NEWCOMERS TO THIS THREAD OR INDIVIDUALS THAT DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM YET PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING FIRST
I have put the system into a PDF file that explains the system in simple english (no roulette jargon or confusing terms) you can download that here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=354 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=354)
Once you've read that and feel as though you understand it, you can download and watch these two videos. The first video shows the system in action while showing how to track it (using RXtreme) and showing how much to bet using the bet calculator. The second video shows how to use this system in a land based casino (special thanks to Rpro and Simon, as I wouldn't have ever done this if it weren't for you guys).
Video 1: nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?dzwvdnzndn3 (nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?dzwvdnzndn3)
Video 2: (note that whats on the screen is this video would be your piece of paper in a land based casino, and filled in black blocks would be numbers crossed off. The numbers entered into the spreadsheet in this video are what number spin you're on NOT WHAT NUMBER WAS THROWN BY THE ROULETTE TABLE) nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?yg3jldy4iuy (nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?yg3jldy4iuy)
The bet calculator you'll see in video one (shows how to use it) can be downloaded here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=353 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=353)
I will try my best to explain this system (in words it sounds very difficult, but in practice it is quite easy):
You track twenty spins (the winning within 10 spins part will make sense in a minute) and wait until there are only 17 (or more) unique numbers (3 or less have repeated themselves). Here is an example of 17 unique numbers:
29 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 1
16 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 2
15 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 3
7 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 4
24 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 5
20 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 6
34 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 7
25 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 8
5 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 9
11 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 10
15 (appeared twice) - unique numbers = 10
17 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 11
11 (appeared twice) - unique numbers = 11
20 (appeared twice) - unique numbers = 11
4 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 12
13 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 13
9 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 14
0 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 15
26 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 16
31 (appeared once) - unique numbers = 17
You then continue tracking and wait until another number repeats itself (it can either be a number that has appeared once appearing twice, or a number that has appeared twice appearing 3 times. . . any repeat at all. . . in simpler terms any time "unique numbers count" doesn't increase) and you bet on all the numbers that have appeared up until that point (singles, doubles, triples...any number at all).
If you win you then retrack the last twenty numbers and if there are 17 or more unique numbers start the process over.
If you lose, you clear all your bets and wait until another number repeats itself (the unique numbers count doesn't go up) and then you bet on all the numbers that have appeared up until that point again. You continue doing this until you have either won or you have tracked thirty-one spins (if you get to spin thirty and you're supposed to bet you do). If you get to thirty-one spins and haven't won you start over again.
The amount you bet on each number should always be enough to just get you back to a profit. There is no set progession. The formula I use is as follows (you have to place your bets, then do the calcualtion, adjust the bets if the formula says its necessary then spin the wheel)
(bankroll at start of betting session - (current bankroll - current bet layout)/30=Bet Amount (rounded up to the nearest whole dollar) I have attached the bet calculator in the form of an excel file for ease of calculation.
Also, let's say you have already lost a bet or two and you are now at $2 on each number and you lose that bet. I mentioned earlier that you place your bets, then do the calculation, and then adjust bets if necessary. Well, after you have cleared the screen of your bets and you find you have to place new bets, the bet amount on each number has to be the same dollar amount as it was the last time you bet. So you lost your two dollar on each number bet and you clear the screen and go a few more spins and find you have to place new bets. You place $2 on each number (because that's how much you were betting on each number the last time you bet) and then you do the calculation using the formula provided. This keeps the "current bet layout" part of the formula accurate when you have made new additions to your bet layout.
I say rounded up to the nearest whole dollar because I live in the US and I haven't found a casino online that allows me to bet less than one dollar (so my bets are always in whole dollars).
I have now played this system for 650 spins and I have only gone past tracking thirty-one spins once. My wins were more than enough to make up for that one loss. Because you aren't betting every single spin the progression in bets isn't that steep, and there is a built in stop loss.
I use roulette extremes "Wheel Frequency" tracker to keep track of the spins because of how ridiculously easy it makes it. For those of you who want to try this system and don't have roulette extreme I will have an excel based tracker for you shortly. For those of you have roulette extreme and don't know what the "wheel frequency" tracker is it is under statistics and then wheel frequency. I then click the radio button that says "calculate statistics using the last X amount of spins"
Since I'm a newb I hope you guys don't just write this off because I'm telling you it works, and it works very very well. I hope you guys give it a shot and post your findings! If you lose the very first time, trust me keep going. The wins make up for the losses ten fold!
Oh, one more thing. There is ONE exception to the "don't go past thirty-one spins" rule. If you have bet 3 or less times (and lost all three or less times) and you have gotten to spin thirty you then follow the system out to spin thirty-seven. That is the only exception. So far anyway. Please, I would love to hear some feedback from anybody who has tried it.
In case anybody is wondering if I just pulled this out of the air, I didn't. I used to play another system that I came up with and I played it at Mt. Airy Casino and Mohegan Sun (Pocono Downs) ( I live in Northeastern PA) and I was up about $7,000. The system was playing every single number that came out. So, if spin 1 was a 22 I would place a chip on 22. Next number was 34, I would place a chip on 34. That system was based on the fact that in 37 spins 37 different numbers would never come out. I learned the very very hard way however that steep progressions (by the time you get to 17 different numbers I think it $65 on each number, or maybe $75 on each number for a total bet of around $1200) that you lose any money made very quickly. I lost that $7,000 plus 2k of my own in two days when it went 17 spins without a double two days in a row my first time at the machine (we don't have real tables in PA, only Bally's TouchBet Machines).
So, I decided to come up with something better. In 37 spins of the wheel I personally haven't ever seen more than 26 unique numbers come out (I'm positive that there can be more unique numbers than that, but I haven't see it so it must be pretty rare). So if by the time you get to spin twenty there are 17 unique numbers (3 doubles have happened) that means you still have another 8 doubles that are likely to happen. Five of those doubles can come out before spin thirty in my system without you winning only if it went like this (in a perfect pattern, which we all know roulette wheels don't often. . . if ever. . . produce perfect patterns)
spin 21 - double (place bets) now 4 doubles have appeared
spin 22 - unique (lost)
spin 23 - double (place bets) now 5 doubles have appeared
spin 24 - unique (lost)
spin 25 - double (place bets) now 6 doubles have appeared
spin 26 - unique (lost)
spin 27 - double (place bets) now 7 doubles have appeared
spin 28 - unique (lost)
spin 29 - double (place bets) now 8 doubles have appeared
spin 30 - unique (lost)
Then you still have another 3 doubles likely to happen which could be triples or quads. So there you go, there is the logic behind this system. But what's better than logic is the extensive testing I have done on this system. I will continue testing and post my results (positive or negative) with the spins and betting so you guys can check it out.
Alright, last request before I shut up and let you guys check this out. If you have a bad experience (or positive) please post your results so I can see if I'm setting myself for a big loss. As I said I pretty much play this system exclusively as I haven't had a bad experience, but I will certainly change my tune if somebody out there tests it and finds out it can really be a serious dud and I've just been getting lucky.
I appreciate it guys!
Hello rj
I will certainly test it a.s.a.p and will report here good and bad.
Thank you for your post
TSK
Excellent, thanks spider!
This seems somewhat similiar to the G.U.T. except that you are betting on a crossing not happening instead of happening. I like it a lot, and plan to test it out. Great post rj! Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: RPro75 link=topic=8929. msg54300#msg54300 date=1242003130
This seems somewhat similiar to the G. U. T. except that you are betting on a crossing not happening instead of happening. I like it a lot, and plan to test it out. Great post rj! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks a lot Rpro, I hope to hear you have great results! Not to get off topic but I have read the post by winkel G. U. T or Great Universal Theory post numerous times and (I hope I don't come across dense here) I can't figure out how to bet using that system. If you (or somebody else) could point me in the right direction to get more concise information on how to bet so I can test that system out I would sincerely appreciate it!
Maybe I missed this but what happens if you track 20 spins and there are less than 17 unique numbers? Do you continue tracking until there are 17 within the last 20 spins? Do you track 20 more spins and hope for 17 unique numbers? Do you keep going until you have 17 unique numbers and then bet?
So far I've done this twice and hit on my first spin both times. The only downside I am seeing right now is that it is hard to track in the alloted time between bets if you are playing auto roulette like I do or if you are playing a real table at a B & M casino. Can you clue us in on any tips as to how you do your tracking? I think this has real potential if I could track and get my bet in time. If you play online RNG, it shouldn't be a problem. Do you have a tracker or a graph that helps you to keep track you could share with us?
Quote from: RPro75 link=topic=8929. msg54309#msg54309 date=1242004069
Maybe I missed this but what happens if you track 20 spins and there are less than 17 unique numbers? Do you continue tracking until there are 17 within the last 20 spins? Do you track 20 more spins and hope for 17 unique numbers? Do you keep going until you have 17 unique numbers and then bet?
If there are less than 17 numbers in the last 20 spins you would just continue tracking the last 20 spins until there are 17 or more unique numbers. You do not need to track a whole new 20 spins, you would remove whatever number came up on spin 1 and add whatever number came up on spin 21 (so you still have twenty numbers, it's just the last twenty spins that have come out). I apoligize for the great detail, I'm not being condescending, I'm just trying to be as accurate as possible.
I currently use Roulette Xtremes "Wheel Frequency" for tracking, but I will have an excel based tracker shortly for those of you who do not have Roulette Xtreme.
Quote from: RPro75 link=topic=8929. msg54310#msg54310 date=1242004667
So far I've done this twice and hit on my first spin both times. The only downside I am seeing right now is that it is hard to track in the alloted time between bets if you are playing auto roulette like I do or if you are playing a real table at a B & M casino. Can you clue us in on any tips as to how you do your tracking? I think this has real potential if I could track and get my bet in time. If you play online RNG, it shouldn't be a problem. Do you have a tracker or a graph that helps you to keep track you could share with us?
I was originally going to post an excel tracker for those of you who don't have roulette xtreme, but I found this tracker in the downloads section of this forum. It's called track4. exe The link to download it is hxxp: vlsroulette. com/index. php?action=downloads;sa=downfile;id=307
Open the program and it says enter number then press enter. . . . enter -1 to go back to the last 20 spins entered. . . enter -2 to undo last entry
You'll push 6 if the number 6 came out and push enter (repeat that process for any numbers to follow) and above all the numbers you've entered you'll see this:
0: (any numbers that haven't appeared)
1: (any numbers after this have appeared once)
2: (any numbers after this have appeared twice)
3: (any numbers after this have appeared three times)
>3: (any numbers after this have appeared four times) All you have to do to figure your unique numbers is subtract the number of #'s that appear anywhere below row one from what number spin your on. So, for example, the screen shows the following:
0: 3 4 6 9 11 13 15 17 18 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 29 34 35 36
1: 0 2 5 7 10 12 14 19 27 28 30 31 32 33
2: 1 8 16
3:
>3:
spin 10: 1
spin 11: 19
spin 12: 16
spin 13: 31
spin 14: 27
spin 15: 2
spin 16: 7
spin 17: 12
spin 18: 30
spin 19: 5
spin 20: 33 So I'm on spin twenty according to the tracker (it only keeps the last ten spins onscreen but will track all thirty-seven spins, that's why spin one through nine aren't there) and there are 3 numbers that are in row 2. So I subtract that number from the number spin I'm on (20) giving me 17 unique numbers. You also have the option to count every number up there and that will also give you the amount of unique numbers but this just seems faster to me.
Thanks for sharing your system....sounds very good....
When you lost one session how many units did you lose?
In other words how many wins are required to compensate for one loss?
Quote from: Bazeegar link=topic=8929. msg54318#msg54318 date=1242007014
Thanks for sharing your system. . . . sounds very good. . . .
When you lost one session how many units did you lose?
In other words how many wins are required to compensate for one loss?
It's hard to say exactly how many wins are required to compensate for one loss as you win a different amount each time you win. . . you also would lose a different amount each time it were to go past thirty-one spins. How much I lost I unfortunately don't know because I never saved any of my sessions in roulette xtreme. I do know however that even when I lost I was still up three or four hundred units (sorry for my lack of detail here, but whenever I find a system that seems to be working I get this stupid idea in my head that I won't ever lose :diablo: so I start being lazy with keeping the details. ) However ever since that one loss I have been logging and saving my sessions and will post the results when I get to spin 1000.
Thanks for quick reply mate....I will wait for your results of 1000 spins...All the best :good:...
I am currently having the Perfect Balance System coded for roulette xtreme, the only difference being I had the programmer change the bet amounts (to something I came up with) as well as always betting the zero.
I am going to have this one coded for Roulette Xtreme too if I get a lot of positive feedback from you guys about it, this way we can all see just when (if ever...haha) it fails to a point of having a negative br, and if there is a way to better the betting strategy or the stop loss point to make this a super system. If I do have it coded (due to positive feedback from you guys and your testing results) I will upload the .dgt under the name "Ten Spins to Win".
Happy Spinning!
I have attached in the form of an excel spreadsheet my results using this system. The spins (if any of you would like to verify) were downloaded from "Spielbank Casino Wiesbaden Spins" using the download spins feature in roulette xtreme (downloaded from date 5/10/09 to 5/10/09) and were combined into one file upon downloading. Upon uploading this spreadsheet I am currently 282 spins into it, with a total profit of $145 and the units I'm using are worth one dollar. So, if each unit were worth $2 I would have almost a $300 profit.
There was not a single loss, and my bet units on each number never went above 2 on each number. You will notice there are times when there is a big gap without betting (sometimes a full thirty-seven spins to get 17 unique numbers within twenty spins) and other times almost no gap at all. Enjoy and I can't wait to see your results!
This is definitely a really good system. I need to develop some tracking charts to make it easy to play in the casino and I know I can make some $$ with this!
HI
The excel file doesn't open. Can you please repost!
Cheers
oz
Quote from: ozshabs on May 11, 2009, 02:06:04 AM
HI
The excel file doesn't open. Can you please repost!
Cheers
oz
Absolutely, no problem. To avoid any problems I re-formatted the file to a tab delimited .txt file so everybody should be able to view it.
Hi rjeaton, have you tested this with just flat betting and/or for example just going for a one or two bet hit and win or lose start again? I play only at real wheels, I'm sure I would be able to keep accurate record of spins, unique numbers and repeaters, etc, but I would not be able to use any kind of computer calculations and I would rather not progress bets anyway and basically I am lazy and would just like to keep the system as simple as possible. I like the logic of the system and just started testing it on my real spin data but was just going to look at flat betting it for up to two spins and move on or something like that, can that work and have you tried any form of flat betting the system?
Hi Rjeaton1,
Have you played this on RNG as well as a live wheel ?
If you did were the results the same or did they vary ?
Kind Regards,
Davemd.
Quote from: simon on May 11, 2009, 10:20:07 AM
Hi rjeaton, have you tested this with just flat betting and/or for example just going for a one or two bet hit and win or lose start again? I play only at real wheels, I'm sure I would be able to keep accurate record of spins, unique numbers and repeaters, etc, but I would not be able to use any kind of computer calculations and I would rather not progress bets anyway and basically I am lazy and would just like to keep the system as simple as possible. I like the logic of the system and just started testing it on my real spin data but was just going to look at flat betting it for up to two spins and move on or something like that, can that work and have you tried any form of flat betting the system?
I haven't actually tried this system flat betting, so as far as whether or not it would work I'm not sure. In the tab delimited file I uploaded I never got past betting two units on each number, so in that instance I guess it would have worked, but that doesn't always happen (obviously) and I'm not sure what comes more often, a win before going beyond 2 units on each number or a win coming after the units have gone beyond 2 on each number. I'll have to check that out against my data once I finish the 1000 spins I'm working on and I will definitely let you know.
Quote from: Davemd on May 11, 2009, 10:21:11 AM
Hi Rjeaton1,
Have you played this on RNG as well as a live wheel ?
If you did were the results the same or did they vary ?
Kind Regards,
Davemd.
Well, when I originally began testing this system I was just using the numbers that were thrown by Roulette Xtreme (RNG) and that is when I hadn't gone past thirty-one spins (except for one time) in 650 spins. I am now working on testing this system against spins from a B&M casino (as long as that's what the spins I downloaded are from anyway..."Spielbank Casino Wiesbaden Spins") and the results I have had thus far I uploaded in the form of a .txt file. It seems as of now that the results are pretty much the same as what I experienced with the RNG.
305 spins +181 units Didn't go to thirty-one spins, but I did have to quit two or three times due to me betting and then a double turning into a triple. What I did when I had to quit because of that was start my betting progression off at the same place I left off when I lost due to a double turning into a triple. The result? No loss of BR at all so far without having to go ridiculously deep into any sort of betting progression. The spins I have posted below:
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 5000
1 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
2 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
3 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
4 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
5 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
6 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
7 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
8 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
9 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
10 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
11 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
12 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
13 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
14 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
15 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
16 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
17 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
18 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
19 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
20 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
21 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5000
22 15 Bet 13 0 -13 -13 4987 "1 : 2,3,9,16,17,21,22,23,24,25,26,34,0"
23 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4987
24 15 Bet 13 0 -13 -13 4974 "1 : 2,3,9,16,17,21,22,23,24,25,26,34,0"
25 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4974
26 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4974
27 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4974
28 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4974
29 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4974
30 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4974
31 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4974
32 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4974
33 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4974
34 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4974
35 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4974
36 21 Bet 30 72 -30 42 5016 "2 : 1,2,3,6,7,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,34,35,0"
37 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5016
38 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5016
39 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5016
40 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5016
41 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5016
42 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5016
43 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5016
44 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5016
45 28 Bet 14 0 -14 -14 5002 "1 : 2,6,7,8,10,11,20,21,22,23,26,29,34,35"
46 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5002
47 0 Bet 14 0 -14 -14 4988 "1 : 2,6,8,10,11,15,20,21,22,23,26,29,34,35"
48 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4988
49 28 Bet 28 0 -28 -28 4960 "2 : 2,6,8,10,11,15,20,22,23,26,29,34,35,0"
50 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
51 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
52 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
53 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
54 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
55 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
56 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
57 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
58 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
59 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
60 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
61 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
62 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
63 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
64 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
65 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
66 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
67 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
68 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
69 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
70 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
71 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
72 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
73 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
74 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
75 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
76 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
77 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
78 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4960
79 24 Bet 45 0 -45 -45 4915 "3 : 1,2,3,4,6,7,15,17,18,31,32,33,34,35,36"
80 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4915
81 19 Bet 60 0 -60 -60 4855 "4 : 1,2,3,4,6,7,15,17,18,24,31,32,34,35,36"
82 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 4855
83 17 Bet 120 288 -120 168 5023 "8 : 1,3,4,6,7,15,17,18,19,24,31,32,34,35,36"
84 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5023
85 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5023
86 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5023
87 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5023
88 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5023
89 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5023
90 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5023
91 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5023
92 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5023
93 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5023
94 30 Bet 13 0 -13 -13 5010 "1 : 2,3,5,6,9,18,19,23,24,28,34,35,0"
95 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5010
96 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5010
97 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5010
98 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5010
99 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5010
100 18 Bet 34 72 -34 38 5048 "2 : 2,3,4,5,8,9,12,18,19,23,24,28,29,30,34,35,0"
101 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5048
102 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5048
103 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5048
104 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5048
105 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5048
106 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5048
107 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5048
108 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5048
109 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5048
110 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5048
111 19 Bet 13 0 -13 -13 5035 "1 : 1,3,4,7,8,9,12,15,16,23,28,30,0"
112 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5035
113 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5035
114 15 Bet 14 36 -14 22 5057 "1 : 1,3,4,5,7,8,9,15,16,19,23,28,30,0"
115 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5057
116 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5057
117 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5057
118 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5057
119 17 Bet 14 36 -14 22 5079 "1 : 3,6,7,8,9,12,13,16,17,18,19,28,29,0"
120 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
121 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
122 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
123 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
124 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
125 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
126 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
127 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
128 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
129 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
130 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
131 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
132 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
133 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
134 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
135 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
136 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5079
137 31 Bet 13 36 -13 23 5102 "1 : 5,7,8,9,11,13,15,20,23,24,25,31,34"
138 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
139 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
140 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
141 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
142 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
143 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
144 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
145 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
146 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
147 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
148 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
149 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
150 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
151 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
152 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
153 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
154 20 Bet 13 0 -13 -13 5089 "1 : 3,6,8,12,15,21,22,24,25,27,28,30,34"
155 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
156 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
157 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
158 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
159 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
160 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
161 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
162 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
163 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
164 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
165 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
166 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
167 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
168 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
169 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
170 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
171 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
172 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
173 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
174 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
175 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
176 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
177 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
178 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
179 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
180 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
181 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
182 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
183 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
184 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
185 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
186 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
187 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
188 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
189 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
190 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
191 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
192 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
193 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
194 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
195 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
196 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
197 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
198 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
199 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
200 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
201 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
202 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
203 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
204 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
205 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
206 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
207 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
208 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
209 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
210 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
211 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
212 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
213 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
214 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
215 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
216 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
217 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
218 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
219 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
220 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
221 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
222 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
223 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
224 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
225 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
226 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
227 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
228 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
229 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
230 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5089
231 14 Bet 13 0 -13 -13 5076 "1 : 2,4,6,9,17,18,21,23,24,25,26,27,0"
232 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5076
233 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5076
234 36 Bet 30 72 -30 42 5118 "2 : 2,4,6,9,14,17,18,21,23,24,25,26,27,36,0"
235 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
236 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
237 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
238 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
239 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
240 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
241 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
242 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
243 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
244 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
245 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
246 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
247 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
248 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
249 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
250 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
251 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
252 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
253 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
254 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
255 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
256 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
257 36 Bet 16 0 -16 -16 5102 "1 : 2,3,6,9,10,11,16,21,23,24,26,28,29,30,32,0"
258 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5102
259 11 Bet 28 72 -28 44 5146 "2 : 2,3,6,9,10,11,24,26,28,29,30,32,36,0"
260 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
261 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
262 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
263 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
264 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
265 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
266 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
267 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
268 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
269 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
270 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
271 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
272 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
273 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
274 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5146
275 9 Bet 13 0 -13 -13 5133 "1 : 1,2,3,10,11,17,19,22,23,25,29,30,31"
276 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5133
277 13 Bet 13 0 -13 -13 5120 "1 : 1,2,3,9,10,11,17,19,22,23,25,29,31"
278 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5120
279 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5120
280 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5120
281 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5120
282 31 Bet 32 72 -32 40 5160 "2 : 1,2,3,9,10,11,13,14,15,18,19,22,23,25,29,31"
283 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5160
284 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5160
285 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5160
286 27 Bet 15 0 -15 -15 5145 "1 : 1,2,3,9,13,14,15,18,19,25,28,29,33,34,36"
287 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5145
288 12 Bet 32 0 -32 -32 5113 "2 : 1,2,3,9,13,14,15,18,19,25,27,28,29,33,34,36"
289 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5113
290 23 Bet 48 0 -48 -48 5065 "3 : 1,3,9,12,13,14,15,18,19,25,27,28,29,33,34,36"
291 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5065
292 14 Bet 80 180 -80 100 5165 "5 : 1,3,9,12,13,14,15,18,19,23,27,28,29,33,34,36"
293 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5165
294 16 Bet 15 0 -15 -15 5150 "1 : 1,2,6,9,12,13,15,18,23,25,27,30,33,34,36"
295 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5150
296 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5150
297 31 Bet 32 0 -32 -32 5118 "2 : 1,2,6,9,12,13,16,18,22,23,25,27,30,33,34,36"
298 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
299 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
300 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
301 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
302 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5118
303 7 Bet 42 0 -42 -42 5076 "3 : 1,2,6,8,14,15,16,17,22,23,25,27,29,33"
304 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 5076
305 14 Bet 75 180 -75 105 5181 "5 : 1,2,6,7,8,14,15,16,17,22,23,25,27,29,33"
question-- why are you including repeaters as unique numbers? example-- in your explanation of the system when the 15 repeats you say the count of unique numbers stops and you keep the count at 10, as you do anytime a number repeats, you stop the count and continue it with the next unique number. I understand why you do not ADD one to the count of unique numbers when a number repeats, but why aren't you also DEDUCTING one from the count? For example in your explanation before the first repeater number 15 hits, there were 10 unique numbers. Then the 15 hits and you keep the count at 10. But in fact the 15 is no longer a unique number (a number which has not repeated, and we will be betting for numbers that have not repeated to repeat, correct?) When the 15 hits you no longer have 10 unique numbers, you have 9 (all the previous numbers 29 through 11, but not the 15, = 9 unique numbers not 10.) I would think that every time a number repeats we would have to deduct one from the running count of unique numbers, wouldn't we? Please advise. thanks!!
Excellent question simon!
I guess I kind of screwed up during my explanation. The reason you don't subtract is because although 15 hit twice it still is being counted towards that amount of numbers that have come out. It's just only counted once instead of twice. Small example:
1 - unique numbers count = 1
5 - unique numbers count = 2
3 - unique numbers count = 3
1 - unique numbers count = 3 (the reason we don't subtract 1 here is because then we would basically be saying the number 1 never came out at all. At this point 3 different numbers HAVE come out, it's just that one of them repeated itself, but the first time it came out it was still unique so we can't remove it from the count as if it never happened. We just won't be betting on the number one when betting time comes because it has doubled)
6 - unique numbers count = 4
9 - unique numbers count = 5
Basically, in the simplest of terms, the system is waiting until spin twenty and there are 3 doubles (I.E. 17 numbers have come out) and then not betting until another number doubles and then betting on all the numbers that haven't doubled. So basically your betting with the hope that there will be a number that doubled two times in a row. I hope this explanation helps!
Within the next two hours or so I will be posting a link to a video on youtube that shows how this system is played. You'll see how I track the spins (with roulette xtreme), how I do the calculations for the bet amount, and how the bets are placed. The spins I will be using I will download from a B & M casino and I will do that all on screen so everybody can see how this is done. The video will be posted regardless of good or bad results, just so everybody can see how this is done. The only modification I will make while playing the system in the video is that when a bet trigger comes out (a number doubles or triples) I will play every number that has come out up until that point, not just the unique ones. Hope you guys enjoy it, and it should answer all the questions everybody has about the system, and it should definintely allow for all of you guys to help to make the system even better!!
