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Title: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: MattyMattz on March 08, 2009, 11:34:52 AM
Hey All,

in a recent post, Simon asked for some system testers to test his system that hasn't had a loss yet (over 1 million spins).  I had contacted Simon and volunteered to test. 

I have tested 11,980 spins so far and haven't had a loss either, but the grind is painfully slow (for me).  As Simon says (lol), a small profit each day adds up, and he's very right.  I just don't think that it's for me. 

I'll continue testing for a bit, but I don't think I would ever play this myself as it's too slow and the wins too small for my liking.  But I will state that I haven't seen it lose yet. 

Regards - and good luck to you Simon.  I will continue to post my results should I continue testing.

Matt
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: lucky_strike on March 08, 2009, 12:15:59 PM

Well for me it sounds like good music for my ears, grind out a profit, where can i read about hes method...

LS
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: Rquest09 on March 08, 2009, 12:47:23 PM
Quote from: Lucky Strike on March 08, 2009, 12:15:59 PM
Well for me it sounds like good music for my ears, grind out a profit, where can I read about hes method...

LS

I PM'd him and asked to test but heard nothing back he is probaly going to try n sell it if its successful ... nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1228000022/ (nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1228000022/)
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: RPro75 on March 08, 2009, 12:53:20 PM
Where are the systems?  Why post a study group if the systems aren't here for download?  What are we studying?  Test results? 
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: kawa4711 on March 08, 2009, 01:04:03 PM
Why not explain the system so that is possible for everyone to test?

Someone has perhaps 1.0000 spins to test, someone has perhaps 500.000 spins, so it can be tested by everyone here and it would be interesting to hear about different testers and not only by 1 or 2 testers, who have 1 million spins.
Best regards

kawa 4711
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: Rquest09 on March 08, 2009, 01:05:19 PM
And thinking of it why not share a system because i dont think casino's are that worried about a winning system, think about it if 37 people were playing at a table on the net or a casino and each person had thier own winning system, 1 person betting on zero another person on number 1, another number 2 ect all the way to 36, one of those lucky people will win 360 u's!! but do you think the casino will say OH NO we just lost 360 u's to this guys 10 he must have a super system were doomed :-\  no they will be laughing because they were the winners making 10u's from everyone together.
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: TwoCatSam on March 08, 2009, 01:36:16 PM
Matty

How far did you go into the progression?  I tried it over just 200 spins and found four losers in a row.  Ran out of numbers to that trot.  You are right, it is slow.

All....

It is up to Simon to post his system.  It clearly says on page 1 that it is for they eyes of those he sent it to only. 

While I feel this system will tank, I could be wrong.  I will tell you this:  You better have a large bankroll as it uses a long progression.  For that reason alone, I am not a big fan.

Sam
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: TwoCatSam on March 08, 2009, 01:44:16 PM
Simon

Why not post your system?  These blokes are good heads and they'll give you a fair shake.

Sam
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: MattyMattz on March 08, 2009, 01:58:59 PM
Sam,

I agree, you need a hefty (hefty being an understatement) BR.  I never got to the last step of the progression, but came close a couple times (one shy of final step).  I know a loss is coming though, that's for sure, and it will kill your BR when it happens.


Everyone else, it's up to Simon to post.  If you've read his other posts at RF, then you'll already have a grasp of what kinda system it is.  Grinding out profits with long progressions.  I'll leave it up to Simon to post more.

Matt
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: TwoCatSam on March 08, 2009, 02:00:20 PM
Matty

Have you written an Excel sheet to do this?  I am using the one Simon sent us, but it is slow.  I have to find the winners and losers by eye.

Sam
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: lucky_strike on March 08, 2009, 02:09:21 PM

Well i cant still find the method you speak of, i have send him an PM so maybe will get an copy.
Well i think i alredy have a method for dozen that will be very hard to beat and still it is simpel and easy to play.

It would be fun to compare to see if there is any differens.

Cheers LS
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: MattyMattz on March 08, 2009, 02:14:40 PM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 08, 2009, 02:00:20 PM
Matty

Have you written an Excel sheet to do this?  I am using the one Simon sent us, but it is slow.  I have to find the winners and losers by eye.

Sam

Yep Sam, I have indeed created a spreadsheet.  It highlights the appropriate area anytime there is a trigger.  I will send you a copy. 

To anyone else that is thinking of asking me for the spreadsheet.  I need confirmation from Simon first that he has told you the system.  Sorry, but I gave him my word that I wouldn't share.

Matt
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: Lulloz on March 08, 2009, 02:16:33 PM
Quote from: Rquest09 on March 08, 2009, 12:47:23 PM
I PM'd him and asked to test but heard nothing back he is probaly going to try n sell it if its successful ... nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1228000022/ (nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1228000022/)

I don't think Simon need to sell a system for made money, trust me ;)

I don't have emailed for the system becouse i have million of rng spins and not so much spins from live wheel, but i know if i email Simon give the system to try, is a good guy !!
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: RoulettePlayer on March 08, 2009, 02:25:00 PM
@ Rquest09, RPro75 and others - Let's give Simon a chance, while he may not post this system, I suspect he will post others.  Afterall, this section is brand new.  

