TESTED OVER 2000 SPINS AND I NO MORE OR LESS HOW HI IT GOES IN CHOPS PLAYED IN VEGAS AND DID WELL WITH BUT I HAD DO WAITED SOME TIMES 6 CHOPS IN ROW BEFORE BETTING  THATS WHY I LIKE THE 2 TABLE IDEA IM NOT WAITING I START PLAYING RIGHT AWAY AND AS FAR AS PRORESSION GOES ITS UP TO YOU  IF IM UP IN UNITS I DON'T PROGRESS ON LOSSES .BUT YOU HAVE TO TEST AND SEE FOR YOUR SELF ITS INTERESTING BECAUSE IF YOU LIKE PROGRESSION THE BREAK EVEN SAVES ALOT ON PROGRESSION IF YOU NO WHAT I MEAN.ALL THE BEST JHM. PS IM STILL NOT GETTING RESULTS FROM ANYONE I JUST WANT TO NO IF YOU GUYS ARE GETTING GOOD RESULTS OR NOT.

Tino,

You say you some times have to wait 6 times before you play, why is that, is there a trigger? I thought when line 1, 3 or 5 was last hit, just bet those 3. And when line 2, 4 or 6 was hit bet those three. So why wait 6 times?

Thank you my friend.

Hello TINO,

posted by VLS
Hello guys. Today I will share a betting selection for the even chances. It is NOT continuous play, so it keeps me relaxed and helps in the decision-making process of leaving the table or risking more units easier, without any rushing since there is at least one spin between bets. It helps psychologically and it works for me. I have skipped plenty of zeroes using this. Let's get into it.

YES1NO1 charting is easy. Just write 6 lines, one for each even chance:
   Red:
Black:
Even:
  Odd:
  1-18:
19-36:

As the name implies, you will be tracking if the last series was a series of 1 (Y) or if it was a series of 2+ (N).

So let's say this comes:

RED (Y) BLACK (Y) RED RED (N) BLACK (Y) RED (Y) BLACK BLACK BLACK (N) RED (Y)

It gets tracked as:
RED:YNYY
BLACK:YYN

As you can see it is a really simple tracking. You just track if it was a series of 1 or if not, hence the "YES1NO1" name.
____________________

Let's take a look at the very last registry of YES1NO1, real casino table:

   Red: YYNNYYNYYNNNYNNY
Black: NNNYNNNYYNYYYNNYN
Even: NNNNYYNNYNNYYYNNNN
  Odd: NNNYNYYYYNYNNNNYYY
  1-18: NNYNNNYNYYYNNNNY
19-36: NYNNNNNNYNYNYNYNN

That was a relatively short session.

I have found the best Strategy with this is to play "Follow the last".

When using it NYNY = LLL, also YNYN = LLL.

I also have a personal tracking of my winning/losing decisions ( Lw streaks registry).

I usually like to stop at LLL, then I start looking for which of the chances is getting the most Y's or N's in a row, then I make a "virtual" bet there.

Virtual bet = I say to myself: next is a "N", or next is a "Y". If I "lose" this virtual bet, then I just saved myself from a loss and add to my personal Lw registry: LLL(L. I will keep on "Playing virtual" till a win. Then LLL(LLw) <- I stop virtual play and start real betting.

When I'm back to real betting, I resume playing as usual, but this time I will resist only two consecutive losses. LLL(LLw)LL <- Stop here and go "Virtual" again. If I see fit, I will wait till two consecutive won bets using the "Virtual play" technique. It saves me from the long series of L's.

Can we apply your 1 3 5 and 2 4 6 line bet using the above system posted by Victor? Instead of Red/Black we substitute with your lines. I remember Charles did mentioned about looking for a bet within a bet. By doing so we should be able to trap the chop and the series. Please correct me if I am wrong. I strongly believe we can achieve some positive results if we pursue in this direction.

Regards

sniper

JHM  WHEN I WAS WAITING 6 SPINS IT WAS ONLY WHEN PLAYING ONE TABLE.CHEERS

SNIPER FOR FOR ME THATS TO MUCH TRACKING  THE 2 TABLE BET 1-3-5  2-4-6 IS A NO BRAINER .NO TRACKING JUST BETTING. I NEED FEED BACK .ON RESULTS .IF EVERY ONE DID 100 SPINS IT WOULD GO FASTER .

Hello TINO,

I get what you mean. I will play for real at a B&M casino tomorrow and let you know the outcome. Sorry for being so slow to respond. The only casino I can go is out of place. I can only go during my off day which is twice a month.

Thanks & Regards

sniper

Quote from: CHARLES on April 11, 2009, 09:48:28 AM
SNIPER FOR FOR ME THATS TO MUCH TRACKING  THE 2 TABLE BET 1-3-5  2-4-6 IS A NO BRAINER .NO TRACKING JUST BETTING. I NEED FEED BACK .ON RESULTS .IF EVERY ONE DID 100 SPINS IT WOULD GO FASTER .

Tino,

I think I'm on the wrong track?

Do I understand the lines correct?

Line 1 = nr 1-6
Line 2 = nr 7-12
Line 3 = nr 13-18
Line 4 = nr 19-24
Line 5 = nr 25-30
Line 6 = nr 31-36

Hello TINO,

I made 15 units today playing 100 spins betting on two tables. I bet every spin and when zero hit, I repeat my last bet. No progression. Thanks for your system. I will try again on my next trip. All credit goes to you my friend.

Regards

sniper

THANKS SNIPER I REALLY APRICIATE THAT CHEERS TINO.

Hi everyone. Im new and came to this site in hope of finding a winning bet as I've been trying for the past 3 years. I am wrong and feel like a permanent loser. Despite everything Charles says, I don't know what else to do to increase my chances of finding a bet. I've tried countless combinations or bets without success.

He says his bet shows to lose only 6 in a row on occassion. I mean wow that is so consistent it's ridiculous, but awesome :) Good job Charles and I wish good fortune to the acetf.

So, to the bet: he says he uses runs and changes to his advantage. Also, remember when he said that if you bet 1000 per spin you can win 3000-20000 per session. This is telling us I think that he is betting on 18 nos or less cuz think about it. If for example you are betting on 24nos than this is plus 500 or minus 1000 if we bet 1000 (ex. 500 on doz1 and 500 on doz 2=1000)

I think that really narrows it down a great some if of coarse I am correct in thinking this way. He also says he usually never losses more than 2 units before being in profit (this seems like he bets on some sort of change to happen based on the movements?)

Also he says he found something that should happen more often a lot more often but doesn't. I can't get my mind off of this part. Obviously it seems like there is some movement that should happen a lot more often than doesn't and you can just bet everything but this movement.

I hope I've helped some way. I am doing my best to find a bet.

Hi Jokes...
Thank you for your input.It all helps.
I too am trying to get my head around something that happens a lot less than it should(I have been for some time now lol) and I agree with the rest of your thoughts too.
Keep putting your thoughts on here and we may get somewhere!
TSK

i believe that simply there is NOTHING that should happen more but it doesnt...because by these words its like something is happening LESS in roullete.
BUT nothing happens more or less,because if that was true,in the long run the results would NOT break even,and thats not true,in the long run results do brake even

the only thing that should happen more,mayby is that results should be more average,so in 10 results have 5 reds 5 blacks,or 123,123,123, dozens or columns,or appearence of almost all streets etc...but that is not happening always,most of the times we have hot and cold right?so we could trap the runs of "hots"
and be able to understand when the "colds"are getting hotter and quit betting the previus hots and turn our bet to "colds" which now are getting hotter.

Not sure if this is any help but just noticed that there are 2 double streets with (4x Black and 2 x Red), and only 1 double street with (4 x Red and 2 x black), all other combinations have (3 x Red and 3 x Black).

The double streets with 4B2R are 10-11-12-13-14-15 and 28-29-30-31-32-33
The double street with 4R2B is 16-17-18-19-20-21

Anyone got any idea how we can use this?

Ps keep up the good work guys, I'm really glad this thread is running again, there are some great ideas so far, let's keep positive!

ANYONE ELSE TEST THE 2 TABLE BET JUST WONDERING  CHEERS TINO.

Hello TINO,

While actually playing your system and also on testing I noticed that most loses in a row seldom exceed six. Can we capitalize on this as well? Is it possible to play this system of yours on only one table?

Thanks & Regards

sniper

SNIPER YOUR RIGHT YOU CAN PLAY THIS ON 1 TABLE THIS IS WHAT I WAS DOING IN VEGAS BUT I HAVE SEEN THIS CHOP UP TO 13 TIMES BUT AFTER 4000 SPINS  OR SO BUT IT CAN BE PLAYED ON 1 TABLE THE 2 TABLE I FIND THERE ARE BREAK EVENS SO IT SAVES ALOT OF BR.AND ITS GOOD FOR PEOPLE THAT DO NOT HAVE MUCH BR. BUT LETS SAY WHEN TRACKING THE 2 AND ONE TABLE IS AHEAD OF THE OTHER BECAUSE THERE NOT GOING TO BE SPUN AT THE SAME TIME CORRECT SO IF ONE TABLE IS AHEAD BY EX. 6 SPINS AND YOUR ON A STREAK AND YOUR IN PROFIT LETS SAY 10 POINTS THEN THERE IS NO NEED TO PLAY THE OTHER SIDE OR WAIT FOR IT TO BALANCE ITS SELF OUT JUST START OVER OR GO TO ANOTHER 2  IF YOUR CASINO HAS MORE THEN 2 ALL THE BEST TINO. 

I don't know guys.  Is there really a bet such as the one CEH is talking about?  Is it just a publicity stunt aimed at getting people interested in the ACETF?  I don't consider myself a loser.  As a matter of fact, I don't consider anyone on this forum a loser.  I've read through this whole thread and I must say that you guys have come up with every possible way this bet might work.  It leads me to believe that this guy CEH is just sitting back and laughing as we all bang our heads against the wall trying to figure out what all of his riddles mean.  In reality, they may mean nothing and he might not even play roulette!  How do we know he is not some bored rich guy just getting his kicks at the expense of others?  I don't know, I have won a lot of money playing roulette, and I don't use a "consistent bet", so to speak.  What is a "consistent bet", anyway?  Is it the same bet every spin?  Is it betting on the same thing to happen?  I've wracked my brain with this and I honestly believe that a "consistent winning bet", is a bet that wins the individual who is using it some money.  This means that it could be any number of thousands of bets or systems.  I'm lost on this one.

RPRO75 DONT BE LOST HE TALKS THE  TALKS  BUT DOES NOT WALK THE WALK RIGHT CHARLIE BROWN  O SORRY YOUR MAJESTY CHE .THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING  SOMTIMES  WE HAVE A SAYING IN THE UFC  FOR THOSE WHO DONT NO THE ULTIMATE FIGHTING CHAMPION SHIP, THE CHAMPIONS ALWAYS PUT THEIR BELT ON THE LINE FOR I FIGHT THE BEST OF THE BEST IN MY CLUB.BUT CHE WILL HIDE BEHIND HIS LITTLE WEB SIGHT  AND FOR VLS MEMBERS   THANKS FOR SHARING .YOU GUYS ARE GOOD PEOPLE KEEP SHARING I LIKE THIS FOR BECAUSE THERE IS NO SELLING OF SYSTEMS . ALL THE BEST CHE  IF YOUR READING THIS HOPE THE SOAP OPERA KEEPS YOU ENTERTAIND. REGARD UFC TINO.

Greetings to all forum members! I am new but i did my homework by reading this forum for past 2 months.  I can only say that if any virtual community can beat this devils game that it is going to be VLS! People here are friendly, always have a spare helping hand and are ready to dedicate their last breath to roulette.  That's a half job done.  Enough butkissing, let's do some bussines.   8)

Consistent winning bet (CEH bet particulary) is something that i found to be most interesting topic on this forum and i am ready to belive that it excists! Why?

1) Because holy grail for roulette is something that all of us here are trying to find so we basicly belive in it already
2) Because of idea behind the bet
3) Because of CEH's knowledge about the game
4) Because of way in which bet is presented
5) Because I simply want it to be true   :-\

In my next post I will elaborate these reasons and then try to suggest method for cracking this puzzle from hell   >:D

i dont want to sound weird,but i thougt that this thread was going to be CEH free....

there is anything you would like to know about ceh at this thread:

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/how-to-find-a-consistent-winning-roulette-bet/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/how-to-find-a-consistent-winning-roulette-bet/)

100 pages-3months research for actf bet from vls members,have  a nice reading :thumbsup:

@ Ikarianman

Well i thought that too but it seems that CEH's bet left strong impression on people and they simply can't shake it.  CEH's bet became main guide in finding consistent winning roulette bet.  This bet is like a beautifull girl who is teasing you but playing hard to get.  You lose your head and can't stop thinking about her. 

I have read that whole thread.  As far i can see it's dead for some time.  In one moment members became paranoid and formed private research groups.  In the end bofin's bet destroyed their hopes.  I had some different ideas about the bet and did not see logic in many thoughts posted there so this thread can be new beginning and new way of looking at bet.

Besides, this thread is hot because it is favourite soap opera channel for a bored millionaires.   ;D

Cheers

BTW Ikarianman are you from greece?

QuoteIn my next post I will elaborate these reasons and then try to suggest method for cracking this puzzle from hell   

Hi Mate.

Welcome to the Forum.....Good Post Cobber.

I for one will be looking forward to Your explanations.

Good On Ya Mate.

Lanky.

CEH says that he uses last spin as a trigger and that Zero is a loss. According to this, every spin reveals a trigger. He also wants us to analyse all the possible movements in the table. So, given this, I have formed an opinion regarding the movement and trigger.

For eg. let's say, 5 is spun. It is Red, Odd, and Low (ROL). If we discount zero, the next possible move would be either ROL, ROH, REL, REH, BOL, BOH, BEL, or BEH (that is there are 8 possible move).

• Now, if we just bet ROL, only uncovered numbers will be BEH (20,22,24,26,28). If we place another bet D2 (2nd Dozen), only uncovered numbers will be 26 & 28.
• Similarly, we can create different combinations for each movement.

I haven't tested my theory yet, as a result, can't say whether the result will be any consistent or not. Also, I am not very sure about the units to be bet for ROL/D2 from my example above.

This is just my thinking...

I will just agree with this..hehe :thumbsup:

Quote from: Demon of Randomness on April 14, 2009, 07:10:39 PM

This bet is like a beautifull girl who is teasing you but playing hard to get.  You lose your head and can't stop thinking about her.

Hello TINO,

How is your progress on playing 2 tables? If I am force to play on only one table, when would be the best time to place a bet? Do you think it's better to play every hand and use a slow progression like project 202 to grind? Hope you don't mind, I probably ask to many question.

Thanks & Regards

sniper

Yes, Find a bet that deals with one and each of these 3 components. Ie. A-B-C, and Voilá!!!

Cheers
/Compa

Quote from: Lanky link=topic=6627. msg47401#msg47401 date=1239747268
Hi Mate.

Welcome to the Forum. . . . . Good Post Cobber.

I for one will be looking forward to Your explanations.

Good On Ya Mate.

Lanky.

Thanx mate.  It's really great that we can count on wisdom of one of the VLS experts on this one.   :thumbsup:

Cheers Lanky a. k. a.  the Duke of Divisor

Now I'm gonna tell you why i believe we should spend (more of) our time and nerves in search for this bet.
This post is more moral booster for all members that gave up on this bet and the ones that are in doubt whether to start this quest at all, than revelation.

We believe that roulette can be beaten and that's a fact.  We are playing it.  Would you be trying to do something that's been proven to be impossible? Are you trying to grow apple tree with golden apples in your backyard? Nobody is playing roulette to lose money.  It's not proven that roulette can be beaten (as we know) but there is no solid proof that it can't.  Many players are very successful in roulette and earn nice cash.  People are usualy sceptical and distrustfull about any system that promotes itself as never-losing holy grail but yet are drawn to it.  For that we should check this one just in case, that's what are we doing in VLS anyway.

Idea behind this bet is idea of knowing and exploiting randomness.  Randomness is abstract term that yet has to be explored.  It sounds impossible to fully explore it but our task is much easier, knowing that randomness of roulette is limited to 37 (and even less) possible outcomes.  First time i came across this way of fighting the game was while testing Steve Morgans dozens and EC bets.  Random vs.  random is great example of building a wall against the attacks of randomness but in the end randomness always finds a crack in the wall.  Why? Our systems are based on something that sounds logic to ourselves.  We come up with laws and logic of the game without consulting laws of randomness.  Boy, are we surprised when randomness eats our bankroll.  This bet has reason why it works.  Reason is the the law, law is the proof.  Reason is hidden in randomness.  We should observe randomness in action in all of her forms (moves).  Randomness is our starting point, not the bet itself.  To be continued. . .

