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I decided to open this poll in order to measure the perception some players have regarding subjective systems versus mechanical systems.

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[size=12]What is a subjective system ?[/size]

The easiest way to answer is to ask this question : have you ever looked into the eyes of a beautifull woman ? What\'s going on inside you at that very moment is subjective  [smiley=kiss.gif] but using a mechanical system you would need to measure if she shows this curve 36-24-36 to react. See the difference ?

With a subjective system you make one with the stream of datas and learn to appreciate its dance and, if you are gifted enough, even dance in perfect accord with it.

Is the outcome of roulette subjective or mechanical?  [smiley=Santa001.gif] [smiley=Santa001.gif] [smiley=Santa001.gif] [smiley=Santa001.gif]

It can be BOTH Spike.

If you only consider the raw number spun, then it is mechanical. But if you assign a special meaning to it, then the meaning is as subjective as what you attach to the number: i.e. a "lose" or a "win" for a particular system or bet selection; starting or ending a sequence of numerical events used as a signal to start or stop betting, etc.

Yes. It can be BOTH.  [smiley=wink.gif]

Actually, the outcome of roulette is always from a mechanical source. A wheel, an RNG, even drawing the numbers out of your pocket, its all mechanical. Thats why everybody erroneously thinks it can only be beaten by a mechanical system. [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] [smiley=Santa001.gif] [smiley=vrolijk_1.gif] [smiley=Santa001.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] [smiley=vrolijk_1.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

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QuoteThats why everybody erroneously thinks it can only be beaten by a mechanical system.

Arte is being one advocate for the Subjective, non-100%-mechanical, way to play. For sure there are others...

Cheers.

Even in a Subjective way, you will set up a fix set of rules in your brain, so it becomes mechanical. The only difference, is that you will use either one rule or the other, depending what is going on in the game, nothing that you cant writte donw though.

Subjective = mechanical

Cheers
JD.

Quoteyou will set up a fix set of rules in your brain, so it becomes mechanical

It's not rules in themselves which cause problems but who or what drives the hand placing the bet. Only a human brain can appreciate the dance executed by the duo Red and Black. Put the human out of the loop and i'll be able to predict the end results. Put the human at the center of activity and i won't be able to predict the end results. See the difference ?

Subjective = Intelligence and sensibility

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Quoteyou will set up a fix set of rules in your brain, so it becomes mechanical

It's not rules in themselves which cause problems but who or what drives the hand placing the bet. Only a human brain can appreciate the dance executed by the duo Red and Black. Put the human out of the loop and i'll be able to predict the end results. Put the human at the center of activity and i won't be able to predict the end results. See the difference ?

Subjective = Intelligence and sensibility

I'm thinking that success comes from neither "Subjective," "taking place within the mind and modified by individual bias," or "Mechanical," we all know what that is, rule based," but from the "objective."

Objective: "undistorted by emotion or personal bias; based on observable phenomena."

Objective: "undistorted by emotion or personal bias; based on observable phenomena."

Nice in theory but impossible for a normal human being.

"Outside here the followers of creeds
Place their confidence in views.
I don't approve of their teachings;
They are not skilled in the Dhamma."

QuoteObjective: "undistorted by emotion or personal bias; based on observable phenomena."

Nice in theory but impossible for a normal human being.

"Outside here the followers of creeds
Place their confidence in views.
I don't approve of their teachings;
They are not skilled in the Dhamma."

"The Dhamma, the truth taught by the Buddha, unfolds gradually. The Buddha made clear many times that Awakening does not occur like a bolt out of the blue to ..."

That's a funny quote about the Buddha, excluding the outsider's views for the skilled views of another. What part of an empty cup does that come from?

I find it a human failing to follow the evidence of your own self realization based on your own experiences having not considered that your understanding might be seen by others as more subjective and less objective. This level of understanding comes from life experience and is shown in the character of each of us. To declare it as impossible for a normal human being only leads me to believe that you must have many things to see in life yet to come.

QuoteTo declare it as impossible for a normal human being only leads me to believe that you must have many things to see in life yet to come

Maybe, i don't understand your point as your thoughts are not as clear as you would like them to be. Try to make yourself clear then i'll try to give you a clear and direct answer. If your thoughts are fuzzy thus will be my replies. If your thoughts are off-target thus will be my replies. If your thoughts are unclear thus will be my replies.

QuoteThe world is like a mirror; frown at it, and it frowns at you. Smile, and it smiles, too

— Herbert Samuel (1870-1963)

@Arteinvivo

Dear colleague, we could discuss is the system as " OMEGA V2000 ",   Treaty at

the Forum " FORUM CASINO Actualités casinos et casino en ligne "

nolinks://forum.casinos-jackpots.net/forum-roulette-vt2465.html

Since already thank you very much.