RP
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: See_Jerek on March 08, 2009, 03:25:43 PM
Hi all,

I have read Simon's posts about his systems at the roulette forum.I have even ask him questions about his systems back then and he has been very nice to give me pointers and adice everytime without fail.He has given us free systems always and I can be sure 100% he is not selling anything.

I even played his systems for a while but stop playing reasons being it needs a big bank roll,goes high on progression for small profits.I am not saying it doesn't work however for me to risk so much for 1 unit I am uncomfortable after all its gambling and anything can happen.

Martingale will always work provided you have that bankroll required and a high table maximum.
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: RPro75 on March 08, 2009, 03:53:47 PM
This one gets the system, this one doesn't...Just post it so we can all study it.  This is a study group, not a "Email Simon for his systems group after you have a million spins".  It just doesn't make any sense.  Why can't we all see it?  The best way to test it is to give it to everyone in the forum.
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: lucky_strike on March 08, 2009, 03:55:14 PM
Can you get this result in 300 trails using Simons method nolinksnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinkswlwlnolinkswlzwlnolinkslwl ???

Cheers LS
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: See_Jerek on March 08, 2009, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: RPro75 on March 08, 2009, 03:53:47 PM
This one gets the system, this one doesn't...Just post it so we can all study it.  This is a study group, not a "Email Simon for his systems group after you have a million spins".  It just doesn't make any sense.  Why can't we all see it?  The best way to test it is to give it to everyone in the forum.

Hello Mate,

I think we should wait for simon to post for everyone.
He has a few systems so this one we are talking about might not be the one we had played before back in roulette forum.It might be a new thing
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: See_Jerek on March 08, 2009, 04:00:27 PM
Quote from: Lucky Strike on March 08, 2009, 03:55:14 PM
Can you get this result in 300 trails using Simons method nolinksnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinkswlwlnolinkswlzwlnolinkslwl ???

Cheers LS

I won't see its impossible,can't rule out the possibility
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: kawa4711 on March 08, 2009, 04:12:22 PM
@LS
QuoteCan you get this result in 300 trails using Simons method nolinksnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinkswlwlnolinkswlzwlnolinkslwl

Cheers LS

How can one get this result???

Best regards

kawa 4711
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: lucky_strike on March 08, 2009, 04:19:54 PM
Here is an easy method for reducing the house edge when playing 24 number bets with an La Partage rule.

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/24-numbers-bet-and-zero/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/24-numbers-bet-and-zero/)

Cheers LS
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: kawa4711 on March 08, 2009, 04:24:08 PM
thank you,
best regards

kawa4711
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: roules on March 09, 2009, 05:35:34 AM
Ok,
Where do I start. I find it hard to believe Simon would sell a system and cant find anything on it at a glance on RF. He's got a massive bankroll (which he's posted screen shots of in the past) and doesn't really need the money. I've talked to him via email and chat before and it just doesn't seem like him. He posted his original dozens system over a year ago at RF and for some reason I thought he posted it here too but I cant find it. A lot of people lost interest in it cos it's slow and the progression is steep.

For those who don't know:
The system bets on the 1st and 2nd dozens - if it loses(including a loss from a 0) you bet 2nd and 3rd dozen. Then if that loses bet 1st and 2nd again - then 3rd and 2nd all the way to the end of the progression. The progression is 1 3 9 27 81 243 729 (on each doz) - about 2500 units. After a win, play 1st and 2nd doz and reset back to 1 unit per doz.

@ Two cat - it lost four times so quickly? I'm not doubting it but were you playing it right?
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: MattyMattz on March 09, 2009, 08:58:04 AM
roules, I think Sam means he's had four losses in the progression, not that he lost the entire progression 4 times. 

He'll have to confirm though.

Matt
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: roules on March 09, 2009, 09:46:40 AM
My bad Matty and Sam, I think you're right there. But this is relatively common I think although the heart rate starts to rise on the 5th bet!

Simon also suggested previously if you want - start betting after one or two Ls to give the progression some extra steps or play with a smaller bankroll.
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: lucky_strike on March 09, 2009, 10:03:02 AM

Well this looks like any bet selection that you can find for free so whats up with this big secret.

I am getting sick of all this new trends on this forum.

"Hi, i have a super method and you can get a free demo".
"Hi, i have a super method and you can test it for free".

Its a never ending story....

LS




Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: RPro75 on March 09, 2009, 01:55:26 PM
Quote from: Lucky Strike on March 09, 2009, 10:03:02 AM
Well this looks like any bet selection that you can find for free so whats up with this big secret.

I am getting sick of all this new trends on this forum.

"Hi, I have a super method and you can get a free demo".
"Hi, I have a super method and you can test it for free".

Its a never ending story....