Thanks RJ that would be cool
TSK
You are taking some efforts man :thumbsup:
the hg will be revealed on youtube? I'm not sure if I'm happy about that. well ok looking forward to it... thanx...
Well, I've decided not to post this video to YouTube simply because I don't people outside of our little community (I know I'm newly registered but I've been coming to this forum as a guest for about a month now) to be able to see something that they have not given any input on.
The thing is the video is only ten minutes long but as promised the spins are downloaded (onscreen in the video) from a B & M Casino (no cut away shots) and then I go through 53 spins onscreen for a profit of +75 units. The funny part is I just downloaded the spins as I was making the video (as you'll see) so whatever was going to happen was just as much a surprise to me as it will be to you. I didn't lose once, and again I never went above 2 units on each number. But it is 65 mb, so I'm going to zip it using WinRar (if you don't have WinRar google it and download it, it's a tiny file) and will upload it in about ten minutes. I hope you guys check this out because it spells everthing out very clearly, and I would love some input from somebody that's tried it!
Thanks so much for all your effort rjeaton1. I'll admit I'm still a little lost on when to start betting and what exactly "don't go past 31 spins" means. Does it mean after we get our 17 uniques out of 20, we don't go further than 31 (11 more spins) to get our win, we start over tracking the last 20 spins? Don't mean to sound too dense :P
Hopefully the vid will clear everything up.
Crystal
QuoteWell, I've decided not to post this video to YouTube simply because I don't people outside of our little community (I know I'm newly registered but I've been coming to this forum as a guest for about a month now) to be able to see something that they have not given any input on.
............. good
when I google winrar there are lots of listings, some want $, some say free download, at rarsoft.com there are various versions, I picked the top one and when I went to open the program after I downloaded it I get security warning that says "...unknown publisher... file does not have valid digital signature that verifies its publisher..." I'm sure it's ok but I get a little spooked, my computer is a little shaky as is... just want to ask is it ok to download the program from rarsoft.com or is there some other site you recommend to download the program from?
It was actually because of you Simon and your comment that actually spurred some thought in me and I decided your thought was better than mine. So what I have done is uploaded the video to Media Fire (as it is too large to upload here, even though I zipped it) and I have pasted the link to download it from media fire here. It is an unshared link (so it's not public like it is on YouTube, it's just viewable by anybody I show the link to directly). The link is as follows: nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b320ba1087b5a97400d27174b47c6657610566106265cacdb8eada0a1ae8665a
If that link comes out all jumbled like they normally do I have also uploaded a .txt file with the link pasted in it so you can just easily copy and paste it from the .txt file to your browser.
I hope to hear what you guys come up with!
It is absolutely safe to download the program from rarsoft.com, that is actually the only site that you should download it from. Just so you know it's a safe program you can do the following:
Act as if you are going to do a new post and where you get the option to attach a new file at the bottom of your post (right before you hit post) it says allowed file types: pdf, doc, gif, jpg, odf, png, txt, zip, rar, xls, docx, xslx
The rar one can only be opened by WinRar (I think, maybe WinZip can open it too, but I doubt it). WinRar is just a competing software to WinZip but you won't ever have to buy it.
Quote from: celiza427 on May 11, 2009, 09:10:49 PM
Thanks so much for all your effort rjeaton1. I'll admit I'm still a little lost on when to start betting and what exactly "don't go past 31 spins" means. Does it mean after we get our 17 uniques out of 20, we don't go further than 31 (11 more spins) to get our win, we start over tracking the last 20 spins? Don't mean to sound too dense :P
Hopefully the vid will clear everything up.
Crystal
Hey no problem! It's all about sharing and hopefully creating something better (or finding out it's perfect..haha). But anyway, to answer your question (because in the video I don't make it past 31 spins) your explanation is absolutely correct. But it's actually 10 spins because you can't possibly place a bet until spin 21. So you have from spin 21 to 31 to win. The reason you can't place a bet on spin 20 is because even if you have 17 uniques on spin 20 you can't place bet because a trigger hasnt' happened. A trigger is when a unique number turns into a double, and the trigger doesn't count if it happens on spin 20.
Yeah my mind slipped on waiting for another repeater before betting on the unhit #'s. Thanks again, it's becoming clearer but I'm going to go watch your vid and hope that the light bulb shines at full power instead of a little flicker every couple seconds lol
Hi rj
Been looking at this thread for a while.
Downloaded the video, going to watch it tomorrow. Going to work soon.
Thanks for everything.
Will give you feedback soon..
TTT
Hey, just watched the video - quick question. Did you change the way you bet? At first it seemed you bet on only #'s that were not repeated ie. 1 hit numbers, but in the video you bet on all the numbers that appeared even if they were repeats. Did I miss an alteration you made?
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 11, 2009, 04:41:03 PM
Within the next two hours or so I will be posting a link to a video on youtube that shows how this system is played. You'll see how I track the spins (with roulette xtreme), how I do the calculations for the bet amount, and how the bets are placed. The spins I will be using I will download from a B & M casino and I will do that all on screen so everybody can see how this is done. The video will be posted regardless of good or bad results, just so everybody can see how this is done. The only modification I will make while playing the system in the video is that when a bet trigger comes out (a number doubles or triples) I will play every number that has come out up until that point, not just the unique ones. Hope you guys enjoy it, and it should answer all the questions everybody has about the system, and it should definintely allow for all of you guys to help to make the system even better!!
Good eye Celiza! (you obviously didn't see the post above and you still caught that I was doing something differently, so you must understand the system) But anyway, yes I did make a small modification to betting on every number that has appeared up until and including the spin I'm on. The reason behind that small change is because I noticed that whenever I did make it past 31 spins (happened to me a couple more times since my post about the only happening once in 650 spins) that it was because of a double turning into a triple. I haven't ever gone past 31 spins because of a perfect pattern of double, unique, double, unique (etc.).
I think this system is great and may be just what I need to develop some real steady income. I am having problems coming up with a way to show me the bets easily on paper. The hard part of using this system in a B & M casino is that it requires you to do some counting and then make a large inside number bet. I know I will run out of time before I can implement this system. I need to make a tracking sheet that would be easy to isolate the bets and track the last 20 spins so I know when I have 17 or more unique numbers so then I may wait for the trigger. Anybody have ideas or want to help me with this?
Rjeaton,
You can put your video at megaupload.com and then it gets automagically linked to megavideo.com for everyone to see.
(Large files allowed :thumbsup:)
Victor
RPro75
QuoteI need to make a tracking sheet that would be easy to isolate the bets and track the last 20 spins so I know when I have 17 or more unique numbers so then I may wait for the trigger. Anybody have ideas or want to help me with this?
The chart you have is good enough, just replace the X's with the actual spin number. That way you see what spin your on and how many times a number hit all in one chart.
Hope this helps.
TTT
Sweet, glad I seem to finally have a handle on this thing :shout: I was at work so I had to minimize the forum a lot haha
I'm off to test this. . . RouletteXtreme does seem to be the easiest visual way to track this so I think I'll give that a go. I'll update my results later. Thanks for all the help RJ!
Crystal
I am having trouble viewing the movie. I installed the wrar program and when I try and open the video clip by double clicking it inside the WinRAR widow my Windows Media Player opens and then I get a little window that says "Windows Media Player cannot play the file. The Player might not support the file type or a required codec might not be installed on your computer." Any advice?
I suggest downloading VLC media player. It plays almost any video file available, I use it quite often with no problems.
thanx celiza, I tried it but it just played the video real fast and crazy, I guess I will just stick to the written instructions or maybe rjeat can post it to megaupload.com as victor suggested.
Quote from: simon on May 11, 2009, 11:29:49 PM
I am having trouble viewing the movie. I installed the wrar program and when I try and open the video clip by double clicking it inside the WinRAR widow my Windows Media Player opens and then I get a little window that says "Windows Media Player cannot play the file. The Player might not support the file type or a required codec might not be installed on your computer." Any advice?
May be try to extract the file on your hard disc....
You probably don't have the right codecs then. Get the K Lite Codec pack and use the Media Player Classic that comes with it and the video should play smoothly.
Quote from: TicTacToe on May 11, 2009, 10:54:53 PM
RPro75
The chart you have is good enough, just replace the X's with the actual spin number. That way you see what spin your on and how many times a number hit all in one chart.
Hope this helps.
TTT
Ahhh, I see. :ok: The good old mind just needed a little coaxing on that one. Thanks TTT.
Quote from: simon on May 11, 2009, 11:29:49 PM
I am having trouble viewing the movie. I installed the wrar program and when I try and open the video clip by double clicking it inside the WinRAR widow my Windows Media Player opens and then I get a little window that says "Windows Media Player cannot play the file. The Player might not support the file type or a required codec might not be installed on your computer." Any advice?
Hey there Simon, just in case you haven't gotten to see the video yet (and I noticed in a post below the one I've just quoted you got the VLC Player but it plays "fast and crazy") I uploaded it to Mega Video (uploaded as private, will provide the link as soon as the site finishes converting it). However, in the meantime I can give you a quick walkthrough on how to get it to play properly on your computer (it's really easy...I promise)
First go ahead and locate the ten spins to win.rar file you downloaded (I don't know what folder you downloaded it to, but for all intensive purposes lets say you downloaded it My Documents)
Now go ahead and double click the ten spins to win.rar file
(WinRar opens up and you see the monday may 11th roulette video.avi file inside the WinRar program)
Now go ahead and locate the gold folder on the top left of the WinRar Program window that says "Extract To"...now click it
(a window pops up that says "destination path (will be created if does not exist).....................display")
directly beneath the display button you'll see a whole bunch of file folders and stuff but at the very top of the list you'll see the word "desktop"...click the word desktop once
At the bottom of the window you'll an OK button right next to a Cancel Button...click the the OK button
WinRar will now begin extracting and decompressing the file. When it finishes just go ahead and close WinRar completely
Now on your desktop should be the monday may 11th roulette video.avi
Since you've already download the VLC Player just go ahead and double click the .avi file and you should be good to go!
Hope this helps!
Quote from: RPro75 on May 11, 2009, 10:39:43 PM
I think this system is great and may be just what I need to develop some real steady income. I am having problems coming up with a way to show me the bets easily on paper. The hard part of using this system in a B & M casino is that it requires you to do some counting and then make a large inside number bet. I know I will run out of time before I can implement this system. I need to make a tracking sheet that would be easy to isolate the bets and track the last 20 spins so I know when I have 17 or more unique numbers so then I may wait for the trigger. Anybody have ideas or want to help me with this?
Thanks a lot for the compliment there Rpro, I hope that you adding this system to your arsenal will make sure you're a big time winner. Seems as though so far you've been having good results...anybody else out there give this system a go yet? If so definitely looking to hearing your thoughts (and possibly improvements)
Quote from: hot vegas night on May 12, 2009, 04:32:28 AM
Now this is a great system, even better then mine was.
Hmmmm...
Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on May 12, 2009, 06:46:30 AM
Hmmmm...
I was probably thinking something along the same lines there spider...
Anyway, any news from you testers?
Hello RJ
3 sessions in and won all 3 within 4 spins.Nice!
will bring more later
TSK
Quote from: hot vegas night on May 12, 2009, 11:07:29 AM
This system is so good, I might go ahead and market it on Ebay. :yahoo:
Wow you really are as big a dickhead as you look!!!!
TSK
Quote from: hot vegas night on May 12, 2009, 11:07:29 AM
This system is so good, I might go ahead and market it on Ebay. :yahoo:
Wow, you would openly admit that you would steal someone else's system, that they spent many hours,days,months etc perfecting to make a profit? It is not yours to sell. RJ intended it for personal use for the members of this forum and unless HE decides to do otherwise that is how it should stay IMO.
Back to the overall topic, haven't lost yet with this. RJ, I notice you start out with a 5000 unit BR, but that's a little steep for me. What do you recommend as a minimum starting BR?
Quote from: hot vegas night on May 12, 2009, 11:07:29 AM
This system is so good, I might go ahead and market it on Ebay. :yahoo:
I hope you're kidding Vegas, that would be pretty despicable.
I spent a lot of time (more importantly money..lost money...) developing this system. To have my hard work get taken advantage of because of my posting it in this forum to share with others who love the game of roulette would really upset me. I would imagine since you're part of this forum that you understand that feeling.
What if you were to come up with a great idea that you spent a lot of time, money, thought and effort on and have somebody steal it and make it out as though it were their own...and then sell it.
Quote from: hot vegas night on May 12, 2009, 11:07:29 AM
This system is so good, I might go ahead and market it on Ebay. :yahoo:
Also, if you check out the legal disclaimer at nolinks.fast-e-downloads.com (please nobody buy a subscription to this site, if you would like access to it PM me and I'll just give you a login for free) you'll see a lot of legal jargon. Legal jargon written for me by my lawyer. As an established webmaster I must have a lawyer to prevent legal action being taken against me.
Now, once you've read that and you can see that I do take the time for little things, and I do not just rush into them, and you still think I would share a system of mine (that's original, not modified by somebody else) and not take the time to make sure I had it documented as being mine then go ahead and sell it. I have a legal recourse.
Quote from: celiza427 on May 12, 2009, 11:48:28 AM
Wow, you would openly admit that you would steal someone else's system, that they spent many hours,days,months etc perfecting to make a profit? It is not yours to sell. RJ intended it for personal use for the members of this forum and unless HE decides to do otherwise that is how it should stay IMO.
Back to the overall topic, haven't lost yet with this. RJ, I notice you start out with a 5000 unit BR, but that's a little steep for me. What do you recommend as a minimum starting BR?
Thanks Celiza, I appreciate you backing me up! The 5000 unit BR is just a number that populates on it's own when I open RXtreme. It's not the BR that I necessarily recommend. I would say that having a BR of four or five hundred units would be absolutely safe (as safe as it can be anyway...unless we discover this is in fact the HG...haha) and a BR of two or three hundred to be able to play and hope that a loss doesn't come until you get to four or five hundred units. Sorry I can't be more precise but seeing as I haven't lost yet, it's difficult for me to say.
This is kind of one of the questions I would like to see some more help from the others on answering (by them testing the system). That's why I posted it, for perfecting or just making it better or even just finding out the nitty gritty details like starting BR.
As I said before, if I get a ton of positive response to this system then I will have this coded for RXtreme as well to really find out the highs and the lows of it.
Can't wait to hear some more from you testers! Thanks again to everybody for reading this thread and giving your feedback thus far!
I used a BR of 200 and did have a little scare, I got to where I had to put 5 chips per # but then I won and recouped all my losses, yay. But still probably 300 minimum would be fairly safe. 200 would still be do-able, but there you'd have to hope for some luck like you said and if you win your first several sessions you'll be up to a 300 BR anyway. I've yet to go past 31 spins to get a win as well, but I'll keep testing.
Quote from: celiza427 on May 12, 2009, 12:30:02 PM
I used a BR of 200 and did have a little scare, I got to where I had to put 5 chips per # but then I won and recouped all my losses, yay. But still probably 300 minimum would be fairly safe. 200 would still be do-able, but there you'd have to hope for some luck like you said and if you win your first several sessions you'll be up to a 300 BR anyway. I've yet to go past 31 spins to get a win as well, but I'll keep testing.
Excellent, thanks for the feedback Celiza! I hope everyone else's results are holding up as well as yours (if not there is always room for improvement)
This hot vegas nite is an exposed scammer:
nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=409&forum=Gambling_Systems_For_Sale
The cat with his BIB:
nolinks://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v248/113/8/1337460047/
Nathan Detroit Posted: 29-Mar-09 13:00 Edit
In reference to Jockstrap, THE AMATEUR
"When ignorance reaches $40 a barrel,
I want the drilling rights to his head."
The curse of Dr. Mabuse , The Gambler : TSI-NAN-FU
Nathan Detroit
Quote from: hot vegas night on May 12, 2009, 12:53:05 PM
Guys, chill out. It was only a joke that I thought you guys would find to be rediculously funny. I was only complementing rjeaton1 on his excellent system. You guys play around with me so I am doing the same and you guys could not take it. If I really was going to steal someones work and market it, I certainly would not be stupid enough to broadcast it in the author's thread. But, I know what it is like to have my system stolen. Just look at what pooper scoopers did to me.
Glad to hear that Vegas! I'm also happy to hear that you like the system and you've had good results! Anybody else testing? If so, post some spins and win/loss details so we can get this system moving towards the HG...haha.
A little wink at the end of your sentence would've been more helpful to realize it was a joke lol
Just a joke, no offense taken then (on my part anyway ;P)
My best wishes to all of you nice posters for falling prey to this LOW LIFE of a SCAMMER*": hot vegas nights*".
Good Bye.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
P.S.How naive can one get.
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on May 12, 2009, 01:35:19 PM
My best wishes to all of you nice posters for falling prey to this LOW LIFE of a SCAMMER*": hot vegas nights*".
Good Bye.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
P.S.How naive can one get.
It's not that I'm falling prey to him Nathan, I'm trying to do two things by responding the way that I have:
A: Continuing to stay a member of this forum and adding what I perceive to be as valuable content (because the alternative is to leave this forum as a member and not return or add any content for fear of it being stolen...then he has won)
B: Stay on the topic at hand which is this system, and bettering it, and finding out it's weaknesses (because the alternative here is to spend two or three pages bashing him, which leaves me where?...right where I left off, just two pages of peoples valuable opinions being wasted on the scammer and his post instead of their resources being directed at the real problem - the system.
I sincerely appreciate your level of disgust with him and what he has said, as you too are trying to keep this forum a valuable resource to everybody that deserves it. However, let's just give him the benefit of the doubt, not discuss him, and just discuss the topic at hand. He'll either steal the system, try to sell it, and get what he deserves...or he really was just kidding and he too might end up being a valuable resource. Let's all let it go either which way he wants it too, but in the meantime let's find that HG...who knows, maybe this is it (haha) if not how can we make it better guys?
My compliments, I already play a system similar to this for 5/6 years now.
I alway said that law off third is the key to winning.
I use a graphick to tell me when to start betting,and it is based on 'non' unique nrs to come (repeaters).
Well done ,but never forget that there are cycles off 37 spins with only 5/6 repeaters ,they can be dangerous.
I do progrees my bets when lose,because the repeater will come 100 % if start betting at the right time.
Lets keep this to ourselves guys, i wouldnt want to live without this income that roulette gives me and my family,
good luck,
regards,
Petquesha 8)
This is by far the most logical and successful system that I have ever played with or seen posted on any forum. I have always believed in The Law of the Third and have tried to model many of my systems around it as well. I do believe that a system that can be designed with TLOTT and sector prediction as its base will ultimately become the most successful system ever. This system has all of the dynamics a great system should have. It has logic, ease of use, a good win ratio, and is based on a scientific fact. Many people say that prior spins have no bearing in roulette, but that is not true. Also, many people believe that there is no event that can be properly be predicted in roulette. Again, untrue. On the average, 20-26 unique numbers will appear in 38 spins. You can be sure, at least 98% of the time, this event WILL happen in roulette. There must be others. Winkel has pointed out and proven another one and that is at some point, the amount of numbers appeared and not appeared must change or cross from 19/18 to 18/19 and so forth. RJ, I commend you for sharing this system. I am much like you in that I share any systems or discoveries I might make unselfishly and for the benefit of others. We must remember one thing, and that is there are people who would exploit people like us and steal from us (Hot Vegas Nights, etc.) if they could make a quick buck. HVN says that he was joking and I pray that is true. It would be a shame to lose a brilliant member like RJ because he got upset and discouraged and decided not to share anymore. He has done us all a great service by sharing this with us. I have already won some money from his information and willingness to share. His efforts are more than commendable, and to make a video also, awesome! In closing, remember that roulette is only a game, and although there is a mathematical house edge built in, do not let that discourage you. As it is just a game and cannot think for itself, we as humans CAN BEAT IT. We just need to keep brainstorming and trying. The answer will come. It may just be right here in this thread!
Simon ;D everything you said I absolutely agree with .
Rpro :yahoo: Thanks for the serious compliment on the system, I sincerly appreciate you taking the time to try it out, and then coming back and telling us your results. That's great, and it's what we need to further improve this system (if we need to...haha)
Simon, you said "6) All I'm sure of for now is that we find any cycle of 20 spins with 3 or less repeaters, and then upon the next repeater we start betting all the numbers we are tracking which have not repeated, is that correct??" Which is what I originally posted, that is exactly the sytem. However, in the video I made a small modification and have been playing this way since:
Find any cycle of 20 spins with 3 or less repeaters, and then upon the next repeater we start betting all the numbers we have tracked thus far...singles, doubles, triples...all of them. The reason for this is because I have gone past spin 31 a couple more times since my post about "only once in 650 spins" not because of a perfect pattern of "unique, double, unique, double, etc." but because of this "unique, double, triple, unique, double, triple". With this modification I haven't lost...at all...yet, haha.
Also, one step you forgot:
If you have bet 3 times or less by the time you get to spin 31 you follow it the system out to spin 37.
Thanks again everybody, let's get some more test results from you guys!
hot vegas night wrote:
QuoteGuys, chill out. It was only a joke that I thought you guys would find to be rediculously funny. I was only complementing rjeaton1 on his excellent system. You guys play around with me so I am doing the same and you guys could not take it. If I really was going to steal someones work and market it, I certainly would not be stupid enough to broadcast it in the author's thread. But, I know what it is like to have my system stolen. Just look at what pooper scoopers did to me.
hot vegas nite is an exposed scammer:
nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=409&forum=Gambling_Systems_For_Sale
He has just started selling a new system over at GG for online roulette @ $49.99
I do not know whether he has packaged up this system or not.
Best keep an eye on this scamming cat.
Regards,
Atlantis.
@rjeaton: Thank you very much to share your system!! I hope you will find success with it!
Sorry, my english is quite bad, so sometimes I don't understand some rules of your system. Is there anyone who can summarize me this system with the modification of rjeaton, because I really want to test this system.
Thank you ;)
Nherisson,
I strongly suggest getting RouletteXtreme as it makes the tracking really easy. You can d/l a trial for free and you'll have 25 uses before you have to buy. Also, watching the video that RJ posted helped me very much. RPro might be able to help you with tracking using another method if you do not want to d/l RX.
I will be making another video shortly, because our friend Simon unfortunately couldn't watch the last video I made. So, I will be making another one and will encode it in .wmv format and I won't compress it using WinRar or WinZip. I am going to warn you guys however, that as a .wmv file, it will be probably be double the size of the last video. I don't know if that's a problem, but I will be making it regardless for those who choose to download it. Keep on testing guys, and thanks again for all the feedback and taking the time to read about this system!
Hi rjeaton and well done on a great system.
After testing tons of spins, the average ,to the nearest number of unique hits per 37 cycle is 23 spins.
So, if for example, we have 3 repeaters in 20 spins, that means that 'on average' we ll get another 6 uniques in the 37 spin cycle.
Now, by 'averages' law, we should get another 11 repeaters. Thus, combining a part of the system you used to play, with this one, what if after 20 spins (with 3 repeats), we ll flat bet the numbers hit and add the uniques that show till the 37th spin, or maybe till a profit is made?
(maybe after the 31st spin, some sort of progression should be used. what do you think?
I wish i could test the system on rx, but i m hopeless at coding!
Quote from: hot vegas night on May 12, 2009, 11:07:29 AM
This system is so good, I might go ahead and market it on Ebay. :yahoo:
I think this ****** should be banned/booted whatever from here just for that crap above... please :clapping:
In the next video you'll see at the top of the screen an updated bet calculator for the ten spins to win system. I did this because I noticed every now and again the recommended bet amount (when rounded up to the nearest whole number) isn't enough to actually put you in a profit. So I added amount to profit box which calculates what your profit will be if the recommended bet amount were to win. If it's a negative number you just increase the recommended bet amount by one and check the "profit box". This will all make sense in the video, which will be finished encoding to .wmv format (and I got the size down to 160 mb, sorry I know its big but its only a twelve minute video. I had to make sure the clarity was there so everybody could see it) in about 20 minutes. When it's finished I will upload and provide a link to download it from.
In the meantime I have attached the new bet calculator that you will see in the video (which you can actually use for any system now, not just mine). I'm sure somebody on this forum has probably made bet calcuators and they're probably better, it's just this one is specifically designed for this system. Sorry about all the downloads on this system guys, I just want to make sure it's full understood by everybody so I can get accurate feedback and improvements.
Where are all your test spins and win/loss results guys?
Not a problem at all about all the downloads. I'll take any tools I need in order to make some bank! lol Glad you mentioned the bet calc...I was actually about to bring that up in my next post. Unless I won on Bet 1 or 2, I usually didn't make a profit. I can post some of my sessions from RX when I get home, just can't test right now (I'm at the day job ;P)
rjeat I'm amazed you got to read my long post before I quickly deleted it after I read your post about not wasting time and energy bashing the scam man (while I was writing my post, you and others had already posted some thoughts about this.) so I quickly deleted it out of respect to you and I guess you are right what you said. I am glad you got to read my post though (so it wasn't a complete waste of time) and sorry I'm having so much trouble watching the clip and thank you Celiza for trying to help. I'll let you know how things go with my spins as I have time to test them. gotta go, later...
Quote from: simon on May 12, 2009, 06:18:26 PM
rjeat I'm amazed you got to read my long post before I quickly deleted it after I read your post about not wasting time and energy bashing the scam man (while I was writing my post, you and others had already posted some thoughts about this.) so I quickly deleted it out of respect to you and I guess you are right what you said. I am glad you got to read my post though (so it wasn't a complete waste of time) and sorry I'm having so much trouble watching the clip and thank you Celiza for trying to help. I'll let you know how things go with my spins as I have time to test them. gotta go, later...
I appreciate you deleting it out of respect (although you didn't have to because you made some very valid points)...but that was pretty cool of you. And don't worry about the video, I actually would have had the other one that I already made up here but it's taking longer than I expected to transcode. It will be put up here though.
Also, for those of you who are scared (or just don't like) progression betting, if you live outside of the US you'll have access to online casino's that don't require whole number bets (I.E. $1, $2, $3, etc.) so you can more closely follow the bet amounts provided by the calculator. In fact, because you can bet as low as .10 cents (not sure what that is in pounds, or euros, or...whatever they are) the progression in this system isn't even all that scary. It's not even really all that (a little bit sometimes) scary if you only have acces to whole dollar betting.
I just had that thought while chatting with a couple of very friendly people (loufran & celiza) in a chat room a little while ago...just a thought.
