Hey gang,
I've started a little project and thought I would share it with you all (if anyone is interested). I'm currently coaching my cousin in poker and have given him a small bankroll of 100$ to play with online.
What the plan is is to teach him Money Management. But it got me thinking, "I wonder how far 100$ can get me?" - Ideally as far as I want. So I put a little challenge out to a couple poker buddies to see who can last the longest/win the most.
If anyone wants, I'll periodically post my results here. Strictly sit n' goes. We can play any limit, but they gotta be sit n' go.
Cheers,
Matt
PS - currently I'm sitting at 178$
I'll post entire results when/if I get to 200$
Matt
sounds great fun :D Only issue is have you set level playing ground? ie its much easier to win at party poker if you know what to look for. . .
we all play at Pokerstars.
Cheers,
Matt
just hit the 200$ mark, so I have doubled my bankroll. I use a progression in buy-ins to help recoup after a couple losses. I always seemed to win when playing bigger buy-ins (always a nice break).
[table=,]
Poker Tracker,,,,,,,SBankRoll:,100
Date,Game,Buy-In,Place,Profit,Overall,High:,205.6
May-10,SNG,6.5,2,16.2,109.7
May-10,SNG,6.5,4,0,103.2
May-10,SNG,6.5,8,0,96.7
May-10,SNG,6.5,9,0,90.2
May-10,SNG,16,2,40.5,114.7
May-10,SNG,6.5,1,27,135.2
May-11,SNG,6.5,2,16.2,144.9
May-11,SNG,6.5,8,0,138.4
May-11,SNG,6.5,4,0,131.9
May-11,SNG,6.5,6,0,125.4
May-11,SNG,16,1,67.5,176.9
May-12,SNG,6.5,2,16.2,186.6
May-12,SNG,6.5,4,0,180.1
May-12,SNG,6.5,8,0,173.6
May-12,SNG,6.5,9,0,167.1
May-12,SNG,16,2,40.5,191.6
May-12,SNG,6.5,4,0,185.1
May-12,SNG,6.5,1,27,205.6
[/table]
Good for you Matty....... :good:
Must be my lucky Lakers avatar ;D :D ;D
Man that avatar looks good on yah Xman!!!
HeHeHe
Ok, enjoy your time in the sun........ 8)
Do u find you're changing your game as ur progression goes higher Matty?
Regards
Clint
good question Clint,
although I'd say no, there probably is a bit of change (more tight playing). I do believe overall it's very similiar. With the SNG's style, it's all about patient play.
Cheers,
Matt
LOL Matt,
I started with a $200 BR a few months back and its now $10,000.
I like your strategy, once thing though, I see you have not lost when you play a $16 game, what would you do next if you lost a $16 game? Play a $30 or something???
Your right patience is key on SNG's. But I play heads up and I cant just keep folding or I would never get called when I raise.
Cheers
D
Hey D,
Head's up is a totally different game and your right, you can't just sit around and wait for good hands. My tips were for SNG's.
If I lost a 16$ game, I would keep playing at that level until I lost 3 games, then up it to around the 30$ level. I play in stages.
I haven't played since hitting the 200 mark, but hopefully next week I'll get a couple games in.
Cheers,
Matt
Matt, have been playing your way with great success. Far less stressfull than my HU way. :)
I suppose the only difference is I play 3 at a time, its easy to multi table 9 player tables.
Happy days :yahoo:
Diarmaid
hey D, good to hear. Yeah I often multitable at the lower limits.
Cheers,
Matt
To anyone interested,
I have now passed the 300$ mark. I will post the results and a rundown later today.
Cheers,
Matt
Way to go Matty :good:
You the Man !!!!!!
Latest results. You'll notice that during session 33 I broke my progression rule and played a 27$ buy-in. I did this on purpose as I was starting to play sloppy and lazy and wanted to re-focus. Luckily it worked.
Any questions, just ask.