A greeting wisdom tooth, Edgardo

Edgardo is that method OMEGA V2000 good wish i could understand the forum >:(

Colega, en realidad, tampoco yo entiendo mucho, pero por lo poco que e ido sacando, parece ser un método ganador.

Lo que pasa, es que hablan muy poco de el, en la parte general del foro, las partes mas sustanciosas, las tratan en el Foro Privado.

Un saludo cordial, Edgardo.

Quote from: Edgardo on May 21, 2008, 09:36:42 PM
Colega, en realidad, tampoco yo entiendo mucho, pero por lo poco que e ido sacando, parece ser un método ganador.

Lo que pasa, es que hablan muy poco de el, en la parte general del foro, las partes mas sustanciosas, las tratan en el Foro Privado.

Un saludo cordial, Edgardo.

Hi Edgardo,

Here is some info about the method Omega 2000 :

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sur un cycle 56 boules...

2 numéros sortent 4x, en moyenne
3 numéros sortent 5x, 2 cycles sur 3
1 numéro sort 6x et plus, 1 cycle sur 6

L'hypothèse à la base de la méthode est qu'il est davantage concevable pour un joueur de gagner s'il augmente rapidement ses mises après un gain que s'il les augmentent après une perte. Le moyen de gagner consiste donc à attendre les phases positives en se servant d'un indicateur de tendance.

Le jeu se déroule lorsqu'une tendance positive sera confirmée.

6 groupes de 6 numéros sont suivis. La codage ou comptabilisation débute lorsqu'un numéro appartenant à un groupe donné sort.

Le jeu réel débute lorsqu'un groupe de 6 numéros atteint un résultat positif >= +78

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On a cycle 56 balls...

2 numbers leave 4x, on average
3 numbers leave 5x, 2 cycles out of 3
1 number leaves 6x and more, 1 cycle out of 6

L' assumption at the base of the method is qu' it is more conceivable for a player to gain s' it quickly increases its settings after a profit that s' it increase them after a loss. The means of gaining thus consists in awaiting the positive phases by serving d' an indicator of tendency.
The play proceeds lorsqu' a positive tendency will be confirmed. 6 groups of 6 numbers are followed. Coding or accounting begins lorsqu' a number pertaining to a given group leaves.
The real play begins lorsqu' a group of 6 numbers reaches a > positive test; = +78  ======================================

According to this is method based on repeaters and Hot numbers.
Someone knows more about it?

Here is the link to the original thread on French Forum :
nolinks://forum.casinos-jackpots.net/forum-roulette-vt2465.html (nolinks://forum.casinos-jackpots.net/forum-roulette-vt2465.html)
Here is the link to the test thread :
nolinks://forum.casinos-jackpots.net/forum-roulette-vt2862.html (nolinks://forum.casinos-jackpots.net/forum-roulette-vt2862.html)
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Another comments :

towards the GES OMEGA V2000 which I believe N is on sale and which gets approximately 30 parts per part of 56 balls; the capital recommended by L author is of 1000 parts but I think that to have a safety maximun especially if one adopts also a plan of capitalization it is to better envisage 2000 parts. on the other hand for L to have lengthily practised I can affirm that I N did not have a loss prolonged of capital with of this fork

J' heard speaks about this method (sixain//pleins/flat bets but nothing more. Can you document us more the forum wishes that, thank you d' advances,

hello, it S well D an attack which declanche on the full sixains and numbers WITH SMALL RISING IN PROFIT; the signal D attacks is done after a blow gaining in fiction. the results are regular and at least one knows how much balls one plays in a part (56). this method is logical because it benefits truly from the law of the third. I do not know if L author still sells it but with the surroundings 3000frs it were worth well this price taking into account the results that J could check AND WHO ARE INFINITELY MORE INTERESTING THAN ALL THESE METHODS CANS THAN L ONE PROPOSES has 2 OR 3000 EUROS; J speaks about it with full knowledge of the facts because since 7ans J very bought and N imports what and this for at least 20.000 euros of methods. I N am not very proud but at least I for it fell on two serious authors... L different being Andre rosard. IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT IF QUELQU ONE WANTS A METHOD I CAN INDICATE SUCH OF L AUTHOR TO HIM BUT IN NO CASE TO SELL OR PHOTOCOPY MINE; THE AUTHORS WHO MADE SERIOUS RESEARCH DESERVE AT LEAST THAT L ONE RESPECTS THEIR WORK;

Cheers,
JLP.-