Quote from: cabbage on May 12, 2009, 04:23:39 PM
I think this ****** should be banned/booted whatever from here just for that crap above... please :clapping:
In all fairness to HVN, he said he was just joking. He is really not guilty of anything, except maybe having a poor sense of humor. I have heard that he is an exposed scammer on other forums. However, he has done nothing wrong here so banning is not even an option right now as far as I am concerned. If he was a system seller or a scammer in the past, maybe he has changed his ways. Everybody deserves a second change. I was given a second chance so I know the importance of being understanding toward others.
Quote from: RPro75 on May 11, 2009, 10:39:43 PM
I think this system is great and may be just what I need to develop some real steady income. I am having problems coming up with a way to show me the bets easily on paper. The hard part of using this system in a B & M casino is that it requires you to do some counting and then make a large inside number bet. I know I will run out of time before I can implement this system. I need to make a tracking sheet that would be easy to isolate the bets and track the last 20 spins so I know when I have 17 or more unique numbers so then I may wait for the trigger. Anybody have ideas or want to help me with this?
I don't know if anybody will find this usefull but this is how I play "difficult to track systems" in B & M Casinos. What I am about to tell you I am being absolutely serious about (it sounds cloak and dagger
ish) but it is really what I do for difficult systems.
I drive to the casino (usually mohegan sun at pocono downs or mt. airy casino in pennsylvania...they only have ballys touchbet roulette but hey its a casino) with my friend and my laptop (which has rxtreme on it and is pretty much the only thing I use for tracking, except bet calculators). My friend goes into the casino with a bluetooth headseat on (which is wirelessly connected to the motorola razor in his pocket). He sits down at the machine and turns the volume on the machine way up.
Since there is no way to watch spins without betting he places one unit on red and one unit on black and hits spin for as many tracking spins as he needs to. Meanwhile, since he turned the volume up every time a number is throw I hear it. He doesn't have to say a word. I then proceed to give him betting instructions. The only reason I go with him instead of staying home is so that in about an hour or so's time we switch (I need to have some time at the wheel to...and maybe a c**ktail).
Just figured I would throw it out there, maybe some of you guys might find that usefull at some point.
It took megavideo.com almost a full 24 hours to encode the video that I uploaded yesterday (i guess due to its size) but for anybody who didn't download the video yesterday or downloaded it and couldn't view it (simon, sorry about that again) here is the link to view it streaming from megavideo nolinks://nolinks.megavideo.com/?v=Q9G8AK2T (nolinks://nolinks.megavideo.com/?v=Q9G8AK2T) I must warn you though, that once they encoded it it became very blurry (but still viewable...barely), if you were to download it, it would be crystal clear.
Also, the video I made today finally finished transcoding on my computer (to a .wmv format so nobody will have a problem viewing it) and I am in the process of uploading it to megauploads (as Victor suggested yesterday) and will post that link as soon as the upload is completed.
I can't wait to hear what everyone else is experiencing using this system so we can improve it (unless you guys don't test it :-[)
I developed a tracking spreadsheet for this system. To use it, you simply type in the actual spin number under the number that hit. The spreadsheet does the rest. It works great to get your first bet, but I still need to figure out a way to use it to decipher the next bet. You need to re-track the last 20 spins. If you are playing RNG it is fine because you can simply delete all of the spins and then type in the last 20 again. For B & M casino, I am still trying to develop something that can work with pen & paper. My last test using RX and this new spreadsheet, I won the first 4 bets on the first spin, then I won bets 5 & 6 on the second spin, and bets 7-10 on the first spin for a profit of 182 units in 48 spins. I think I can develop something with a pen & paper which will allow me to see the bets. Unfortunately, I don't have Excel, only Open Office, so I hope that you all will be able to find a way to download and use this. I attached it as an RAR file. I converted it to an Excel file and that is here for download also.
Quote from: RPro75 on May 12, 2009, 10:18:59 PM
I developed a tracking spreadsheet for this system. To use it, you simply type in the actual spin number under the number that hit. The spreadsheet does the rest. It works great to get your first bet, but I still need to figure out a way to use it to decipher the next bet. You need to re-track the last 20 spins. If you are playing RNG it is fine because you can simply delete all of the spins and then type in the last 20 again. For B & M casino, I am still trying to develop something that can work with pen & paper. My last test using RX and this new spreadsheet, I won the first 4 bets on the first spin, then I won bets 5 & 6 on the second spin, and bets 7-10 on the first spin for a profit of 182 units in 48 spins. I think I can develop something with a pen & paper which will allow me to see the bets. Unfortunately, I don't have Excel, only Open Office, so I hope that you all will be able to find a way to download and use this. I attached it as an RAR file.
Awesome Rpro, I actually might switch over to using this instead of of RXtreme (maybe...for some reason I feel some sort of attachment to that program, lol) For those of you who can't view this Open Office file, you can do one of two things go to this site nolinks://nolinks.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/index.jsp (nolinks://nolinks.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/index.jsp) and get that plug-in for any computer that runs microsoft office (it makes open office files fully compatible with microsoft office) or you can visit this blog and go to number two on the list (it lists a bunch of online conversion sites, no downloads required. You just upload the file in question , they convert it for free on their server and return to you a compatible microsoft office file) nolinks://lnxwalt.wordpress.com/2007/01/08/opening-odf-odt-ods-odp-etc-files/ (nolinks://lnxwalt.wordpress.com/2007/01/08/opening-odf-odt-ods-odp-etc-files/)
Thanks again rpro, great stuff.
Alright guys, here is the download link for the video from today - nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=7I1BH3ZG (nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=7I1BH3ZG) The video is in .wmv format so everybody should be able to view it alright once downloaded (it's not zipped). The video is 12 minutes long and 147 mb. It takes roughly 9 minutes to download on a high speed internet connection (DSL or Cable).
The video only shows the first 85 spins or so, but if you would like to see the whole 254 spin bet history using this system (spins were downloaded from Spielburg...in fact its the same set of spins I download in this video) you can download that as it is attached to this post. The session was 254 spins long, I didn't lose at all and came out +245 units. Enjoy guys!
A guy Aduci ? tested 1 million spins and got 31 unique numbers. But that's 1 million!!!
Hermes
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 12, 2009, 10:34:31 PM
Awesome Rpro, I actually might switch over to using this instead of of RXtreme (maybe...for some reason I feel some sort of attachment to that program, lol) For those of you who can't view this Open Office file, you can do one of two things go to this site nolinks://nolinks.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/index.jsp (nolinks://nolinks.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/index.jsp) and get that plug-in for any computer that runs microsoft office (it makes open office files fully compatible with microsoft office) or you can visit this blog and go to number two on the list (it lists a bunch of online conversion sites, no downloads required. You just upload the file in question , they convert it for free on their server and return to you a compatible microsoft office file) nolinks://lnxwalt.wordpress.com/2007/01/08/opening-odf-odt-ods-odp-etc-files/ (nolinks://lnxwalt.wordpress.com/2007/01/08/opening-odf-odt-ods-odp-etc-files/)
Thanks again rpro, great stuff.
Any suggestions on how you would go about finding the second and third bets using this spreadsheet? What do you think would be the best way? I know I can improve it somehow to find the next bets and maybe even to tell you what numbers to bet. I'll keep working on it and see where I come out.
Short session (need to go take my doggie's out) but here's 35 spins I just did while waiting for RJs newest video to d/l and I'm +53 units. I'll do more tests after I learn the new betting calculator and watch the latest video. Session is attached in .xls form.
This (for any newcomers to this thread) is the Ten Spins to Win System (as a PDF) in a very easy to understand format (clear explanation, no "roulette forum jargon", just plain old english in a very few amount of words (K.I.S.S).
When I first posted the system on this thread, although it was complete, it was explained by me very haphazardly. This should clear up any questions or concerns and make it so anybody, including newcomers, can fully understand and implement the system. nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=354 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=354)
Once you've downloaded that PDF file and read it over, then go ahead and watch one of the videos nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=7I1BH3ZG (nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=7I1BH3ZG) while following along. Then you should be all set to give this system a go and post your results.
Remember, the whole point of me posting this system for all of you guys was for you to test it, see if me (and the others that have tried it with success here on the forum) are all just having beginners luck or if it really is fantastic, and if we are just lucky what suggestions for improvements do you have.
As I said before, if all I get is positive feedback (along with spin results and win/loss data) I will pay to have this system coded for RXtreme so we can really, really get the ball rolling.
Keep on spinning everybody!
Quote from: hermes on May 12, 2009, 11:22:56 PM
A guy Aduci ? tested 1 million spins and got 31 unique numbers. But that's 1 million!!!
Hermes
Andruchi, actually (as this is where...a long time ago...my whole roulette journey started). And while this is absolutely true, that means six doubles appeared in 37 spins.
If we wait until we have 17 different numbers at spin twenty, that means (lets just say we're talking about a session where there are going to be 31 different numbers in 37 spins) that if on spin 21 another number doubles (we place bets) then on spin 22 a different one comes out (we lost) then on spin 23 another number doubles (we place bets) then on spin 24 a different number comes out (we lost) then spin 25 the last double to come out in all of those thirty-seven spins comes out so we place our bets, and then we lose. Then we continue tracking all the way to spin 37 only to start the system over again. In that session's example you would lose 100 units or so.
And only having 31 different numbers come out in 37 spins doesn't even mean you'll definitely lose. As long as two of the numbers double back-to-back after spin 20, you still win.
Quote from: celiza427 on May 13, 2009, 12:07:16 AM
Short session (need to go take my doggie's out) but here's 35 spins I just did while waiting for RJs newest video to d/l and I'm +53 units. I'll do more tests after I learn the new betting calculator and watch the latest video. Session is attached in .xls form.
Awesome Celiza, 3 spins back-to-back-to-back...great!
Quote from: RPro75 on May 12, 2009, 11:25:08 PM
Any suggestions on how you would go about finding the second and third bets using this spreadsheet? What do you think would be the best way? I know I can improve it somehow to find the next bets and maybe even to tell you what numbers to bet. I'll keep working on it and see where I come out.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "finding the second and third bets". If you get to twenty spins and there are 17 or more unique numbers, anytime thereafter (being sure to follow the other rules) you just bet on every number you have tracked whenever the unique numbers count doesn't increase.
And what's really cool about the tracker you made is if you use the number spin you're on instead of an X all you have to do to make sure you're only tracking twenty numbers is remove the smallest number and add what spin you're on. (I.E. - you get to spin 21 and still don't have 17 unique's, you take the number 1 off and put the number 21 on...then you have 2 through 21...twenty numbers tracked).
It's actually really good. Thanks again Rpro! I think I am actually going to use this because when I'm playing online having RXtreme open, the wheel frequency tracker, my bet calculator and the casino's playing window...uhhhh....it gets to be very cumbersome.
unless I have incredibly bad luck at the casino as compared to what my real spin data that I recorded from real double zero wheels is showing (though somewhat limited in the amount of actual games I could play-- about 10 so far), I should do ok just betting when you're supposed to start betting and betting on all the numbers you're supposed to, but just leaving it at up to 2 flat bets, because usually this seems to win on the first or second bet. and I think it will be hard enough for me to get all the chips on to all the numbers to bet, especially at foxwoods where the tables get so busy all the numbers get covered up with everybody's chips and these numbers are going to be all over the place (that is numbers to bet will not be in numerical order as I enter them in columns on my "cheat sheet", but maybe there is a better way to record them.) anyway I think it will be challenging enough to get the bets down right never mind figuring out the progressions and all that which I am not a fan of anyway. so I'm thinking I'm going to be laying down a lot of red nickels because it can take a while to get a betting opportunity anyway and I'm seein a lot of +16's, +17's, +18's and +19's on my test sheet and just a couple of negative numbers (flat betting up to two bets and track again.) so I'm thinking yeah I may have to lay down $85 or so and it's going to suck if I lose a few in a row, but I'm seeing a lot of + $85's too. then again I may chicken out of betting those red nickels and stick to the dollar chips. cause you know, systems always seem to go a little better at the kitchen table then at the casino where who knows what the hell will happen...
Latest 100+ spin session. Didn't go further than 2 losses. +78 units :clapping: I'm loving this
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0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
19
0
17
0
36
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
17
0
0
38
0
80
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Win
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
144
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
72
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
72
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
36
0
0
0
72
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
144
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Loss
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-17
0
-36
0
0
0
-84
-17
0
0
0
0
0
0
-46
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-17
0
0
-38
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-19
0
-17
0
-36
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-17
0
0
-38
0
-80
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Net
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-17
0
-36
0
0
0
60
-17
0
0
0
0
0
0
26
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-17
0
0
34
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
17
0
-17
0
36
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
-17
0
0
-38
0
64
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Unit Bal.
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
183
183
147
147
147
147
207
190
190
190
190
190
190
190
216
216
216
216
216
216
216
216
216
216
216
216
216
216
216
216
216
216
216
216
199
199
199
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
233
250
250
233
233
269
269
269
269
269
269
269
269
269
269
252
252
252
214
214
278
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Bet Layout
1 : 1,8,12,13,14,15,17,18,19,22,24,26,27,30,32,34,36
2 : 1,8,12,13,14,15,17,18,19,22,24,26,27,30,31,32,34,36
4 : 1,6,8,12,13,14,15,17,18,19,22,24,26,27,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
1 : 6,8,13,14,15,17,19,22,24,26,27,30,31,32,33,34,35
2 : 2,4,6,8,9,13,14,15,16,17,19,21,22,24,26,27,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
1 : 4,10,11,12,14,18,19,20,26,27,31,32,33,34,35,36,0
2 : 4,7,10,11,12,14,18,19,20,22,26,27,31,32,33,34,35,36,0
1 : 2,3,4,5,7,10,12,14,15,17,19,20,22,24,27,32,34,35,0
1 : 2,3,4,5,7,12,14,15,17,19,20,22,27,32,34,35,0
2 : 2,3,4,5,7,12,14,15,17,19,20,22,27,28,32,34,35,0
1 : 2,3,5,7,9,14,15,16,19,22,23,25,28,30,31,34,0
2 : 2,3,5,6,7,9,14,15,16,19,21,22,23,25,28,30,31,34,0
4 : 2,3,5,6,7,9,11,14,15,16,19,21,22,23,25,28,30,31,34,0
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Awesome Celiza!!!! This is exactly the kind of thing I am looking for from everybody who takes even just a little bit of time to test this system, whether it be 20 spins of the wheel and showing us what their results were, or (what you so generously took the time to test and post) 109 spins of the wheel and posting their results.
This helps me decide whether or not to pay to have this coded for RXtreme so we can all take this system to another level (if it needs to be...be I hope...haha) or if I should just scrap the idea all together.
Thank you so much Celiza, very very encouraging.
@Simon : I wish you all the best at Foxwoods, I absolutely cannot wait to hear those results! (and man, isn't that the truth about the kitchen table compared to the casino)
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 13, 2009, 12:55:23 AM
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "finding the second and third bets". If you get to twenty spins and there are 17 or more unique numbers, anytime thereafter (being sure to follow the other rules) you just bet on every number you have tracked whenever the unique numbers count doesn't increase.
And what's really cool about the tracker you made is if you use the number spin you're on instead of an X all you have to do to make sure you're only tracking twenty numbers is remove the smallest number and add what spin you're on. (I.E. - you get to spin 21 and still don't have 17 unique's, you take the number 1 off and put the number 21 on...then you have 2 through 21...twenty numbers tracked).
It's actually really good. Thanks again Rpro! I think I am actually going to use this because when I'm playing online having RXtreme open, the wheel frequency tracker, my bet calculator and the casino's playing window...uhhhh....it gets to be very cumbersome.
Wow, am I dense sometimes! :scratch_ones_head: Thanks for showing me how to use my own spreadsheet, RJ!!! ;D I'm wondering if there is a way to make the lowest number drop off the spreadsheet. Also, I'm wondering if I can get the spreadsheet to identify the bet numbers for me. I'm going to work on it a little tomorrow so look for a new and improved tracker sometime tomorrow. I did have a bad session but after I posted it I realized I had done a few things wrong and it was not the system's fault that I lost so I removed it. When I lost the first bet, I bet again right after insyead of waiting for another repeater and then betting. Also, RJ, have you been betting every number that hit or just numbers with 1 repeat?
Here is a brief explanation of how to use the unique number spreadsheet I made for this system.
1. You type in the spin number in the first row underneath the number when it comes out.
2. If it repeats, you type that spin number in the second row underneath the number. (There will always be a number above it, that is the spin number of the first time it came out). There is room to put the spin number up to four times. The number should not come out more than 4 times in 20 spins. If it does happen to someone, let me know, I'll add a 5th row.
3. After you log spin 20, when you log the next spins (21 and up), you need to drop off the lowest spin number. (ex. spin # 21, you drop off spin #1, spin 22, you drop off spin 2, etc.). This way, you should always know when there is a betting opportunity.
I hope it helps and is useful to all of you.
I found a glitch in the unique number tracker spreadsheet. It has been corrected. Sorry for the confusion. The corrected one is now available for download in Excel format and RAR format.
I think I have got this down now. Here is my first real test where I feel I played everything right. It works great. I am really excited because this system is definitely a consistent moneymaker and may just be the best system out there. I played until Spin 36, and I got 5 bets in, 3 of which I won. At this point, I think all I had to do was back out the first 16 spins from the tracker (leaving the last 20) and wait for 17 or more unique numbers again. I think I could have kept on winning.
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
12 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
13 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
14 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
15 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
16 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
17 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
18 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
19 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
20 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
21 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
22 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
23 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
24 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
25 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
26 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
27 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
28 25 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 382 1 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,29,31,32,34,35,0
29 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 382
30 8 Bet 38 72 -38 34 416 2 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,29,31,32,34,35,0
31 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 416
32 33 Bet 19 0 -19 -19 397 1 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,29,31,32,34,35,0
33 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 397
34 13 Bet 40 72 -40 32 429 2 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,29,31,32,33,34,35,0
35 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 429
36 35 Bet 21 36 -21 15 444 1 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,28,29,31,32,33,34,35,0
+44 units profit in 36 spins - Excellent
HI all. nice work and seems like very good results so far so thought I would try a thew tests to contribute as I deposit £5 ever weekend looking to play systems and only withdraw if I reach £100 or wednesday night if less than £100. so this friday ill be playing this system which seems a nice system to play where you feel confident in when placing chips, my first quick test was easy, rearly easy +40 units in 4 bets.
9
26
20
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27
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11
23
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9
30 trigger (bet next on the hits)
36 trigger (bet next on the hits) 19
20 trigger (bet next on the hits) 19
14 trigger (bet next on the hits) 19
35 finish as in profit. retrack. -17
+40UNITS
BUT AS I KNOW THE LUCK IS ALWAYS WITH YOU WHEN YOU ARE NOT PLAYING FOR REAL MONEY.
I always knew that unhit and hit numbers tend to hit in clumps or streaks but this way of playing certanly takes advantage of this.
cheers,
mattjono
I had a really rocky session for my first test...i was betting 9 chips per number at the highest moment, other times i was betting 5 chips per number...after about 180 spins i stopped and was about +3 units :P...i think the progression in the bet calculator grows rather steeply when the repeat are not coming in...i'm awaiting to hear simon's results with flat betting, but thanks for sharing your method RJ!
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 500
1 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
2 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
3 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
4 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
5 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
6 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
7 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
8 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
9 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
10 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
11 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
12 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
13 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
14 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
15 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
16 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
17 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
18 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
19 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
20 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
21 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
22 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
23 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
24 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
25 14 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 483 1 : 1,4,6,7,9,12,13,21,22,26,27,28,31,32,35,36,0
26 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 483
27 10 Bet 36 0 -36 -36 447 2 : 1,4,6,7,9,12,13,14,21,22,26,27,28,31,32,35,36,0
28 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 447
29 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 447
30 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 447
31 34 Bet 84 0 -84 -84 363 4 : 1,4,6,7,9,10,12,13,14,19,21,22,26,27,28,31,32,33,35,36,0
Hi rjeaton,
Here is the result of my first session but maybe I was wrong with your system and/or the betting.
Thanks for giving me your point of view.
Cheers
Excellent number tracker RPro!! This is definitely the way to record the spins because you can quickly see which numbers to bet and they are in numerical order which will greatly help in getting the bets down. I love the way the spreadsheet keeps track of the spins and unique numbers, and I guess we can adopt this for playing at a b&m casino as well (?) I would think so because by entering the spin number under the roulette numbers we will know where we are in the spin count, and we can also see how many repeats have hit and if we are going to get the 17 numbers within 20 spins (or not-- so start tracking again.) I can see making a chart with the same thing every 5 rows and then you would start over again with a new spin count, etc, or is there some way of continuing the tracking so that if you don't get your 17 numbers in 20 spins, you can continue tracking till you can see that you do have the 17 numbers in 20 spins? This is where I get confused, how to manually chart (at a b&m casino) to identify the 17 numbers anywhere within the spin cycle/session you are at, without starting all over again at spin one. And I will be able to test my 450 spins much more thoroughly if I can do this, by testing starting at any and every entry point within my six sets of 75 continuous spins.
Quote from: loufran on May 13, 2009, 11:18:03 AM
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 500
1 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
2 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
3 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
4 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
5 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
6 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
7 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
8 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
9 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
10 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
11 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
12 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
13 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
14 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
15 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
16 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
17 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
18 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
19 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
20 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
21 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
22 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
23 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
24 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
25 14 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 483 1 : 1,4,6,7,9,12,13,21,22,26,27,28,31,32,35,36,0
26 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 483
27 10 Bet 36 0 -36 -36 447 2 : 1,4,6,7,9,12,13,14,21,22,26,27,28,31,32,35,36,0
28 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 447
29 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 447
30 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 447
31 34 Bet 84 0 -84 -84 363 4 : 1,4,6,7,9,10,12,13,14,19,21,22,26,27,28,31,32,33,35,36,0
Hi rjeaton,
Here is the result of my first session but maybe I was wrong with your system and/or the betting.
Thanks for giving me your point of view.
Cheers
Hey there Loufran, you're almost there, but not quite. I'll go through the spins you posted and show how to play it (and why).
Spin Number
0
1 36 - 1 different number
2 27 - 2 different numbers
3 26 - 3 different numbers
4 35 - 4 different numbers
5 7 - 5 different numbers
6 12 - 6 different numbers
7 22 - 7 different numbers
8 4 - 8 different numbers
9 26 -
8 different numbers (eight has repeated itself once in the last 20 spins)10 6 - 9 different numbers
11 21 - 10 different numbers
12 12 -
10 different numbers (12 has repeated itself once in the last 20 spins)13 26 -
still only 10 different numbers (26 has now appeared 3 times in the last 20 spins)14 13 - 11 different numbers
15 13 -
11 different numbers (13 has repeated itself once in the last 20 spins...at this point we should all know that when we get to spin twenty we won't be able to place a bet. The reason for that is because the largest amount of different numbers we can have at spin 20 now is 16...not enough)16 7 -
11 different numbers (7 has now repeated itself once in the last 20 spins)17 0 - 12 different numbers
18 32 - 13 different numbers
19 6 -
13 different numbers (6 has now appeared twice in the last 20 spins)20 9 - 14 different numbers in the last twenty spins. Not enough for a bet trigger. So we're going to hit spin and drop spin number one from the numbers tracked and and spin 21. (I.E. - only tracking the last 20 spins)
21 28 - 14 different numbers in the last twenty spins (36 comes off because it was spin number 1, and we add number 28 to the list)
22 31 - 14 different numbers in the last twenty spins (now 27 came off because it was spin number 2)
23 1 -
15 different numbers have appeared now. The reason is SPIN # 3 was 26, we now remove that from the list and add spin number 23. Now in the last twenty spins the number 26 has still appeared twice. So have 6, 13, 7, 12. That's 20 spins, minus 5 doubles=15 different numbers. So there would still be no bets placed! 24 1 -
14 different numbers!!!! Our different numbers count actually drops here because "spin number 4" was removed which was number 35 and then we add "spin 24" which was 1...another repeating number. So now in the last twenty spins we have these numbers doubling: 6,13,7,12,26,1. Last 20 spins minus 6 for the doubles = 14 different numbers. Still no bets are placed!!!!!!25 14 - 15 different numbers in the last twenty spins
(alright, now "spin 5" was taken off which was the number 7 and we add "spin 25" which is the number 14. The number 7 was a double before we removed spin number 5. So the number 7 goes down to being a single, and we added the number fourteen So we now have 15 different numbers in 20 spins. 6,13,12,26,1 have all appeared two times, and 10 numbers have appeared once = 15 numbers.26 1- 15 different numbers in the last twenty spins. (now 6,13,26,1 have appeared twice, 1 has appeared three times, and 10 numbers appeared once.........................still no bets placed!!!!!!!!!!)
27 10 - 15 different numbers in 20 spins (I'll stop with the long explanations now, I think everybody should get it now)
28 33 - 15 different numbers in 20 spins
29 19 - 16 different numbers in 20 spins
30 36 - 17 different numbers in 20 spins (You still don't place any bets because now you have to wait for a bet trigger, which is anytime a number doubles, triples, quadruples, etc.)
31 34 -
17 different numbers in 21 SPINS. It is now 21 spins because we hit the first thing we were looking for (17 different numbers in 20 spins) Now that we had that on spin twenty, we just add any following spins to the list. Spin 31 is actually the first time bets should be placed in this scenario. I can't see if it wins or not because I wasn't given the spins that came after it. But I hope this explanation clears everything up.
I did finally make it to 31 spins...but I won so it's still all good. I did lose -8 units on that spin b/c I did not have enough chips to cover the progression (just another indicator that BR should be a little higher, I started at 200 and was around 320 at the start of the betting cycle.) I continued my session from last night. This is from spin 110 on...if anyone would like I will continue this one session in RXtreme until I hit 1000 spins total.
Spin 110 - 185 = +61 units
I simply cannot get the table function down to where the columns are spaced correctly so here's a txt file of the spins.
Robert can you explain how to adopt RPro's excellent tracker for manually adding and removing spins to the cycle we are following at the b&m casino? In this example we have tracked 20 spins and have 15 different numbers. I'm not exactly sure how we keep adding entries till we find 17 different numbers within 20 spins. It is probably pretty simple but I can be pretty dense sometimes. You can make up any numbers to follow what has come out, to show as an example how we do this at the b&m casino with our system chart we will be bringing. thanx!!