Isn't it interesting and ironic that, after all the insults and snide remarks hurled at CEH, threads like these continue to be spun off and inspired by his ideas?

NEW KEN

QuoteCheers Lanky a. k. a.  the Duke of Divisor

@Demon of Randomness


Hhahahahahahahahhaha Rotflmao.

Great sense of Humour Mate.


Lanky.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PERSON THAT GOES TO CHURCH AND PRAYS A PERSON THAT PRAYS IN A CASINO. I WILL POST IT LATER A WHAT THE HELL IM ALWAYS WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO POST THERE GREAT IDEAS HERE.SOME NOT ALL ONLY THE ONES THAT THINK THEY HAVE THE HG. AND DON'T SHARE THEIR IDEAS LOL THE ANSWER TO MY JOKE IS THE PEOPLE THAT PRAY IN A CASINO REALLY REALLY MEAN IT .

The pit boss is always saying to me, "there are seats available at the table" and I reply "It's OK I prefer to kneel"!! LOL

moccocmon good one

Quote from: Moccoman on April 15, 2009, 09:20:41 PM
The pit boss is always saying to me, "there are seats available at the table" and I reply "It's OK I prefer to kneel"!! LOL

Hhahahahahahahahah Lmao @ Moccoman........Rotflmao

Good One Mate.

Lanky.

same procedure as last year, miss sophie? here we all go again.  ;)

talking about randomness, has any of you guys read what ion saliu says about randomness? and what do you think of his ideas?

Hi everyone,

some days ago I found by accident a thread opened by the user "iboba" in rouletteforum.  net,by the name "constant winning neighbour" - He was talking about a Dutch guy visiting Croatia who apparentely was winning constantly for almost 13 nights straight in a casino over there.   It looks like that the basic principle of his bet was to play with even chances in this way:

Bet Black&Even,if either one of the two hits,bet the Red&Odd and viceversa.   FLAT BET ONLY

I tested this system with 500 hundreds spins,mainly from Dublinbet and Spielbank but It doesn't win too much.  .  It looks like that is stable though,and always (even if very very slightly) in profit.   Perhaps we should look for a bet in a bet like CEH states in his website?
It would be great if anyone could code this in RX and test it for thousands of spins

cheers

Why CEH intrigued us so much?

First of all he managed to break the chain of stereotypes which other fake holy grails had to offer.  His super bet is free,
well almost free.  It is true that on internet there are many free red haring systems from online casinos affiliates.  Oldest
systems like martingale became unholy grails for greedy punters.  CEH isn't one of them for sure, cause he turning away people from online casinos and even landbased-ones if they are not skilled players.  The price of his bet is brainstorming.  It's known fact when man puts effort into something by himself he appreciates the result more.  This specific way of presenting the bet is like a commercial for selected few.  Websites for casinos are so nice and colorful and CEH's Website is sooo ugly.  Don't judge book by it's covers.  Carnivorous plant is also colorful.  That aspect should turn away superficial people who are like crows chasing only shiny things.  Puzzle that hides the bet is obstacle for lazy, impatient people that don't want to think and learn.  Guy really knows the game.  For most members here his tips were not eureka moments.  But ask yourself: "How did you know about roulette before learning from this and other forums, from fast roulette testing software, online spin archives?".  Even after having all that modern things I learned few things on CEH's site, like useful MM method and way to look randomness.

So enough about my personal reasons for ressurecting this beauty of a thread.  Even if we don't succeed in finding consistent winning bet we will learn more about the game and maybe find CEH's bet only to prove that it is typical tanker (and also to prove that CEH is liar or luckiest son of a b. . .  on earth).  At least our curiosity will bi cured.

When i read what i wrote i look like some kind of cultist worshiper of CEH.  "Children of Charles" - most powerful gambling cult.  LOL Join me my brethren. . . .   ;D

Quote from: HansHuckebein link=topic=6627. msg47771#msg47771 date=1239870372
same procedure as last year, miss sophie? here we all go again.   ;)

talking about randomness, has any of you guys read what ion saliu says about randomness? and what do you think of his ideas?

Then it means that history is repeating.  If that is true beating the game is piece of cake.    ;D

Thanx for the tip mate, i could look into that.  I find that is very hard do define what randomness is because it is very
abstract term.  My friend physicist tells me that randomness doesn't even exists.  I recon that it is easier to find out what it does then what it is.  That is why i am gonna post later about method and type of research we should conduct here.

Cheers

Quote from: Demon of Randomness on April 16, 2009, 12:39:00 PM

When I read what I wrote I look like some kind of cultist worshiper of CEH.  "Children of Charles" - most powerful gambling cult.  LOL Join me my brethren. . . .   ;D

he's keep calling you,vls member:stupid,freake,idiot,fool,nutter,Very Lonely Sucker....on his website.What do you think about that? >:D

I've to admit that he gave us very tru,sound advises like:if you want consistenly win,you must win more than lose. .1+1=2. It's very great! ;D ;D
I'm sorry to distract you guys from the spirit of this thread

Quote from: win3milion@inmydreams.com on April 16, 2009, 12:32:01 PM
Hi everyone,

some days ago I found by accident a thread opened by the user "iboba" in rouletteforum.  net,by the name "constant winning neighbour" - He was talking about a Dutch guy visiting Croatia who apparentely was winning constantly for almost 13 nights straight in a casino over there.   It looks like that the basic principle of his bet was to play with even chances in this way:

Bet Black&Even,if either one of the two hits,bet the Red&Odd and viceversa.   FLAT BET ONLY

I tested this system with 500 hundreds spins,mainly from Dublinbet and Spielbank but It doesn't win too much.  .  It looks like that is stable though,and always (even if very very slightly) in profit.   Perhaps we should look for a bet in a bet like CEH states in his website?
It would be great if anyone could code this in RX and test it for thousands of spins

cheers

I wonder why he used black/even and red/odd?  Using black/ odd and red/even would cover more numbers. Where is the advantage? Is this what CEH meant when he wrote about "something that should happen more often but doesn't"?

You cover more winning numbers by betting R/O or B/E cause there are 10 red odds out of 18 reds,and 10 black&even out of a total of 18 blacks

there is no math solution to beat the table,because the table has not mathematical flaw...
i like to be devils advocate >:D

Now something about the method of research i propose.

If we want to be professional players (winners) we should use professional methods of research. 

1) Hypothesis
2) Collection of data
3) Data analyzing
4) Proving or disproving the hypothesis

If the hypothesis is true than next steps are

5) Finding a best way to exploit hypothesis
6) Testing
7) Conclusion

1) Hypothesis - We assume that randomness has certain law, rule, pattern, "something that happens a lot less than it should", reason behind the success of the bet.

2) Collection of data - Based on hypothesis, subject of our research should be randomness.  So only data we can gather are past results, strings of consecutive spun numbers, in short - the spins.  Remember, we are not analyzing physical characteristics of wheel, just results.  How big the data sample should be? My opinion is that CEH's example for testing  should be enough - 30 sessions (chops) of 100 spins.  "3000 spins is too small sample for serious testing!" - you say.  Sure - bigger the better (ladies would agree on this  ;) ) but, we are not testing anything (yet) just trying to figure out law/rule/pattern, second consistent winning bet should show positive bankroll at the end of almost every (29 out of 30 by CEH) session of 100 spins.  If we spot something interesting in 30 sessions it's easy to analyze 30 more to be positive but if we fail to find anything within first 30 chops then there is pointless to analyze more.  Sample must be representative as possible.  That means: REAL consecutive wheel spins and from more different wheels/casinos.  That way we are able to avoid unnatural RNG algorithms and biased wheels.  I think that dealer change during the session should not matter as long it's the same table.

And now something crucial!!! This research should be serious thus well ORGANIZED!!! We should work as a team not like group of individuals (which is common way how forums work)! We should use SAME METHOD on SAME SAMPLE in reaching SAME GOAL.  Same goal is the only thing common to all forum members (thread participents/system analyzers).  Imagine one day you walk into NASA to look how scientist work.  It just happens that they are working on new space shuttle prototype.  Every single one of them does what he thinks is the best.  One is making shuttle out of steel, the other guy out of wood, third guy's is in a shape of ball, fourth guy's looks like a plane and so on.  When someone finds something interesting colleges usually do two things.  Don't pay too much attention because it is by theirs opinion doomed on failure, inferior to progress they made, incompatible with their (closed mind) thinking.  Other group rushes to new discovery and leaves theirs own findings just to test it in it's original state but rarely tries to apply it somewhere else.  O, and there is always one guy who does nothing, usually plays with test pilot monkey (yes, he might be spanking him even   ;D ) and just waits for others to finish the project.  Productive crew? Reminds you of a certain forum maybe?

Same sample is very important thing! All of us should analyze SAME SAMPLE OF SPINS!!! Why? Randomness has many faces, but same essential, same nature.  It is much easier to notice pattern, law, run, change if we all look the same example.  Some will spot crucial things on one end, others on another end.  Combine those two and who knows, maybe eureka moment will follow.  Spins should be from "actuals/permanences" section of forum (ones provided by trusted members), posted on the same page in "easy for all to see and look" way together with tools of the game (we will together define them later when i post about data analyzing).

Be free to comment what do you think about this method, my ideas, and do you want me to continue.

Cheers 

Quote from: win3milion@inmydreams.com on April 17, 2009, 07:10:56 AM
You cover more winning numbers by betting R/O or B/E cause there are 10 red odds out of 18 reds,and 10 black&even out of a total of 18 blacks

black/even = 26numbers
black/ odd = 28 numbers

I agree demon, 3000 numbers is enough for the bet to work according to CEH so lets all look at the same sample of 3000 numbers and see what we all can see

Which sample shall we use?

OK GUYS HERE IS SOME ENTERTAIMENT FOR YOU AND CHE, CHARLES E.H IF THE GUY WOULD GIVE YOU  HIS BET  I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT ALL OF YOU WOULD FAIL WITH THE BET WHY I SAY THIS IS YOU DON'T BELIEVE, AND YOU DON'T WORK TOGETHER,1N 110 PAGES THIS SAGA CONTINUES,NOT THAT IM RELIGIOUS,BECAUSE THATS ALL BRAINWASHING.AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNERD,BUT CHRIST DID HIS SO CALLED MIRACLES AND PEOPLE 3000 YEARS LATER DO NOT BELIEVE THAT  HE DID THOSE MIRACLES.WHY BECAUSE ITS HUMAN NATURE TOBE SCEPTIC, BUT TO BE CYNICAL IS IGNORANCE,ITS THE CYNICAL IN ALL YOU GUYS THAT MAKES LIKE CHE SAYS LOSERS ,I FOR ONE HAVE TRYED THIS 2 TABLE BET MINE AND IM STILL IN PROFIT BUT ONLY ONE PERSON  THATS SNIPER TESTED IT, ALL YOU OTHER GUYS FAILED TO EVEN GIVE IT A SHOT THATS THE PROBLEM YOU EXPECT MIRACLES OR SOME ONE TO DO THE WORK FOR YOU. 2000 SPINS IM STILL IN PROFIT IS THIS  CHE BET I DON'T GIVE A sh*t IT WORKS IM MAKING MONEY  VIPER COMES OUT OF NO WHERE AND EVERY ONE FLOCKED TO THE GUY WITH HIS BOW AND ARROW STRATAGIE  EVERY ONE SAYING THERE SORRY AND ALL THIS OTHER BULLSHIT,KISSING HIS ASS BECAUSE THEY THINK HE HAD THE HG  AND IN THE END IT WAS A SECTOR SHOOTING STRATAGIE,THERE IS NOTHING NEW IN THIS GAME ,AND WHEN SOME HAVE SOMETHING THEY DON'T SHARE ,DON,T NO WHY ITS BEYOND ME,IM NOT LOOKING FOR A FAN CLUB HERE BECAUSE IN 100 YEARS THIS WONT MATTER BUT UNTILL PEOPLE HERE GET TOGETHER AND WORK ON ONE BET AT A TIME AND TEST THE BET  WE WONT GET ANY WHERE.

Charles, if you can read the forums and manage to ignore the idiots you will see that what is left is a few good people who are not sceptical or cynical and are trying to work together to find a way to profit from roulette. We cant stop the idiots but they cant stop us, our search will go on, are you with us?

Quote from: rouletteplay link=topic=6627. msg48063#msg48063 date=1239985847
I agree demon, 3000 numbers is enough for the bet to work according to CEH so lets all look at the same sample of 3000 numbers and see what we all can see

Which sample shall we use?

Good to hear you agree mate! Welcome to the team! Don't be in a hurry friend.  Picking numbers is the easiest part.
If we post random numbers now in their basic state (7 15 9 33 33 26 . . . ) we won't find nothing.  We first must categorize them, give them new meaning in streams of randomness, show them as easy moves to track.  We will do that with the help of tools of the game (which are presented in table layout).  First we all must agree which tools (categories) and which combinations of tools are most useful to use.  I will elaborate later.

Oh and friend if you have spare time you can test Tino's bet which is on page 5, post #65 of this thread.
I think that consistent winning bet should look similar.  I would like to find why it does so well by studying randomness first.  There has to me some reason.

Cheers   

Quote from: CHARLES link=topic=6627. msg48073#msg48073 date=1239987204
OK GUYS HERE IS SOME ENTERTAIMENT FOR YOU AND CHE, CHARLES E. H IF THE GUY WOULD GIVE YOU  HIS BET  I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT ALL OF YOU WOULD FAIL WITH THE BET WHY I SAY THIS IS YOU DON'T BELIEVE, AND YOU DON'T WORK TOGETHER,1N 110 PAGES THIS SAGA CONTINUES,NOT THAT IM RELIGIOUS,BECAUSE THATS ALL BRAINWASHING. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNERD,BUT CHRIST DID HIS SO CALLED MIRACLES AND PEOPLE 3000 YEARS LATER DO NOT BELIEVE THAT  HE DID THOSE MIRACLES. WHY BECAUSE ITS HUMAN NATURE TOBE SCEPTIC, BUT TO BE CYNICAL IS IGNORANCE,ITS THE CYNICAL IN ALL YOU GUYS THAT MAKES LIKE CHE SAYS LOSERS ,I FOR ONE HAVE TRYED THIS 2 TABLE BET MINE AND IM STILL IN PROFIT BUT ONLY ONE PERSON  THATS SNIPER TESTED IT, ALL YOU OTHER GUYS FAILED TO EVEN GIVE IT A SHOT THATS THE PROBLEM YOU EXPECT MIRACLES OR SOME ONE TO DO THE WORK FOR YOU.  2000 SPINS IM STILL IN PROFIT IS CHE BET I DON'T GIVE A sh*t IT WORKS IM MAKING MONEY  VIPER COMES OUT OF NO WHERE AND EVERY ONE FLOCKED TO THE GUY WITH HIS BOW AND ARROW STRATAGIE  EVERY ONE SAYING THERE SORRY AND ALL THIS OTHER BULLSHIT,KISSING HIS ASS BECAUSE THEY THINK HE HAD THE HG  AND IN THE END IT WAS A SECTOR SHOOTING STRATAGIE,THERE IS NOTHING NEW IN THIS GAME ,AND WHEN SOME HAVE SOMETHING THEY DON'T SHARE ,DON,T NO WHY ITS BEYOND ME,IM NOT LOOKING FOR A FAN CLUB HERE BECAUSE IN 100 YEARS THIS WONT MATTER BUT UNTILL PEOPLE HERE GET TOGETHER AND WORK ON ONE BET AT A TIME AND TEST THE BET  WE WONT GET ANY WHERE.

Hi Tino! I see that you agree with my conclusion that people on this forum are bad organized and very often pay attention only to systems that are praised to be holy grails (only by authors in most cases).  On the other hand same people stay blind for good systems and original ideas.  I think that you have something good there and that your system is unfairly underestimated.  I checked your system earlier, not tested it , just analyzed.  Your system drown my attention because it is very similar to my experimental systems for CEH's bet (difference is that i only used 1 table).  [smiley=thumbsup. gif] For me personally playing on 2 tables concept was a little hard to grasp at first, but i am open for it because it has great potential.  Only thing that bothered me was lack of explanation why that particular bet you used.  Once you answered that those lines work for you because you tested them on 2000 spins.  I would like to see further explanation because, well i guess i am just kind of guy that likes logic/reasons in systems.  I will try to fit your system in conclusions i make from analyzing randomness (if i ever find one). 

You and Sniper have my full support on testing this baby and i will recommend it to all idle, lazy and skeptical members on this thread.  Best regards Tino and stay great fighter, don't ever give up!!!

Hi Demon,

Great post. The point is, though, that you don't need to test 30 sessions of 100 spins (well not yet anyway).