Matt
[table=,]
,Poker Tracker,,,,,,,SBankRoll:,$100.00
Session,Date,Game,Players,Buy-In,Place,Profit,Overall,High:,$314.90
1,10-May,SNG,9,6.5,2,$16.20,$109.70,,
2,10-May,SNG,9,6.5,4,$0.00,$103.20,,
3,10-May,SNG,9,6.5,8,$0.00,$96.70,,
4,10-May,SNG,9,6.5,9,$0.00,$90.20,,
5,10-May,SNG,9,16,2,$40.50,$114.70,,
6,10-May,SNG,9,6.5,1,$27.00,$135.20,,
7,11-May,SNG,9,6.5,2,$16.20,$144.90,,
8,11-May,SNG,9,6.5,8,$0.00,$138.40,,
9,11-May,SNG,9,6.5,4,$0.00,$131.90,,
10,11-May,SNG,9,6.5,6,$0.00,$125.40,,
11,11-May,SNG,9,16,1,$67.50,$176.90,,
12,12-May,SNG,9,6.5,2,$16.20,$186.60,,
13,12-May,SNG,9,6.5,4,$0.00,$180.10,,
14,12-May,SNG,9,6.5,8,$0.00,$173.60,,
15,12-May,SNG,9,6.5,9,$0.00,$167.10,,
16,12-May,SNG,9,16,2,$40.50,$191.60,,
17,12-May,SNG,9,6.5,4,$0.00,$185.10,,
18,12-May,SNG,9,6.5,1,$27.00,$205.60,,
19,25-May,SNG,9,6.5,9,$0.00,$199.10,,
20,25-May,SNG,9,6.5,2,$16.20,$208.80,,
21,26-May,SNG,9,6.5,8,$0.00,$202.30,,
22,26-May,SNG,9,6.5,1,$27.00,$222.80,,
23,26-May,SNG,9,6.5,3,$10.80,$227.10,,
24,27-May,SNG,18,6.5,7,$0.00,$220.60,,
25,27-May,SNG,18,6.5,4,$10.80,$224.90,,
26,27-May,SNG,18,6.5,11,$0.00,$218.40,,
27,27-May,SNG,18,6.5,1,$43.20,$255.10,,
28,27-May,SNG,18,6.5,10,$0.00,$248.60,,
29,27-May,SNG,18,6.5,17,$0.00,$242.10,,
30,27-May,SNG,18,6.5,4,$10.80,$246.40,,
31,28-May,SNG,18,6.5,15,$0.00,$239.90,,
32,28-May,SNG,18,6.5,9,$0.00,$233.40,,
33,28-May,SNG,9,27,2,$67.50,$273.90,,
34,28-May,SNG,9,6.5,1,$27.00,$294.40,,
35,28-May,SNG,9,6.5,1,$27.00,$314.90,,
36,28-May,SNG,9,6.5,8,$0.00,$308.40,,
37,28-May,SNG,9,6.5,8,$0.00,$301.90,,
[/table]
Well done Matty
Clint
Hey Matt,
Have you continued to play this way?
Regards
D
Yep - still playing this way. Stopped reporting as there wasn't much interest.
Up to 2024$ right now.
Matty
Quote from: MattyMattz on July 20, 2009, 06:36:30 PM
Up to 2024$ right now.
Way to go Matty :good:
Devilfish had better watch out..... :D
Quote from: MattyMattz on July 20, 2009, 06:36:30 PM
Yep - still playing this way. Stopped reporting as there wasn't much interest.
Up to 2024$ right now.
Matty
Well i'm interested,
fair play mate keep it up.
Regards
D
Thanks X and D,
I haven't been playing much (online) as of late as I was on the road for the past couple weeks, and before that I was focusing on making the WSOP via the steps on PokerStars... which I didn't make :'(
I'll be back at the tables soon enough.
Matt
Hey Matty! Great results.
Please tell me how much is your SNG experience ?! Since when you are playing poker and etc.. :dance1:
also do you play commercial rooms like poker-stars and full-tilt or some other smaller poker room?!
BEST REGARDS and keep up the good results
edit: i forgot to ask you what's your playing style, do you play argressive in beggining like most SNG players do(i think its mistake) or you have some other technique?
Hey Haribekur,
I like to play mostly on pokerstars. I like to play many hands at the start of SNG, but not aggressively. But I do change it up frequently. You need to feel out your table.
Cheers,
Matt
Very nice results Matty.