Quote from: RPro75 on May 13, 2009, 07:01:53 AM
I think I have got this down now. Here is my first real test where I feel I played everything right. It works great. I am really excited because this system is definitely a consistent moneymaker and may just be the best system out there. I played until Spin 36, and I got 5 bets in, 3 of which I won. At this point, I think all I had to do was back out the first 16 spins from the tracker (leaving the last 20) and wait for 17 or more unique numbers again. I think I could have kept on winning.
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
12 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
13 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
14 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
15 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
16 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
17 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
18 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
19 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
20 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
21 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
22 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
23 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
24 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
25 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
26 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
27 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
28 25 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 382 1 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,29,31,32,34,35,0
29 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 382
30 8 Bet 38 72 -38 34 416 2 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,29,31,32,34,35,0
31 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 416
32 33 Bet 19 0 -19 -19 397 1 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,29,31,32,34,35,0
33 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 397
34 13 Bet 40 72 -40 32 429 2 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,29,31,32,33,34,35,0
35 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 429
36 35 Bet 21 36 -21 15 444 1 : 3,4,5,6,8,13,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,28,29,31,32,33,34,35,0
+44 units profit in 36 spins - Excellent
Excellent, thanks for testing and then taking the time to post your results Rpro!! The only thing is, this is how I would have played the system with those spins...or should say not played those spins (your results are obviously better as you would make a profit with those 36 spins and I would not have bet at all, but I just don't want you to get burned later on...unless you've discovered something better that is!):
Spin Number
0
1 22 - 1 different number (the amount of different numbers always refers to "within the last twenty spins" unless otherwise stated)
2 23 - 2 different numbers
3 34 - 3 different numbers
4 32 - 4 different numbers
5 34 -
4 different numbers (22,23,32 appeared once and 34 appeared twice)
6 6 - 5 different numbers
7 24 - 6 different numbers
8 21 - 7 different numbers
9 5 - 8 different numbers
10 24 -
8 different numbers (32,21,6,23,5,22 appeared once and 34,24 each appeared twice)
11 31 - 9 different numbers
12 13 - 10 different numbers
13 6 -
10 different numbers (32,21,13,23,5,31,22 each appeared once and 34,6,24 each appeared twice)
14 4 - 11 different numbers
15 6 -
11 different numbers (32,4,21,13,23,5,31,22 each appeared once 34,24 each appeared twice, and 6 appeared 3 times)
16 8 - 12 different numbers
17 17 - 13 different numbers
18 17 - 13 different numbers
19 0 - 14 different numbers
20 16 - 15 different numbers (no bets can be placed until within the last 20 spins there are 17 or more different numbers that appeared. And we don't track past 20 spins unless there were 17 or more different numbers within 20 spins either.)
21 29 - 15 different numbers (within the last 20 spins remember. So spin 1 came off and we add spin 21)
22 35 - 15 different numbers
23 17 - 15 different numbers
24 17 - 14 different numbers
25 15 - 14 different numbers (within the last 20 spins still. so now spins 1 through 5 came off and we've added 21 through 25 one spin at a time)
26 3 - 15 different numbers
27 8 - 15 different numbers
28 25 - 15 different numbers
29 32 - 15 different numbers
30 8 - 14 different numbers
31 0 - 13 different numbers
32 33 - 13 different numbers
33 32 - 13 different numbers
34 13 - 13 different numbers
35 28 - 13 different numbers
36 35 - 13 different numbers
So as you can see (hopefully I explained it well enough) bets never would have been placed with these spins. We never could track more than 20 spins because we never had 17 or more different numbers within 20 spins.
Because we never had 17 or more different numbers within 20 spins, we also weren't ever to place any bets. Just wanted to give you a heads up. And thanks again for taking the time to test this out, make a tracker, and just generally be a good contributor. Keep it up!
Quote from: simon on May 13, 2009, 12:34:21 PM
Robert can you explain how to adopt RPro's excellent tracker for manually adding and removing spins to the cycle we are following at the b&m casino? In this example we have tracked 20 spins and have 15 different numbers. I'm not exactly sure how we keep adding entries till we find 17 different numbers within 20 spins. It is probably pretty simple but I can be pretty dense sometimes. You can make up any numbers to follow what has come out, to show as an example how we do this at the b&m casino with our system chart we will be bringing. thanx!!
I have attached the same tracker you uploaded but acted as if the following spins came out on spin 21, 22, 23 and made changes to the chart accordingly:
Spin 21 - 0 (removed spin 1 from chart, added spin 21)
Spin 22 - 00 (removed spin 2 from chart, added spin 22)
Spin 23 - 19 (removed spin 3 from chart, added spin 23)
What you're left with is 17 different numbers in 20 spins and you're ready to go ahead and continue tracking past 20 spins and waiting for a bet trigger!
actually in regards to my question before anyone takes the time to answer I think I see how to do it... we continue adding the count underneath the roulette numbers and just cross off the beginning count numbers, so you add spin 21 under the appropriate number and cross off spin 1 under the number it's under, and just continue in this way, so with simple subtraction if you're up to like say spin 27 you have been crossing off spins 1-7 so you know you have a 20 spin cycle and can easily see how many roulette different roulette numbers have been tagged with the spin count... yeah I knew it was easy... I was just being dense...
right, but you can't replace the numbers on your chart at the casino like you can on a spreadsheet, so I would just cross them off as necessary and add them as necessary vertically under the roulette numbers.
Quote from: simon on May 13, 2009, 01:18:27 PM
right, but you can't replace the numbers on your chart at the casino like you can on a spreadsheet, so I would just cross them off as necessary and add them as necessary vertically under the roulette numbers.
Ahhh, I see (now I was being dense :blush2:) But yes, your explanation sounds perfect for anybody would like to take this into a casino with them.
In the past when I've gone into casino's I've always had the thought process that I would get kicked out if I used a pen and paper. Do they really not mind you using a pen and paper to track spins?
Quote from: celiza427 on May 13, 2009, 12:27:11 PM
I did finally make it to 31 spins...but I won so it's still all good. I did lose -8 units on that spin b/c I did not have enough chips to cover the progression (just another indicator that BR should be a little higher, I started at 200 and was around 320 at the start of the betting cycle.) I continued my session from last night. This is from spin 110 on...if anyone would like I will continue this one session in RXtreme until I hit 1000 spins total.
Spin 110 - 185 = +61 units
I simply cannot get the table function down to where the columns are spaced correctly so here's a txt file of the spins.
Thanks again for your input, testing and posting Celiza, it really helps to see where this is going (as I can only do so many spins myself manually). I'm thrilled with your results! And I know I for one would love to see you go to 1000 spins but don't do that just for me, if you enjoy playing the system then by all means. If not, there are tons of testers here.
I'm getting really close to having this coded for RXtreme now as it really looks as though this is a highly lucrative system.
QuoteIn the past when I've gone into casino's I've always had the thought process that I would get kicked out if I used a pen and paper. Do they really not mind you using a pen and paper to track spins?
.... absolutely not, I've been doing it for many years, they have no problem with it at all. As long as your materials are not getting in the way of anyone, they WELCOME system players. I have countless times before even sitting at a table stood watching marquees, taking notes, knowing full well the eye in the sky is watching me, and sat at the table with system notes, knowing the eye in the sky might well be zooming in right on me and my notes. they really don't give a f***, believe me. At least not where I play at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun in CT.
Hey, not a burden at all. I'm there with you wanting this to work and so far it has (not to say it won't lose, I'd just like to see when, how, and how often) I'll definitely take this to 1000 but it'll probably take me a week. I work from 12 to 9 and only have moderate time in the morning...I've got a busy 2 year old that craves attention lol.
I think I've got the system down really well using RXtreme but you're right, having RX, bet calc, and a casino open at one can be a bit much...I'll see if I can get a handle on that spreadsheet RPro made, add the calc to that and only have the xls and casino to mess with.
and ofcourse when you play mini-bac which I also like, EVERYONE has pen and paper. In fact at the roulette tables in CT they will GIVE you pen and paper and WHEEL CHARTS if you ask for them, to make it easy for you to track sleepers and hot numbers, etc. In fact now the marquees there SHOW you ELECTRONICALLY what the hot numbers are, what dozens they hit in, etc, etc. They ENCOURAGE you to make any kind of bets you want, for ANY REASON. They are not worried about you and your system.
Hi again RJ!
Here is the last test I made. . . I tried to perfect my playing but this time don't know what's going on!! I stopped because my 500 units bankroll would have burst. . .
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 500
1 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
2 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
3 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
4 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
5 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
6 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
7 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
8 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
9 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
10 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
11 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
12 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
13 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
14 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
15 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
16 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
17 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
18 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
19 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
20 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
21 13 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 482 1 : 1,3,6,9,10,12,15,16,19,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,32,35
22 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 482
23 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 482
24 2 Bet 40 0 -40 -40 442 2 : 1,3,6,9,10,12,13,15,16,19,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,32,33,35
25 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 442
26 34 Bet 84 0 -84 -84 358 4 : 1,2,3,6,9,10,12,13,15,16,19,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,32,33,35
27 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 358
28 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 358
29 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 358
30 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 358
31 20 Bet 200 0 -200 -200 158 8 : 1,2,3,6,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,18,19,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,32,33,348 : 35
I think I was wrong again. . . . as everyone performs with it!!! But where ??
Cheers
Quote from: simon on May 13, 2009, 01:14:50 PM
actually in regards to my question before anyone takes the time to answer I think I see how to do it... we continue adding the count underneath the roulette numbers and just cross off the beginning count numbers, so you add spin 21 under the appropriate number and cross off spin 1 under the number it's under, and just continue in this way, so with simple subtraction if you're up to like say spin 27 you have been crossing off spins 1-7 so you know you have a 20 spin cycle and can easily see how many roulette different roulette numbers have been tagged with the spin count... yeah I knew it was easy... I was just being dense...
Don't worry, Simon, I made the damn thing and then couldn't figure out how to use it! :punish: Also, it's important to mention that when you back out the spins after 20, (ex, spin 21, you take out spin 1) if any of them were in the top row, I think you need to move the spins underneath them into the top row, so that you will have an accurate count of unique numbers. Only the top row counts unique numbers. Also, I am going to add a fifth row because I did have one instance where a number hit 5 times in 20 spins.
QuoteAlso, it's important to mention that when you back out the spins after 20, (ex, spin 21, you take out spin 1) if any of them were in the top row, I think you need to move the spins underneath them into the top row, so that you will have an accurate count of unique numbers.
....... huh? hmmm, maybe this is trickier than I thought. I am looking for the most efficient way to do this by pen and paper... numbers in cells cannot be replaced, they can only be crossed off and new count numbers added vertically underneath (because I don't plan to use pencils and do erasings, I don't think...)
QuoteHere is the last test I made. . . I tried to perfect my playing but this time don't know what's going on!! I stopped because my 500 units bankroll would have burst. . .
........ I don't know if you played it right but this is why I do not play progressions, not to rain on the parade but my gut feeling is if you can't find a way to beat it with flat bets, it can't be beat... (I believe this has been shown in various studies on the matter, and NOT because of the table limits.. they have big table limits where I play and I am WAY out of there before getting anywhere's near table limits, if things start to crash and burn.) what I mean is, most people would be down plenty enough before getting near the table limits, to be concerned about the table limits...
Hi RJ,
Firstly thank you for sharing your system with us all. I have been testing today and the one problem I have found is more often than not I end up with more than 3 repeaters in 20 spins. However (not sure if this is wise) but I have been getting very good results playing this slightly differently, probably luck I don't know...
When I reach 20 spins and have more than 3 repeaters I carry on tracking until I have the 17 unique numbers and then play exactly as you have been doing. Once I have got a hit I retrack back 20 spins and start over. So far as previously said the results have been similar to your original testing ;)
Regards
Bali
not to get too off subject but speaking of table limits and big bets, here is something I stood and watched at Mohegan Sun Casino in CT-- 2 asian guys were betting baccarat at the long table against each other, making $10,000 bets every bet! One guy kept betting against the other guy and I saw one of them lose $100,000 in CASH which he kept bringing out of a suitcase he was sitting with. It was unreal.
Here is the most amazing thing I ever saw at the roulette table-- I saw a guy place ONE $100 dollar chip on ONE number and WIN! It also, was unreal. But I saw it happen.
And for the last of my most memorable things I saw, yes, a dealer CAN hit a number, ofcourse not like everytime, and 99% of them cannot do this and do not even try to, but I was pretty friendly with a very skilled dealer who told me they practiced this in dealer school and really late at night when most of the tables were empty they would have fun trying this and he absolutely hit number 5 for me within about ten spins, I saw him do it and it was one of the coolest things I ever saw. But this was quite the exception to what the usual dealer can do.
PLEASE EXPLAIN. . . . . . . . . . . when you get a hit . . . . . do you start over again or??? and if you spin 20 and have 3 or more repeaters what do you do?? i have been spinning intil i get 17 triggers and then i will spin with out betting intill a repeater shows up . . . . . and then i bet. i dont under stand what you guy's are talking about taking numbers away to get your 20 spins??????? why??? dont you spin intill you get your 17? even if you go over 20 spins? please clarify thanks. this system does look very promising!!!! thanks very much for posting it.
man RPRO dont know how we are going to bring this into the casino? looks like to much tracking and not enough time! hope you come up with something!! i know you will buddy. . . lol
Hello,
I have been following this thread for a while and I like what I read.
Thank you RJ for sharing your method.
As the charting is a bit of a problem I have made a Intel-MAC executable program...
If any one is interested.
(No there is no Windows. But maybe a Motorola-version if there is any need)
It is called "RJETStWS.app" and you find it in the Members download:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=362
It is very small (something like 80K) but there is no fancy stuff either.
When you run it it looks like this:
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The Input Window (top left): Simply input the winning number (also 00) and press Enter.
While you are tracking you will see a "(x)" after the spin-number. When you see it you can enter "x" and your last entry will be deleted.
(No there is no such option when we are waiting for the trigger after spin 20)
The Bets Window (middle left): Well... you see yourself...
Sessions window (bottom left): Shows session-results.
The Spins window (center): The input results are showed here.
The first column shows spin numbers currently "used by the method" (1 - 20 while we chart and 1 - 37 when we wait for the trigger).
The second column show the total spin-number from the session's start.
The third column show the winning number.
The fourth column show "-" (this number will repeat) or "R" (this number is a repeater).
At the bottom it show how many different numbers there is in the showed sequence.
The rightmost window is not part of the program: It shows the spins I used for this: Wiesbaden table 3 from 30-04-2009.
The gray-marked number was the last entry and the program tells me to bet the numbers in the "Bets Window".
And I am just about to input the next number "28" that will win.
When a session ends you will be asked (in the Input Window) if you want to Roll back (save the last 20), start a New session (no spins saved) or Quit.
(Of course you can quit by cmd+Q anytime)
I THINK it works exactly as the pdf describes.
I will start tests soon.
Other things to do right now.
I am told... ;)
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
Quote from: ckb18 on May 13, 2009, 02:25:54 PM
PLEASE EXPLAIN. . . . . . . . . . . when you get a hit . . . . . do you start over again or??? and if you spin 20 and have 3 or more repeaters what do you do?? I have been spinning intil I get 17 triggers and then I will spin with out betting intill a repeater shows up . . . . . and then I bet. I dont under stand what you guy's are talking about taking numbers away to get your 20 spins??????? why??? dont you spin intill you get your 17? even if you go over 20 spins? please clarify thanks. this system does look very promising!!!! thanks very much for posting it.
man RPRO dont know how we are going to bring this into the casino? looks like to much tracking and not enough time! hope you come up with something!! I know you will buddy. . . lol
I know people want to bring this into a B & M casino and it seems like it would be difficult. It isn't (using Rpro's tracker...thanks again!). I have made a video (last one, I promise) that shows EXACTLY how to do it. I type what I'm doing on the screen and why I'm doing it so you can follow right along. This video will explain the system, how it works, how to track it all in under ten minutes. It makes it CRYSTAL CLEAR.
The tracking you see in the video is done as if I were in a B & M Casino, so what you see on screen would be your piece of paper (not an excel chart...paper)
Using this chart (as you'll see in the video) you count a column (when figuring number of different numbers) only if there is a number in it. You only count it once regardless of how many times that number may have hit. (makes sense when you watch the video)
The numbers being entered into the tracker in this video is NOT the number thrown by the roulette table. It is WHAT NUMBER SPIN YOU'RE ON.
When I am counting the different numbers I use my moust pointer (count along with me if you'd like)
When a number has to be removed (since you can't remove numbers from paper) I black it out on the screen just as you would with ink on a piece of paper.
The numbers used in the video are downloaded from random(.org) Decided to go with RNG numbers this time for you guys.
This video should leave you without any questions, only answers. Download it here (it's only 6 mb) nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b320ba1087b5a97400d27174b47c66579efc3862070fa26cce018c8114394287 (nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b320ba1087b5a97400d27174b47c66579efc3862070fa26cce018c8114394287)
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 13, 2009, 02:38:32 PM
I know people want to bring this into a B & M casino and it seems like it would be difficult. It isn't (using Rpro's tracker...thanks again!). I have made a video (last one, I promise) that shows EXACTLY how to do it. I type what I'm doing on the screen and why I'm doing it so you can follow right along. This video will explain the system, how it works, how to track it all in under ten minutes. It makes it CRYSTAL CLEAR.
The tracking you see in the video is done as if I were in a B & M Casino, so what you see on screen would be your piece of paper (not an excel chart...paper)
Using this chart (as you'll see in the video) you count a column (when figuring number of different numbers) only if there is a number in it. You only count it once regardless of how many times that number may have hit. (makes sense when you watch the video)
The numbers being entered into the tracker in this video is NOT the number thrown by the roulette table. It is WHAT NUMBER SPIN YOU'RE ON.
When I am counting the different numbers I use my moust pointer (count along with me if you'd like)
When a number has to be removed (since you can't remove numbers from paper) I black it out on the screen just as you would with ink on a piece of paper.
The numbers used in the video are downloaded from random(.org) Decided to go with RNG numbers this time for you guys.
This video should leave you without any questions, only answers. Download it here (it's only 6 mb) nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b320ba1087b5a97400d27174b47c66579efc3862070fa26cce018c8114394287 (nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b320ba1087b5a97400d27174b47c66579efc3862070fa26cce018c8114394287)
Awesome RJ, appreciate the videos. They really clear up any questions/concerns that a new player to this system may have. I'll be sure to watch this later on just for reference but for now I'm staying loyal to RX until I have a chance to sit and analyze the different tracking methods.
Hello Forum. . .
It looks like if everybody was contributing this time.
Guess that it's "Mr. Contributor Day" 8)
Thanks for sharing rjeton1. And all the others for the time and work. Just fine.
So here attached it's my piece of work.
It tracks and counts everything but the stop flags and the progression.
I've just made it just to see how this system looks like, how it performs.
It tracks 111 spins. Random (just Press F9) or load the numbers by yourself.
In a 17" monitor it fits well at 75% zoom.
Don't you use spin by spin because graphically it wasn't made for that, (you're not alerted at time for made the bets) but all the calculations are exact.
I just want too see how many times I can find 5 or 6 loses in a row in the beggining of the run, and it happens. . . often.
Pressing F9 I've noticed that at the end of the run, as more numbers outcomes and are included in the bet list, we can expect a big lose of -31 and sometimes more.
I will like to see if without changing anything else, and waiting until we have 30 different numbers, the "triggers" help us to invert the selection and bet. . . in those Play times + trigger, just the NON OUTCOMED numbers, in order to bet as few numbers as possible. Just a thought.
Well you can see by yourself.
All the best.
Betatester.
VERY COOL ROBERT!! (I saw that one alright.) I'm not sure if I can follow betatester's thing and if he has just rained on the parade or not (not deliberately, just reporting what happens), but your latest video thing was great, thank you!! oh and homeito your program looks excellent too, but I don't have a mac so I can't really appreciate it as much...
Quote from: simon on May 13, 2009, 03:24:59 PM
VERY COOL ROBERT!! (I saw that one alright.) I'm not sure if I can follow betatester's thing and if he has just rained on the parade (not deliberately, just reporting what happens), but your latest video thing was very cool, thank you!!
Awesome, I hope it answered your questions. I love that BetaTester took the time to come up with what he did. Unfortunately it's not sticking to the system. You can't ever place bets consecutively and that's what that excel program does. The reason you can't place bets on consecutive spins is because of this:
On a win, you stop and re-track the previous twenty spins.
On a loss you clear the screen of bets and wait for another bet trigger (and if a bet trigger happens two spins in a row it means you have won).
Also, that excel file places bets ON spin 20. You can't ever place bets on spin 20 even if spin 20 was a double and you have 17 different numbers in 20 spins. The SOONEST YOU CAN EVER place a bet is spin after spin 21.
So a session goes one of two ways (in it's simplest form, obviously it can go a number of different ways, but this explains the system...again):
you have your 17 different numbers in 20 spins. You then hit spin. Spin 21 is a double (a trigger for you to place your bets on every number you have tracked). Spin 22 is another double...you win!! Yay!!
You have your 17 different numbers in 20 spins. You then hit spin. Spin 21 is a different number (not a bet trigger, no bets placed) You hit spin. Spin 22 is a double (a bet trigger...you place your bets on every number you have tracked). Spin 23 is a different number. You lose your bet. You then clear the screen and hit spin as many times (without betting) as you need to for another bet trigger to happen. Then you bet again, and so forth.
Going forward, any newcomers to the thread please download and read the PDF file and watch the videos and read the thread before posting anything. It's very tiresome explaining something over and over again (I'm not frustrated or anything, and I'm happy to answer questions...just new questions...and my hands are exhausted).
The pdf file link and video links have been placed in the very first post of this thread at the top of the page.
Happy Spinning and keep throwing your results up here!
I have re-done the tracker yet again. :girl_wacko: Also, I have been trying something new and it has been working rather well. I wait until I have 24 unique numbers and if it is within 36 spins, I flat bet the 24 unique numbers until I reach spin 36. I have been getting rather astonishing results. Anyway, the new tracker is here for download...again!
Quote from: RPro75 on May 13, 2009, 03:57:42 PM
I have re-done the tracker yet again. :girl_wacko: Also, I have been trying something new and it has been working rather well. I wait until I have 24 unique numbers and if it is within 36 spins, I flat bet the 24 unique numbers until I reach spin 36. I have been getting rather astonishing results. Anyway, the new tracker is here for download...again!
and if the unique numbers are below 24 at spin 36 we could flatbet the unhit numbers maybe.
cheers,
mattjono
p.s we could end up finding the perfect session from start to finish going of the circustances of the unhit/hit numbers and the law of the 3rd.
Here is my second successful test betting along with using this number tracker. All I did was bet the hit or unhit numbers depending on what my spin count was and how many unique numbers had shown. I posted the number tracker also so that you can match it up to the bets I made and see what the counts were when I bet. If the unique number count was a lot lower than the spin count, I bet the unhit numbers. If the unique number count was getting higher and closer to the spin count, I bet the hit numbers. I used flat bets, 1 and 2 units per number. This is a great tool, and I think combined with RJ's method we have a powerful system here, about the best I've seen. All spins are actuals from Weisbaden.
TEST RESULTS
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
12 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
13 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
14 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
15 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
16 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
17 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
18 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
19 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
20 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
21 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
22 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
23 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
24 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
25 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
26 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
27 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
28 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
29 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
30 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
31 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
32 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
33 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
34 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
35 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
36 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
37 31 Bet 22 36 -22 14 414 1 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,19,20,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,35,36,0
38 20 Bet 22 36 -22 14 428 1 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,19,20,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,35,36,0
39 21 Bet 22 0 -22 -22 406 1 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,19,20,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,35,36,0
40 18 Bet 23 0 -23 -23 383 1 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,35,36,0
41 7 Bet 48 72 -48 24 407 2 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,35,36,0
42 22 Bet 48 72 -48 24 431 2 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,35,36,0
43 33 Bet 48 0 -48 -48 383 2 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,35,36,0
44 22 Bet 50 72 -50 22 405 2 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,33,35,36
2 : 0
45 13 Bet 50 72 -50 22 427 2 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,33,35,36
2 : 0
46 33 Bet 50 72 -50 22 449 2 : 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,13,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,28,29,30,31,33,35,36
2 : 0
47 5 Bet 12 36 -12 24 473 1 : 3,5,9,12,14,15,16,17,25,27,32,34
48 23 Bet 12 0 -12 -12 461 1 : 3,5,9,12,14,15,16,17,25,27,32,34
49 14 Bet 11 36 -11 25 486 1 : 3,9,12,14,15,16,17,25,27,32,34
50 6 Bet 11 0 -11 -11 475 1 : 3,9,12,14,15,16,17,25,27,32,34
51 16 Bet 11 36 -11 25 500 1 : 3,9,12,14,15,16,17,25,27,32,34
+100 units in 51 spins
Quote from: MATTJONO on May 13, 2009, 04:17:13 PM
and if the unique numbers are below 24 at spin 36 we could flatbet the unhit numbers maybe.
cheers,
mattjono
p.s we could end up finding the perfect session from start to finish going of the circustances of the unhit/hit numbers and the law of the 3rd.
I'm thinking that this little collaboration of ours just made a major breakthrough!!! :yahoo:
Quote from: loufran on May 13, 2009, 01:40:51 PM
Hi again RJ!
Here is the last test I made. . . I tried to perfect my playing but this time don't know what's going on!! I stopped because my 500 units bankroll would have burst. . .
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 500
1 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
2 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
3 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
4 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
5 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
6 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
7 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
8 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
9 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
10 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
11 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
12 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
13 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
14 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
15 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
16 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
17 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
18 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
19 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
20 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
21 13 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 482 1 : 1,3,6,9,10,12,15,16,19,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,32,35
22 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 482
23 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 482
24 2 Bet 40 0 -40 -40 442 2 : 1,3,6,9,10,12,13,15,16,19,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,32,33,35
25 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 442
26 34 Bet 84 0 -84 -84 358 4 : 1,2,3,6,9,10,12,13,15,16,19,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,32,33,35
27 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 358
28 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 358
29 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 358
30 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 358
31 20 Bet 200 0 -200 -200 158 8 : 1,2,3,6,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,18,19,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,32,33,348 : 35
I think I was wrong again. . . . as everyone performs with it!!! But where ??