What initially needs to be done is to examine just 100 spins to see what happens with "movements" randomness and "runs and changes" by coding each of the 100 spins.

CEH has said that only 1 in 30 should fail so there is only 3.33% chance of picking the bad session. I would take that risk.

Only after putting forward the variables of that 100 spin session, should testing go to the next step of the 30 sessions. Then when a variable fails (say) 3 in the first 5 sessions, it is abandoned and the next one is tested until failure, or otherwise.

If it doesn't fail over the 30 sessions then booya!!, the real testing begins.

Regards
Mocco

I agree.Lets just select our spins and start testing
TSK

@Demon of Randomness
Welcome aboard, and Kudos for organizional skills.(and zealousness) :thumbsup:
It's good to see people honestly and seriously working on this. The creme is rising to the top :)
@Tino
Am testing. I told you, very interesting.

Step 1. Look at the movements on the board
           -look for something that should happen more, but doesn't
Step 2. Corralate with oddities on the board.
Step 3. Look for no win/ no lose bet.
Step 4. Look for a "bet within that bet"
Step 5. Look for consistant loser that can be turned around into
            a consistant winner.(not all bets can be reversed)
Step 6. Tweak for profitability?
- I don't think he is giving clues to an exact bet. He is giving clues to find A consistant winning bet. (your own) Most likely any one of the four.
-though he says you won't find his.
Anyway, happy to help if I can
BTW. I could be wrong about the steps but, it's my perception of things

Hi charles
I lost my numbers for my last test!!
Just got back from casino(Its 00:42 here) and played again.
I won 15 units in 100 spins playing one table.
Hope this helps
TSK

demon the only logic explanation I can give on that bet selection that I tested it before I went to vegas last year I added the second table because I did not like to wait to long before going in at least 4 chops before I went in because the worst I have seen this bet lose is 13 chops on  spielbank then the other thought I had was that people win casino money but then there are others that lose so casinos are going back and forth in the win lose situation and at the end of the the day there always in profit so my thinking was use two tables, with this bet only because I tested it and no how many times it loses in the time I tested it,and also there is a break even situation ,where I don't win or lose.it goes back and forth like coin toss .and when im in profit which 10 units for me is good I get out regards Tino.ps. I could be way off on this but so far its good.   spider are you using progression with one table beacause on all my tests on it would lose flat betting thats why i added the second table so if i did use a mild progresssion i would still win  but im winning with flat bet ony i could be just lucky but its working .

Hello TINO,

Congratulation on your winning!!!
Despite what others think or say, we will support you 100% and will continue testing your 2 tables method. Like what I told you earlier I can only go to the B&M casino twice a month. Despite the setback I will still play your system on each trip and will report back to you. I strongly believe there is something good playing this system of yours.

Thanks & Regards

sniper

Hi Tino,

There is nothing bad with your idea, but I not tested, because I can't see the reason why can win in long term when I play one random outcome against the other one.

Demon,

You said we can't found our hypothesis when we looking at the regular series of numbers.
So the first thing to convert this series to much more effecient shape?
That is the series what the wheel give us.
The table automaticly assign color,even,dozen,street, etc. to this numbers.
Can be good this thing to categorize and track the numbers?

ernesto

for whom mayby interested-new page at win3million-page 20

Quote from: Moccoman on April 17, 2009, 07:05:55 PM
Hi Demon,

Great post. The point is, though, that you don't need to test 30 sessions of 100 spins (well not yet anyway).

What initially needs to be done is to examine just 100 spins to see what happens with "movements" randomness and "runs and changes" by coding each of the 100 spins.

CEH has said that only 1 in 30 should fail so there is only 3.33% chance of picking the bad session. I would take that risk.

Only after putting forward the variables of that 100 spin session, should testing go to the next step of the 30 sessions. Then when a variable fails (say) 3 in the first 5 sessions, it is abandoned and the next one is tested until failure, or otherwise.

If it doesn't fail over the 30 sessions then booya!!, the real testing begins.

Regards
Mocco

Thanx mate. Glad to have you on the project!
I agree with you. We should first use 1, maximum 2 samples. They should serve as dummy samples for examples of our coding. Categorizing/coding numbers will show us something only when we fully research RELATIONS between categories. At first it could be wrong or presented in a way which is hard to understand so it's the best way to exercise on dummy samples. As i see it, that 1 out of 30 sessions fails to show positive bankroll because zero is repeating more than usual. And zero is our biggest enemy because it can't be categorized.

Cheers  :thumbsup:   

Quote from: HansHuckebein link=topic=6627. msg48059#msg48059 date=1239985132
black/even = 26numbers
black/ odd = 28 numbers

From an overall point of view It's correct, but you have MORE winning numbers betting black/even. . for winning numbers I mean those that are both black and even.  Same thing for Red/Odd

Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on April 17, 2009, 07:11:16 PM
I agree.Lets just select our spins and start testing
The Spiders Kiss

Hi Spiders Kiss, good to have one more veteran member on this!

I see you are eager to test but we shouldn't rush. We don't have deadlines. Casinos won't close anytime soon (except if we don't find holy grail  ;) ). I understand you, cause testing can be addiction even worst than actual gambling. Your bankroll limits your gambling but you can test day and night for free. One day i got tired of blind testing. I caught myself trying different bets, picking them randomly (with no logic of choice), in hope that i will stumble upon HG. I used to change them if they failed to show profit in first 10 or 15 spins (what a reliable testing sample, huh?). Pure waste of time and energy! I decided to stop with TRIAL AND ERROR method and start brainstorming first. Brain + pen and paper rules!

We should first spend time and energy in finding tools of the game. Even CEH said that we should know as much as possible about the game. Goal is to first to list all tools (from EC to splits), default versions and engineered ones, and find RELATIONS between them. It's not an easy job but also it's not endless. We should then organize them all in one neat and tidy, easy to look and think, post (demonstration of tools).

>:D IT HAS ONLY BEGUN!!!  >:D 

Cheers

OK GUYS WHO WOULD AGREE THAT THE EVEN BETS REAPEAT WAY MORE THE THE DOZEN BETS NOW IF HE WOULD BET 1000 UNITS TO WIN 3OOO UNITS ,AND WIN 20000 IN A SESSION THIS IS WHAT HE HAD POSTED ON PAGE 19 ITS NO LONGER THERE NOW HE TOOK IT OFF. BUT TO ME THIS WOULD BE A 12 NUMBER BET THATS THE DOZEN BETTING AREA FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T NO,YOU WOULD SEE EVEN BETTING AREA EXAMPLE TAKE RED COLOR VERY EASY 28 IN A ROW CORRECT ,SAME GOES FOR OTHER EVEN CHANCES.6 IN A ROW ON OCCASION HIS BET LOSSES TO ME WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DOZENS SURE YOU WILL SEE SOME TIMES 5 OR 6 OR 8 IN A ROW BUT IF YOU LOOK AT 1 MILLION SPINS THE EVEN CHANCE WILL KICK THERE ASS ANY TIME CORRECT.NOW LETS OBSERVE THE FIRST DOZEN WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE WHEEL  THE 5 AND THE 10 ARE THE ONLY NUMBERS TOGETHER. THE OTHER 2 DOZENS THERE ARE WAY MORE NUMBERS TOGETHER,SO  WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN MORE OFTEN , WHEN LOOKING AT RESULTS JUST OBSERVE THE FIRST DOZEN AN SEE HOW MANY TIMES YOU WILL SEE 6 IN A ROW IN 100 SPINS WELL I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW NOT THAT OFTEN  THE OTHER 2 IS KICK ING ITS ASS .BUT IM NOT SURE HOW TO PUT THIS TOGETHER YET.IM JUST OBSERVING IT RIGHT NOW THERE ARE ALOT OF RUNS IN THE 2ND AND 3RD DOZEN AND LOOK HOW OFTEN AFTER LETS SAY 2-3OR4 IN A ROW THAT A DOZEN COMES IN AND IT CHANGES AND SEE IN 100 SPINS HOW IT BEHAVES.PS HE NEVER USES MORE THEN 2 UNITS BEFORE BEING IN PROFIT THINK ABOUT IT 12 NUMBERS LOSE THE FIRST WIN ON THE SECOND PROFIT ONE UNIT.

Not to be a killjoy, but this thread will be another fruitless 100-pager if you don't drop this obsession with Charles. I've just read page 19 of win3million.com for the first time. It is a tirade of absolute nonsense more indicative of a total lunatic than a disciplined professional of any sort. Realise that this Charles-man has delusional schizophrenia. His claims are absurd. His rants more so. Get over him and start thinking for yourselves.

NUMBER SIX WE ARE ALL IN A DREAM STATE AND UNTIL YOU BECOME AWARE THAT YOUR DREAMING THERE IS NO HOPE FOR ANY OF US .

Quote from: CHARLES
NUMBER SIX WE ARE ALL IN A DREAM STATE AND UNTIL YOU BECOME AWARE THAT YOUR DREAMING THERE IS NO HOPE FOR ANY OF US .

Charles,

I hope you know I'm not talking about you...unless you're Charles Edwank Hampshire...?

Quote from: LL Church on April 17, 2009, 07:34:54 PM
@Demon of Randomness
Welcome aboard, and Kudos for organizional skills.(and zealousness) :thumbsup:
It's good to see people honestly and seriously working on this. The creme is rising to the top :)
@Tino
Am testing. I told you, very interesting.

Step 1. Look at the movements on the board
           -look for something that should happen more, but doesn't
Step 2. Corralate with oddities on the board.
Step 3. Look for no win/ no lose bet.
Step 4. Look for a "bet within that bet"
Step 5. Look for consistant loser that can be turned around into
            a consistant winner.(not all bets can be reversed)
Step 6. Tweak for profitability?
- I don't think he is giving clues to an exact bet. He is giving clues to find A consistant winning bet. (your own) Most likely any one of the four.
-though he says you won't find his.
Anyway, happy to help if I can
BTW. I could be wrong about the steps but, it's my perception of things

Thank you on warm welcome friend! Your help on this is more than apprecieted.

Your perception on steps in finding CEH's bet looks good. It corresponds with commonsense and with way in which clues are presented. BUT WE NEVER, EVER, EVER MUST TAKE THIS PUZZLE/CEH'S BET AS OUR HOLY BIBLE!

Only dogma and thus certain starting point from CEH's bet that we should relay on is that ANSWER OF BEATING ROULETTE LIES IN FINDING THAT ONE (OR MORE) RELIABLE THING(S) THAT RANDOMNESS DOES. Why? Because randomness is something that existed before CEH and will exist after. Also CEH pointed out some facts (that we can see with our very eyes) about uneveness of the table that we can relay on. CEH's bet can help us but it also can limit us, deceive us (accidentally or on purpose). For example, CEH's term "TRAP" is something that i would (at first) describe as static bet, always the same (re-bet button). Have you ever seen hunter who runs with bear-trap and tries to throw it on bear? No, he puts the trap on one place, hides and WAITS. Word for "TRAP" should be LASSO or something cause by CEH we always throws bet on place where last spun number shows us.

But, we must not stay blind for useful tips we can find in CEH's site so i propose we should make shorter version of puzzle with only clues and tips that matter (from all 20 pages we can make 1 useful page top, others are blog bullsh*t). We could then post it here marked as MANUAL and point that it shouldn't be taken for granted. If you are willing and have time you could be the maker of MANUAL (manual worker  ;D ).

Cheers  :thumbsup:       

Quote from: Demon of Randomness on April 17, 2009, 02:53:23 PM
Good to hear you agree mate! Welcome to the team! Don't be in a hurry friend.  Picking numbers is the easiest part.

Hi Demon,
How about start from the easy part?
I mean start collecting numbers from spielbank casino in order to create a database of 3000 spins, 100 spins from 30 different tables and dates?

demon of radomness che said the numrical results are to confusing this is how the bet was found  quote: try letter coding  remanufactured bet just his quotes. so i dont understand numrical results are to confusing do you no what he means by this.

And now some very important stuff about tools of the trade.Tools of the trade are given in table layout thus in rules of the game. Why i call them tools? It's because they have many functions so they are like some kind of multitools, they don't have just one purpose.

TOOLS are: EVEN CHANCES (BLACK/RED, EVEN/ODD, HI/LOW), DOZENS, COLUMNS,
DOUBLE STREETS (LINES), CORNERS, STREETS, SPLITS.

Observing (looking). If we just look randomness represented by strings of plain numbers we find it very hard to spot some pattern using just our eyes . Then we usualy reach for help of a microscope. Our microscope is our full attention. Things look more clearly and now we can spot that some numebers are repeating and that some numbers didn't show up. But that is not enough. Now we need LENSES to mount on our microscope. LENSES are TOOLS.

Example:

plain numbers - 18 32 36 4 31 13 21

plain numbers with mounted black/red lense - R R R B B R 

Now we can easily spot a pattern but we don't have a clue how to use it. I think that KEY IS IN COMBINING DIFFERENT LENSES TO SPOT PATTERNS, RUNS, CHANGES, LAWS (CALL THEM AS YOU LIKE) IN RANDOMNESS.

Defining (coding) numbers - it's basicly the same thing but looked from different angle. We define things by categorizing them. Aristotle used 10 categories to define all things in world around him. CATEGORIES ARE TOOLS. They show color of number, is it even or odd, small or big, and his (more or less precise) location on table. By comparing numbers we can see that some are more similar then others. The more same categories 2 numbers share the more they are similar. 4 and 6 for example. That could also help us in constructing the bet.

Coding numbers/lenses mounting should be represented by symbols (maybe even by colors) for easier analyzing. Best and maybe most natural symbols are letters (with maybe numbers added).

red     -   R
black   -   B
even    -   E
odd     -   O
hi      -   H
low     -   L
dozens  - d1, d2, d3
columns - c1, c2, c3
lines   - ?

Things get more complicated, don't they?

I THINK THAT KEY IS IN CHOOSING ONLY RELEVANT TOOLS/LENSES/CATEGORIES AND PROPER USE OF SYMBOLS.

We should also work on RELATIONS BETWEEN TOOLS, DEFAULT AND ENGENEERED TOOLS...

.......I just read CEH page20. He says that you are right on track Demon  :thumbsup:





He also says to go private with this because it's no good that " the bett " or an other consistent winning bett becomes publicly know....... just think about it.......



I must say that I agree with CEH  ;)



Perhaps starts an private study group like last time?





Carlitos 8)

Hi Demon
I tried something similar to this a while ago ,but without gang effort ,so I didnt get very far however my point is...I put D1,C1 etc and boy is it hard to scan and find differences or consistents using this method they all blend into one after a while.
I like your suggestion of using colours and think this will help us to find the type of thing we are looking for.
After all we have to give ourselves as much chance as possible to "see the tree for the wood" .
I for one would hate to miss it!!!
regards
TSK

hello all.
general talking most of us have played roulette for real money.whatever system we play can be very good or very  bad. because i believe that system doesnt matters really.what i know really matters-that are some very serius mistakes i do and probably many of us here trying to solve these mistakes by finding a holy grail.
simply mayby the holy grail is know when to QUIT your session.why i say this?
because in most of my lossing sessions when i was on progressions and after 4-5  loses i knew that i will continue to lose but i continued to bet-and when u have that feeling and fear ,its 99,99 %that u will continue to lose, so stop betting then.
why dont just step out of the game when you know numbers dont like you anymore?its so simple.if for example you started with 50 units and went up to 150 and then have a quick fall to 80 units thats a sign that u will lose you underware,stop at 80 units and be satisfied with this.
i think that the consistent winning bet is not based  on a system or anything else than your attitude.and dicipline is mayby the hardest part to win

Quote from: ikarianman on April 19, 2009, 06:26:38 AM
hello all.
general talking most of us have played roulette for real money.whatever system we play can be very good or very  bad. because I believe that system doesn't matters really.what I know really matters-that are some very serius mistakes I do and probably many of us here trying to solve these mistakes by finding a holy grail.
simply mayby the holy grail is know when to QUIT your session.why I say this?
because in most of my lossing sessions when I was on progressions and after 4-5  loses I knew that I will continue to lose but I continued to bet-and when u have that feeling and fear ,its 99,99 %that u will continue to lose, so stop betting then.
why dont just step out of the game when you know numbers dont like you anymore?its so simple.if for example you started with 50 units and went up to 150 and then have a quick fall to 80 units thats a sign that u will lose you underware,stop at 80 units and be satisfied with this.
I think that the consistent winning bet is not based  on a system or anything else than your attitude.and dicipline is mayby the hardest part to win

Hi
I have to say I agree with Ikarian man...up to a point.
There is no point having a consistent winning bet and then giving it all back on the bad streaks..but I dont think that thats is it in total
Gunslinger

Hi Spiders Kiss,

When coding I put each component into 12 columns - R/B, O/E, H/L, with the columns A B and C and the Dozens A B and C, a separate column for each one.