I've thought about doing that for a long time now. . . the same you are doing by playing soley sng's and profitting an exclusive amount every day and applying a small progression as well. I unfortunately just never had the patience for that and I'm hoping I've overcome that now and will be able to start.
Matt do you set yourself a stop loss during play?
How long on average do you find your sng's last?
If I may ask are you still playing this way and what is your current bankroll?
I think if one can play cards even just fairly and has the patience this would be a great way to slowly build.
Quote from: Hayaatt on September 02, 2009, 04:04:43 PM
Very nice results Matty.
I've thought about doing that for a long time now. . . the same you are doing by playing soley sng's and profitting an exclusive amount every day and applying a small progression as well. I unfortunately just never had the patience for that and I'm hoping I've overcome that now and will be able to start.
Matt do you set yourself a stop loss during play?
How long on average do you find your sng's last?
If I may ask are you still playing this way and what is your current bankroll?
I think if one can play cards even just fairly and has the patience this would be a great way to slowly build.
Hey mate I am pretty sure Matty is still playing this way, but he made a large withdrawal recently so maybe he is the best to answer your questions.
Cheers
D
Hey Hayatt,
yep still playing, although was not online for a while (live games come first). I'm back over 1000$ after withdrawing close to 3000$ for some home repairs that needed attention.
No I don't have a stop loss, but that's mainly because I've never really encountered a bad losing streak.
I play almost exclusively Turbo SNG's, so they last an hour max.
Good luck!
Matt
Hey mattymatz just wanted to get an update of how your still holding up? Still playing poker constantly?
I was thinking about doing this for making anywhere from $20-$30 a day playing online poker with a $1000 bank. Tell me what you think. And let's say I'm an above average player.
I'll start by buying into two tables . 25/. 50 with $25 per table. 9max. Once i hit my goal on either table etc: i'll leave and call it a day. If I lose I'm down $50.
Then I'll buy into a . 50/$1 table with $50 each and so on.
so in other words like a progression sorta I guess. You think this would be dangerous? Some advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
I have alot of experience both playing bigger and smaller stakes so the stakes wouldn't have an effect on me. Just looking to make some solid extra income.
Hey Hayaatt,
Yes, that definately sounds doable. About 2 years back I did something a little similar. I played low open tables (around .10/.25) and played about 12-15 tables at once, each with a BR of 20$. As soon as I made around 20$ for the day, that was it. It worked well.
I don't play much in open games anymore though, just because I like the tourney format better.
I would suggest using a 50% MM Plan for your idea.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/vls-50percent-money-management/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/vls-50percent-money-management/)
Hope that helps - what site do you play on? I haven't played alot lately as I've been traveling but will be back at it soon enough!
Cheers,
Matt
Hey,
Thanks again for your advice. I"m playing on Stars now at the moment. My main problem has been controlling myself and keeping myself calm with bad beats etc: and not ever knowing when to leave a table or call it quits for the day.
So I've finally said to myself that I was just going to make an X amount per day and call it quits. Hopefully I can keep to my plan and stick with it. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
So Matt when you opened up 10-15 tables all sitting with $20 each. Once you made a $20 profit between all tables you just left and called it quits for the day?
Did you ever have any losing sessions, meaning you didn't hit your $20 goal? If so how often?
How long did you play this way?
You think after playing this way for a few months and being successful then it would be ok to move up and say target $40 a day? etc:? Thanks again.
Hayatt,
When I have been playing ring games online lately, I have been using Lanky's divisor method, its used for roulette but really it can be used for any sort of gambling.
It works very well and you can profit even if you are just a moderately good player.
It would work like this.
My base buyin (unit) is $20 and I would start on the 25c-50c tables, for a $40 buy it would obviously be then a 50c-$1 table and for a $60 I move to $1-$2, for a $80 I stay with $1-$2
I start of by playing a $20 game if I lose I play a $40 game and if I lose again I play a $60 game. If I lose all 3 games then I use the divisor to recover the money and it will also leave me with $20 profit.
So lets say I have lost 3 games in a row, which is very rare for me on ring tables.
I am down 6 units (or $120). this is how the divisor is used to recover. I'l throw in some loses too.