Cheers
You almost had it perfect there Loufran. The only error you made was after spin 20, you placed bets and the hit spin (and lost on spin 21). The soonest you can ever place a bet is after spin 21. The reason for that is you have to wait until you have 17 different numbers in 20 spins (which you did) AND THEN you wait for a bet trigger (a number doubles, triples, quadruples, etc.) AND THEN you place your bets.
Had you done that in the session you've posted you would have only bet 3 times by the time you got to spin 31 (and you wouldn't have lost as much as you did, because you'd be one step behind where you were in the progession) and as the system explains, if you get to spin 31 and you have bet 3 OR LESS times you follow it out to spin 37.
If you have bet 4 times OR MORE by the time you get to spin 31 you quite and start a new session (re-tracking the last 20 spins).
Other than that it looks as though you are playing the system perfectly. Now that you know not to place a bet on spin 20 go ahead and give it a shot and let's hear your results!
do you bet every trigger up to spin 31 or stop on a win ?
if I've lost my first bet (ex. -17)....do you recommend betting 1 unit again to show just 1-2 units of profit...from your experience what should be the minimum profit goal every bet ??
Quote from: kompressor on May 13, 2009, 05:17:12 PM
do you bet every trigger up to spin 31 or stop on a win ?
if I've lost my first bet (ex. -17)....do you recommend betting 1 unit again to show just 1-2 units of profit...from your experience what should be the minimum profit goal ??
Well, using the bet calculator designed for this system, if on a win my projected profit is to be below 5 units I add one unit to the suggested bet amount. If my projected profit is above 5 dollars I bet the amount suggested. That way on a win I never win less than 5 units (usually the profit is 17-19 units).
With that said, I always quit on a win and re-track my previous 20 spins and then wait for another bet trigger. However, I'm not saying this is the best way to go, just the system as I've explained and tested it. If you test it and find that it's best to continue playing after a win for, let's say, one more win. Then by all means throw that out there. Go ahead and test it the way it's supposed to, and then with your modifications and post your results.
This is why I've posted the system here, for you guys to try it and tell us all that it's either the HG (HAHA), that it's complete garbage altogether, or that it's good but (place improvements here) will make it better.
Hello,
Results for Wiesbaden Table 3, May 12.
10 first sessions.
Always roll-back (keep last 20 spins).
Worst down: Session 3 = -493 after the bet (before the win).
[attachimg=#1]
The number of spins for the sessions 2 - 10 includes the 20 roll-back spins.
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
Here are my results for 185 spins with that progression : 1 2 4
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 500
1 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
2 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
3 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
4 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
5 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
6 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
7 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
8 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
9 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
10 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
11 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
12 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
13 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
14 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
15 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
16 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
17 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
18 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
19 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
20 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
21 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
22 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
23 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
24 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
25 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
26 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
27 23 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 483 1 : 3,5,6,7,12,17,19,20,21,22,25,26,27,28,32,33,0
28 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 483
29 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 483
30 12 Bet 38 72 -38 34 517 2 : 3,5,6,7,12,15,17,19,20,21,22,23,25,26,27,28,32,33,0
31 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 517
32 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 517
33 12 Bet 17 36 -17 19 536 1 : 3,5,9,12,15,19,20,21,22,23,25,26,27,28,32,33,0
34 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
35 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
36 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
37 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
38 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
39 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
40 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
41 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
42 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
43 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
44 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
45 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
46 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
47 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
48 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
49 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
50 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
51 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
52 31 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 519 1 : 1,3,5,7,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,21,25,33,34,36
53 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 519
54 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 519
55 13 Bet 38 72 -38 34 553 2 : 1,5,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,21,25,31,33,34,35,36
56 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
57 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
58 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
59 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
60 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
61 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
62 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
63 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
64 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
65 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
66 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
67 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
68 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
69 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
70 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
71 16 Bet 20 0 -20 -20 533 1 : 1,2,3,5,7,8,10,11,13,15,17,20,22,25,27,28,31,32,35,36
72 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 533
73 11 Bet 42 72 -42 30 563 2 : 1,2,3,5,7,8,10,11,13,15,16,17,20,22,25,27,28,31,32,35,36
74 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 563
75 22 Bet 18 36 -18 18 581 1 : 1,2,3,5,10,11,13,15,16,17,20,22,25,27,28,32,35,36
76 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 581
77 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 581
78 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 581
79 4 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 563 1 : 1,2,3,5,10,11,12,15,16,17,20,22,25,27,28,32,33,36
80 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 563
81 7 Bet 38 0 -38 -38 525 2 : 1,2,3,4,5,10,11,12,15,16,17,20,22,25,27,28,32,33,36
82 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
83 12 Bet 80 144 -80 64 589 4 : 1,2,3,4,5,7,10,11,12,15,16,17,20,22,25,27,28,32,33,36
84 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
85 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
86 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
87 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
88 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
89 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
90 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
91 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
92 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
93 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
94 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
95 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
96 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
97 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
98 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
99 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
100 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
101 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
102 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
103 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
104 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
105 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
106 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
107 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
108 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
109 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
110 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
111 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
112 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
113 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
114 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
115 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
116 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
117 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
118 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
119 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
120 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
121 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
122 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
123 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
124 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
125 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
126 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
127 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
128 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
129 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
130 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
131 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
132 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
133 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
134 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
135 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
136 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
137 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
138 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
139 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
140 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
141 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
142 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
143 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
144 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
145 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
146 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
147 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
148 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
149 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
150 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
151 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
152 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
153 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
154 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
155 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
156 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
157 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
158 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
159 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
160 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
161 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
162 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
163 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
164 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
165 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
166 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
167 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
168 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
169 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
170 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
171 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
172 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
173 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
174 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
175 3 Bet 19 36 -19 17 606 1 : 3,4,5,7,8,12,13,14,16,18,19,21,24,25,26,27,29,34,36
176 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 606
177 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 606
178 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 606
179 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 606
180 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 606
181 7 Bet 21 36 -21 15 621 1 : 3,5,7,8,9,12,13,14,16,18,19,20,21,24,25,26,28,29,34,35,36
182 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 621
183 22 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 604 1 : 3,5,7,8,9,14,16,18,20,21,24,26,28,29,34,35,36
184 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 604
185 26 Bet 36 72 -36 36 640 2 : 3,5,7,8,9,14,16,18,20,21,22,24,26,28,29,34,35,36
+140 in 45 min. . . Excellent!!! ::)
I think I undersood perfectly the system RJ. Hower tell me if there is anything wrong in what I did.
Cheers
Quote from: loufran on May 13, 2009, 05:50:56 PM
Here are my results for 185 spins with that progression : 1 2 4
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 500
1 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
2 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
3 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
4 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
5 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
6 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
7 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
8 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
9 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
10 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
11 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
12 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
13 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
14 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
15 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
16 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
17 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
18 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
19 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
20 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
21 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
22 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
23 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
24 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
25 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
26 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
27 23 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 483 1 : 3,5,6,7,12,17,19,20,21,22,25,26,27,28,32,33,0
28 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 483
29 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 483
30 12 Bet 38 72 -38 34 517 2 : 3,5,6,7,12,15,17,19,20,21,22,23,25,26,27,28,32,33,0
31 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 517
32 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 517
33 12 Bet 17 36 -17 19 536 1 : 3,5,9,12,15,19,20,21,22,23,25,26,27,28,32,33,0
34 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
35 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
36 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
37 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
38 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
39 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
40 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
41 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
42 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
43 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
44 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
45 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
46 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
47 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
48 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
49 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
50 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
51 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 536
52 31 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 519 1 : 1,3,5,7,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,21,25,33,34,36
53 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 519
54 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 519
55 13 Bet 38 72 -38 34 553 2 : 1,5,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,21,25,31,33,34,35,36
56 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
57 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
58 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
59 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
60 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
61 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
62 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
63 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
64 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
65 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
66 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
67 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
68 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
69 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
70 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 553
71 16 Bet 20 0 -20 -20 533 1 : 1,2,3,5,7,8,10,11,13,15,17,20,22,25,27,28,31,32,35,36
72 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 533
73 11 Bet 42 72 -42 30 563 2 : 1,2,3,5,7,8,10,11,13,15,16,17,20,22,25,27,28,31,32,35,36
74 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 563
75 22 Bet 18 36 -18 18 581 1 : 1,2,3,5,10,11,13,15,16,17,20,22,25,27,28,32,35,36
76 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 581
77 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 581
78 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 581
79 4 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 563 1 : 1,2,3,5,10,11,12,15,16,17,20,22,25,27,28,32,33,36
80 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 563
81 7 Bet 38 0 -38 -38 525 2 : 1,2,3,4,5,10,11,12,15,16,17,20,22,25,27,28,32,33,36
82 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
83 12 Bet 80 144 -80 64 589 4 : 1,2,3,4,5,7,10,11,12,15,16,17,20,22,25,27,28,32,33,36
84 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
85 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
86 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
87 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
88 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
89 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
90 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
91 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
92 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
93 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
94 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
95 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
96 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
97 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
98 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
99 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
100 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
101 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
102 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
103 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
104 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
105 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
106 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
107 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
108 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
109 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
110 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
111 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
112 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
113 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
114 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
115 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
116 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
117 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
118 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
119 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
120 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
121 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
122 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
123 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
124 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
125 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
126 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
127 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
128 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
129 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
130 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
131 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
132 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
133 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
134 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
135 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
136 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
137 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
138 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
139 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
140 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
141 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
142 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
143 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
144 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
145 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
146 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
147 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
148 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
149 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
150 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
151 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
152 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
153 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
154 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
155 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
156 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
157 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
158 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
159 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
160 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
161 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
162 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
163 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
164 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
165 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
166 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
167 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
168 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
169 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
170 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
171 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
172 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
173 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
174 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 589
175 3 Bet 19 36 -19 17 606 1 : 3,4,5,7,8,12,13,14,16,18,19,21,24,25,26,27,29,34,36
176 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 606
177 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 606
178 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 606
179 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 606
180 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 606
181 7 Bet 21 36 -21 15 621 1 : 3,5,7,8,9,12,13,14,16,18,19,20,21,24,25,26,28,29,34,35,36
182 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 621
183 22 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 604 1 : 3,5,7,8,9,14,16,18,20,21,24,26,28,29,34,35,36
184 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 604
185 26 Bet 36 72 -36 36 640 2 : 3,5,7,8,9,14,16,18,20,21,22,24,26,28,29,34,35,36
+140 in 45 min. . . Excellent!!! ::)
I think I undersood perfectly the system RJ. Hower tell me if there is anything wrong in what I did.
Cheers
Awesome!! I'm practically screaming (inside my head...lots of stuf in there) lol. Anyway, it looks as though this was the system played to a T there LouFran. I don't see an error in how you played at all. Glad to see that you not only have the system down and played it perfectly, but you you made yourself a nice profit to boot!
Keep it up there LouFran, and everybody else let's see your results (if possible with spins, just to make sure it was played correctly). WooHoo!
Quote from: Homeito on May 13, 2009, 05:48:32 PM
Hello,
Results for Wiesbaden Table 3, May 12.
10 first sessions.
Always roll-back (keep last 20 spins).
Worst down: Session 3 = -493 after the bet (before the win).
[attachimg=#1]
The number of spins for the sessions 2 - 10 includes the 20 roll-back spins.
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
Again, great stuff! I couldn't be happier! Thanks again to everybody for reading and contributing, really encouraging (and shows that I brought my idea to the right place). Since I can't see your spins and bet data I have to assume you're playing it correctly (that and you keep winning...lol). But keep it coming there HomeIto!
I saw a post by VLSRoulette (Victor) in another thread where he suggested to somebody that had come up with a system that placed bets (regarding their amounts not placement) in a way that is similar to mine in that it always bets enough to turn a profit when a win comes.
Victors suggestion was to establish a common drawdown point (based on a of a couple of thousand spins) and once you have that common drawdown point established to set the system up in a way that if you have gone down below that common drawdown point you quit and start a new session. So if the common drawdown point is, let's say for instance, 250 units and you are currently at a drawdown of 270 you quit and start over.
So a session might look like this:
BR
500
550
600
650
700
750
800 (and then comes the point where you have hit surpassed that common drawdown point of 250, and your at a drawdown of 270. You quit and start over)
530
580
630
680
730
780
etc.
Just an idea that I haven't developed yet (but will, as I have decided to have this system coded for RXtreme but it will take me awhile to get it back from the programmer) When I do get it back I'll be able to put this system through it's paces.
In the meantime let's hear what everybody elses results are!
Guys you are very close to unlocking the holy grail by using law off 3rd this way...
Hope you realize this,it could change roulette 4 ever.
Hope the wrong people dont read this forum.
regards,
petquesha
so, what are we gonna do while we're waiting to bet? are we gonna play stand around till you see your bet, barge your way into busy table, cash down, get chips, get all those chips down, win (hopefully), cash in chips, leave and wait to do it again? or are we gonna sit at the table playing some other system? so what's the second best system around here?
Quote from: petquesha on May 13, 2009, 06:08:10 PM
Guys you are very close to unlocking the holy grail by using law off 3rd this way...
Hope you realize this,it could change roulette 4 ever.
Hope the wrong people dont read this forum.
regards,
petquesha
I wish I were egotistical enough to take that comment to heart (then I could really be excited and thank you), but since I'm not I have to say thank you (it's still genuine of course) but kind of laugh the comment off (but still hold onto some hope.) But, encouragement is encouragement regardless of the form it came in, and whether or not I actually believe it.
So thank you, I appreciate the kind words.
Quote from: simon on May 13, 2009, 06:09:20 PM
so, what are we gonna do while we're waiting to bet? are we gonna play stand around till you see your bet, barge your way into busy table, cash down, get chips, get all those chips down, win (hopefully), cash in chips, leave and wait to do it again? or are we gonna sit at the table playing some other system? so what's the second best system around here?
I'm actually working on playing this system whilst playing the perfect balance system (it only loses on average about every 3 or 4 thousand spins. That you can see for yourself as I had it coded and uploaded the .dgt file to the RXtreme coding section nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=352)
LOL, you said second best (implying hopefully that mine is in first place) Thanks there simon!
QuoteGuys you are very close to unlocking the holy grail by using law off 3rd this way...
Hope you realize this,it could change roulette 4 ever.
Hope the wrong people dont read this forum.
regards,
petquesha
WOW!
:sarcastic: :sarcastic: :sarcastic: :sarcastic: :sarcastic: :sarcastic:
QuoteI'm actually working on playing this system whilst playing the perfect balance system (it only loses on average about every 3 or 4 thousand spins.
.........hmmm, I guess I better go study that one. uh, I don't think I'm gonna play 3 or 4 thousand spins in my life time, so, if I lose with it, say even the very first time I play it, that would be quite the fluke, wouldn't it? And yet, somehow I think that's possible... as the improbable always seems to be happening, especially when I play that devil's wheel....
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 13, 2009, 04:58:34 PM
But if you look at the %'s of those 10 million Sims, you'll see there are always doubles...quite a few of them. And in 37 spins, I haven't ever seen a perfect order (how often does a roulette wheel produce perfect complex patterns for 17 spins straight) of numbers coming out like this (unhit, double, unhit, double, unhit, double, unhit, double, etc.) That's why at it's core my system is betting on the fact that two doubles will appear next to each other.
It's all of this, and a lot lot more that has led me to the system as it stands now. However, I am more than open to modifications to it and am not putting what you guys have said down or anything. Simply stating what I've experienced so you guys can learn from what I've done before (just as I am hoping to learn more from what you guys have done before).
what if the 17 numbers go double,unhit,unhit,double,unhit,double,unhit,unhit,double etc.
what I mean is that effectively you are betting on 2 doubles to appear consecutavely, not on the perfect unhit,double,unhit,double,unhit etc.
am I right? cos I think that the odds on the former of happening are shorter.
Quote from: rss on May 13, 2009, 06:23:24 PM
what if the 17 numbers go double,unhit,unhit,double,unhit,double,unhit,unhit,double etc.
what I mean is that effectively you are betting on 2 doubles to appear consecutavely, not on the perfect unhit,double,unhit,double,unhit etc.
am I right? cos I think that the odds on the former of happening are shorter.
I have a lot of thoughts...thousands probably...the thing is when I sat down and actually played a lot of times it turned out I was wrong. I am not saying that you however are wrong. All I'm saying is if you have a thought, the best way to see if it's correct is to test it.
I very well could be wrong about my system (as I often am), maybe the better way to play it would be to bet on the perfect pattern of "unhit, double, unhit, double, etc."
That's why (as I've said before) I posted my system here. So others could test it, and then respond with their test results and possible improvements. I encourage you to test this system against your thought and if yours is better then to please please please tell us about it.
to be honest, i did some tests, and all turned out positive. (just wanted to point out that the bet is not against the perfect pattern, but it is betting for 2 W to appear 1 after the other). In fact, i am sure that with some tests and ideas from everyone, this can be proved to be a long term winner, cos i really think this is a great system.(attacking the law of averages is the roulette's weakness me thinks!)
This weekend i'll test it more intensely, and will post my findings here.
Well done btw and thanks for sharing :)
Quote from: Herb
WOW!
:sarcastic: :sarcastic: :sarcastic: :sarcastic: :sarcastic: :sarcastic:
Watch it, Herb. Haven't you heard? We aren't allowed opinions any more. All critics end up in the naysayers section.
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 500
1 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
2 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
3 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
4 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
5 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
6 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
7 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
8 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
9 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
10 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
11 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
12 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
13 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
14 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
15 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
16 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
17 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
18 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
19 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
20 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
21 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
22 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
23 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
24 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
25 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
26 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
27 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
28 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
29 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
30 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
31 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
32 25 Bet 22 0 -22 -22 478 1 : 1,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,15,16,17,18,20,21,22,26,28,30,33,36,0
33 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 478
34 35 Bet 46 0 -46 -46 432 2 : 1,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,15,16,17,18,20,21,22,25,26,28,30,33,36,0
35 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 432
36 13 Bet 138 216 -138 78 510 6 : 1,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,15,16,17,18,20,21,22,25,28,30,33,35,36,0
37 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 510
38 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 510
39 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 510
40 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 510
41 24 Bet 20 0 -20 -20 490 1 : 1,8,9,11,13,16,17,20,22,25,26,27,28,30,32,33,34,35,36,0
42 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 490
43 19 Bet 42 0 -42 -42 448 2 : 1,8,9,11,13,16,17,20,22,24,25,26,27,28,30,32,33,34,35,36,0
44 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 448
45 33 Bet 110 180 -110 70 518 5 : 1,8,9,11,13,16,17,19,20,22,24,25,26,27,28,30,32,33,34,35,36,0
46 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 518
47 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 518
48 36 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 500 1 : 1,8,9,11,13,19,22,23,24,25,26,27,30,32,33,34,35,0
49 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
50 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
51 6 Bet 40 0 -40 -40 460 2 : 1,5,8,9,11,13,19,22,23,24,25,26,27,30,32,33,34,35,36,0
52 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 460
53 26 Bet 84 144 -84 60 520 4 : 1,5,6,8,9,11,13,19,22,23,24,25,26,27,30,32,33,34,35,36,0
54 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 520
55 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 520
56 26 Bet 18 36 -18 18 538 1 : 5,6,9,11,13,15,19,23,24,25,26,27,30,32,33,34,35,36
57 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
58 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
59 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
60 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
61 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
62 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
63 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
64 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
65 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
66 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
67 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
68 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
69 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
70 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
71 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
72 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
73 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
74 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
75 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
76 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
77 30 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 520 1 : 1,3,9,11,12,13,15,18,20,21,23,25,26,27,29,34,36,0
78 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 520
79 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 520
80 0 Bet 40 72 -40 32 552 2 : 1,3,9,11,12,13,15,18,19,20,21,23,25,26,27,29,30,34,36,0
+52 in 80 spins
Hey again everybody. I just wanted to post my results from 345 spins (downloaded from spielburg). I am +353 units and I have posted as an attachment to this thread three things:
Snapshot of bankroll balance trend: so you can visually see what your bankroll does with this system
An excel file of all 345 spins (with betting history of course).
And finally, the .rmd file (for those of you who have RXtreme, you can download this session to your desktop, and then open it with RXTreme and look at any statistics you want.)
Enjoy! (let's get some more test results up here)
OH, sorry about that guys, but I can't upload .rmd files to this forum, so I uploaded it to mediafire. Anybody who has RXtreme that wants to view the file can download it here:nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b320ba1087b5a97400d27174b47c6657ce36de10a6fc9a5cce018c8114394287 (nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b320ba1087b5a97400d27174b47c6657ce36de10a6fc9a5cce018c8114394287)
Make sure if you view the bankroll balance trend you click the "expand to actual size button" on the top right.
Also, you'll notice at the bottom it says modified perfect balance system, that system was not in use, it was just the last system I had open with RXtreme. It leaves whatever the last system you used at the bottom of the window for some reason even if its in-active.
RJ,
Just to be clear the method as explained in the PDF within the the first post is your most current and complete? I only ask because I tend to go off in a million different directions when testing and I want to be sure I test the method as it currently stands correctly without modifications just yet.
I plan on running thru a few hundred actuals from my casino play this evening. I will post all the results including spins and any and all comments.
Thanks,
SC
rj
Haven't gotten around to testing yet, but it's looking good.
Rpro
Your tracker is also looking good. The power of 1,2,3 ... ::)
TTT
@ LouFran: You're awesome, I appreciate the diligence in your efforts (as I'm sure everybody else does too) :thumbsup:
@Innovcon: Yes, that's right. I actually made the PDF file 3 different times (the first two I accidentally forgot to type a couple things) and I posted the final one to the opening post to this thread. So if you downloaded it via that link, then you're all set.
@TicTacToe: Thank you very much, I really appreciate it. I can't wait to hear your results!
Hello,
RJ...
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 13, 2009, 05:58:31 PM
Since I can't see your spins and bet data I have to assume you're playing it correctly (that and you keep winning...lol). But keep it coming there HomeIto!
Yes I understand now that you want to see them.
So I made an output feature to the program.
If any one is interested I will also make automatic input and post it.
(Remember: Mac only)
I attach the complete 15 session May 12 (yesterday) output as a .txt-file.
I hope it is correct because all sessions won:
+9, +17, +11, +16, +19, +19, +19, +19, +13, +16, +1, +10, +8, +19, +11
Worst down: -493 (session 3), -239 (9), -242 (12)
The rest was max 64 down.
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
Absolutely spectacular, I'm impressed HomeIto! (I just can't fully appreciate the program you made as I don't have a Mac). And if you got the system wrong I want your method anyway (lol). As soon as I review the spin data (doing that now) I will let you know if it's correct. (I'm pretty sure it is though, you seem like you've done this before).
GREAT THREAD!!! :thumbsup: Show must go on. . . :yahoo:
Anybody with a Mac I suggest you use HomeIto's program. It is my system to a T so far as I can tell (it didn't get to a point where it lost only 3 times before spin 31 allowing me to see whether or not it finishes the system until a win or it has tracked 37 spins. It also didn't get to the point where it lost 4 times by the time it got to spin 31...easier way to put it, you never got past spin 31.)
Great stuff!
Quote from: Number Six on May 13, 2009, 06:37:39 PM
Watch it, Herb. Haven't you heard? We aren't allowed opinions any more. All critics end up in the naysayers section.
That's not fair No.6 :nono:
As normal Victor is trying to keep everyone happy, not an easy task.....
Lately we have had people getting personal with there posts & more and more threads going to the pit.
All the moderating team try to do is keep threads, thoughts n ideas running.....
Unfortunately with some people here that just isn't possible.... :-[
Ok, I am really excited about this and I have been working diligently for the past two hours on this. I feel like my head is going to explode. I close my eyes and see numbers swimming around in my head! :blink: Here is what I have come up with and it's working great, no, better than great. You use the tracker with this system and here it is:
1. You will begin tracking as you normally would, putting the spin number (not the roulette number) in the corresponding cell on the tracker.
Betting Opportunity 1
2. You track until you have reached 24 unique numbers. If you have done this at say, spin 29, you will bet these numbers with 1 unit on each. If you hit, you bet again with 1 unit. If you miss (not likely from what I have seen), you will bet each number with two units. If you miss again (has not happened to me yet), you will increase to 3 units per number. If you miss again, stay at 3 bets per unit until you hit and then decrease back to one unit. You will bet these numbers until spin 37 only. If you do miss and hit a unique number, you add that number in on your next bet. Every spin will be recorded on the tracking chart. This method may not bring you back up to your beginning bankroll if you lose twice but it is very rare that you will do that and irt won't matter because the next betting opportunities will far make up for that. Sometimes, you don't have 24 unique numbers until well after spin 37, that's OK, there is more to the system.
Betting Opportunity 2
3. If the spin count is greater than the the unique number count by 13 or less, you will bet all of the unique numbers. Use a small progression like 1,2,4.
4. If the spin count is greater than the unique number total by 17 or more, you will bet the un-hit numbers or "non-unique numbers".
5. If the difference between the unique number count and the spin count is 14, 15 or 16, you do not bet.
When the unique number count reaches 30, you must wipe the tracker clean and start over.