If you do this in excel you can then hide various aspects and see whether there is any relationship between some or all of the columns you have created.

It is must easier to see the components this way, rather than colours or with coding as D1, D2, D3 etc, as you are right it would do your head in!!

Regards
Mocco

I don't believe there is a consistent winning bet, I believe, as CEH says, there is a consistent winning formula that can make a small but stable profit only to a kind of people called "professional roulette players".
The really hard think is to become one of them.
That's why I don't believe that publishing a good bet will make all the forum members rich.
Most people wants a system like "put 2 units on red, 1 unit on 1st dozen 1 unit on 2nd street and when you double your bankroll go home".
Perhaps a consistent winning bet is already published in this forum but we don't know it because "it's not so simple" or "it needs a lot of testing".
So finding a consistent winning bet is the very first step and we must be organized in order to find one.
Good hunting!

*****Perhaps a consistent winning bet is already published in this forum but we don't know it because "it's not so simple" or "it needs a lot of testing".
So finding a consistent winning bet is the very first step and we must be organized in order to find one.
Good hunting! ******ZEUS


......OR the winning bet has already been published but it looked  too simple and it was  OVERLOOKED..

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

Hi demon,

great posts man :thumbsup: I agree about using the "tools" that the table provides us like you said and I think the right ones have to be the engineered ones above all(like you mentioned ) - After all CEH says since the very beginning to pay attention at the all the un-conventional moves that can happen on the table.  .  .  we should try to combine all the odd things regarding the layout of the roulette tables with these unconventional tools.   This would help us converging toward a range of combinations that would give us the highest possibilites of trapping more winning numbers then loser ones - we could then focus only on this range of combinations and study them.  

Quote from: Number Six link=topic=6627. msg48241#msg48241 date=1240060421
Not to be a killjoy, but this thread will be another fruitless 100-pager if you don't drop this obsession with Charles.  I've just read page 19 of win3million. com for the first time.  It is a tirade of absolute nonsense more indicative of a total lunatic than a disciplined professional of any sort.  Realise that this Charles-man has delusional schizophrenia.  His claims are absurd.  His rants more so.  Get over him and start thinking for yourselves. 

Hi number six,

I agree that in page 19 he sounds really mad but I can tell you that if you read all the other pages you will find that the contents are full of rationallity and common sense - even without the "constant winning bet" subject that site has a lot of usefull infos,I must say it. . at least for me.

cheers

Well, well, well, things are getting very interesting. Frankly i am not surprised.  8)
It looks like CEH's spotlight shines upon me now. Interesting, they have spotlights in circuses. Circuses are only sanctuaries for "freaks". Interesting...

Now i have something to ask Charles Edward Hampshire for the first time:

What will exactly happen if this bet gets published on VLS? What are exact consequences of a genuine profitable bet becoming public? How can this change future? I would like to see detailed and well elaborated answer on your website.
I would also like to see answer written in green letters (cause green is color of tranquility thus the nature) , without CAPS LOCK and those suffice """quotation marks""". Convince me Charlie in power of such bet!

Yours truly,
Demon of Randomness   

DEMON OF RADOMNESS IM LIKEING YOU  MORE AND MORE ,THE GREEN OF TRANQUILITY I THINK THIS WAY ALOT AND WHITE IS THE ULTMATE LIGHT CHEERS

Quote from: Demon of Randomness on April 19, 2009, 09:24:52 AM
Well, well, well, things are getting very interesting. Frankly I am not surprised.  8)
It looks like CEH's spotlight shines upon me now. Interesting, they have spotlights in circuses. Circuses are only sanctuaries for "freaks". Interesting...

Now I have something to ask Charles Edward Hampshire for the first time:

What will exactly happen if this bet gets published on VLS? What are exact consequences of a genuine profitable bet becoming public? How can this change future? I would like to see detailed and well elaborated answer on your website.
I would also like to see answer written in green letters (cause green is color of tranquility thus the nature) , without CAPS LOCK and those suffice """quotation marks""". Convince me Charlie in power of such bet!

Yours truly,
Demon of Randomness  

That may have been the worst move you could have made, Demon.
Good luck, I'm out
LL Church out

PS. Yes, I strongly, believed Charles intended to help.

Reasons For Not Publishing a Consistant Winning Bet

1. System sellers get a hold of it.

2. People who did not put forth the effort, get a hold
    of it

3. In the "looking for the bet" people who succeed learn
   the proffessionalism to use it.

4. Casino's see it and anyone using said bet or formula
   would be banned.
   - if what Charles says is true, that would be
     catastrophic for his organization and the
          work they are doing.
       -also means WE would easily be spotted and banned using it.
5. Cats and dogs would be living together.(ok, I made that one up)

In short, NOT a good idea.
-LL Church out :thumbsup:

Nothing wrong with that LL Church. It says on the CEH website that one can ask questions here on this forum but CEH will only answer then on his site.




But you are right on the bet being published here or anywere else on the Internet.




Not an good thing to do......




Carlitos  8)

Oeps..... there you had your 15 minutes of fame Demon........






Carlitos  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Carlitos on April 19, 2009, 11:33:43 AM
Nothing wrong with that LL Church. It says on the CEH website that one can ask questions here on this forum but CEH will only answer then on his site.




But you are right on the bet being published here or anywere else on the Internet.






Carlitos  8)

Now, he may be a little less willing.

IF THE BET CAN 't BE PUBLISHED HERE OR ON THE INTERNET ,IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS MOTIVE ,CASINOS ARE NOT SCARED OF THIS,  WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING THIS THREAD IF WERE HERE TOGETHER TO FIND THIS WILD GOOSE CHASE OF A BET ,EVEN IF ANYONE HERE IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK HE'S NOT GOING TO SAY HEY YOU GOT IT ! HE DOES NOT WANT THIS, CONFUSION  IS THE SEED OF CHE ,AS LONG AS THIS REMAINS AN OPEN THREAD HE WILL NOT HELP ANYONE HERE THAT MY FREINDS IS FOR SURE.YOU CAN FORM GROUPS AND IT WILL REMAIN A FORMED GROUP HE WILL NOT HELP ANYONE . THIS IS MY LAST POST HERE GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE 113 PAGES WE KICKED YOUR ASS CHARLES EDWARD HAMSHIRE YOU ONLY HAVE 20 HA HA HA  LOL. ALL THE BEST TINO,PS: WINWITHMATH IS THE MAN TO LISTEN TO AT LEAST HE HAS ENERGY AS A TEACHER.

Quote from: zeus link=topic=6627. msg40763#msg40763 date=1235342362
CEH is going to publish a bet, but not the ACETF bet.

"I HAVE SPOTTED WHAT MAY BE A COUPLE OF DECENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE "WANDERED" BY MISTAKE INTO VLS.  FOR YOU GUYS PLEASE WATCH THIS WEBSITE.

I WILL ACTUALLY PUBLISH SOON A GOOD FLAT BET THAT IS SUITABLE FOR PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS ONLY.  I MUST OF COURSE WAIT UNTIL ALL THE DELUDED HAVE FINISHED HANGING THEMSELVES.
(NOT THE ACETF BET)

IT IS BETTER THAN ANY BET YOU WILL EVER SEE ON ANY FORUM.  IT IS BETTER THAN ANY BET EVER SOLD BY ANY SCAMMER.  I DID USE IT MYSELF IN THE EARLY DAYS AND GENUINELY MADE A REASONABLE PROFIT.

SO THERE YOU HAVE IT.  POOR OLD CHARLIE IS GOING TO PUT HIS HEAD ON THE LINE.  YOU WILL THEN REALIZE YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE "READ" THIS SITE CORRECTLY WITHOUT PUTTING "INTERPRETATIONS" ON REAL FACTS AND GOOD CLUES.

IF YOU WISH TO USE THIS BET I SUGGEST YOU READ-UP ON PAGE 7.   YOU WILL NEED TO APPLY "STRATEGY" TO THIS BET
I WILL EXPLAIN ALL IN FULL.   BUT I DO EXPECT THE OTHER IDIOTS TO GET IT WRONG AND OF COURSE LOSE. "

CEH is a liar,he didn't publish a good flat bet as he said  ;D

Good point Boffinteammember  :thumbsup:




LL Church, it clearly says on his website one could ask questions and he would reply on his website.




Carlitos  8)

I believe he said he would only answere questions he deamed appropiate.

Look at this.
We finally had a couple of pages of constructive dialog and studying. What happens? The crap that filled the last thread shows up.
That is why we had a 110 pages of nothing.
So many pages going nowhere BECAUSE of all the CRAP filler.
If anyone REALLY, I MEAN REALLY wants to find a bet that is consistant, let me know.
As for the detractors, there is a thread in the PIT for that purpose.
Have fun there.
BTW. @tino. Winwithmath? Are you serious? By the time he gets around to any point whatsoever, I will be long dead, my children, my grandchildren, well, you get the point.

Just an idea I'm tossing out there.
Has anyone tried reverse engeniering the bet(s).

Hi Charles
Sorry for the long time reply mate but Im away from home at the moment.
Yes I was flat betting with no progressions at all in the 100 spins.
However....I did get off to a flier with 14 straight wins which I guess is a bit exceptional!
regards
TSK

HI Demon of Randomness,

what do you think about Boffinsden's Bet?


PH

CEH talks about finding consistent losing bet and then reverse those bets. He also talks about the fact that not all bets are reversible.

So, what bets are reversible? Split, Single Street, Corner, Double Street bets, in my opinion, are not reversible. The only reversible bets that I can think of are the EC ones. I maybe completety off track.

ozshabs

Hello TINO,

Sorry to hear that you are getting out of this post. By the way, thanks for showing us your two tables betting method. And thanks for your guide all this while regarding this subject. I'll continue to pursue as I strongly believe you have already shown as the right track. The point here is not whether we find CEH bet or not. The most important thing I believe is to find OUR consistent winning roulette bet.

Regards

sniper

Church, I am serious about finding a consistent bet, please count me in. Hopefully we can filter out the negative posters and form a small group who are genuine

Church, count me in too. 

Hi all VLS forum members

I've just started playing roulette for a couple of months and am really trilled to see the vast amount of veterans and experts of roulette in this forum.  To top it up, all the members are so friendly and helpful to one another!

Anyway just a suggestion to finding a consistent bet.  I dont know whether anyone has tried this before.  Since the payout is 35-1, why not bet a total of 34 numbers on the roulette table.  That way, one could win one unit if it wins.  A lost would meant that 34 units are lost.  It may sound foolish to risk such a big BR for a single chip but if ur happy with 1-2 units per day, this might help. . .  Just a thought. . .  sorry if it sounds ridiculous VLS members

Etteluor, welcome aboard  :thumbsup:

QuoteTo top it up, all the members are so friendly and helpful to one another! 

.............. sometimes they are.... but not always.




Carlitos  8)

hi Carlitos!

Thanks for welcoming in here.  Yeah not all people are the same but there are a couple here that are real helpful.  like See_jerek for example   :thumbsup:

HI Etteleur
Welcome to the forum.
Thanx for the input. Not ridiculous. Do not be afraid to post ideas.k
Actually, I think there are systems built on that concept.
Yes... a friendly bunch indeed ???

Hi LL Church, thanks for the warm welcom

Yes. . .  a friendly bunch indeed Huh?

lolz are the members here really that not hostile?

From page 20 of Win3million

I WONDER IF THERE IS AT LEAST ONE HONEST PERSON WHO WILL PRINT THIS ON A FORUM WITHOUT CHANGES OR MISQUOTING.  ?

AMONG THE NICE EMAILS I RECEIVE, A FEW ARE QUITE RUDE AND ARROGANT !

You have told me I do not help the decent people enough.

First you have NO right to say that or demand anymore than I wish to give.

I like people who "WORK" for what they deserve.

I do help people. . . . BUT what have you done to help me or others ?

I see so little !   You want help ?. . . . . You go and earn it. . . . You may get it.

Sounds better than fair to me. 

Are you a person worth helping ?
Do you stand up to liars and cheats.  ?
Do you tell the truth ?
What have you done.  ?
What will you do.  ?

Time will tell.

Charles Edward Hampshire. . . . . a very fair man.

Anybody got a lucky coin I can borrow?

Quote from: lazyton on April 23, 2009, 06:46:53 AM
From page 20 of Win3million

I WONDER IF THERE IS AT LEAST ONE HONEST PERSON WHO WILL PRINT THIS ON A FORUM WITHOUT CHANGES OR MISQUOTING.  ?

AMONG THE NICE EMAILS I RECEIVE, A FEW ARE QUITE RUDE AND ARROGANT !

You have told me I do not help the decent people enough.

First you have NO right to say that or demand anymore than I wish to give.

I like people who "WORK" for what they deserve.

I do help people. . . . BUT what have you done to help me or others ?

I see so little !   You want help ?. . . . . You go and earn it. . . . You may get it.

Sounds better than fair to me. 

Are you a person worth helping ?
Do you stand up to liars and cheats.  ?
Do you tell the truth ?
What have you done.  ?
What will you do.  ?

Time will tell.

Charles Edward Hampshire. . . . . a very fair man.

Hi Charles.  Can you post your winning bet here now?  That is, if there really is one!  (I believe there may be) :)

Quote from: Philc on May 02, 2009, 02:56:40 PM
Well thats got you famous, page 22 win3million.com

RPro75. We have been following your "career" all over the internet and other roulette forums for some time. Of course the other idiots do not know or can even guess what you have in mind for them.  We know!

We of course know your "Modus Operandi" of the slow set-up and then the "Hit". You will of course succeed  because they never learn or read this site. (it hurts their brain).

You should not of course been so arrogant in your attempt to gain their respect.(it backfires). Arrogance is next to stupidity.

Please continue....some of your "Followers" will see the truth.

It's nice to know that I am somewhat of a "celebrity" (LOL) in the roulette forums.  I don't consider myself arrogant however, just confident in my abilities.  Of course, sometimes that can seem like arrogance.  I do feel that I really have a "knack" for this game and I seem to be very good at it.  Of course, just a few months ago when I was a newbie I must say that I was a punter of the worst kind and knew nothing of the game. Believe me when I tell you I lost a lot of time and money and caused myself a lot of heartache before I started winning on a regular basis.  I am sorry if I have seemed arrogant to you but let me say I appreciate your support and kind words.  All I want is for my systems and strategies to win others money and bring happiness to others lives as they have done for me.  This game is still a hobby for me, I am far from being a "professional".  I do love it so, and am happy every day that I get to play.  Good luck to all and to all good luck!

Charles always insults roulette forum and forum member,but now his website looks like a part of our forum,he looks like our forum member.  It's very ridiculous!!! ;D

@Boffinsteammember
4 posts. All insults. Nothing constructive. You are on a roll.
Just one question?
Who is your normal persona?
Why do you need an alterior persona?
OK 2 questions.

Here's my position.
I am concerned with finding a bet. Call it what you will.
If I think Charles is right. I will defend him.
If I think he is wrong. I will say so.
If I don't know, I will shut up.
I am only concerned with finding and utilizing said bet.
That's it..I am not much for forums except the entertainment value.
But I don't hide behind an alterior persona to make insults or my points.
Too many children, not enough babysitters.
-LL Church out

Quote from: LL Church link=topic=6627. msg51688#msg51688 date=1241376272
@Boffinsteammember
4 posts.  All insults.  Nothing constructive.  You are on a roll.
Just one question?
Who is your normal persona?
Why do you need an alterior persona?
OK 2 questions.

Here's my position. 
I am concerned with finding a bet.  Call it what you will. 
If I think Charles is right.  I will defend him.
If I think he is wrong.  I will say so.
If I don't know, I will shut up. 
I am only concerned with finding and utilizing said bet.
That's it. . I am not much for forums except the entertainment value.
But I don't hide behind an alterior persona to make insults or my points. 
Too many children, not enough babysitters.
-LL Church out

LL Church
I wonder where your's own mind. Sometimes you think Charles is wrong,sometimes you think Charles is right. But there is only ONE truth,you know!!
You always say that you are serious in finding consistent. But you didn't post any ideal about said bet. i think you're really LOOKing for somebody's bet will be post in this thread. Pls shut up and READ only beacause you don't know. Sorry,I really don't want to be offensive

Sorry I didn't respond earlier. I had a 2day migraine. (seriously)
I'm not gonna argue.
You were right on one thing. I haven't posted any ideas for the bet.
2 things you are wrong about.
1. The reason why.
   -When I was a little boy, my mom took me to the zoo. I went to see the monkeys. Mom told me not to feed them, did I listen? No. I went and fed one.  Damn thing bit me. I don't do that anymore. ;D

2. I don't kiss anyone's ass. (still annoyed.)
If you WANT constructive ideas. Just let me know.
Since you said please, I guess I will shut up and read....for now
(first I have to go to the casino and have some fun)
-See ya later boffin.