LS






I completely agree LS.  Simon should post his system here because people are coming here looking to study a system and there are none to study.  Nobody wants to wait and e-mail and wait some more for him to decide if they are a trusted enough and long term enough member to have the systems.  I say put up or shut up!
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: TwoCatSam on March 09, 2009, 02:38:24 PM
Gents........

What I meant was that I saw four misses and ran out of numbers.  I only had 100 or so.

This system would require you to sit for quite a long time OR call it a session and take up the progression where you left off.

I wish Simon would just publish the thing.  I thought he would send it to everyone who wanted it.  I, too, don't like the idea of e-mails and secrecy.  Listen, the truth is, the casinos have no fear of any system. 

Well, I'm off to review Vito's new and improved system.

Sam
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: Mr J on March 13, 2009, 10:52:12 PM
"Martingale will always work provided you have that bankroll required" --- Two points. Every progression is not a Marty. I'm unclear of the EXACT way of betting for this method. Also, there are a ton of methods (test mode) that can still produce a "profit" after a million spins. The question is, what would the hourly NET rate be in actual play? Worth a persons time? $20 per hour? $1.21 per hour? Some food for thought.  Ken
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: xman1970 on March 15, 2009, 10:54:36 AM
Quote from: Lucky Strike on March 09, 2009, 10:03:02 AM
Well this looks like any bet selection that you can find for free so whats up with this big secret.

I am getting sick of all this new trends on this forum.

"Hi, I have a super method and you can get a free demo".
"Hi, I have a super method and you can test it for free".

Its a never ending story....

LS







It a sign of the times LS  :(


Certain people (I'm not saying you Simon) make claims on the internet in the hope of reeling in desperate people...... :o

With the way the financial world is going, & the credit crunch no doubt to get tighter, more & more people will look for a easy way out of their plight.....


"There's a sucker born every minute" P.T. Barnum (1810 – 1891),
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: TwoCatSam on March 15, 2009, 11:03:57 AM
Gents

This is the way I see it.

I have thought of something that I think might work, but I'm too lazy to test it so I'll call it a "Super System" and let some blokes test it for me.  If by chance one of them should win, I'll own a winning system.  If it's trash, I've wasted no time or effort.

Sam
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: MattyMattz on March 24, 2009, 10:32:29 AM
Simon and all,

I was testing this idea again (had some free time) and finally saw a loss.  As those who know the system can atest, a loss sets you way back.

Cheers,
Matt
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: See_Jerek on March 24, 2009, 11:15:45 AM
Quote from: MattyMattz on March 24, 2009, 10:32:29 AM
Simon and all,

I was testing this idea again (had some free time) and finally saw a loss.  As those who know the system can atest, a loss sets you way back.

Cheers,
Matt



Hi Matt,

This is one flaw in I forsee in Simon's system,it will be hard to recover but not impossible.
If you hit a loss early then its even harder to get even.
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: lucky_strike on March 24, 2009, 02:43:59 PM

lol every one has it and i don't hahaha well you all have my PM so use it, thanks LS
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: See_Jerek on March 24, 2009, 03:48:32 PM
Quote from: Lucky Strike on March 24, 2009, 02:43:59 PM
lol every one has it and I don't hahaha well you all have my PM so use it, thanks LS

;)

Hello LS,

Just side track a bit on that day you ask me for a 6 step progression
I would still go with 1/2/4/8/16/32,this is a classic,it works  ;D
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: lucky_strike on March 24, 2009, 05:03:38 PM

lol you just send me the that bullshit into my face  ;D

Yes i still don't know what is best, maybe 1 1 1 2 2 3 4 4 6 8 8 12 16 16 24 32 32 43 64 64 88  ;D

So are you sending me Simons method so i can test it or what  :o

LS
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: See_Jerek on March 24, 2009, 05:05:42 PM
Quote from: Lucky Strike on March 24, 2009, 05:03:38 PM
lol you just send me the that bullshit into my face  ;D

Yes I still don't know what is best, maybe 1 1 1 2 2 3 4 4 6 8 8 12 16 16 24 32 32 43 64 64 88  ;D

So are you sending me Simons method so I can test it or what  :o

LS


Send you a PM
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: lucky_strike on March 24, 2009, 05:24:50 PM
Quote
Send you a PM

OMG i only have to say lol what a load of xxxx after i read it  ;D

Cheers LS
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: See_Jerek on March 24, 2009, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: Lucky Strike on March 24, 2009, 05:24:50 PM
OMG I only have to say lol what a load of xxxx after I read it  ;D

Cheers LS

Hello LS,

Don't you wanna test it?
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: lucky_strike on March 24, 2009, 05:38:54 PM

No thanks.

But maybe you can test some thing for me ?

Cheers LS
Title: Re: Test Results - Simon's System
Post by: RouletteBR on June 02, 2009, 12:02:57 AM
Simon,

If you would like to have your system coded in RX to make some tests, i could help you. Feel free to send me a PM. You also can download my 1KK True-RGN list at the "Actuals/Performance" section, and test it by yourself.

Regards,
Luiz.