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
12 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
13 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
14 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
15 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
16 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
17 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
18 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
19 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
20 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
21 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
22 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
23 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
24 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
25 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
26 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
27 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
28 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
29 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
30 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
31 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
32 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
33 3 Bet 24 0 -24 -24 376 1 : 2,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,16,17,18,19,20,22,25,28,30,31,33,34,35,36
34 2 Bet 50 72 -50 22 398 2 : 2,3,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,16,17,18,19,20,22,25,28,30,31,33,34,35
2 : 36
35 16 Bet 25 36 -25 11 409 1 : 2,3,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,16,17,18,19,20,22,25,28,30,31,33,34,35
1 : 36
36 30 Bet 25 36 -25 11 420 1 : 2,3,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,16,17,18,19,20,22,25,28,30,31,33,34,35
1 : 36
37 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 420
38 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 420
39 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 420
40 4 Bet 11 36 -11 25 445 1 : 4,10,15,21,23,24,26,27,29,32,0
41 13 Bet 11 0 -11 -11 434 1 : 4,10,15,21,23,24,26,27,29,32,0
42 29 Bet 11 36 -11 25 459 1 : 4,10,15,21,23,24,26,27,29,32,0
43 11 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 449 1 : 4,10,15,21,23,24,26,27,32,0
44 15 Bet 10 36 -10 26 475 1 : 4,10,15,21,23,24,26,27,32,0
45 0 Bet 10 36 -10 26 501 1 : 4,10,15,21,23,24,26,27,32,0
46 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
47 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
48 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
49 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
50 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
51 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
52 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
53 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
54 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
55 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
56 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
57 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
58 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
59 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
60 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
61 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
62 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
63 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
64 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
65 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
66 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
67 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
68 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
69 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
70 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
71 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
72 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
73 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
74 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
75 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
76 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
77 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
78 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
79 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
80 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
81 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
82 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
83 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
84 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
85 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
86 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
87 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
88 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
89 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
90 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
91 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
92 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
93 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
94 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
95 1 Bet 13 0 -13 -13 488 1 : 11,12,13,15,17,20,22,25,27,29,31,35,0
96 32 Bet 13 0 -13 -13 475 1 : 11,12,13,15,17,20,22,25,27,29,31,35,0
97 13 Bet 26 72 -26 46 521 2 : 11,12,13,15,17,20,22,25,27,29,31,35,0
98 11 Bet 13 36 -13 23 544 1 : 11,12,13,15,17,20,22,25,27,29,31,35,0
99 14 Bet 11 0 -11 -11 533 1 : 12,15,17,20,22,25,27,29,31,35,0
100 19 Bet 11 0 -11 -11 522 1 : 12,15,17,20,22,25,27,29,31,35,0
101 19 Bet 22 0 -22 -22 500 2 : 12,15,17,20,22,25,27,29,31,35,0
102 35 Bet 22 72 -22 50 550 2 : 12,15,17,20,22,25,27,29,31,35,0
103 31 Bet 10 36 -10 26 576 1 : 12,15,17,20,22,25,27,29,31,0
104 35 Bet 9 0 -9 -9 567 1 : 12,15,17,20,22,25,27,29,0
105 8 Bet 9 0 -9 -9 558 1 : 12,15,17,20,22,25,27,29,0
106 12 Bet 9 36 -9 27 585 1 : 12,15,17,20,22,25,27,29,0
107 13 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 577 1 : 15,17,20,22,25,27,29,0
108 10 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 569 1 : 15,17,20,22,25,27,29,0
109 6 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 561 1 : 15,17,20,22,25,27,29,0
110 19 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 553 1 : 15,17,20,22,25,27,29,0
111 13 Bet 16 0 -16 -16 537 2 : 15,17,20,22,25,27,29,0
112 27 Bet 16 72 -16 56 593 2 : 15,17,20,22,25,27,29,0
113 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
114 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
115 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
116 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
117 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
118 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
119 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
120 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
121 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
122 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
123 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
124 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
125 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
126 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
127 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
128 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
129 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
130 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
131 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
132 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
133 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
134 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
135 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
136 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
137 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
138 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
139 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
140 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
141 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
142 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
143 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
144 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
145 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
146 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
147 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
148 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
149 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
150 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 593
151 19 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 583 1 : 7,11,12,13,16,20,21,23,25,27
152 18 Bet 20 0 -20 -20 563 2 : 7,11,12,13,16,20,21,23,25,27
153 4 Bet 30 0 -30 -30 533 3 : 7,11,12,13,16,20,21,23,25,27
154 34 Bet 40 0 -40 -40 493 4 : 7,11,12,13,16,20,21,23,25,27
155 22 Bet 40 0 -40 -40 453 4 : 7,11,12,13,16,20,21,23,25,27
156 35 Bet 60 0 -60 -60 393 6 : 7,11,12,13,16,20,21,23,25,27
157 22 Bet 60 0 -60 -60 333 6 : 7,11,12,13,16,20,21,23,25,27
158 17 Bet 100 0 -100 -100 233 10 : 7,11,12,13,16,20,21,23,25,27
159 13 Bet 140 504 -140 364 597 14 : 7,11,12,13,16,20,21,23,25,27
160 11 Bet 12 36 -12 24 621 1 : 7,11,12,16,20,21,23,25,27,28,29,32
161 30 Bet 11 0 -11 -11 610 1 : 7,12,16,20,21,23,25,27,28,29,32
162 7 Bet 11 36 -11 25 635 1 : 7,12,16,20,21,23,25,27,28,29,32
163 7 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 625 1 : 12,16,20,21,23,25,27,28,29,32
164 18 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 615 1 : 12,16,20,21,23,25,27,28,29,32
165 29 Bet 10 36 -10 26 641 1 : 12,16,20,21,23,25,27,28,29,32
166 0 Bet 9 0 -9 -9 632 1 : 12,16,20,21,23,25,27,28,32
167 34 Bet 9 0 -9 -9 623 1 : 12,16,20,21,23,25,27,28,32
168 18 Bet 9 0 -9 -9 614 1 : 12,16,20,21,23,25,27,28,32
169 17 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 596 2 : 12,16,20,21,23,25,27,28,32
170 0 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 578 2 : 12,16,20,21,23,25,27,28,32
171 12 Bet 27 108 -27 81 659 3 : 12,16,20,21,23,25,27,28,32
172 14 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 651 1 : 16,20,21,23,25,27,28,32
173 11 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 643 1 : 16,20,21,23,25,27,28,32
174 6 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 635 1 : 16,20,21,23,25,27,28,32
175 19 Bet 16 0 -16 -16 619 2 : 16,20,21,23,25,27,28,32
176 20 Bet 16 72 -16 56 675 2 : 16,20,21,23,25,27,28,32
177 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 675
178 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 675
179 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 675
180 6 No Bet 0 0 0
QuoteAnybody with a Mac I suggest you use HomeIto's program. It is my system to a T so far as I can tell (it didn't get to a point where it lost only 3 times before spin 31 allowing me to see whether or not it finishes the system until a win or it has tracked 37 spins. It also didn't get to the point where it lost 4 times by the time it got to spin 31...easier way to put it, you never got past spin 31.)
Great stuff!
I've got an Aluminum Macbook Intel ... And I can't run it .... What am I missing ?
Homeito ??????
TTT
Quote from: TicTacToe on May 13, 2009, 07:57:29 PM
I've got an Aluminum Macbook Intel ... And I can't run it .... What am I missing ?
Homeito ??????
TTT
TTT...
Too bad... :(
I works on my iMac. Intel.
PM me and describe what happens. If anything ;)
I will look into it tomorrow evening (it is 1 am now and I am busy all day tomorrow).
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
This application cannot be launched ...
What application am I missing ?
TTT
I'll take the time to answer myself ...
Intel Macbook running OSX Leopard 5.6 does no longer run Classic Mac applications.
There is however a program called Sheepsaver that can emulate classic mode .... but seems quite complicated to install and get running.
So thank you for your effort Homeito.
TTT
Short 50 spin session using Random.org and RPro's excel tracker
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Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 13, 2009, 07:16:51 PM
Hey again everybody. I just wanted to post my results from 345 spins (downloaded from spielburg). I am +353 units and I have posted as an attachment to this thread three things:
Snapshot of bankroll balance trend: so you can visually see what your bankroll does with this system
An excel file of all 345 spins (with betting history of course).
And finally, the .rmd file (for those of you who have RXtreme, you can download this session to your desktop, and then open it with RXTreme and look at any statistics you want.)
Enjoy! (let's get some more test results up here)
It's the same post as before, with the same files only I am now 446 spins into it and am +458 units. So if you downloaded the other ones, just download these and overwrite the old file (because all of these share the exact same name).
The link for the .rmd file is :nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b320ba1087b5a97400d27174b47c6657ce36de10a6fc9a5cce018c8114394287 (nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b320ba1087b5a97400d27174b47c6657ce36de10a6fc9a5cce018c8114394287)
:yahoo: :dance:
That graph SO makes my day!
did you make this for live and landbased? Do you think it works with the RNG?
Sealine, I've only tested it with RNG spins. No, not real money (yet) I'm going to try to get thru 1000 RX randomly generated spins and post the results here. If there are no major set backs ie. any flaws found throughout those 1000 spins, I will then put up or shut up lol and throw in some cash and play this system against the real money RNG.
Ok, I've again tweaked the tracker. I added a line that is labeled "bet count" on the top of the sheet. This is simply the difference between the unique number total and the spin count. This is how I determine what set of numbers to bet on (hit=unique, or unhit=non-unique) and here are the rules for how I have been using it. This is about as simplified as I can get it. I have added the three important pieces of information to the very top of the spreadsheet for ease of use (Spin Count, Bet Count, Unique Number Count). The test spreadsheet is included for download.
1. Track spins until your unique number total is 24.
2. Anytime your bet count is 16 or less you bet on the unique (hit) numbers.
3. When your bet count is 17-21 you do not bet.
4. If your bet count is 22 or greater you bet on non-unique (unhit) numbers.
5. Play stops when your unique number count reaches 30.
-When play stops, you will delete everything from inside the spin log area and begin again. After a win, check your parameters and bet accordingly. On the first loss, increase unit bet by 1, on second loss, increase by 2, etc. until you have a win. Ok, I am done for today, my brain is FRIED now!!! :blink:
Here is my first test playing this way:
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
12 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
13 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
14 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
15 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
16 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
17 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
18 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
19 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
20 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
21 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
22 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
23 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
24 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
25 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
26 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
27 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
28 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
29 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
30 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
31 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
32 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
33 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
34 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
35 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
36 20 Bet 24 36 -24 12 412 1 : 6,7,9,10,13,15,16,17,18,19,20,23,24,25,26,28,29,30,31,33,34,35,36,0
37 8 Bet 24 0 -24 -24 388 1 : 6,7,9,10,13,15,16,17,18,19,20,23,24,25,26,28,29,30,31,33,34,35,36,0
38 23 Bet 50 72 -50 22 410 2 : 6,7,8,9,10,13,15,16,17,18,19,20,23,24,25,26,28,29,30,31,33,34,35,36
2 : 0
39 8 Bet 25 36 -25 11 421 1 : 6,7,8,9,10,13,15,16,17,18,19,20,23,24,26,27,28,29,30,31,33,34,35,36
1 : 0
40 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 421
41 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 421
42 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 421
43 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 421
44 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 421
45 24 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 411 1 : 1,2,3,5,12,14,21,22,27,32
46 15 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 401 1 : 1,2,3,5,12,14,21,22,27,32
47 36 Bet 20 0 -20 -20 381 2 : 1,2,3,5,12,14,21,22,27,32
48 15 Bet 30 0 -30 -30 351 3 : 1,2,3,5,12,14,21,22,27,32
49 18 Bet 40 0 -40 -40 311 4 : 1,2,3,5,12,14,21,22,27,32
50 1 Bet 60 216 -60 156 467 6 : 1,2,3,5,12,14,21,22,27,32
51 36 Bet 9 0 -9 -9 458 1 : 2,3,5,12,14,21,22,27,32
52 11 Bet 9 0 -9 -9 449 1 : 2,3,5,12,14,21,22,27,32
53 21 Bet 18 72 -18 54 503 2 : 2,3,5,12,14,21,22,27,32
54 21 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 495 1 : 2,3,5,12,14,22,27,32
55 15 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 487 1 : 2,3,5,12,14,22,27,32
56 21 Bet 16 0 -16 -16 471 2 : 2,3,5,12,14,22,27,32
57 26 Bet 24 0 -24 -24 447 3 : 2,3,5,12,14,22,27,32
58 32 Bet 32 144 -32 112 559 4 : 2,3,5,12,14,22,27,32
+159 in 58 spins
Quote from: celiza427 on May 13, 2009, 09:47:21 PM
Sealine, I've only tested it with RNG spins. No, not real money (yet) I'm going to try to get thru 1000 RX randomly generated spins and post the results here. If there are no major set backs ie. any flaws found throughout those 1000 spins, I will then put up or shut up lol and throw in some cash and play this system against the real money RNG.
oOkei! Awesome :thumbsup:
Here is another test. The tracker "tells" you when to bet. It's almost like it lets you know what section of numbers (unique, non-unique) is most likely to hit and when to begin betting them. As the bet count rises, your chances of hitting a repeater decrease and so on. If the bet count is below 13, you are almost guaranteed a repeater. I believe that this is the best system I have ever used. Thanks, RJ! Test results and tracker sheet from this session are posted below.
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
12 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
13 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
14 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
15 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
16 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
17 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
18 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
19 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
20 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
21 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
22 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
23 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
24 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
25 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
26 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
27 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
28 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
29 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
30 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
31 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
32 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
33 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
34 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
35 2 Bet 24 36 -24 12 412 1 : 2,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,17,19,23,24,25,26,27,31,32,34,35,0
36 25 Bet 24 36 -24 12 424 1 : 2,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,17,19,23,24,25,26,27,31,32,34,35,0
37 13 Bet 24 36 -24 12 436 1 : 2,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,17,19,23,24,25,26,27,31,32,34,35,0
38 6 Bet 24 0 -24 -24 412 1 : 2,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,17,19,23,24,25,26,27,31,32,34,35,0
39 8 Bet 25 36 -25 11 423 1 : 2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,17,19,23,24,25,26,27,31,32,34,35
1 : 0
40 9 Bet 25 36 -25 11 434 1 : 2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,17,19,23,24,25,26,27,31,32,34,35
1 : 0
41 4 Bet 25 36 -25 11 445 1 : 2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,17,19,23,24,25,26,27,31,32,34,35
1 : 0
42 5 Bet 25 36 -25 11 456 1 : 2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,17,19,23,24,25,26,27,31,32,34,35
1 : 0
43 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 456
44 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 456
45 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 456
46 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 456
47 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 456
48 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 456
49 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 456
50 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 456
51 0 Bet 9 0 -9 -9 447 1 : 1,3,16,18,20,22,29,30,33
52 31 Bet 9 0 -9 -9 438 1 : 1,3,16,18,20,22,29,30,33
53 19 Bet 9 0 -9 -9 429 1 : 1,3,16,18,20,22,29,30,33
54 4 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 411 2 : 1,3,16,18,20,22,29,30,33
55 35 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 393 2 : 1,3,16,18,20,22,29,30,33
56 16 Bet 27 108 -27 81 474 3 : 1,3,16,18,20,22,29,30,33
57 24 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 466 1 : 1,3,18,20,22,29,30,33
58 25 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 458 1 : 1,3,18,20,22,29,30,33
59 18 Bet 8 36 -8 28 486 1 : 1,3,18,20,22,29,30,33
+86 units in 59 spins
I am tring to see how much differently I have been playing the stsrem as compared to RJ's PDF describing it. Some things are different, such as where and when I bet, but the concept is generally the same. I have to say as far as systems go, this one is better than any system that is being sold for upwards of $50 or more. I just want to say how proud it makes me feel to see how we have all worked together to make this system something great. We have all collaborated and brainstormed together and look what we have done. This forum and its members is the BEST roulette website on the net right now. Nobody else even comes close!! This is the way to the answer, I can feel it in my tired and burnt out mind!!! :biggrin: Keep up the great work everyone!
Great alterations to your bet selections RPro :thumbsup: Looks like it's going well for you. I'm going to definitely take a look at how you play more closely once I get through these 1000 spins. Right now I'm sticking straight with the original, but your way looks like it's going equally as well. Nice!
Here's spins 186 - 300. I am using random spins thru RXtreme. Bets are placed according to the 10 Spins Bet Calc. First 2 bets want at least 5+ in profit, 3rd bet on will take break even bet.
Won all sessions within 10 spins, +129 units.
Quote from: celiza427 on May 14, 2009, 01:52:21 AM
Great alterations to your bet selections RPro :thumbsup: Looks like it's going well for you. I'm going to definitely take a look at how you play more closely once I get through these 1000 spins. Right now I'm sticking straight with the original, but your way looks like it's going equally as well. Nice!
Here's spins 186 - 300. I am using random spins thru RXtreme. Bets are placed according to the 10 Spins Bet Calc. First 2 bets want at least 5+ in profit, 3rd bet on will take break even bet.
Won all sessions within 10 spins, +129 units.
Excellent! As I said, the law of the third is a real and proven phenomena. This system takes advantage of that. When you reach 24-26 unique numbers in 37 spins, it's a safe bet to bet those unique numbers to repeat. Some people will say that prior spins have no bearing on what number will come out next. I, for one, do not believe that and although I cannot prove it to be untrue, I have yet to encounter anyone who can prove it to be so. Therefore, we are left with many possibilities in our quest to find a consistent winning bet. I certainly believe we have done that here. A word on RNG. I do not think this type of bet would beat RNG simply because a RNG can be programmed to give 30, or 32 unique numbers for every 37 spins and we would have no way of knowing that. A real wheel, however, is proven over the course of 1000's of spins to produce on average 22-28 unique numbers per 38 spins. This may be one of the few exploitable facts of this game. I would also like to touch on another point. There is heated debate going on as to whether or not casino personnel monitor these boards. At the risk of sounding paranoid, I for one believe they do and when they see a dangerous bet like the one we have here, I also believe they will try and discredit it. Keep up the great work guys, it's a true pleasure to see great minds work together like this in the spirit of helping and giving.
Well, for me Herb,
It's Numerology that shows us why a number should hit! Then again you should know that .... you are a Numerology moderator......not true? ;D :haha: :lol: :spiteful: :punish:
I must remind the forum that Victor has started a "Naysayers Lounge" for those who wish to challenge the information in a thread and we encourage and welcome open debate. It is your right to challenge any information in a thread, but we ask that you start a topic in the Naysayers Lounge so as not to interrupt the fluidity of the thread as others are continue to work in it. Thank you all.
Quoteam tring to see how much differently I have been playing the stsrem as compared to RJ's PDF describing it. Some things are different, such as where and when I bet, but the concept is generally the same. I have to say as far as systems go, this one is better than any system that is being sold for upwards of $50 or more. I just want to say how proud it makes me feel to see how we have all worked together to make this system something great. We have all collaborated and brainstormed together and look what we have done. This forum and its members is the BEST roulette website on the net right now. Nobody else even comes close!! This is the way to the answer, I can feel it in my tired and burnt out mind!!! Keep up the great work everyone!
I'll ask this question again:
What makes you belief that a specific number is more likely to hit than any other number?
It's important for members to ask questions about systems. So I have moved this post back where it belongs.
-Herb
Quote from: Herb on May 14, 2009, 04:01:19 AM
I'll ask this question again:
What makes you belief that a specific number is more likely to hit than any other number?
It's important for members to ask questions about systems. So I have moved this post back where it belongs.
-Herb
Herb, what makes you believe that it won't when the law of the third has been proven time and time over? Also, the question you are asking has nothing to do with the post you quoted. This system has nothing to do with believing that a certain number will hit over another number, it has to do with the fact that once you get 24 unique numbers within 37 spins, the chances of one of those unique numbers repeating within the next 3 spins is as about as sure a bet as you can make in roulette. Therefore, I believe that this post belongs in the Naysayers Lounge as it does not beg a valid question of this system but only appears to disrupt and discourage.
QuoteHerb, what makes you believe that it won't?
Probability. Since random roulette is a game of independent trials, why should your observations reduce or increase the chances of the other numbers hitting on the future spins?
The answer is: They don't.
-Herb
It would be misleading to not have questions and answers regarding the system in the same thread. People would get annoyed to be asking a question in their mind that's already been answered for example. Also if people have not thought about a particular way of looking at it (important) they would see it if it was all contained in the same thread. After all, it is all on topic, regarding the system, so any and all questions regarding the system should be here. Regardless of whether or not you like it.
I agree.
Why should observing a number that hasn't hit or observing a number that has hit make it more or less likely to hit on future spins? What is the observation doing to effect the future outcomes?
This is a tough question that people should ask.
Regards,
Herb
The following should also help you out. :)
Here is it is, the new quack meter. In recent months, the number of quacks on the board has gone up very quickly. Some of these quacks are regular people that just make an occasional outlandish claim. Others are people like James Wendall that are completely out of touch with reality.
How do we determine if a poster is worth reading, or whether it's delusional gibberish by someone that is a real quack?
Well, here's the solution to the problem. It's the QuAcK meter. Delusional posters like James, whom we all agree is a bonified quack, use certain key phrases and words that immediately demonstrate to everyone that they are a certified quack. By using a point system for these key words and phrases, we can rate the quack level of each thread and post the results at the front of each thread. If each thread on the forum has a quack rating that we can immediately view, then it will greatly reduce the time required to find the more interesting posts.
Below is the new point system. Please feel free to add on to it as you recognize the words that quacks use.
1. The poster can't form a sentence, but claims to be smarter than Einstein. 10000 points.
2. The poster claims to be smarter than Einstein: 5000 points.
3. The poster claims that ordinary math doesn't apply to their system. 500 points
4. The poster substitutes other letters to represent either R for red or B for black. For example, they may use H, M, L, or W...So far, I've seen several examples. 200 points.
5. The poster claims that they use numerology to win regularly. 500 points.
6. The poster claims that ancient monks invented roulette, not Pascal. 500 points.
7. The poster claims to have made millions using their secret system based on the law of the third. 500 points.
8. The poster claims to beat lotteries, horses, and all casino games with their system. 300 points.
9. The poster claims his system can't be tested by a computer, but Two Cat Sam shows it to work. 200 points.
10. The poster claims that there's a bet that wins consistently. 200 points.
11. The poster believes the "holy grail for roulette" will be discovered any day now! 100 points.
12. The poster claims to find patterns in randomness. 100 points.
13. The poster claims to surf the dispersion of hits in randomness. 100 points.
14. The poster claims to donate most of his winnings to children's charities. 200 points.
15. The poster offers hints in his avatar. 500 points.
16. The poster talks about himself in a daily diary. (Yes, like James for example.) 300 points.
17. The poster claims that there is a secret flaw in the layout of the roulette wheel that can be exploited. 500 points.
18. The poster claims to win $50 or more a day by just using gaming discipline and money management. 200 points.
19. The poster claims to win every time he plays. 500 points.
20. The poster claims to have a successful system that enables them to win on the outside in the long run. 200 points.
21. The poster claims that there is a consistent winning bet in roulette. 300 points.
22. The poster thinks that you can win if you can find "just the right progression." 100 points.
23. The poster thinks that the "hemi" or "bow tie" is a long term winner. 100 points.
24. The poster claims to win in the long term by making educated guesses. 400 points.
25. The poster claims to make educated guesses that are correct more than 50% of the time. 300 points.
26. The poster keeps an online journal of his betting results on the outside bets. 100 points.
27. The poster has either the family dog or cat as an avatar. 200 points.
28. The poster has an Animee figure as an avatar. 200 points.
29. The poster refers to educated people as "Math Boys." 200 points.
30. The poster claims to have developed a long term winning system. 200 points.
31. You believe "Win With Math" is real. 500 points.
32. Someone is going to find and post the "Holy Grail" any day now. 200 points.
33. You belong to a numerology study group. 200 points.
34. The poster claims that using his method that, "It's harder to not to hit the lottery then hitting it. Yes my method in fact it's not even possible to lose." 10,000 points.
35. The poster believes Dysexlic's, or Murph's posts. 100 points.
Ratings:
If you score:
Over 2000 points: You're James Wendall. You should be in a straight jacket. You belong in an institution. You believe in gov. conspiracies. You're heavily medicated and drift in and out of reality. You're blissfully ignorant and blowing spit bubbles.
1000 points or more: You're definitely a big quack. Chances are, you believe in gov. conspiracy theories as well. You should not be allowed to handle money. Other people should administer your medications. Someone else should manage your daily affairs and finances. You're blissfully ignorant and blowing spit bubbles.
700 points or more: You're a big quack. You might believe in gov. conspiracies. You probably should be medicated. You should only be allowed to hold small amounts of money at any given time. Someone other than you should manage your finances. You're ignorant and sometimes blow spit bubbles.
400 points or more.. You're probably a quack. You might believe in gov. conspiracies. You should have your wife or another family member provide you with a limited weekly allowance. Also, tell your wife to hide the checkbook if you're married.
300 points or more.. You might be a quack. You might just be ignorant. Either way, stay out of the casino, unless you go with a close family member that can monitor your gambling activities.
200 points or more.. You could be a quack. You might just be ignorant. Read more information about probability and the mathematics of gambling before going to the casino.
Listed above is just a partial list. I'll add more to the list as I find time. Please feel free to add your own suggestions, unless your a quack.
-Herb
Hi Rpro75,
I have been following this thread for some time and find the way Rpro75 is very good and thanks for the spreadsheet which is great to keep track of the numbers.
Can you please let me know why we don't bet when bet count between 17-21? ???
"3. When your bet count is 17-21 you do not bet. "
Regards
Dvdmaster
Anyway, back to the heart of the thread and what we are here for and that is testing and researching. This is my third go with the tracker and still going strong. I think the relationship between the bet count and deciding where to bet is most important. If the bet count is low, it means there have been more unique numbers out in less spins so therefore you are more likely to hit a repeater. If the bet count is high, it means that the spin count is higher in relationship to the unique numbers that have appeared so you are more likely to get an unhit. I just need to get the correlation of those numbers right and this is some powerful stuff. I am using actuals from Weisbaden and also, I always include the tracker so you can see the bet count, etc.
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
12 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
13 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
14 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
15 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
16 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
17 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
18 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
19 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
20 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
21 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
22 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
23 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
24 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
25 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
26 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
27 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
28 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
29 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
30 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
31 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
32 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
33 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
34 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
35 36 Bet 24 0 -24 -24 376 1 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32,35
36 36 Bet 75 108 -75 33 409 3 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32,35
3 : 36
37 14 Bet 25 0 -25 -25 384 1 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32,35
1 : 36
38 28 Bet 76 108 -76 32 416 3 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32,35
3 : 36
39 14 Bet 26 36 -26 10 426 1 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32
1 : 35,36
40 5 Bet 26 36 -26 10 436 1 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32
1 : 35,36
41 11 Bet 26 36 -26 10 446 1 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32
1 : 35,36
42 6 Bet 26 0 -26 -26 420 1 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31,32
1 : 35,36
43 3 Bet 81 108 -81 27 447 3 : 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,29,31
3 : 32,35,36
44 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 447
45 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 447
46 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 447
47 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 447
48 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 447
49 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 447
50 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 447
51 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 447
52 1 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 439 1 : 12,16,20,26,30,33,34,0
53 5 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 431 1 : 12,16,20,26,30,33,34,0
54 3 Bet 16 0 -16 -16 415 2 : 12,16,20,26,30,33,34,0
55 11 Bet 16 0 -16 -16 399 2 : 12,16,20,26,30,33,34,0
56 27 Bet 24 0 -24 -24 375 3 : 12,16,20,26,30,33,34,0
57 33 Bet 32 144 -32 112 487 4 : 12,16,20,26,30,33,34,0
+87 units in 57 spins
Quote from: dvdmaster on May 14, 2009, 04:33:38 AM
Hi Rpro75,
I have been following this thread for some time and find the way Rpro75 is very good and thanks for the spreadsheet which is great to keep track of the numbers.