Hi,

I just thought of a bet does anyone wanna help test? Its a rare trigger so you can use variants to make it faster.  This is about betting on the run of the past two dozens (24 numbers) and betting on the change of 9 numbers for a 33 number bet.  So say that results are 11,20,1 The two dozens to bet on would be 2nd and 1st since 20 is in 2nd dozen and 1 is in 1st dozen then we bet on the numbers 28-36 for a "change bet. "

Secondly, because I know you will read this, I am sorry for all my wrongdoings Charles.  And posting this bet may be a bad choice but I am really busy and don't have much time to test this for myself.

Quote from: jokesonyou123 on May 05, 2009, 07:05:52 PM
Hi,

I just thought of a bet does anyone wanna help test? Its a rare trigger so you can use variants to make it faster.  This is about betting on the run of the past two dozens (24 numbers) and betting on the change of 9 numbers for a 33 number bet.  So say that results are 11,20,1 The two dozens to bet on would be 2nd and 1st since 20 is in 2nd dozen and 1 is in 1st dozen then we bet on the numbers 28-36 for a "change bet. "

Secondly, because I know you will read this, I am sorry for all my wrongdoings Charles.  And posting this bet may be a bad choice but I am really busy and don't have much time to test this for myself.

Not only is it a bad choice, it's a bad bet!

O. K.  Why is it so hard to find this bet? I seriously feel like I tried everything.  Ive been searching for about 3 years.  :(
Roulette is so random that I dont know how you can only lose 6 in a row.  That's amazing!!!
You know what else is amazing? The results he got from the bet he describes on page 22.
He found two amazing bets and I can't even find one of them.  WTF???!!!
Maybe if we all legitimately work together on this then we can actually solve this puzzle. 
So, everyone should stop playing these silly games with Charles, we could get somewhere.
If you spent half the time finding a bet instead of playing games, then we could get somewhere.
No offense to anyone.
Any ideas?

Bet: Bet on the past 3 double streets (even-odds bet).  I have seen really good results with this exept it still has its bad runs. 

Maybe if we try following something since this would be automatic betting.  Im trying to play with the results like splitting the table different ways and following the results.  (example: a1-7  b8-14  c15-21  d22-28 disregard 29-36 and zero

LETS DO DIS!!!
LOL!!!!!!

As we know, betting 2 dozens will have 6+ misses on many occasions. So my logic says that the layout must be covered by somewhere between 27 and 32 numbers. So we are looking at a combination of multiple even chances and/or dozens and/or columns.

Mocco

Quote from: Moccoman on May 11, 2009, 11:37:18 PM
As we know, betting 2 dozens will have 6+ misses on many occasions. So my logic says that the layout must be covered by somewhere between 27 and 32 numbers. So we are looking at a combination of multiple even chances and/or dozens and/or columns.

Mocco

You are on the right track. Having a plausible reason to pick from 12 to 32 numbers, and why, is on the right track.

Visual dexterity, that's how you really see. You can't see much in a chart of "R L O d1 c2" patterns.
You more than likely reason that out. You don't do it by visual dexterity.

See?
Wins___|__B___R___|__L___H___|__O___E__|__L___M___H__|___B___M___T__|_Spins

____0__|__13______|__13______|__13______|______13______|__13__________|___1__|
____0__|__33______|______33__|__33______|__________33__|__________33__|___2__|
____0__|__20______|______20__|______20__|______20______|______20______|___3__|
____0__|___2______|___2______|_______2__|___2__________|_______2______|___4__|
____0__|__20______|______20__|______20__|______20______|______20______|___5__|
____0__|__11______|__11______|__11______|__11__________|______11______|___6__|
____0__|__13______|__13______|__13______|______13______|__13__________|___7__|
____0__|__17______|__17______|__17______|______17______|______17______|___8__|
____0__|______34__|______34__|______34__|__________34__|__34__________|___9__|
____0__|__28______|______28__|______28__|__________28__|__28__________|__10__|
____0__|__26______|______26__|______26__|__________26__|______26______|__11__|
____0__|__15______|__15______|__15______|______15______|__________15__|__12__|
____0__|______23__|______23__|__23______|______23______|______23______|__13__|
____0__|______32__|______32__|______32__|__________32__|______32______|__14__|
____0__|_______1__|___1______|___1______|___1__________|___1__________|__15__|
____0__|__28______|______28__|______28__|__________28__|__28__________|__16__|
____0__|______27__|______27__|__27______|__________27__|__________27__|__17__|
____0__|_______7__|___7______|___7______|___7__________|___7__________|__18__|
____0__|______27__|______27__|__27______|__________27__|__________27__|__19__|
____0__|_______7__|___7______|___7______|___7__________|___7__________|__20__|
____0__|_______1__|___1______|___1______|___1__________|___1__________|__21__|
____0__|__17______|__17______|__17______|______17______|______17______|__22__|
_______|__________|__________|__________|______________|______________|__23__|

Quote from: Demon of Randomness on April 18, 2009, 10:46:57 PM
TOOLS are: EVEN CHANCES (BLACK/RED, EVEN/ODD, HI/LOW), DOZENS, COLUMNS,
DOUBLE STREETS (LINES), CORNERS, STREETS, SPLITS.

Observing (looking). If we just look randomness represented by strings of plain numbers we find it very hard to spot some pattern using just our eyes . Then we usualy reach for help of a microscope. Our microscope is our full attention. Things look more clearly and now we can spot that some numebers are repeating and that some numbers didn't show up. But that is not enough. Now we need LENSES to mount on our microscope. LENSES are TOOLS.

Example:

plain numbers - 18 32 36 4 31 13 21

plain numbers with mounted black/red lense - R R R B B R 

Now we can easily spot a pattern but we don't have a clue how to use it. I think that KEY IS IN COMBINING DIFFERENT LENSES TO SPOT PATTERNS, RUNS, CHANGES, LAWS (CALL THEM AS YOU LIKE) IN RANDOMNESS.

Defining (coding) numbers - it's basicly the same thing but looked from different angle. We define things by categorizing them. Aristotle used 10 categories to define all things in world around him. CATEGORIES ARE TOOLS. They show color of number, is it even or odd, small or big, and his (more or less precise) location on table. By comparing numbers we can see that some are more similar then others. The more same categories 2 numbers share the more they are similar. 4 and 6 for example. That could also help us in constructing the bet.

Coding numbers/lenses mounting should be represented by symbols (maybe even by colors) for easier analyzing. Best and maybe most natural symbols are letters (with maybe numbers added).

red     -   R
black   -   B
even    -   E
odd     -   O
hi      -   H
low     -   L
dozens  - d1, d2, d3
columns - c1, c2, c3
lines   - ?

Things get more complicated, don't they?

I THINK THAT KEY IS IN CHOOSING ONLY RELEVANT TOOLS/LENSES/CATEGORIES AND PROPER USE OF SYMBOLS.

We should also work on RELATIONS BETWEEN TOOLS, DEFAULT AND ENGENEERED TOOLS...

You were right. The answer is visual dexterity.

Hi Guys - first post for me as a new member.  I'm encouraged that there are people out there trying to beat roulette solely by bet selection.  My personal thoughts are that VB is the only possible way of beating the game.  Ie - you can beat the wheel but you cant beat the betting table.

Anyway, if you are going to test betting scenarios that are purely based on bet placement, why do you need to look at real spins? Dont you just need to assume that in 37 spins every number will come up once, therefore you can do the maths on whether your betting strategy will work over the long run or not?

If you are placing bets in a particular way based on previous numbers, then you are making a fundamental assumption about the nature of randomness - you might be disappointed is my guess.

Having said all this i did read the 15 pages of this thread looking for ways to add value to your thinking in the hope that maybe there is a winning long-run betting strategy.  I couldnt add much, but good luck.

By the way - great website.  I thought i was a loner in pursuing VB etc, but this site and a few others have shown me that there are plenty of other roulette crazies just like me!

shasta

Quote from: shasta on May 14, 2009, 10:27:41 PM

If you are placing bets in a particular way based on previous numbers, then you are making a fundamental assumption about the nature of randomness - you might be disappointed is my guess.

shasta

I would have to say that you never looked into "Clustering Analysis." Everyone here thinks they are so smart while  pointing at understanding the "Clustering Illusion." I believe that has more to do with those magical visual ballistics's beliefs than any undiscovered value from actually looking into it properly. I take your comment like the missionary that just walked into the cannibal's forest and was greeted with great interest. Before you pass your judgment why don't you look into pattern recognition and the clustering analysis discoveries. They are far more sound than inept attempts to quantify physics.

I have found a new way of looking at things! So you know how everyone makes up systems or bets by following patterns or numbers in order.  Well, I am now looking to find bets where some numbers are disregarded.  For example the results can be a,b,b,a,c,a,c,b,b,a,c and I will only look at it by skipping every other number (since it is still RANDOM).  So in other words I would look at the example like this: a,b,c,c,b,c (Get it?) I hope Im on the right track Charles.  Don't worry, if I find a way to beat the game, I will donate lots to the starving children of Africa as well as many other parts of the world.  But with me being underage and all I can't even legally gamble (or bet professionally as you call it) yet.

Biased wheels as well :)

Has any of you guys heard of Dr. Stephen Hu? I found this on the internet. In 2002 Hu claimed that because of the inbalances of the wheel and the layout and because it has only 37 numbers instead of 48 numbers roulette is not totally random. He also says that the roulette problem is not a mathemathical but a statistical one.

Zuerst ein paar Präzisierungen.

Dr. Hu hat nicht (zu beweisende) Behauptungen bzw. Hypothesen aufgestellt, sondern ist zuerst von der Tatsache ausgegangen, dass die EC-Kombinationen nicht gleichverteilt sind. Jeder kann z.B. sehen, dass es mehr ungerade rote Nummern gibt (10) als ungerade schwarze (8) - und dass diese Anzahlen noch verschieden sind von der Anzahl der meisten anderen Kombinationen wie Gerade/Manque oder Rot/Passe (9).

Daraus hat Hu dann die richtige Schlussfolgerung abgeleitet, dass die Auszahlungsverteilung bei diesen EC-Kombinationen nicht gleich sind - speziell, dass bei einigen die Wahrscheinlichkeit für ein Unentschieden größer ist (er belegt das auch rechnerisch mit den 4 Grundrechenarten, für jeden nachvollziehbar - also auch für einige Mitglieder dieses Forums).

Wenn aber die Auszahlungsverteilung für verschiedene EC-Kombinationen verschieden sind, obwohl die Wahrscheinlichkeiten der individuellen EC gleich sind und obwohl die mathematische Erwartung für alle EC-Kombinationen den gleichen (negativen) Wert haben, dann hat man spieltheoretisch ein anderes Spiel vorliegen als ein symmetrisches, bei dem also alle EC-Kombinationen gleich wahrscheinlich sind.

Daraus schloss Hu (richtig) weiter, dass es in bestimmten Situationen strategisch günstiger ist, diese vor jenen EC-Kombinationen vorzuziehen (z.B. diejenigen mit der größten Wahrscheinlichkeit für ein Unentschieden), weil das die Gesamtfluktuation des Spielkapitals beeinflusst - und somit die "Überlebenswahrscheinlichkeit".
In einem weiteren Schritt folgert Hu (ebenfalls richtig):

Wenn es aufgrund von EC-Kombinations-Unsymmetrien Differenzen hinsichtlich der strategischen Möglichkeiten gibt (und die gibt es ja), dann muss es auch zwingend Strategien geben, die relativ vorteilhaft für den Spieler (und entsprechend nachteilig für das Casino) sind.

Und er baut auch eine Brücke von der EC-Kombinations-Unsymmetrie zur Unsymmetrie der Verteilungen der verschiedenen EC-Kombinationen im Kessel. (Vorsicht hier: Er geht nicht von der gegebenen Verteilungs-Unsymmetrie im Kessel aus, wie wir das alle schon einmal überlegt haben.)
Zwischenbemerkung: Hu zeigt auch Folgendes:

Damit alle EC-Kombinationen - auch im Kessel - symmetrisch und damit ihre jeweiligen Wahrscheinlichkeiten gleich sind, bedarf es eines Roulette mit 48 Nummern (plus Zéro, wodurch das perfekt symmetrische klassische Roulette erst mit 49 Nummern, wie im Lotto, realisiert würde; bei Kesseln mit 0 und 00 wären es dann natürlich 50 Nummern).

Bisher hat Hu nur Tatsachen und zwingende logische Schlüsse dargelegt.

Dann sagt er sinngemäß: Ausgehend von dieser Sachlage kann für das klassische Roulette eine optimale Strategie konstruiert werden. (Das ist ja logisch und selbstverständlich: Wenn es Auszahlungsunterschiede aufgrund von EC-Kombinations-Unsymmetrien gibt, wenn also nicht alle Strategien das Gleiche bewirken (außer die gleiche mathematische Erwartung - aber das ist ja nur eine Kennzahl einer Strategie, wenn auch die wichtigste), dann muss es ja Strategien geben, die hinsichtlich gewisser sekundärer Eigenschaften günstiger sind als andere.

Genau das ist die Schlussfolgerung von Hu.
Er hat also ein konkretes Problem gestellt und gezeigt, dass es für dieses Problem eine Lösung geben muss.
Bisher dürfte keiner das Problem gelöst haben (ist ja nicht weiter schlimm: Der letzte Fermat'sche Satz war
über 350 Jahre lang unbewiesen; die Riemann'sche Vermutung ist es immer noch, und auch die Poincaré'sche / Poincaré hat übrigens tolle Aussagen zum Roulette gemacht).

Hu ist an der Lösung sehr interessiert - aber nur aus der theoretischen Statistik heraus. Er gibt Anregungen,
wo man bei einem "Kochrezept", d.h. bei einer praktischen Lösung ansetzen kann.

Für Praktiker, die daraus Dauergewinne realisieren wollen, ist das alles ungeeignet - da die mathematische Erwartung für alle Strategien im klassischen Roulette gleich negativ bleibt.

Und doch gibt es, so glaube ich, eine gemeinsame Brücke zwischen den folgenden drei ungelösten Problemkomplexen des klassischen Roulette, die da lauten:
# längste erlaubte Spielstrecken
# Zufälligkeitsgrade kontra Wahrscheinlichkeiten (Pincus/Kalman)
# EC-Kombinationsverteilungen


Well, maybe ...  CEH found something.

Unfortunately for most of you guys the text I've found is written in German. But hopefully it helps us further.

Cheers

Quote from: HansHuckebein on May 23, 2009, 09:23:29 AM
Has any of you guys heard of Dr. Stephen Hu? I found this on the internet. In 2002 Hu claimed that because of the inbalances of the wheel and the layout and because it has only 37 numbers instead of 48 numbers roulette is not totally random. He also says that the roulette problem is not a mathemathical but a statistical one.

Zuerst ein paar Präzisierungen.

Dr. Hu hat nicht (zu beweisende) Behauptungen bzw. Hypothesen aufgestellt, sondern ist zuerst von der Tatsache ausgegangen, dass die EC-Kombinationen nicht gleichverteilt sind. Jeder kann z.B. sehen, dass es mehr ungerade rote Nummern gibt (10) als ungerade schwarze (8) - und dass diese Anzahlen noch verschieden sind von der Anzahl der meisten anderen Kombinationen wie Gerade/Manque oder Rot/Passe (9).

Daraus hat Hu dann die richtige Schlussfolgerung abgeleitet, dass die Auszahlungsverteilung bei diesen EC-Kombinationen nicht gleich sind - speziell, dass bei einigen die Wahrscheinlichkeit für ein Unentschieden größer ist (er belegt das auch rechnerisch mit den 4 Grundrechenarten, für jeden nachvollziehbar - also auch für einige Mitglieder dieses Forums).

Wenn aber die Auszahlungsverteilung für verschiedene EC-Kombinationen verschieden sind, obwohl die Wahrscheinlichkeiten der individuellen EC gleich sind und obwohl die mathematische Erwartung für alle EC-Kombinationen den gleichen (negativen) Wert haben, dann hat man spieltheoretisch ein anderes Spiel vorliegen als ein symmetrisches, bei dem also alle EC-Kombinationen gleich wahrscheinlich sind.