Can you please let me know why we don't bet when bet count between 17-21? ???
"3. When your bet count is 17-21 you do not bet. "
Regards
Dvdmaster
It is more a less a failsafe because it seems the higher the bet count gets, the more chance you have of hitting an unhit number. Therefore, by letting the bet count raise to 22, you are basically eliminating bets that you would have probably made and lost. If you look closely at the tests, you'll see what I mean.
QuoteIf the bet count is low, it means there have been more unique numbers out in less spins so therefore you are more likely to hit a repeater. If the bet count is high, it means that the spin count is higher in relationship to the unique numbers that have appeared so you are more likely to get an unhit.
You are implying that numbers are due to hit because they haven't hit. Isn't this straight up gambler's fallacy? (As described on Wikipedia and other Encyclopedias.)
If not, then why not?
Quote from: Herb on May 14, 2009, 04:11:59 AM
Probability. Since random roulette is a game of independent trials, why should your observations reduce or increase the chances of the other numbers hitting on the future spins?
The answer is: They don't.
-Herb
Again, you are totally missing the concept. The law of the third exists, that's fact. It's not about individual numbers, it's about the 37 number wheel as a whole. Lateral thinking is necessary here. Herb, you state a lot of opinion, but very rarely do you back any of it up with proof. No offense intended. I think you should try to think outside of the box a little more.
The law of the third is an observation, like the "law of 1-37".
Simply observing it doesn't make a number more or less likely to hit.
Here is it is, the new quack meter. In recent months, the number of quacks on the board has gone up very quickly. Some of these quacks are regular people that just make an occasional outlandish claim. Others are people like James Wendall that are completely out of touch with reality.
How do we determine if a poster is worth reading, or whether it's delusional gibberish by someone that is a real quack?
Well, here's the solution to the problem. It's the QuAcK meter. Delusional posters like James, whom we all agree is a bonified quack, use certain key phrases and words that immediately demonstrate to everyone that they are a certified quack. By using a point system for these key words and phrases, we can rate the quack level of each thread and post the results at the front of each thread. If each thread on the forum has a quack rating that we can immediately view, then it will greatly reduce the time required to find the more interesting posts.
Below is the new point system. Please feel free to add on to it as you recognize the words that quacks use.
1. The poster can't form a sentence, but claims to be smarter than Einstein. 10000 points.
2. The poster claims to be smarter than Einstein: 5000 points.
3. The poster claims that ordinary math doesn't apply to their system. 500 points
4. The poster substitutes other letters to represent either R for red or B for black. For example, they may use H, M, L, or W...So far, I've seen several examples. 200 points.
5. The poster claims that they use numerology to win regularly. 500 points.
6. The poster claims that ancient monks invented roulette, not Pascal. 500 points.
7. The poster claims to have made millions using their secret system based on the law of the third. 500 points.
8. The poster claims to beat lotteries, horses, and all casino games with their system. 300 points.
9. The poster claims his system can't be tested by a computer, but Two Cat Sam shows it to work. 200 points.
10. The poster claims that there's a bet that wins consistently. 200 points.
11. The poster believes the "holy grail for roulette" will be discovered any day now! 100 points.
12. The poster claims to find patterns in randomness. 100 points.
13. The poster claims to surf the dispersion of hits in randomness. 100 points.
14. The poster claims to donate most of his winnings to children's charities. 200 points.
15. The poster offers hints in his avatar. 500 points.
16. The poster talks about himself in a daily diary. (Yes, like James for example.) 300 points.
17. The poster claims that there is a secret flaw in the layout of the roulette wheel that can be exploited. 500 points.
18. The poster claims to win $50 or more a day by just using gaming discipline and money management. 200 points.
19. The poster claims to win every time he plays. 500 points.
20. The poster claims to have a successful system that enables them to win on the outside in the long run. 200 points.
21. The poster claims that there is a consistent winning bet in roulette. 300 points.
22. The poster thinks that you can win if you can find "just the right progression." 100 points.
23. The poster thinks that the "hemi" or "bow tie" is a long term winner. 100 points.
24. The poster claims to win in the long term by making educated guesses. 400 points.
25. The poster claims to make educated guesses that are correct more than 50% of the time. 300 points.
26. The poster keeps an online journal of his betting results on the outside bets. 100 points.
27. The poster has either the family dog or cat as an avatar. 200 points.
28. The poster has an Animee figure as an avatar. 200 points.
29. The poster refers to educated people as "Math Boys." 200 points.
30. The poster claims to have developed a long term winning system. 200 points.
31. You believe "Win With Math" is real. 500 points.
32. Someone is going to find and post the "Holy Grail" any day now. 200 points.
33. You belong to a numerology study group. 200 points.
34. The poster claims that using his method that, "It's harder to not to hit the lottery then hitting it. Yes my method in fact it's not even possible to lose." 10,000 points.
35. The poster believes Dysexlic's, or Murph's posts. 100 points.
Ratings:
If you score:
Over 2000 points: You're James Wendall. You should be in a straight jacket. You belong in an institution. You believe in gov. conspiracies. You're heavily medicated and drift in and out of reality. You're blissfully ignorant and blowing spit bubbles.
1000 points or more: You're definitely a big quack. Chances are, you believe in gov. conspiracy theories as well. You should not be allowed to handle money. Other people should administer your medications. Someone else should manage your daily affairs and finances. You're blissfully ignorant and blowing spit bubbles.
700 points or more: You're a big quack. You might believe in gov. conspiracies. You probably should be medicated. You should only be allowed to hold small amounts of money at any given time. Someone other than you should manage your finances. You're ignorant and sometimes blow spit bubbles.
400 points or more.. You're probably a quack. You might believe in gov. conspiracies. You should have your wife or another family member provide you with a limited weekly allowance. Also, tell your wife to hide the checkbook if you're married.
300 points or more.. You might be a quack. You might just be ignorant. Either way, stay out of the casino, unless you go with a close family member that can monitor your gambling activities.
200 points or more.. You could be a quack. You might just be ignorant. Read more information about probability and the mathematics of gambling before going to the casino.
Listed above is just a partial list. I'll add more to the list as I find time. Please feel free to add your own suggestions, unless your a quack.
-Herb
Here is a test I did simply to illustrate how the spreadsheet can help you to know whether to bet on repeaters or unhits. I let it run much longer than a normal test to see if it would hold true that as the bet count rose, it would be more likely to land on a non-repeater (unhit). Notice around spin #52 I started to bet the unhit numbers because the bet count rose up over 30. However, I don't feel it was high enough. I should still have been betting on repeaters at that point to maximize profit. The correlation between the bet count and the bet selection as it pertains to the count is the key to this puzzle.
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
12 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
13 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
14 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
15 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
16 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
17 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
18 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
19 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
20 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
21 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
22 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
23 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
24 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
25 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
26 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
27 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
28 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
29 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
30 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
31 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
32 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
33 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
34 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
35 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
36 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
37 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
38 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
39 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
40 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
41 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
42 6 Bet 24 36 -24 12 412 1 : 1,2,6,8,10,11,12,13,15,16,18,21,22,26,27,28,29,30,32,33,34,35,36,0
43 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
44 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
45 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
46 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
47 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
48 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
49 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
50 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
51 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
52 3 Bet 11 36 -11 25 437 1 : 3,4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
53 32 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 427 1 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
54 1 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 417 1 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
55 15 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 407 1 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
56 34 Bet 20 0 -20 -20 387 2 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
57 0 Bet 20 0 -20 -20 367 2 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
58 22 Bet 40 0 -40 -40 327 4 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
59 10 Bet 50 0 -50 -50 277 5 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
60 35 Bet 50 0 -50 -50 227 5 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
61 8 Bet 80 0 -80 -80 147 8 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
62 17 Bet 100 360 -100 260 407 10 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
63 12 Bet 9 0 -9 -9 398 1 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
64 19 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 380 2 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
65 21 Bet 27 0 -27 -27 353 3 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
66 10 Bet 36 0 -36 -36 317 4 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
67 1 Bet 54 0 -54 -54 263 6 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
68 9 Bet 54 0 -54 -54 209 6 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
69 26 Bet 90 0 -90 -90 119 10 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
70 5 Bet 108 432 -108 324 443 12 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
71 12 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 435 1 : 4,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
72 31 Bet 24 108 -24 84 519 3 : 4,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
73 33 Bet 21 0 -21 -21 498 3 : 4,7,14,20,23,24,25
74 15 Bet 21 0 -21 -21 477 3 : 4,7,14,20,23,24,25
75 25 Bet 28 144 -28 116 593 4 : 4,7,14,20,23,24,25
76 27 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 587 1 : 4,7,14,20,23,24
77 34 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 581 1 : 4,7,14,20,23,24
78 15 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 575 1 : 4,7,14,20,23,24
79 19 Bet 12 0 -12 -12 563 2 : 4,7,14,20,23,24
80 3 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 545 3 : 4,7,14,20,23,24
81 14 Bet 24 144 -24 120 665 4 : 4,7,14,20,23,24
82 21 Bet 32 36 -32 4 669 1 : 1,2,3,5,6,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,22,25,26,27,28,29
1 : 30,31,32,33,34,35,36,0
83 16 Bet 32 36 -32 4 673 1 : 1,2,3,5,6,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,22,25,26,27,28,29
1 : 30,31,32,33,34,35,36,0
84 17 Bet 32 36 -32 4 677 1 : 1,2,3,5,6,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,22,25,26,27,28,29
1 : 30,31,32,33,34,35,36,0
85 25 Bet 5 0 -5 -5 672 1 : 4,7,20,23,24
86 8 Bet 5 0 -5 -5 667 1 : 4,7,20,23,24
87 1 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 657 2 : 4,7,20,23,24
88 6 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 647 2 : 4,7,20,23,24
89 19 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 637 2 : 4,7,20,23,24
90 32 Bet 15 0 -15 -15 622 3 : 4,7,20,23,24
91 31 Bet 15 0 -15 -15 607 3 : 4,7,20,23,24
92 9 Bet 15 0 -15 -15 592 3 : 4,7,20,23,24
93 25 Bet 15 0 -15 -15 577 3 : 4,7,20,23,24
94 3 Bet 20 0 -20 -20 557 4 : 4,7,20,23,24
95 23 Bet 20 144 -20 124 681 4 : 4,7,20,23,24
hi all I have been looking at taking advantage of these percentages of numbers hitting in 37 spins. if for example you see 13 hit numbers after 24 spins you have practicly 110% chance of hitting a unhit number in the next 12 spins.
Probability Distribution of Hit Numbers in 37 Consecutive Spins.
Based on 10 million simulations.
Hit Numbers Probability
1 0%
2 0%
3 0%
4 0%
5 0%
6 0%
7 0%
8 0%
9 0%
10 0%
11 0%
12 0%
13 0%
14 0.00003% - after tracking 24 spins. If 14 or less hit numbers we bet unhit numbers after everytime a unit number appears.STOP AT 24 HIT NUMBERS
15 0.0006%
16 0.0062%
17 0.0513%
18 0.282%
19 1.2%
20 4%
21 8% - after tracking 24 spins. If 21 or more hit numbers we bet hit numbers after everytime a hit number appears.STOP AT 24 HIT NUMBERS
22 15%
23 20%
24 20%
25 16%
26 9%
27 4%
28 1%
29 0.33%
30 0.055%
31 0.00691%
32 0.00046%
33 0.00001%
34 0%
35 0%
36 0%
37 0%
WHEN WE REACH 24 HIT NUMBERS AND STOP. WE CHECK HOW MANY SPINS IT HAS TAKEN TO REACH 24 HIT(UNIQUE) NUMBERS.
IF 24 NUMBERS HAVE HIT IN 34spins or less we bet on the hit numbers when a hit number appears the spin before.
IF 24 NUMBERS HAVE HIT IN 38spins or more we bet on the unhit numbers when a unhit number appears the spin before.
we will all end up with our own personal ways of playing this type of LAW.
(you will have to play for real money to feel the real power of this system) so I will be using my £5 as two seperate bankrolls of 250pennies ;D. see how I go tommorow.
cheers,
mattjono
and great work all again :good:
Hi people,
As there are arguments on this thread about numbers more likley or less likley to show I thought this info from the book: Killer roulette How To Beat The "Unbeatable" might help a little.
This is a bit from Chapter 2 (How roulette Wheels Become Biased)
"I've read confidential reports on roulette wheels that indicate
to me that for a roulette wheel to be totally random it needs to
be flawless and perfect in every single way. This is an impossability
because a roulette wheel is just too complicated for it to reach
anywhere near perfection.
There are alot more componets to a roulette wheel than meet the
eye. Nearly all of the modern roulette wheels of today are highly
tuned pieces of equipment; whether they are the latest models
by John Huxley or the Paulsen or Pual Tramble wheels, the quality
is exceptionally high in them all. But bias still appears and will continue
to appear."
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He also mentions in the book "tempory bias" and that might just explain why numbers appear more than others within 37 spins.
I think people like Herb should really take advice of trying to think outside the box because reading books such as the one above really does open your eyes to the fact that roulette is'nt as black and white as it appears :good:
Quote from: RPro75 link=topic=8929. msg55258#msg55258 date=1242292861
Here is a test I did simply to illustrate how the spreadsheet can help you to know whether to bet on repeaters or unhits. I let it run much longer than a normal test to see if it would hold true that as the bet count rose, it would be more likely to land on a non-repeater (unhit). Notice around spin #52 I started to bet the unhit numbers because the bet count rose up over 30. However, I don't feel it was high enough. I should still have been betting on repeaters at that point to maximize profit. The correlation between the bet count and the bet selection as it pertains to the count is the key to this puzzle.
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
12 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
13 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
14 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
15 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
16 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
17 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
18 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
19 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
20 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
21 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
22 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
23 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
24 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
25 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
26 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
27 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
28 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
29 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
30 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
31 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
32 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
33 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
34 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
35 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
36 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
37 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
38 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
39 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
40 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
41 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
42 6 Bet 24 36 -24 12 412 1 : 1,2,6,8,10,11,12,13,15,16,18,21,22,26,27,28,29,30,32,33,34,35,36,0
43 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
44 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
45 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
46 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
47 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
48 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
49 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
50 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
51 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 412
52 3 Bet 11 36 -11 25 437 1 : 3,4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
53 32 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 427 1 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
54 1 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 417 1 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
55 15 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 407 1 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
56 34 Bet 20 0 -20 -20 387 2 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
57 0 Bet 20 0 -20 -20 367 2 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
58 22 Bet 40 0 -40 -40 327 4 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
59 10 Bet 50 0 -50 -50 277 5 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
60 35 Bet 50 0 -50 -50 227 5 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
61 8 Bet 80 0 -80 -80 147 8 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
62 17 Bet 100 360 -100 260 407 10 : 4,5,7,14,17,20,23,24,25,31
63 12 Bet 9 0 -9 -9 398 1 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
64 19 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 380 2 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
65 21 Bet 27 0 -27 -27 353 3 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
66 10 Bet 36 0 -36 -36 317 4 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
67 1 Bet 54 0 -54 -54 263 6 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
68 9 Bet 54 0 -54 -54 209 6 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
69 26 Bet 90 0 -90 -90 119 10 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
70 5 Bet 108 432 -108 324 443 12 : 4,5,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
71 12 Bet 8 0 -8 -8 435 1 : 4,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
72 31 Bet 24 108 -24 84 519 3 : 4,7,14,20,23,24,25,31
73 33 Bet 21 0 -21 -21 498 3 : 4,7,14,20,23,24,25
74 15 Bet 21 0 -21 -21 477 3 : 4,7,14,20,23,24,25
75 25 Bet 28 144 -28 116 593 4 : 4,7,14,20,23,24,25
76 27 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 587 1 : 4,7,14,20,23,24
77 34 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 581 1 : 4,7,14,20,23,24
78 15 Bet 6 0 -6 -6 575 1 : 4,7,14,20,23,24
79 19 Bet 12 0 -12 -12 563 2 : 4,7,14,20,23,24
80 3 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 545 3 : 4,7,14,20,23,24
81 14 Bet 24 144 -24 120 665 4 : 4,7,14,20,23,24
82 21 Bet 32 36 -32 4 669 1 : 1,2,3,5,6,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,22,25,26,27,28,29
1 : 30,31,32,33,34,35,36,0
83 16 Bet 32 36 -32 4 673 1 : 1,2,3,5,6,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,22,25,26,27,28,29
1 : 30,31,32,33,34,35,36,0
84 17 Bet 32 36 -32 4 677 1 : 1,2,3,5,6,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,21,22,25,26,27,28,29
1 : 30,31,32,33,34,35,36,0
85 25 Bet 5 0 -5 -5 672 1 : 4,7,20,23,24
86 8 Bet 5 0 -5 -5 667 1 : 4,7,20,23,24
87 1 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 657 2 : 4,7,20,23,24
88 6 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 647 2 : 4,7,20,23,24
89 19 Bet 10 0 -10 -10 637 2 : 4,7,20,23,24
90 32 Bet 15 0 -15 -15 622 3 : 4,7,20,23,24
91 31 Bet 15 0 -15 -15 607 3 : 4,7,20,23,24
92 9 Bet 15 0 -15 -15 592 3 : 4,7,20,23,24
93 25 Bet 15 0 -15 -15 577 3 : 4,7,20,23,24
94 3 Bet 20 0 -20 -20 557 4 : 4,7,20,23,24
95 23 Bet 20 144 -20 124 681 4 : 4,7,20,23,24
Rpro, I remark you go quite far in the progressions with your tweaking of rjeaton's system. . . step 10 or 11. . . Isn't it a little be too risky for the BR the case you go further ?
Regards
what happen with the original system....maybe you should wait that it fail before going this far with tweaking
Quote from: RPro75
When they see a dangerous bet like the one we have here, I also believe they will try and discredit it.
:haha:
If they knew you were bringing this to a B&M they would lay out the red carpet for you and drown you in champagne. I was testing systems almost identical, and better, than this 10 years ago. I have tried every configuration and many staking plans. Suffice to say that I'm not using these systems today. Look, I'm not knocking the effort put into this but it won't work long-term. The attack is too rigid and eventually randomness will kill it. A lot of you play this game yet have taken no time to study the thing that powers it. Nor do any of you understand law of the third properly. Tweaking endlessly like you're suggesting is the end. All you're doing is introducing more rules for the random flow to bulldoze.
Oops...off to the naysayers' lounge for me
I have to agree with N6 :(
There will be times when it works, and times when it doesn't, just like any other system. By all means add it to your arsenal, but the grail it ain't (because there's no such thing).
Here it is my first test. Can you tell me if I'm right?
I used the bet calculator but at one time, I had to bet 9 units on each number to make profit.
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 500
1 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
2 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
3 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
4 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
5 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
6 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
7 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
8 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
9 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
10 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
11 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
12 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
13 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
14 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
15 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
16 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
17 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
18 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
19 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
20 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
21 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
22 10 Bet 18 36 -18 18 518 1 : 3,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,17,20,21,24,26,28,29,36,0
23 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 518
24 25 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 501 1 : 8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,17,20,21,24,26,28,29,36,0
25 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 501
26 16 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 483 1 : 8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,17,20,21,24,25,26,28,29,36,0
27 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 483
28 23 Bet 57 0 -57 -57 426 3 : 8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,24,25,26,28,29,36,0
29 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 426
30 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 426
31 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 426
32 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 426
33 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 426
34 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 426
35 12 Bet 225 324 -225 99 525 9 : 1,4,5,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25,26,28,29,30,35,36,0
36 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
37 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
38 35 Bet 19 36 -19 17 542 1 : 1,3,4,5,8,9,10,12,13,15,16,17,20,23,25,26,29,30,35
39 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 542
40 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 542
41 33 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 524 1 : 1,3,4,5,8,9,10,12,13,15,16,20,23,25,26,29,30,35
42 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 524
43 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 524
44 26 Bet 40 72 -40 32 556 2 : 1,2,3,4,5,8,9,10,12,13,15,16,20,23,25,26,29,30,33,35
45 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
46 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
47 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
48 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
49 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
50 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
51 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
52 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
53 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
54 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
55 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
56 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
57 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
58 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
59 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
60 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
61 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
62 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
63 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
64 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
65 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
66 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
67 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
68 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
69 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
70 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
71 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
72 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
73 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
74 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
75 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
76 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
77 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
78 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
79 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
80 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
81 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
82 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
83 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
84 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
85 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
86 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
87 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
88 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
89 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
90 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
91 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
92 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
93 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
94 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
95 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
96 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
97 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
98 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
99 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
100 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
101 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
102 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
103 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
104 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
105 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
106 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
107 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
108 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
109 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
110 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
111 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
112 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
113 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
114 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
115 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
116 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
117 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
118 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
119 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
120 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
121 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
122 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
123 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
124 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
125 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
126 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
127 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
128 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
129 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
130 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 556
131 7 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 539 1 : 2,4,5,9,10,11,12,14,16,18,20,26,27,28,30,31,34
132 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 539
133 19 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 521 1 : 2,4,5,7,9,10,11,12,14,16,18,20,26,27,28,30,31,34
134 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 521
135 14 Bet 57 108 -57 51 572 3 : 2,4,5,7,9,10,11,12,14,16,18,19,20,26,27,28,30,31,34
Thx RJ! :)
Here are the results of my last test. Didn't use the bet calculator but managed every time to get a higher BR after a lose. I stopped at spin 67 because it was the 4th time betting and losing and I was at spin 31th in the processus. Still thinking I might I've been wrong somewhere. . .
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 500
1 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
2 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
3 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
4 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
5 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
6 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
7 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
8 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
9 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
10 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
11 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
12 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
13 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
14 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
15 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
16 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
17 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
18 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
19 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
20 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
21 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
22 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
23 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
24 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
25 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
26 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
27 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
28 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
29 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
30 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
31 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
32 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
33 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
34 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
35 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
36 28 Bet 18 36 -18 18 518 1 : 3,4,6,8,9,13,15,16,17,19,20,22,23,24,26,28,31,34
37 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 518
38 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 518
39 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 518
40 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 518
41 23 Bet 17 36 -17 19 537 1 : 3,6,8,9,13,14,15,16,17,22,23,24,26,28,31,32,34
42 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 537
43 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 537
44 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 537
45 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 537
46 24 Bet 18 36 -18 18 555 1 : 3,6,7,8,9,13,14,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,26,28,31,32
47 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
48 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
49 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
50 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
51 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
52 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
53 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
54 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
55 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
56 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
57 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
58 0 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 537 1 : 7,9,12,13,14,15,17,19,20,21,23,24,25,28,31,32,34,35
59 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 537
60 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 537
61 3 Bet 40 0 -40 -40 497 2 : 7,8,9,12,13,14,15,17,19,20,21,23,24,25,28,31,32,34,35,0
62 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 497
63 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 497
64 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 497
65 16 Bet 110 0 -110 -110 387 5 : 3,5,7,8,9,12,13,14,15,17,19,20,21,23,25,28,30,31,32,34,35,0
66 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 387
67 33 Bet 360 0 -360 -360 27 15 : 3,5,7,8,9,12,13,14,15,16,17,19,20,21,23,24,25,28,30,31,32,34,35,0
This system definitely needs RX coding. . .
I think the first system that RJ created is the one we should be concentrating on now. What I have been doing is not creating a system but trying to explore the correlation between unique numbers and spin count in hopes of making his system better. I think his system is the way to go, but it can be tweaked to use the "bet count" to determine what numbers and how much to bet.
Quote from: loufran on May 14, 2009, 08:57:30 AM
Rpro, I remark you go quite far in the progressions with your tweaking of rjeaton's system. . . step 10 or 11. . . Isn't it a little be too risky for the BR the case you go further ?
Regards
Yes, and as I said earlier, I'm not trying to change his system. His system is near perfect as it is. I am just studying the relationship between unique numbers and spin count as it pertains to the law of the third. The system that I made is simply base to go by and test so that I may get a feel of when to bet the repeaters and when to bet the unhits. By all means, continue studying RJ's system, it's quite good.
Quote from: loufran on May 14, 2009, 10:37:09 AM
Here are the results of my last test. Didn't use the bet calculator but managed every time to get a higher BR after a lose. I stopped at spin 67 because it was the 4th time betting and losing and I was at spin 31th in the processus. Still thinking I might I've been wrong somewhere. . .
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 500
1 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
2 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
3 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
4 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
5 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
6 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
7 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
8 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
9 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
10 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
11 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
12 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
13 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
14 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
15 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
16 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
17 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
18 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
19 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
20 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
21 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
22 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
23 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
24 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
25 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
26 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
27 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
28 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
29 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
30 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
31 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
32 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
33 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
34 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
35 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
36 28 Bet 18 36 -18 18 518 1 : 3,4,6,8,9,13,15,16,17,19,20,22,23,24,26,28,31,34
37 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 518
38 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 518
39 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 518
40 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 518
41 23 Bet 17 36 -17 19 537 1 : 3,6,8,9,13,14,15,16,17,22,23,24,26,28,31,32,34
42 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 537
43 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 537
44 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 537
45 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 537
46 24 Bet 18 36 -18 18 555 1 : 3,6,7,8,9,13,14,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,26,28,31,32
47 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
48 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
49 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
50 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
51 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
52 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
53 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
54 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
55 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
56 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
57 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 555
58 0 Bet 18 0 -18 -18 537 1 : 7,9,12,13,14,15,17,19,20,21,23,24,25,28,31,32,34,35
59 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 537
60 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 537
61 3 Bet 40 0 -40 -40 497 2 : 7,8,9,12,13,14,15,17,19,20,21,23,24,25,28,31,32,34,35,0
62 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 497
63 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 497
64 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 497
65 16 Bet 110 0 -110 -110 387 5 : 3,5,7,8,9,12,13,14,15,17,19,20,21,23,25,28,30,31,32,34,35,0
66 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 387
67 33 Bet 360 0 -360 -360 27 15 : 3,5,7,8,9,12,13,14,15,16,17,19,20,21,23,24,25,28,30,31,32,34,35,0
I noticed you used 1,2,5,15 as your bet progression at the end. Why so steep?
Quote from: RPro75 on May 14, 2009, 11:00:02 AM
I noticed you used 1,2,5,15 as your bet progression at the end. Why so steep?
As I said in the post I didn't use the bet calculator but tried to place the bets with RX with the nearest amount to get an upper BR... Maybe I was wrong with that. Tell me a little more about that please.
Cheers
I was not able to view the videos that RJ made, so I am still a little unclear on something, even after reading the PDF. I have been taking off spin #1 when I reach spin #21, dropping spin #2 at spin #22, etc. in the tracker to always have the last 20 spins showing but it seems it takes a long time to get 17 different numbers in 20 spins that way. Sometimes, I have gotten upwards of 50 spins or more before I actually have 17 different numbers in the last 20 spins. I was wondering if I should keep spinning after 20 until I reach 17 different numbers or if I am doing this right by only having the least 20 spins in the tracker. It's quite confusing if you can't view the video.
I have played roulette off and on for many years at real roulette wheels and I just want to warn that often the wheel will NOT do what it is SUPPOSED to do according to probability theorey, the law of the third, the law of the jungle or any other kind of law, as I have seen this happen time and time again and have paid for it big time. It is only within the law of large numbers (very large numbers) that percentage wise things will look more like their mathematical expectations, but by then the difference in real numbers has grown larger and larger between the various factors/chances.
That being said, I don't know if all these examples of winning games are coming from rngs or real casinos (it's hard to keep up with these long threads), but for sure the proof is in the pudding and if real wins are being observed or made from the system then go for it (I will-- I just don't plan to progress my bets--MUCH, anyway, as I have seen that go wrong too many times-- let's put it this way-- I made $1000 in one week playing a progressive system, and lost it all and then some in ten minutes when I got hit first thing, from the first bet with the run from Hell. I left the casino in shock and vowing to myself it was over... but it never is... there is always another idea as far as roulette systems go...)
But actually the main thing I wanted to say is there is a lot no bets playing this system, and this system will not be complete until we have another system to play during the no betting. Because you cannot sit at a roulette table and not bet for so long, it would be like going to a busy restaurant, telling the host the people you are meeting are parking the car and will be right in, and sitting at the table for a long time without ordering and getting dirty looks from the host and servers.
OK, good work, carry on.....
Well sometimes yes it does take a while to get back down to 3 or less uniques in 20 spins...that being for example when tracking for a win you'll have a repeat trigger to bet, then you lose, you clear bets and wait for another repeat to bet again. There are times when I have 5 or 6 numbers with 2 or more hits. You simply track the last 20 and do exactly as you said. You remove the lowest spin but keep the spin total at 20, the unique count will eventually get back down to 3.
Again I strongly suggest getting the "k lite codec pack" and using the Media Player Classic that comes with it. You should have no problem viewing the videos then.
Quote from: simon on May 14, 2009, 11:22:59 AM
I have played roulette off and on for many years at real roulette wheels and I just want to warn that often the wheel will NOT do what it is SUPPOSED to do according to probability theorey, the law of the third, the law of the jungle or any other kind of law, as I have seen this happen time and time again and have paid for it big time. It is only within the law of large numbers (very large numbers) that percentage wise things will look more like their mathematical expectations, but by then the difference in real numbers has grown larger and larger between the various factors/chances.
That being said, I don't know if all these examples of winning games are coming from rngs or real casinos (it's hard to keep up with these long threads), but for sure the proof is in the pudding and if real wins are being observed or made from the system then go for it (I will-- I just don't plan to progress my bets, as I have seen that go wrong too many times-- let's put it this way-- I made $1000 in one week playing a progressive system, and lost it all and then some in ten minutes when I got hit first thing, from the first bet with the run from Hell. I left the casino in shock and vowing to myself it was over... but it never is... there is always another idea as far as roulette systems go...)
But actually the main thing I wanted to say is there is a lot no bets playing this system, and this system will not be complete until we have another system to play during the no betting. Because you cannot sit at a roulette table and not bet for so long, it would be like going to a busy restaurant, telling the host the people you are meeting are parking the car and will be right in, and sitting at the table for a long time without ordering and getting dirty looks from the host and servers.
OK, good work, carry on.....
I only play roulette over the internet... so as far as I'm concerned, doesn't have to wait a long time.
Cheers
QuoteI only play roulette over the internet... so as far as I'm concerned, doesn't have to wait a long time.
...... well that would save me a lot of time, couple hours drive there and back, which of these online casinos do you trust and recommend? Would still rather go to the b&m one, but just curious...
I guess there is whole section on this I can check it out, just curious where you play
Quote from: simon on May 14, 2009, 11:35:44 AM
I guess there is whole section on this I can check it out, just curious where you play
Hi Simon, ;)
try nolinks.casinocity.com
Hundreds of on line casinos there & they are ranked......
To find out what people think there is a "facebook" option that has peoples ratings of on line casino's....
Happy hunting..... :yahoo:
the VLS section just informs you of "live" wheel options & the review section @ the moment stands @ one but to be fair to Trylobit the review is v v informative..... 8)
wow I didn't realize there were so many, thanks xman, I guess you can gamble in your underwear from the comfort of home, if you want to...
Quote from: simon on May 14, 2009, 11:45:07 AM
wow I didn't realize there were so many, thanks xman, I guess you can gamble in your underwear from the comfort of home, if you want to...
Well you can gamble in your underwear @ a B&M casino, but probably only the once.... :blush2:
Check out that facebook option I would assume the most honest "reviews" will be there..... :good:
Hi all,
As I do not speak english very well, I do not understand well the new bet calculator. It'd be kind if someone can explain it to me with an example. Many thanks
Cheers :thumbsup:
Hello,
I have tested this system for 114 sessions on Wiesbaden spins.
Table 3 the first week of 2009.
It is found in the TESTsection.
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
Robert you better check the Testing Zone...
Here is my last test. I did use the first version of bet calculator. And it went to spin 32th for the last bet.
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 500
1 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
2 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
3 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
4 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
5 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
6 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
7 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
8 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
9 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
10 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
11 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
12 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
13 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
14 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
15 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
16 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
17 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
18 31 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
19 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
20 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
21 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
22 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
23 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
24 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
25 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
26 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
27 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
28 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
29 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 500
30 31 Bet 17 36 -17 19 519 1 : 1,4,6,8,9,16,18,19,22,23,27,28,29,31,32,34,36
31 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 519
32 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 519
33 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 519
34 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 519
35 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 519
36 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 519
37 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 519
38 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 519
39 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 519
40 19 Bet 17 36 -17 19 538 1 : 1,2,4,6,8,9,19,21,22,23,24,28,29,31,32,33,36
41 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
42 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 538
43 7 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 521 1 : 2,4,6,8,9,19,21,22,23,24,25,28,29,31,32,33,36
44 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 521
45 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 521
46 15 Bet 38 0 -38 -38 483 2 : 2,4,6,7,8,9,11,19,21,22,23,24,25,28,29,31,32,33,36
47 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 483
48 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 483
49 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 483
50 19 Bet 66 108 -66 42 525 3 : 2,4,6,7,8,9,11,14,15,19,21,22,23,24,25,28,29,30,31,32,33,36
51 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
52 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
53 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
54 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
55 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
56 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
57 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
58 25 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
59 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
60 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
61 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
62 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
63 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
64 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
65 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
66 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
67 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
68 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
69 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 525
70 2 Bet 17 36 -17 19 544 1 : 2,4,5,7,9,10,11,12,14,19,20,22,25,32,35,36,0
71 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 544
72 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 544
73 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 544
74 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 544
75 27 No Bet 0 0 0 0 544
76 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 544
77 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 544
78 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 544
79 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 544
80 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 544
81 2 Bet 17 36 -17 19 563 1 : 1,2,4,5,7,12,14,15,16,19,20,22,23,27,32,35,0
82 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 563
83 21 No Bet 0 0 0 0 563
84 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 563
85 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 563
86 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 563
87 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 563
88 23 Bet 17 36 -17 19 582 1 : 1,2,4,7,10,11,13,15,16,19,21,22,23,27,29,32,35
89 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
90 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
91 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
92 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
93 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
94 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
95 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
96 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
97 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
98 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
99 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
100 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
101 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
102 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
103 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
104 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
105 0 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
106 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
107 32 No Bet 0 0 0 0 582
108 21 Bet 17 0 -17 -17 565 1 : 3,4,5,8,9,10,11,16,17,18,23,28,29,32,33,34,0
109 7 No Bet 0 0 0 0 565
110 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 565
111 30 Bet 38 0 -38 -38 527 2 : 3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,16,17,18,21,23,28,29,32,33,34,0
112 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 527
113 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 527
114 2 Bet 63 0 -63 -63 464 3 : 3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,16,17,18,21,22,23,28,29,30,32,33,34,0
115 26 No Bet 0 0 0 0 464
116 14 No Bet 0 0 0 0 464
117 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 464
118 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 464
119 0 Bet 125 180 -125 55 519 5 : 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,12,14,16,17,18,21,22,23,26,28,29,30,32,33,345 : 0
Cheers
Here's how to use the bet calc the best way I can explain it...I'll be using the last spin session I just posted last night (186 - 300)
[IMAGE 1]Starting bankroll is 339 so you would put it in the Starting Br & Current BR columns (A & B) You can see that in the first part of the image. Basically the only place that you will input #'s is the top column. (A, B, C, D, H)
[IMAGE 2]On spin 197 I need to place bets on 16 units, so you would put 16 in column C & D. Now since column F is 0.533 we round up to 1 and place 1 unit on each # and still profit. Once you input 1 in the H column, the bottom row will populate with #'s telling you how much you will profit, how big your drawdown & BR will be if you lose. See 2nd shot of bet calc in image.
[IMAGE 3A]I lost, so I would change my Current BR (B) to 323 (which is the # that was right below Current BR) You will always leave you starting BR the same until you win. Spin 200 is my next bet, and I am betting on 18 #'s. I now populate column C & D with 18. Now F says 1.13. According to the bet calc, if you leave 1 in column H our "Profit if Win" is still positive (+2) Personally, on my first 2 bets I go for profits of 5 or more, but if you want any profit you would still bet 1 unit on each.
[IMAGE 3B] Shot of the bet calc the way I played in my spin series.
[IMAGE 4A] I lost again, so I change "Current Bankroll" to the # in the "BR if Loss On Next Spin" box. It would be either 387 or 305 depending on how many units you placed on the previous bet. For be it would be 287, I'm betting 20 #'s now so C & D would have 20 in them. F now says 2.4. I round up and put 3 in column H. Now here, my "Profit if Win" is a negative #. You would increase column H by 1 unit until your "Profit if Win" becomes positive.
[IMAGE 4B] Changed H to 4 and now I have a profit of 12. I go ahead and bet 4 units on my 20 #'s and this time I win.
[IMAGE 5] Now I change column A & B to my new BR of 351. C, D, & H get deleted until another bet comes up.
Hope that helped at least a little lol.
Thanks a lot Celiza!!!! If I understand well, you always put the same number in C2 & D2 . Is that correct?
Thks
Here is a progression table for the ones who want to print it, or cannot understand the bet calculator.
Special thanks to viper for posting a similar version in another thread some while back.
Quote from: loufran on May 14, 2009, 01:28:53 PM
Thanks a lot Celiza!!!! If I understand well, you always put the same number in C2 & D2 . Is that correct?
Thks
Yes, that's correct. That way column F will always be your suggested bet and let you know if more units per number are needed in order to get a profit.
@RJ
Hello RJ,
I was wondering if you could take a look at this cycle I played with your system and tell me if I did it exactly as I should have. I've attached the spreadsheet as well. You will notice it took 47 spins to get 17 unique numbers within the last 20 spins. This is the part I am a little unclear about. I understand the trigger, the betting calculator, and the bet selection perfectly well though. Thanks for your help.
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
12 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
13 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
14 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
15 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
16 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
17 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
18 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
19 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
20 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
21 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
22 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
23 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
24 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
25 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
26 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
27 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
28 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
29 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
30 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
31 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
32 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
33 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
34 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
35 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
36 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
37 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
38 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
39 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
40 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
41 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
42 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
43 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
44 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
45 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
46 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
47 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
48 23 Bet 21 36 -21 15 415 1 : 3,5,6,8,11,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,24,28,29,30,33,34,36
49 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 415
50 10 Bet 21 0 -21 -21 394 1 : 3,5,6,8,11,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,24,28,29,30,33,34,36
51 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 394
52 24 Bet 42 72 -42 30 424 2 : 3,5,6,8,10,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,24,28,29,30,33,34,36
53 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 424
54 30 Bet 22 36 -22 14 438 1 : 3,5,6,8,10,11,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,24,28,29,30,33,34,36
55 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 438
56 6 Bet 22 36 -22 14 452 1 : 3,5,6,8,10,11,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,24,28,29,30,33,34,36
57 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 452
58 16 Bet 22 36 -22 14 466 1 : 3,5,6,8,10,11,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,24,28,29,30,33,34,36
+66 units in 58 spins
Quote from: RPro75 on May 14, 2009, 03:55:36 PM
@RJ
Hello RJ,
I was wondering if you could take a look at this cycle I played with your system and tell me if I did it exactly as I should have. I've attached the spreadsheet as well. You will notice it took 47 spins to get 17 unique numbers within the last 20 spins. This is the part I am a little unclear about. I understand the trigger, the betting calculator, and the bet selection perfectly well though. Thanks for your help.
Spin Number Type Bet Unit Win Loss Net Unit Bal. Bet Layout
0 400
1 35 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
2 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
3 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
4 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
5 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
6 10 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
7 1 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
8 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
9 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
10 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
11 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
12 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
13 20 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
14 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
15 9 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
16 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
17 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
18 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
19 4 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
20 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
21 2 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
22 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
23 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
24 11 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
25 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
26 18 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
27 28 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
28 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
29 24 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
30 16 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
31 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
32 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
33 13 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
34 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
35 5 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
36 30 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
37 17 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
38 8 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
39 22 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
40 23 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
41 12 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
42 6 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
43 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
44 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
45 19 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
46 15 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
47 3 No Bet 0 0 0 0 400
48 23 Bet 21 36 -21 15 415 1 : 3,5,6,8,11,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,24,28,29,30,33,34,36
49 34 No Bet 0 0 0 0 415
50 10 Bet 21 0 -21 -21 394 1 : 3,5,6,8,11,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,24,28,29,30,33,34,36
51 29 No Bet 0 0 0 0 394
52 24 Bet 42 72 -42 30 424 2 : 3,5,6,8,10,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,24,28,29,30,33,34,36
53 36 No Bet 0 0 0 0 424
54 30 Bet 22 36 -22 14 438 1 : 3,5,6,8,10,11,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,24,28,29,30,33,34,36
55 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 438
56 6 Bet 22 36 -22 14 452 1 : 3,5,6,8,10,11,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,24,28,29,30,33,34,36
57 33 No Bet 0 0 0 0 452
58 16 Bet 22 36 -22 14 466 1 : 3,5,6,8,10,11,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,22,23,24,28,29,30,33,34,36
+66 units in 58 spins
Sorry I haven't been around for a little bit, had to actually do some work :P but yes Rpro, I'll check this out right now and let you know. I noticed there has been a lot said about this system and there were test results posted by HomeIto in the testing section. The tests look like they actually showed very promising results, except for the couple times where there were bets places that were over $1000 etc. The stop-loss that is built into this system should have actually prevented that as I don't see how you could ever place bets that high using this system. But after looking at the results I do see that this system can get pretty hair raising when the bets do get higher (and they obviously can) based on HomeIto's testing.
I am still going to have this coded for RXtreme as I will (and encourage you guys too as well) look for a way to prevent the higher bets as well as still taking advantage of the many many wins this system obviously provides. The HG it obviously isn't, but a consistent winner without risking a lot...I'd have to say that it is.
I am already having another system coded that is based on the fundementals of the Ten Spins to Win system with some modifications based on some thoughts that I had (the thoughts were provoked primarily by the posts that Rpro made about some changes he was making and un-hit numbers to hit numbers ratio, etc. so big thanks to you Rpro for you diligent testing efforts and just offering up thoughts :ok:). As it stands right now, it is head-and-shoulders above this Ten Spins to Win System. And I will have the RX coding for it within the next 2 to 3 days. Here are some highlights from it:
It's called Four Spins to Win (the session ends after four spins and you either lose or you win...flat out), When you, you lose just over $100 (I haven't lost at all yet...at all). There is a set progression of bets that doesn't change. It is as follows: $1, $1, $2, $4.
And lastly, after being on this forum as a guest for around 5 or 6 months now (It was as a guest almost all of it as I just registered recently) it is something none of you has seen before (it seems as though the Ten Spins to Win system was rather new to you guys is this new system is based on the fundamentals of that). After I get the RX coding back I will absolutely share it with all of you guys, and in the meantime if anybody would like to see this new system let me know (I don't want to post it on the forum yet) and I'll send it to you.
Rjeaton 1 yes i for 1 would love you when you find some time to send me your new roulette system .I thank you Colin yeoldcolin@aol.com
Quotein the meantime if anybody would like to see this new system let me know (I don't want to post it on the forum yet) and I'll send it to you.
....uh, yah, can you please email it to me? thanx!!
Also, just to make a couple of things clear. I never said this system was the HG, nor did I ever say it didn't need improvement, nor did I ever say the "law of the third" will make me a millionaire (not directed at you Simon, you've only been a source of encouragement). I am only saying this because after looking around this forum (while nobody took direct shots at) there are some people that seem to take a lot of joy looking for ways this system fails.
I am aware that it can (and does) fail at points, but they are far far less than the wins this system provides, we just need a proper way to capitlize on the wins and buffer the losses. This was my reasoning for putting this system up on this forum. Mainly because the quality of the people here is high, and we're all (well, most of us) are trying to achieve the same goal...a consistent roulette winner. So far the thoughts provoked by this system on this thread are of great quality, and have helped me to develop a new system (as mentioned in the post above) that I hope will do just what this paragraph describes.
However, I am not going to post it here (yet). Once I get the coding back, I will post that here, and for anybody who wants to see this new one let me know. You all will see it in due time however.
This thread definitely isn't dead however, we all just need to collaborate and make the necessary improvements. I will take the time to mention that I still haven't lost using this system, but I can't argue with HomeIto's results either. Thanks yet again everybody for all your help, time and effort placed into testing this system and posting your results. I couldn't be happier!
Hi
can you please send me one
thank you
hello from the south of France
shaftmusic@gmail.com
Hi RJ
I've been following from the beginning of this thread. I'd like to see the 4 spins to Win system too.
bc7147@aol. com
Thanks
So RJ, did I do it right? You haven't answered my question yet. ;D
Quote from: RPro75 on May 14, 2009, 09:12:02 PM
So RJ, did I do it right? You haven't answered my question yet. ;D
Sorry about that Rpro, I just ran your spins through RXtreme (makes it easier for me to check) and yes, I couldn't have done it better myself. That is the system played perfect, to a T. Great stuff Rpro!
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 14, 2009, 09:27:21 PM
Sorry about that Rpro, I just ran your spins through RXtreme (makes it easier for me to check) and yes, I couldn't have done it better myself. That is the system played perfect, to a T. Great stuff Rpro!
Great! Thanks again for sharing such a fantastic system! I think it is only going to get better as well!
Quite impressive, Rjeaton1. Thank you for sharing.
It would be nice if someone could make a software version of the system, so a bettor could concentrate more on the wheel and not so much if he/she is executing the system correctly.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 14, 2009, 09:39:46 PM
Quite impressive, Rjeaton1. Thank you for sharing.
It would be nice if someone could make a software version of the system, so a bettor could concentrate more on the wheel and not so much if he/she is executing the system correctly.
Thanks a ton there Proof! I also couldn't agree more, which is the reason for having it coded for RXtreme. The other reason being to determine if there is a way to buffer the losses with a sort of "common drawdown" stop-loss point, or maybe a divisor formula. More to come on that though. Until then we have all the wonderful people in the forum to test and throw ideas out there (as, I must point out, you all have been doing already. Keep it up everybody!)
Also, for those of you who believe in the "Law of the Third" (like I do) then you'll be happy to hear my new system is based on that (in reverse), and a lot of other stuff. It's kind of a mix of this system, thoughts posted by others on this forum, etc. But mainly "the law of the third" in reverse.
(more on this to come soon. Just waiting till I get the RX coding back. The reason I am waiting is so I can post a 1000 spin betting history for you guys along with how the system works. I have a feeling everybody that liked this system and read about it will be overjoyed with it. I am....)
To improve the effectiveness of the system, would you suggest a time of day to play? oh--Before I forget, frequency of play? Once a day, twice a day, skip 20+ spins for the next session?
RJ,
I would love to take a look at the newest approach. When you get a chance can you please send it off to me.
Innovcon@aol. com
Thanks,
SC
Hi RJ,
I've followed this thread in detail, what I will offer to do is test your new system in "Live Play" at William Hill On Line Casino – I will post the results after about 1000 spins or our BR is TOAST :( ... which ever comes first
I believe that if you can win at William Hill On Line - Live Play - NOT PRACTICE PLAY (where I have seen the most unlikely events in occur) – then you have a good system – we will look to start with a Live BR of £500 ($750) – if you would kindly email me your new system at gs@consultant. com. I will then email you / post the results profit or loss on the board.
rjeaton1 I would like to test your system too. Please email me if you wish: mogwaigr@gmail.com
Rj,
I would be happy to continue testing with your new system. If you have five minutes to email it to me at...
macmaster@live.co.uk
Thanks :lol:
Are the new tweaks not posted or is it a secret
Hello,
Mac-owners...
My re-done (Intel-)Mac app for tracking this works OK according to TTT who had trouble with the one I posted before.
So it is posted in the Members Download section. (And the faulty app is deleted)
There is instructions a few pages back in this thread.
I hope you enjoy it!
If there is interest I will post a version that reads and output files (the one I used for the test)
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
Hello rjeaton1,
Could you please kindly send me a copy of your "Four Spins to Win" system. I am keen to give it a try.
Thanks & Regards
sniper
sniper6138@yahoo.com
Hello rjeaton1,
Could you please kindly send me a copy of your "Four Spins to Win" system. I am working on creating an Excel sheet that I would like to make available to all users. I ask pardon my English because I'm using an online translator. :-[
Greetings from Spain.
spinete36@hotmail. com
Everybody that has asked to see the new system - If I haven't e-mailed it to you, I will ASAP. I've been testing my new system (I've got a little over 1000 spins tested now), and once that 1000 spin set produced positive results I decided to put my money where my mouth is and gamble some real money. I've made a 27 minute un-cut video of me playing my system at Go Casino. See this thread: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/test-of-four-spins-to-win-real-money-at-go-casino-video/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/test-of-four-spins-to-win-real-money-at-go-casino-video/)
Also, to everybody that has sent me spin results to analyze to see if the system has been played correctly, I'm on that too. I just have been a bit preoccupied, but don't worry, I haven't forgotten about you.
Enjoy!
Hi everybody and rjeaton1,
I've followed this thread since the first post. It seems to be a really interesting long term system. I thank you a lot rjeaton1 for sharing your knowledge with us.
I'm now working on finding an "optimized" way of playing this system (highest long term profit) :
_ Is it better to stop at +20, +40, . . . ?
_ Stop loss? If yes wich one : -50, . . . ??
_ How many spins (maximum per session) ?
_ . . . .
Anyone has ideas ?
I don't have enough results now.
I'm also interested by your new system "win within four spins", could you please sent it to me at : beobast@gmail. com
Thanx again, carry on that way and sorry for my English,
Greatings from France
RJ I would also like to test your newest system, am impressed at what you have done so far,,, my email is foreverpresent@aol. com thank you and continued success and great health to you and yours,,,
Yes i have an idea!!! i think what we should do, is drop the units down get this thing in software form and play with pennies or nickels and man watch the profits and graph go ski high!! what do you think guys? could you amagine what this system can make in 24hrs time! with out doing a thing! what do think RJ?
Hello RJ......id like to take alook and test this new system of yours mazzamanson@yahoo.co.uk
cheers
TSK
Quote from: ckb18 on May 15, 2009, 05:46:51 PM
Yes I have an idea!!! I think what we should do, is drop the units down get this thing in software form and play with pennies or nickels and man watch the profits and graph go ski high!! what do you think guys? could you amagine what this system can make in 24hrs time! with out doing a thing! what do think RJ?
Definitely! If I had the opportunity to play with even .10c units I would be ecstatic lol But alas, that is not an option being from the US. The system is still good with $1 units but it's the eventual loss that could hurt when risking $9+ a # and betting 23 #'s. Hopefully one day the online gambling laws will change in this country.
there are ways around that, i am also from the US, you can use a proxy, or they even have non detect pc soft software! there are some detais on that some where in this forum?
Quote from: ckb18 on May 15, 2009, 06:12:56 PM
there are ways around that, I am also from the US, you can use a proxy, or they even have non detect pc soft software! there are some detais on that some where in this forum?
This interests me...a lot! What about your address and actually getting your money? Please direct me in the right direction so I don't disturb the flow of this thread, that way I can ask my questions in the right place. Maybe PM or something?
I'm seriously on the edge of my seat. I would love the opportunity to play with any unit amount below 1 dollar, but as of now I don't know of any way to do that.
Hello rjeaton1,
Would you please send me a copy of your Four Spins to Win system.
Thanks you for sharing!! :)
gonlag2000@yahoo. es
No problem, well actually, what would be easier for you is to just check out the members downloads section. It's in there now :)
Sorry, I haven't posted any test results in a couple days. Been caught up in RJ's 4 spins to win. Here's my latest session with this system. 56 spins, +97 units. Still have not lost a session (ie gone further than 31 spins and not winning)
So far in all 4 session I am up +365 units
Hello
Could you please kindly send me a copy of your "Four Spins to Win" system.
Please send the file Four_Spins_to_Win System.dgt (RXtreme code)
washingtonplx @ gmail com
Thanks & Regards