Daraus schloss Hu (richtig) weiter, dass es in bestimmten Situationen strategisch günstiger ist, diese vor jenen EC-Kombinationen vorzuziehen (z.B. diejenigen mit der größten Wahrscheinlichkeit für ein Unentschieden), weil das die Gesamtfluktuation des Spielkapitals beeinflusst - und somit die "Überlebenswahrscheinlichkeit".
In einem weiteren Schritt folgert Hu (ebenfalls richtig):

Wenn es aufgrund von EC-Kombinations-Unsymmetrien Differenzen hinsichtlich der strategischen Möglichkeiten gibt (und die gibt es ja), dann muss es auch zwingend Strategien geben, die relativ vorteilhaft für den Spieler (und entsprechend nachteilig für das Casino) sind.

Und er baut auch eine Brücke von der EC-Kombinations-Unsymmetrie zur Unsymmetrie der Verteilungen der verschiedenen EC-Kombinationen im Kessel. (Vorsicht hier: Er geht nicht von der gegebenen Verteilungs-Unsymmetrie im Kessel aus, wie wir das alle schon einmal überlegt haben.)
Zwischenbemerkung: Hu zeigt auch Folgendes:

Damit alle EC-Kombinationen - auch im Kessel - symmetrisch und damit ihre jeweiligen Wahrscheinlichkeiten gleich sind, bedarf es eines Roulette mit 48 Nummern (plus Zéro, wodurch das perfekt symmetrische klassische Roulette erst mit 49 Nummern, wie im Lotto, realisiert würde; bei Kesseln mit 0 und 00 wären es dann natürlich 50 Nummern).

Bisher hat Hu nur Tatsachen und zwingende logische Schlüsse dargelegt.

Dann sagt er sinngemäß: Ausgehend von dieser Sachlage kann für das klassische Roulette eine optimale Strategie konstruiert werden. (Das ist ja logisch und selbstverständlich: Wenn es Auszahlungsunterschiede aufgrund von EC-Kombinations-Unsymmetrien gibt, wenn also nicht alle Strategien das Gleiche bewirken (außer die gleiche mathematische Erwartung - aber das ist ja nur eine Kennzahl einer Strategie, wenn auch die wichtigste), dann muss es ja Strategien geben, die hinsichtlich gewisser sekundärer Eigenschaften günstiger sind als andere.

Genau das ist die Schlussfolgerung von Hu.
Er hat also ein konkretes Problem gestellt und gezeigt, dass es für dieses Problem eine Lösung geben muss.
Bisher dürfte keiner das Problem gelöst haben (ist ja nicht weiter schlimm: Der letzte Fermat'sche Satz war
über 350 Jahre lang unbewiesen; die Riemann'sche Vermutung ist es immer noch, und auch die Poincaré'sche / Poincaré hat übrigens tolle Aussagen zum Roulette gemacht).

Hu ist an der Lösung sehr interessiert - aber nur aus der theoretischen Statistik heraus. Er gibt Anregungen,
wo man bei einem "Kochrezept", d.h. bei einer praktischen Lösung ansetzen kann.

Für Praktiker, die daraus Dauergewinne realisieren wollen, ist das alles ungeeignet - da die mathematische Erwartung für alle Strategien im klassischen Roulette gleich negativ bleibt.

Und doch gibt es, so glaube ich, eine gemeinsame Brücke zwischen den folgenden drei ungelösten Problemkomplexen des klassischen Roulette, die da lauten:
# längste erlaubte Spielstrecken
# Zufälligkeitsgrade kontra Wahrscheinlichkeiten (Pincus/Kalman)
# EC-Kombinationsverteilungen


Well, maybe ...  CEH found something.

Unfortunately for most of you guys the text I've found is written in German. But hopefully it helps us further.

Cheers

haah  I  tell  u  something  about  Charles  it  is  very   clever   man I mean  VEEERYYY I  was  found  all 4  winning bets  which   is  realy   consistent  becouse u  can  bet  on   that   with  any  playing  condition  / IMAGINE  THIS  SCENARIO    if  u  know which   bet  have  to win  when  is   good  condition  would  u  know  which  bet  will  be   lost  when  I s  bad  condition  ????  yaaah    easy then  u  can  imagine !!!!!!!!!!!!  the  fact  is  anyone  who  play roulette   need  a   time  find  consistent winning  bet  and   when  u  find  it  u  will  break  your  head   becouse  u dont   know  why  winning  but  sure  CHARLES  EDWARD HEMPSHIRE  IS  THE  BEST  KNOWLEGEBLE  PERSON   ABOUT ROULETTE !!!! HE  just forgoth  about one thing  he  said  there  is  4ur winning  bet  I  was  find  2 more . The  time  and  invested   efort  for  that  is  realy  for  hole  life it was  not  easy but  ya  I  have  say  he  have  right. put this way  how  many  people u  know  who  can  just see  the  game  and  tell  you  there  will be  break even ??? i  will  recognize anytime  when  come change  and  i  dont  us e   any  device  nothing  just  normal  watch  game  u  can  roll it  bankroll  from  200  to  100 000  so  there  is  it and  who is  not  crazy he  will  win   just  how  much  is  ok per  sesion slowly  and all  time  end  of story   i dont know  how long  is   win3mil.com  on net but  im  happy  for  that so  much  THANKS  TO  CHARLES

Quote from: casinopitbull on May 23, 2009, 11:06:19 AM
haah  I  tell  u  something  about  Charles  it  is  very   clever   man I mean  VEEERYYY I  was  found  all 4  winning bets  which   is  realy   consistent  becouse u  can  bet  on   that   with  any  playing  condition  / IMAGINE  THIS  SCENARIO    if  u  know which   bet  have  to win  when  is   good  condition  would  u  know  which  bet  will  be   lost  when  I s  bad  condition  ????  yaaah    easy then  u  can  imagine !!!!!!!!!!!!  the  fact  is  anyone  who  play roulette   need  a   time  find  consistent winning  bet  and   when  u  find  it  u  will  break  your  head   becouse  u dont   know  why  winning  but  sure  CHARLES  EDWARD HEMPSHIRE  IS  THE  BEST  KNOWLEGEBLE  PERSON   ABOUT ROULETTE !!!! HE  just forgoth  about one thing  he  said  there  is  4ur winning  bet  I  was  find  2 more . The  time  and  invested   efort  for  that  is  realy  for  hole  life it was  not  easy but  ya  I  have  say  he  have  right. put this way  how  many  people u  know  who  can  just see  the  game  and  tell  you  there  will be  break even ??? I  will  recognize anytime  when  come change  and  I  dont  us e   any  device  nothing  just  normal  watch  game  u  can  roll it  bankroll  from  200  to  100 000  so  there  is  it and  who is  not  crazy he  will  win   just  how  much  is  ok per  sesion slowly  and all  time  end  of story   I dont know  how long  is   win3mil.com  on net but  im  happy  for  that so  much  THANKS  TO  CHARLES

Ok, so what is it then?  I'll bet everything I own you won't reveal it because you, like Dyksexlic, DON'T HAVE A WINNING BET BECAUSE THERE IS NO CONSISTENT WINNING BET EXCEPT VLS METHODOLOGY.  BTE, you have now got yourself on the Win3Million website, which is what you were trying to do in the first place.

Here it is folks, CasinoPitBull's 5 minutes of fame on W3M:

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CASINOPITBULL:  YOU HAVE FOUND THE "GOLDEN COW"  NOW MILK IT EVERY DAY FOR LIFE. BE CAREFUL...SOME WOULD LIKE TO KILL YOUR COW!
YOUR FUTURE IS ASSURED.  TAKE GREAT CARE....SIMON  (for CHARLES)
#################################################

And here we go again...........

Quote from: RPro75 on May 23, 2009, 12:15:17 PM
Ok, so what is it then?  I'll bet everything I own you won't reveal it because you, like Dyksexlic, DON'T HAVE A WINNING BET BECAUSE THERE IS NO CONSISTENT WINNING BET EXCEPT VLS METHODOLOGY.  BTE, you have now got yourself on the Win3Million website, which is what you were trying to do in the first place.

Here it is folks, CasinoPitBull's 5 minutes of fame on W3M:

#################################################
CASINOPITBULL:  YOU HAVE FOUND THE "GOLDEN COW"  NOW MILK IT EVERY DAY FOR LIFE. BE CAREFUL...SOME WOULD LIKE TO KILL YOUR COW!
YOUR FUTURE IS ASSURED.  TAKE GREAT CARE....SIMON  (for CHARLES)
#################################################

ok u  have  right  so  I  didnt  find nothing  becouse  it  is  not  exist )))))))))))))))))))))))))))) :pleasantry: :pleasantry: :pleasantry: u see  u  r  1   person   whoo  discovered  me ))))))))))))))))))) Charles  have  right u  r clever  than  everyone  i  have  to  say :good:   SIMON  PLEASE  CONTACT  ME  THANK  YOU

You know what CPB, it's nothing personal, even if it seemed that way.  It's just that I am sick and tired of people claiming to have found this wonderful bet that beats roulette that even the most brilliant scientists, mathematicians, and statisticians say does not exist and could not find.  Then when they claim to have found it, nobody can ever provide proof.  Why?  Because there is no such thing and it does not exist.  Do you know the kind of study that has gone into the research of a viable way to beat roulette?  Have you any idea of the genius minds that have tried?  Are you saying that CEH and now you are smarter than Albert Einstein???  There simply is no way to do it.  I've been researching for about 3 years now and I just recently (within a week) found my answer to win on a consistent basis and that is VLS LW Methodology.  That is the most unique and innovative technique existing today to win at roulette.  Anyone who cannot see that is not a fool, but they have just not exhausted everything else yet.  I spent all kinds of time developing systems that in the end always failed until I found the LW Tracker.  I am now winning $100-$200 per day on RNG.  With some more perfecting, there is no doubt in my mind I will be playing roulette 5-7 days a week and not working a 9-5. Now, if you have found something, here is what I suggest.  Find a neutral and trustworthy person on this forum, like Victor or Lanky, tell them what you have and swear them to secrecy.  They can then create a post and tell us all nothing about the bet, simply YES or NO.  If you cannot or will not do this, then I say to you CPB, you are a LIAR and a CHEAT.

when you say that the lw is a consistent winning bet, does it mean that it loses in the long run?
I am asking cos i tried several ways at trying to 'crack' the lw, but still end up -2/3% in the long run.

can someone guide me to the best way to play this please!

Quote from: Philc on May 23, 2009, 04:12:19 PM
RPro,
I'm not saying that there is winning bet, and I'm not saying that there is not.
BUT.. How did Albert Einstein try to beat Roulette? with Maths? And then he said it Can't be done?
So that makes You and Victor and a lot of others smarter than Albert Einstein.
Why didn't Einstein develop the LW Methodology?
Maybe he was a genius but he did not look in the right places? Just like me. LOL

Cheers,
Phil

The LW Methodology does not beat the maths or change the odds.  It is a tool to help you identify patterns and what the wheel is doing at a particular time so you may exploit it.  Everyone must develop their own way to play the Lw's.  It's simple, if you get 5 L's in a roe, start betting foe a w because the chances of 6 or 7 L's in a row is so rare, I've only seen it happen once.  If you get 10 w's in a row, bet for an L, because it's coming.  I've never seen more than 16 w's in a row.  I'm talking over 2000 RNG spins played in the last 4 days.  It's a miracle tool if you learn how to use it.  It's made me close to $1600 in the past 4 days, and that's no bull.  Theoretically, it does not beat the game, it helps you find the most logical bet.  Anyone can win if they always make the most appropriate bet.  Of course, you still won't win every bet, I don't, but I bet I win at least 7 out of 10 bets.  I can say with surety it's far better than anything CEH has.  I started using $1 units, now I am using $5 units, the next step is $10 units, and so on. Also, i've been hammering Baccarat pretty good using Reverse Labouchere with a stop-loss.

Quote from: Philc on May 23, 2009, 04:59:49 PM
It does not change the maths, it does not change the odds. But it must beat both the Maths and the Odds.
If it wins 7 out of 10 bets on average it is the HG.
If it wins 7 out of 10 bets on average it beats anything Einstein thought of.
Any bet that wins Roulette consistently beats anything Einstein thought of.
It must do - he said it cannot be beaten.
True?

Don't know, I don't analyze it.  Too busy playing with it and winning.  Don't know if it is the HG or not.  It's making me a hell of a lot of money, that's all I know.  Believe it, don't believe it, doesn't really matter to me.  All I know is it's looking a lot like I'll be playing roulette for a living.  I've made more in 4 days than in two weeks at my old job.  Thank-you Victor.

Quote from: Philc on May 23, 2009, 06:03:53 PM
RPRo75 That's a Cop Out.

It amuses me when people say that if Roulette was Beatable, Einstein would have beaten it.
My wife said  If you could make money playing Roulette, Bill Gates would have done it.. And she said it without laughing. Eh?
If Bill Gates was so clever he would have started up Apple Computers and Google.

So Einstein maybe did not think of everything.
But to say that Roulette cannot be beaten and then to say that the LW beats it consistently is a contradiction.   

I didn't really expect a direct answer. It would have to be either.

1. Yes I have the HG.
2. No I am not winning consistently.

Sorry RPRo75 it's just the way my mind works.

No problem, buddy.  Doesn't bother me any, because I know how to win mow and I am doing it.  So what if I can't explain it?  It works.  Is it the Grail?  Don't know.  All I know is it is tthe best tool I've ever used to play roulette.  Many people win at roulette.  Could you ever make the money Bill Gates has made with roulette? Absolutely not, that's why he doesn't play.

Anyway, here's my session for today.    It took about 6 hours but you can see the results for yourself.  Of course, there will be those who say I doctored the photos, or it's play money, or whatever.  The fact is is that if someone wants to doubt you they will.  So be it. I know the truth and that is all that matters.


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Quote from: Philc on May 23, 2009, 06:49:14 PM
RPro you don't have to prove anything to me. I'm not trying to wind you up.
The point I am making is that any consistent bet is the HG even if its 7 wins out 13 Consistently and Reliably. Or is it not?
Even a bet that NEVER loses I would class as the HG. If it NEVER loses it must have some point where it is profit.
I believe you that the LW wins, many people say it does.
Just one point though:
If you keep Increasing your bet every day or whatever, and at some point you lose, you are risking some or all of your past winnings.

Phil  

That's right, but you have to exercise control.  For example, if i lose 2 bigger bets in a row, I don't increase my bets and try to recoup, that's how you lose more.  I know that the LW will win more than lose, so i decrease and grind my way back up.  Don't be fooled, I made over $400 today, but it took almost 7 hours of continuous spinning.  It's no get rich quick scheme, it is work like anything else.  If you think you are going to work 2 hours a day and make $400 a day doing this, you are wrong.  Thursday, I played for 10 hours and made about $240.  Tomorrow, I may play for 6 hours and only make $90.  It's a grind, but what isn't?

3 more hours grinding - $281.  The bigger your bankroll gets, the easier it is to make more money faster.  I started out with $100 4 days ago.

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I'm not saying I know how to beat roulette but anyone with half a brain knows you can't beat rng.  It's computer software designed to make money for the casino.  Duh!!!

As for CEH, I am very happy for you and your success.  (Man, You do not know how jealous I am of you).  I can't wrap my head around the bet.

For those of you like me trying to find a genuine, profitable bet and strategy, I am looking at the dozens right now.  I've found out a bet that doesn't work so maybe if we flip it (reverse the bet) it might work.  I am showing the reversed version.

You get two dozens like if the results are a,b,b,c,b,c,a,a,b,c then you catorize it:
a c b c b c-next bet is b (since b would be the change because c's and a's go together this time)
b      a
b      a

after we found the a's and b's going together, c appeared, then once b appeared-we now have a chance to bet on c for a change since a and b are together (a series).  The next opportunity we have is on the last result that's a c.

How can you put all your heart and effort into something and not find it? Where's god?

I post on here because I am a Very Lonely Sucker.  I don't know ANYONE interested in roulette betting, so this is all I have. 
Sorry Charles.

It continues to surprise me that people keep quoting Einstein as saying that roulette is unbeatable.

CEH said that he spent 20 months fulltime finding his bet. I'm sure Einstein wouldn't have spent 20 minutes on it. As a mathematician, he would have said roulette is a negative expectation game, so it can't be beaten.

I'm sure he had plenty of other things to solve, rather that the game of roulette.

Mocco

Quote from: Moccoman on May 25, 2009, 02:57:45 AM
It continues to surprise me that people keep quoting Einstein as saying that roulette is unbeatable.

CEH said that he spent 20 months fulltime finding his bet. I'm sure Einstein wouldn't have spent 20 minutes on it. As a mathematician, he would have said roulette is a negative expectation game, so it can't be beaten.

I'm sure he had plenty of other things to solve, rather that the game of roulette.

Mocco

There have been many other studies.  I remember reading something about a project that involved 20 MIT students and they concluded there was no single bet that would produce a profit every spin, amongst other things.  I don't know all of the details, so I can't really comment on it in any depth.

Quote from: Moccoman on May 25, 2009, 02:57:45 AM
It continues to surprise me that people keep quoting Einstein as saying that roulette is unbeatable.

CEH said that he spent 20 months fulltime finding his bet. I'm sure Einstein wouldn't have spent 20 minutes on it. As a mathematician, he would have said roulette is a negative expectation game, so it can't be beaten.

I'm sure he had plenty of other things to solve, rather that the game of roulette.

Mocco

You're right moccoman. he never gave it any more than a cursory thought. You know he kept seven identical suits in the wardrobe so he wouldn't waste any brain space on deciding what to wear each day........

Hello werdna
Nice to see you again mate
The Spiders Kiss

Do you have anything you would like to share with us??

Werdna
I have no idea what you mean "taken in" so I guess I wasnt.
Anyway its nice to see you around,and I am not offended at all.
take care my friend.
TSK


ps
If you want to post some more clues to ,whatever, then feel free.

Thank you Werdna old friend but it comes up "forbidden access" lol.
Take care mate
TSK

Hi all,
I am a new member.  Now, I retired from roulette pro. I will share you a very good bet.
Hope it help you.

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Strategy 7

Aardvark Roulette Ltd ©

Steve Morgan

PREAMBLE TO PLAYING ROULETTE

A good many people will tell you that roulette is impossible to beat.  That's because they have never done it themselves and are not prepared to put in the hard work of testing and researching.

Most will state that the Mathematics is against you and that the House Edge will always catch up with you in the end.

How can you possibly win if there are 37 numbers (European Wheel) and they only pay out $36 for a win? Even if you covered 36 numbers with dollar chips you would eventually lose as soon as zero appeared.

If you kept playing Red and Black with the Martingale Progression you would eventually lose every time zero appeared or you reached the table limit.

So how can you possibly win at roulette?

YOU NEED:
1)   A robust mechanical strategy.
2)   A reasonable bank roll. 
3)   A reliable method of recording.
4)   Patience.
5)   The ability to walk away when a target is reached.

The main aspect we are interested in is the robust mechanical strategy.  Mechanical, means a strategy that eliminates the need for emotional decisions by the gambler.  The strategy chooses the bets automatically that's why it needs to be robust enough to get you over any losing streaks.

IS THERE SUCH A STRATEGY?
The world in which we live is quite random but within that randomness patterns do form.  To beat roulette you need to understand these patterns and choose the ideal time to place bets.  You need to manipulate the odds so that they are in your favour.
The strategy outlined in the following pages is designed to place you in an advantageous position each time you place bets. 
FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO PLAY ROULETTE:

##########

anyone tested that?

Ive been playing like a variation of it. Only difference is i don't wait for the sequence, what comes up I bet the two spots against it.
I usually will play the collumns instead of the dozen.

I've seen another system where you just alternate, so you start say on Dozens 1 & 2, spin, then whatever comes up place your second bet on Dozen 2 & 3, spin, and again whatever comes up place  bets on 1& 2. and continue like that.

Like everything, sometimes it works, sometimes it takes a while to accumulate your winnings, and others it's just a complete disaster :)

So with any system I say, if your up and you win a bit, stop and go back later.

.

Quote from: viper5 on May 26, 2009, 11:53:57 AM
anyone tested that?

I have. You can read randomness and see many characteristics. You can use an advantaged bet selection process to beat roulette. I just played 42 spins and after six spins I won all but four spins. The first six I did not bet, I just observed. I won every bet for the first hour. All that due to my observations and selecting the appropriate bets.

How do you look at the Cache page?

RPro75


If your bet wins 7 out of 10 bets, I believe Charles at win3million will pay you 3 million GBP.  Take the money and ypu will be set for life.

Quote from: Student of Roulette on May 26, 2009, 12:58:46 PM
RPro75


If your bet wins 7 out of 10 bets, I believe Charles at w 3 m will pay you 3 million GBP.  Take the money and ypu will be set for life.

I could do that. But I would never give it away. Perhaps three million placed in escrow and cleared by a title company first might tempt me. It's just a hot air offer to pay for it.

Nobody is going to go on the internet and attempt to purchase a working system. Especially anyone with a predetermined three million. That alone is fishy. Millionaires don't make offers like that. The offer must be fake.

Gizmotron

Are you RPro75 also?

Quote from: Student of Roulette on May 26, 2009, 01:48:13 PM
Gizmotron

Are you RPro75 also?

I'm just gizmotron, nobody else. I don't need to hide from those that disagree with me. They have their opinions and I have mine. That works the best.

I think the key to finding a winning bet is "movements on table" as CEH said on page 3:"This is the only place where you find that genuine winning bet. "

What is your idea about the "movements". 
On the boffins bet he mentioned about the movements.  What kind of movements on win3million. com?

Some through
Hope we work together on this.

Hi Werdna,

Are you RPro75 also?  :sarcastic:

Hi Werdna,

I donn't known what you said.  Are you Wealth, Success and Love??
Please don't disturb other.  This is place to discuss for finding a roulette bet

You make me confuse.

I read it many many time but I don not understand what you mean.  :haha:

Quote from: Werdna on May 26, 2009, 02:21:44 PM
Pheww...this is harder than I thought.

Please read!

Put all the clues together.

Charles is telling you to read.

Go to Wikipedia and learn something new.

Charles states that finding the bet is the easy part, if none of you can find the bet on your own how the heck are you going to walk into a casino and act!

Love from Werdna

Werdna,

I have read many many many times and cannot grasp the underlying clues.  No doubt I am trying, but cannot quite put it all together.

Thank Werdna,
Hope we find something new from that story.  I am trying. . .

i have a question to all the men that say that there is a winning bet ...like charles

Random is something really bad and thats why we can t find any patern!!!!

how can we find a patern in randomness????

randomness is responsible that no patern can happen

Quote from: viper5 on May 26, 2009, 02:52:53 PM
I have a question to all the men that say that there is a winning bet ...like charles

Random is something really bad and thats why we can t find any patern!!!!

how can we find a patern in randomness????

randomness is responsible that no patern can happen

Says you, and I can't imagine why.

Look at this:

| - | - | o |
| - | o | - |
| - | o | o |
| - | - | - |
| - | - | o |
| - | o | o |
| - | - | - |
| - | - | o |
| - | o | - |

See any patterns there?

Of courcen i can see paterns!!!!!

but it can t be a winning one(that occur more than the others)

and the reason is RANDOMNESS!!!!!

that s why has this name!!!!!

couse meens that all the paterns are random!!!!

Quote from: viper5 on May 26, 2009, 02:52:53 PM
I have a question to all the men that say that there is a winning bet ...like charles

Random is something really bad and thats why we can t find any patern!!!!

how can we find a patern in randomness????


randomness is responsible that no patern can happen

even randomness produces patterns, just one example:

nolinks://nolinks.stilldreamer.com/mathematics/chaos_game/

Quote from: viper5 on May 26, 2009, 03:16:55 PMand the reason is RANDOMNESS!!!!!

that s why has this name!!!!!

couse meens that all the paterns are random!!!!

Wow, that expalians averything you all will ever need.

Oke I googled win3milion and win_3million looked at the cached pages, and you get the pages from a couple of weeks ago, but there is no info on these pages that is not on his website now???

The only weird part is that ceh had a website win3miLion.com with just one L.....

What are we missing here???

I would like to buy CEH pocket Bot.  I bid $100. 00 for it 

Hey there Charles! (see here, I actually took the time to spell your name corectly. But I forgive you  :) )

So I screwed up saying you own both sites, (would it have mattered if you did?) and so apparently the 2 sites are not related, but the info is still the same, so what gives?

Best Regards,

Ka2 (By the way that 2 holds a bigger secret than you think, wouldn't you agree Charles?)

Quote from: Werdna on May 27, 2009, 06:07:03 PM
A riddle I happen to be working on...

If friends have the answer how many by your side?

If pages could be read would they be your guide?

An occurrance it will happen maybe once or twice

The balance on your side you'd think that would be nice

Should there be a minus there may well be a plus

Working on your own means there is no us

Werdna

Hey Mate
Thanks for the new clue
your friend
TSK

Quote from: LL Church link=topic=6627. msg46519#msg46519 date=1239387114
I realise this has nothing to do with the (or any) bet.  But, has anyone noticed you can cover 45%-50% of probable outcome with just 2 units making a 4/1 profit with each win?

can LL Church or anyone who know's explain this to me??
Thank you~^^

Quote from: Werdna on May 27, 2009, 06:07:03 PM
A riddle I happen to be working on...

If friends have the answer how many by your side?

If pages could be read would they be your guide?

An occurrance it will happen maybe once or twice

The balance on your side you'd think that would be nice

Should there be a minus there may well be a plus

Working on your own means there is no us

Werdna

Werdna,

In looking back at some of your old posts you were under the assumption that it might be an outside bet, as in "keep it simple, and look at the BIG picture."  To give some better direction, do you recommend looking at and focusing on the outside bets rather than the inside numbers, or a combination of the two?

reading the little story about Wealth, Success and Love and werdna's poem two things of CEH page go through my mind:

- double edged bet
- you got two hands, one to help yourself, the second to help others.

(hope I don't lead myself   :haha: up the garden path)

The only engineered consistent winning bet I know is the worlds safest bet. 

That is 3 units on 1-18 and 2 units on dozen 3.  It wins consistently but loses every third or fourth spin a total of 5 units.

Could this bet be reversed somehow to win?

Could that be the ACETF bet?

Quote from: Student of Roulette on May 28, 2009, 04:48:25 PM
The only engineered consistent winning bet I know is the worlds safest bet. 

That is 3 units on 1-18 and 2 units on dozen 3.  It wins consistently but loses every third or fourth spin a total of 5 units.

Could this bet be reversed somehow to win?

Could that be the ACETF bet?

Am... That is the same as betting 5 lines/doublestreets

Quote from: Student of Roulette on May 28, 2009, 04:48:25 PM
The only engineered consistent winning bet I know is the worlds safest bet. 

That is 3 units on 1-18 and 2 units on dozen 3.  It wins consistently but loses every third or fourth spin a total of 5 units.

Could this bet be reversed somehow to win?

Could that be the ACETF bet?

maybe you should try betting 3 units on the 3rd dozen and only 2 on 1-18.. it's reversed in some way.. maybe something that should happen often but doesn't happen as much as it should will.. if you know what i mean..

although werdna removed his posts he wrote:
"the balance on you side you think that would be nice"

so maybe the bet is abot playing for *Equilibre* (I just don't know the correct english word)  ::)

4 days now i have thr rx and i am observing thousants of spins!!!!!

i am writing down every 100 spins and i find a patern

but in the next 100 spins this patern is losing....

i think that there is not a steady patern that wins all the time

and the explanation is so simple

its random

viper..stop trying to look for patterns and read Charles's website. He says it from the very beginning that you CANNOT rely on any pattern because changes can happen at any time.

The purpose here is to "ride the tide" (series results) and catch as many changes as you can - He also says that randomness It's our friend in this case,so stop knocking your head against the wall with the fact that the wheel is random


P.S. Werdna,thanks anyway for your help

My friend I searched not only for a steady bet!!!!

the most of the time I was searching for exactly what U said!!!changes

but all the time all was changing!!!

u think that I don t want this bet to exist????

I pray that charles is telling the truth

Quote from: viper5 on May 28, 2009, 05:49:58 PM
My friend I searched not only for a steady bet!!!!

the most of the time I was searching for exactly what U said!!!changes

but all the time all was changing!!!

u think that I don t want this bet to exist????

I pray that charles is telling the truth

hehehe me too~
thanks for the testing.. i don't think anyone should really tell someone to stop doing something.. i think they should just give advice they think is good and leave it at that.. sorry i don't think they should do that.. i think this would just be a nicer place if they did..

hi guys,
good news from win3million :"WERDNA ,,,?  WHY ARE YOU HELPING THESE PEOPLE ?

YOU ARE NOW MAKING A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY
YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL FROM YOUR OWN EFFORTS !

ALL THE DECENT PEOPLE HAVE LEFT VLS AND OTHER FORUMS THERE ARE NOW ONLY "NEWBIES" . . AND THOSE WHO LIVE ONLY TO MAKE "POSTS" TO ANYONE  WHO WILL REPLY ??

THE ONLY ONE TO BENEFIT WILL BE THE CROOKS OR AN IDIOT LIKE MOLLO WHO ONLY SEEKS CYBER FAME.         WERDNA. . . . GO GET VERY RICH. (a brain + 2 hands) YOU GOT IT ALL. . . USE IT. AND HELP. .  "REAL"PEOPLE. . . . . PLEASE !"
it's mean that:werdna got the bet!!!But he removed all his post. 

good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but have u thought that WEDRA is maby CHARLES????

and did all these to mess with our minds ??

I just say maby was 1 of his tricks

Quote from: Boffinteammember on May 29, 2009, 09:28:07 AM
hi guys,
good news from w 3 m :"WERDNA ,,,?  WHY ARE YOU HELPING THESE PEOPLE ?

YOU ARE NOW MAKING A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY
YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL FROM YOUR OWN EFFORTS !

ALL THE DECENT PEOPLE HAVE LEFT VLS AND OTHER FORUMS THERE ARE NOW ONLY "NEWBIES" . . AND THOSE WHO LIVE ONLY TO MAKE "POSTS" TO ANYONE  WHO WILL REPLY ??

THE ONLY ONE TO BENEFIT WILL BE THE CROOKS OR AN IDIOT LIKE MOLLO WHO ONLY SEEKS CYBER FAME.         WERDNA. . . . GO GET VERY RICH. (a brain + 2 hands) YOU GOT IT ALL. . . USE IT. AND HELP. .  "REAL"PEOPLE. . . . . PLEASE !"
it's mean that:werdna got the bet!!!But he removed all his post. 

is werdna win with math? if so.. i'm waiting for his lottery results. if not, disregard this post.

Hey there,

I've seen a system online which is simular to your idea.

But you bet say $9 on 1-18
you bet $6 on the 3rd dozen,
and 2 on 19,20,22,23

So the only thing that comes up to kill your bets is 0, 21, & 24

So you generate a $1 from each spin. Now needless to say if those other dreaded numbers come up you'll lose $17,
but obviously most of the time this system works to generate a few bucks.

0 21 24???? I think you forgot a few 2 4 6 8 11 13 15 17 on these numbers you lose all as well  ;)

no no no, cause your putting $9 on the 1-18 bet.

Hope fully the pic will make sense. And of course you can use whatever unit amount.

Halo all.    im have best rolette bet that no good.    that stupid bet can to always lose every time  lolo   so far im never to win rolette.    all time im play roletto im no to win.    im think some stupid bet this is can like a friend for you ACTFE bet ? maybe you like lose a rolette, im can to help.    im sure this worses bet play rolette.  

chez88

What is your bet?

If it is a consistent losing bet, maybe we can find the reverse of your bet and it would be a consistent winner.

@ student of roulette
consistent losing bet=bet all 37 numbers.u will lose 1 unit in every spin.. there u are :)

Is there any chance to read werda's deleted posts?
Victor?

Quote from: zeus link=topic=6627. msg61685#msg61685 date=1243723807
Is there any chance to read werda's deleted posts?
Victor?

there's is nothing new in werdna's deleted posts. He just repeat what Charles said in his website n recommend you go to ACTEF website to read a story about Love,Sucess n Weath

Quote from: zeus on May 30, 2009, 07:50:07 PM
Is there any chance to read werda's deleted posts?

Perhaps someone's got it saved... you may want to ask Lionel and other fellows more prone to those studies mate.

Regards.

Quote from: Student of Roulette on May 28, 2009, 04:48:25 PM
The only engineered consistent winning bet I know is the worlds safest bet. 

That is 3 units on 1-18 and 2 units on dozen 3.  It wins consistently but loses every third or fourth spin a total of 5 units.

Could this bet be reversed somehow to win?

Could that be the ACETF bet?

That's the same as playing 1 unit on 5 double streets. If I can remember Matty here used to play that way. I have tried it and failed to me.

ikarianman

The reverse bet to betting all 37 numbers is to bet none at all.

That would make you a consistent winner , or not a consistent loser.

There u are.

Quote from: Student of Roulette on May 31, 2009, 08:31:45 AM
ikarianman

The reverse bet to betting all 37 numbers is to bet none at all.

That would make you a consistent winner , or not a consistent loser.

There u are.

I totally agree with you

Zeus

Click your history button on your browser.  If you have several days of history stored on your computer, the pages that you visited should be there.

Also I thought werdna was a girl, but I just realized that werdna is andrew spelled backwards.

For what it is worth.  Not much.

There are methods  and approaches to make  one  a  winner more than a loser but  none  of those  have  ever been  presented in any  of the message boards and that includes this one.

What I have noticed  there are too many quick fix  ideas   floating around but the BEST methods  are well hidden and will never see daylight  with the exception at  a real  casino  roulette table unnoticed by  neither croupier nor  PB.

Thank  GOD  I am one  of the very few  who  know  how  to WIN with those methods.

All FOUR cylinders must function in unison!!! They are B-K-M-D.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

Lucky you Nathan

did you find those methods yourself or did you get them from someone else, are they based in mathematics or in the physics of the wheel?

I did  receive those methods from someone. They are based upon experience as well as  common sense.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

Thanks Nathan

A.  Love Success n Wealth

There maybe clues in this story

1.    Woman is home (W)
2.    Must wait for man to come home (M) before LSW can come in
3.    Love must come in before Wealth and Success (L)

WML

4.    Wealth and Success always follow Love

This may mean that when L comes in the other two atributes follow. 
Eg a 6 line brings in with it a dozen and a high or low

Or

It could mean that a dozen brings in 2 chips


B.  Page 1 of Charles site

"The bet: Can you find one? I can only say yes! If I can, you can!"

Is this a clue

[C]an [y]ou find one? [c]an only say yes! If [c]an, [y]ou [c]an!"

CYICICYC ????
or CYCICIICYC


C.  Win Some and Loose More

[W]in S]ome and [L]oose [M]ore
[L]oose S]ome and [W]in [M]ore

WSLM
LSWM

D.  There is more than one bet, Charles says there are 4.
So there may be clues to more than one bet in the clues that we have been given.
Also Casinopitbul found another one and Werna may have another as well.


Graeme

HAHA,

TASTEC, ARE YOU KIDDING.  YOU ARE GOOD AT GUESS.
NO ONE CAN BEAT THE ROULETTE AS NO ONE SHOW A PROFF JUST A BIG BIG CLUES.  NOTHING MORE.

HI ALL,
YOU ARE WASTING TIME ON TOTAL Untruthful CEH STORY. "THAT IS A FACT"

thegioingam.

What is the basis of your statement.

You say the CEH story is untruthful, based on what facts.

Explain

maths perhaps..?

Because he did not show any proof. He just create many clue and ask we find it.
Because roulette is random so we can not find a bet to beat it.

To CEH, can you give us a statement ( not clue ) to prove your consistent wining bet .
You said" find a bet that use the run and the change to advandge". How can We know when the run and the change to happen???????? We can not know because of randomness. So Roulette can not be beaten.

To all,
Please don't fooling your self.

Quote from: thegioingam on June 01, 2009, 12:41:40 PM
So Roulette can not be beaten.

Just a simple question, if roulette can not be beaten, then why are you here in this forum?

thegioingam

CEH is not going to give any proof of his winnings.

You are to come up with a bet that traps the runs and the changes consistently in order to win.  So you need to find a bet that covers  say the current dozen in case it repeats and also the other 2 dozen in case the current dozen does not repeat.  While writing this I just came up with an idea for a bet that might work.

Thanks for making me explain it to you.

dont mean to hurt your feelings guys-i say this for new members.
the story of the website of charles has been discused for about 8 months now(before this thread begins)-there is a thread about 100 pages about this site(older thread),you can find a lot of posts in there from people who tried to find something,but unfortunately nothing was found.
i hope you new members find something

Quote from: Student of Roulette on June 01, 2009, 02:29:26 PM
thegioingam

CEH is not going to give any proof of his winnings.

You are to come up with a bet that traps the runs and the changes consistently in order to win.  So you need to find a bet that covers  say the current dozen in case it repeats and also the other 2 dozen in case the current dozen does not repeat.  While writing this I just came up with an idea for a bet that might work.

Thanks for making me explain it to you.

if you bet the current dozen and the other 2 dozens you can only lose money.. i think..

has anyone tried the barbi roulette system.. they're site is plastered with how consistent it is.. and how it's the only consistent one out there..

To Thegioinggam

What a strange response that was to my post.
My only comments are to say this-  go and read your own posts about finding this bet and
May 26 you said "Hope we work together on this.  "

Graeme

ikarianman

According to CEH both werdna and casino pit bull found the bet.

Is that why they left?

Quote from: Student of Roulette link=topic=6627. msg62499#msg62499 date=1243977345
ikarianman

According to CEH both werdna and casino pit bull found the bet. 

Is that why they left?

Yes they found the bet

Quote from: tastec on June 03, 2009, 01:33:21 AM
Yes they found the bet

theme music...
and these are the days of our lives......

i dont think they found the bet.probably they got bored of trying to find it.
roulette is so simple game with so simple rules.you will sometimes win and sometimes lose thats it.nothing more to it.

 :clapping: guys, :clapping:

this thing is called: finding a consistent winning bet. maybe those guys who doubt that such a bet exists or have given up looking for it should open a thread called : why a consistent winnig bet simply can not exist :nono:

perhaps this would arrange the whole discussion more clearly?

hi Werdna n Casinopitbull,
Could you pls confirm that the bet is exist,we need that important information!!pls,pls. . . .

Yes, I can confirm that it most certainly does NOT exist.    ;D


Regards,


Herb                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        /.\

A DREAM JUST IS A DREAM. IT DOES NOT EXIST. HAHA. SAVE YOU TIME AND MONEY TO DO USEFUL THING.
DON'T BELIEVE CHARLES.

Good point Hans,

at least some people here could spend in a better way their time instead of bashing this thread,and start using their brains to prove that It doesn't exist as you said - This old saying fits them very well:

"Nondum matura est, nolo acerbam sumere" ..."It's easy to bash what It cannot be easily obtained"

Regards

I know one thing for sure.  Charles is telling the truth 100%.  He has the only genuine roulette site that exists.

I've been thinking about this bet alot. 
Since it's a bet within a bet, it could be something like trapping runs and changes using my a,b,c method.  but just looking at for example colors.
Just look at black for example and watch as it goes in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd dozen.  Record these and once you get movements of a,b,a,b or anything with 2 results for four times you can bet on everything else exept zero (24 numbers)

Ive just been looking at variations like this.

"I know one thing for sure.  Charles is telling the truth 100%.  He has the only genuine roulette site that exists."

Why so "Charlesque" jokesonyou? Looking at your posts you seem to have some sort of a "mission"...

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/profile/jokesonyou123/?sa=showPosts

I SEE WERDNA IS HERE TODAY ARE YOU WIILING TO SHARE ANY THING   THE RIDDLE IS NOT HARD 24 NUMBERS WHEN YOUR IN THE MINUS YOUR IN THE PLUS ONE LOSES THE OTHER ONE WINS THATS NOT HARD TO FIGURE THAT OUT ITS THE OCCURENCE THAT HAPPENS ONCE OR TWICE AND THEN IT BALANCES THATS WHERE ITS TRICKY.

Hi Charles
Long time no see
TSK

How come all references to you know who and his winning roulette website have been blanked out?

My pocket bot post has not been removed.

Is that enough proof that his consistent winning bet really does exist?

Thank you you know who for all your good information.

A lot of my post's are gone too. (all of them between 15th of February and 15th of May)... I'm done with VLS.

I've to agree with C...E...H about the "forum freaks" its the same trick over and over again...

I think you know who should start his own private , not public, forum where we can discuss real bet selections and have

good input and not worry about who is watching or spying on us.

Quote from: Student of Roulette on June 09, 2009, 09:27:02 AM
I think you know who should start his own private , not public, forum where we can discuss real bet selections and have

good input and not worry about who is watching or spying on us.

Some of us allready did that  ;)

C..E..H/Simon/Julie

You have recommended on your site that I ask questions on here. There are of course many that I have but here are a few:

I think the bet uses columns or dozens (as they move across the table and have uneven characteristics) combined with either one, two or all three of the Even Chances – am I on the right track?

I also notice that you have a dummy bet which you seem to use when conditions aren't right. As you bet every spin how often (on average) are you actually betting to win and how often are you just using the dummy bet?

I have spent a lot of time looking at 'movements'. I assume 'conventional' movements are R-R, R-B, B-R, B-B, E-E, E-O, O-E etc. Are the 'unconventional' movements between, for example R/B-O/E or R/B-c1/c2/c3 or maybe O/E – Doz1/Doz2/Doz3 or am I looking in the wrong place? Or by movements to you mean movements within one E/C ie streaks and chops?

I am not asking for something for nothing and would love to earn my place in your organisation, however a little help along the way would be appreciated!

Regards

RP

Hi rouletteplay:
I am also looking at unconventional moves on the board and by doing so I have found many bets that don't lose in 100 spins, but they only produce a small win or a break even point.  I still am looking for one that will produce a consistent gain better than just a few units.  10-20 units is what I am looking for.

Cheers and keep looking

Quote from: rouletteplay link=topic=6627. msg64282#msg64282 date=1244563009
C. . E. . H/Simon/Julie

You have recommended on your site that I ask questions on here.  There are of course many that I have but here are a few:

I think the bet uses columns or dozens (as they move across the table and have uneven characteristics) combined with either one, two or all three of the Even Chances – am I on the right track?

I also notice that you have a dummy bet which you seem to use when conditions aren't right.  As you bet every spin how often (on average) are you actually betting to win and how often are you just using the dummy bet?

I have spent a lot of time looking at 'movements'.  I assume 'conventional' movements are R-R, R-B, B-R, B-B, E-E, E-O, O-E etc.  Are the 'unconventional' movements between, for example R/B-O/E or R/B-c1/c2/c3 or maybe O/E – Doz1/Doz2/Doz3 or am I looking in the wrong place? Or by movements to you mean movements within one E/C ie streaks and chops?

I am not asking for something for nothing and would love to earn my place in your organisation, however a little help along the way would be appreciated!

Regards

RP

this  is  beting  straight  on   numbers             no  dozens  no   columns        corners  bet            black  orr  red   w hoo  sgive  hell     u  play   for  profit  not  for  joke  so  think   about its  is  huge  advantage  becouse  u know  where   to   exactly  bet  and  when  is  not  win   nevermind  next   couple  spins  will  be   ok   just   pation there is couple time  miss  but  this  is  just  bad  sequence  numbers normaly u can aply any  playng  condition becouse  what ????????????????????????  its it   RAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM  JUST stick with  that  one  day  come light  no worry))))))))))) ))))))what  a  surprise ))))))))))safely  play  u  can  use    1  st  bet dozen  after  use  that  win   for  corners )))))))))))))))))its  up to u  im  go  stright on  inside    NO  LEARN  NO  EARN   AND  DONT  WIN  TO  MUCH )))))))

Goldfinger,

The margin only needs to be very small to make big profits over a longer period of time. As C.E..H says in hos website stock market traders can make huge profits from a very small advantage.

Here's a post from Marven:

You must think in terms of unit amount, not value.
If you can consistently win 1% of your bankroll every session, then you would be able to become a millionaire in just a few years, because you would keep building your BR from the low limit tables up to the high roller rooms. That 1 % can be $0.5, as it can be $1000.

The question is whether or not your method is consistent enough to hold up for years of play without ever failing.
If you have a consistently winning method, then money management is a piece of cake.
Just divide your daily, or weekly, or monthly winnings by 3:
One third remains in your bankroll to inflate it.
One third goes to a cushion/back up bankroll, just in case.
One third goes to your pocket to be used for your personal spending/savings etc.


Also C..E..H recommends finding a stable bet and looking for a 'bet within that bet'. Have you tried looking at that?

Quote from: Boffinteammember on June 04, 2009, 03:31:45 AM
hi Werdna n Casinopitbull,
Could you pls confirm that the bet is exist,we need that important information!!pls,pls. . . .

Why do you want a confirmation about the existence of the bet? You either believe it or not. 
Forget Werdna, Casinopitbull, vlsforum etc. and try to find a bet yourself.
Charlie has something to say to us.
Roulette is a very simple game, even a dummy is able to understand the rules and play it so if we want to beat it we have to think with commonsense.
But we have to think not how to beat the odds but how to beat the game. In other words we have to find a way, by placing flat bets, to have a profit over a long term and the only way to do this is to predict where the ball is going to fall. 
According to my poor knowledge there are three ways to do this, visual ballistic, dealer signature and wheel bias, but Charlie claims that he has found an another way to do this.
By observing the movements on the roulette table he found out something that should happen more often, but did not. (Consistent loser).
He reverse the bet and found a no win no lose bet, he tweaked his bet and found a variable that in combination with a planed session gave him a consistent winning formula.
Too complicated?
There is a more simple explanation:
"If you can find a bet to trap more winners than losers against the odds paid, you have a winning bet."
Perhaps I am wrong but this is my conclusion after reading his site many times.
Now we have to find out what does "movements" mean.
According to Charlie:

"It means that if you look at the results of the wheel, you will see movements of results across the table."
"At first or even second glance you will perhaps not see them, because you are looking at all the conventional moves. This is the "Unconventional" thinking you need."

There is also a very good post by Demon of Randomness on this.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/finding-a-consistent-winning-roulette-bet/msg48436/#msg48436

Of course we have to find a lot more than the movements of the results.
Remember we have to find a "formula" not a "bet".
The "bet" is just the first part.
So what do we have to do?
I think a good idea is to read Charlie's site, what do you think?

Charlie wrote:
1. Arm yourself with a pen and paper, and go through this website "Line by Line"
Leave out all irrelevant info about me or the ACETF etc.

2. Write down every "fact" stated about betting or a bet..nothing else !!

3. You will now have a list of facts...now clean your list

4. Shut off the crap from forums or expert losers. Use only the info on your list, and you stand a good chance of finding a winning bet. Not a direct bet, but one you can manufacture from your list of facts.

5. I must tell you that you will probably not find the ACETF bet, but you can (as others have done) find a bet that is a consistent winner.

So here comes the hard part: We have to work!
And we don't have to work together we have to work alone. So try to empty your head from all these systems you know, start reading the site line by line and if Charlie is telling the truth you will become a real professional player.
Now I am going to start writing down all the facts Charlie is giving to me for free.
I suggest doing the same and if you find something..... don't tell anyone!
I know that most of you will disagree with me but I really don't care.
I wish you the best.
   

P.S. Here is my first line:
Allow me tell you once and forever...you can only... find a way to beat the Game...not the Odds.

@ Wannawin

You are in the wrong place here, if you dont believe then thats fine but dont come in threads like this. If you cant add anything positive then please dont post. Your name is 'Wannawin'- do you really want to win? If so what are YOU doing about it?

I already deleted my post, but I still think they are just looking as the pigeons for crumbs of a man who has no intention of giving anything.

Has its place since 2007 and as I read has not published the bet. Good. He published the bet it when he wrote it and erased it too. What is there to say in that? He already had what was going to give and repented and will not give anything more again.


Better consider to study what there is to study. Study Mr. Lanky and the others to explore what people who shares what makes them win selflessly expose. It is explained. No riddle, it is there. They really want to help and without press conference do that: just help. Good inside.

Forget that this man will never tell you anything more than roulette tips and nothing else.

I do not have the bet but I expose what I have. Anyone who wants to help someone just helps. Do not send it through a maze to see if it finally comes out and helps. I think I have a point.

Wannawin

SOMETHING THAT SHOULD  HAPPEN MORE OFTEN BUT DID NOT VERY SIMPLE  ITS CALLED STREAKS IT DOES NOT HAPPEN THAT OFTEN ,WHEN YOU SEE A STREAK OF 3   THATS THE TIME TO GO IN  OTHER WISE YOU SIMPLE PLAY OPPOSITE ONLY IN THE EVENS CAN YOU DO THIS UNTIL THE STEAKS SHOW THEM SELVES FLAT BETTING  TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE STREAKS IS THE ONLY WAY IN THE DOZENS SAME THING 3 DOZEN SHOW THEM SELVES GO IN ONLY FOR 1 TIME IF IT LOSES STOP IF IT WINS PLAY ON SIMPLE RIGHT.PLAY ONE BET AT A TIME .ALL THE BEST TINO

 Charles: I never thought about steaks notcoming up that often, but I will check into that a bit more, To me it looks like everything is a steak of some sort or another:
Ex: RRBBRRBB etc or RBBRBBRBB.  .   or OOOEEOOOEEOOO the list goes on and on. 

Rouletteplay.   Thanks for the advice.   I am looking into the game wihin a game now and will follow up later.   What I have noticed is there really is only 2 movements in the game on the slightly larger scale with the micro game that will give us the clues.   More on this later. 
Cheers

Save what you can about this thread. It is scheduled to be removed by the moderating crew this week.

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Forum cleanup is to be performed. These threads are bringing disgrace to our forum and we can't allow that anymore.

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