The amount of units played with is decided by dividing the small divisor into the larger divisor and rounding it up to the nearest unit. When you win a game (which is to double your buyin) the small divisor goes down by 1 and if you lose 2 games in a row it goes up by 1.
After every win the amount of units won is deducted from the large divisor and every loss the units are added to the large divisor.
OK here we go... -$120 (6 units) at the moment.
I'll make it as bad as possible
Win/Loss...divisor---units---total--profit
Loss.........6...13.......3.........-9
Loss..........6...16......3....... -12
Win...........7...19......3........-9
Loss..........6...16......3........-12
Win...........6...19......4........-8
Loss..........5....15......3.......-11
Win...........5...18.......4........-7
Win...........4....14.....4.........-3
Loss..........3.....10....4.........-7
Win............3....14.....5........-2
Now the divisor is down to 2 and you bring in a new divisor adding 6 to the small (2+6) divisor and 7 to the large divisor (9+7). You can bring the new divisor in when the small divisor is down to 3 either, its slower but less aggressive.
Now you have....
Win............8.....16.....2........0 Recovery complete
So in total here I made a total of 13 buyins and only won 5 of them. That a pretty terrible day at the office and I would have still not lost any money.
On this occasion the divisor went on a long time and just broke even, on othr sessions it would leave you with one unit profit.
Having said that I rarely even use the divisor but it is good to use as a recovery method I find. You have to actually lose 3 buyins first before you use it and that rarely happens me, having said that I have only being using it for about 2 weeks.
Cheers
D
Hey diarmid. Thanks for replying and thanks for your game plan/advice as well.
If you don't mind me asking what is your stop/loss? What are you currently making as your goal per day?
How long do your sessions usually end up being playing online? Do you think it is wise to play two broken up sessions per day? Or to just keep it at one per day and quit for the whole day.
Thanks again.
I don't play that much anymore so I have not had to use a stop loss with this method yet. I rarely even use the divisor. I would stop at +3 units, that would be plenty for one day for me.
I also play heads up, sng's with this method and sometimes 10 player sng's.
Cheers
D
@ Matty,
Just a quick question for you, I am trying to improve my staking at the moment, I'm going to move to higher stakes soon and I think I may be playing a little too aggressive at the moment. It's ok for the lower stakes but for the higher stakes from my experience, its much more difficult.
Are you still playing with the $6.50 base buyin?
Lets say the following happens. This is a disastrous example I know but it does happen when your luck is down.
buyin....result...total
$6.50...loss......-$6.50
$6.50...loss.....-$13
$6.50...loss.....-$19.50
$16.....loss......-$35.50
$16.....loss......-$51.50
$16.....loss......-$67.50
$38.....2nd......-$11.50
As you can see now you are down $11.50, would you go back to playing $6.50 from here, or back to the second stage ($16) or what???
Maybe if you have time you might explain how you would deal with a disastrous session like the one above.
I'm taking a break from the headsup for a while, had a horrible 2 weeks there not too long ago and lost a lot, headsup can be like that sometimes, when your luck is down your completely screwed. At least on a 9 player SNGs you can wait for cards a lot of the time. and when you get one good game you win 3-4 times your buyin.
Cheers
D
Quote from: Diarmaid on September 28, 2009, 07:17:53 AM
@ Matty,
Just a quick question for you, I am trying to improve my staking at the moment, I'm going to move to higher stakes soon and I think I may be playing a little too aggressive at the moment. It's ok for the lower stakes but for the higher stakes from my experience, its much more difficult.
Are you still playing with the $6.50 base buyin?
Lets say the following happens. This is a disastrous example I know but it does happen when your luck is down.
buyin....result...total
$6.50...loss......-$6.50
$6.50...loss.....-$13
$6.50...loss.....-$19.50
$16.....loss......-$35.50
$16.....loss......-$51.50
$16.....loss......-$67.50
$38.....2nd......-$11.50
As you can see now you are down $11.50, would you go back to playing $6.50 from here, or back to the second stage ($16) or what???
Maybe if you have time you might explain how you would deal with a disastrous session like the one above.
I'm taking a break from the headsup for a while, had a horrible 2 weeks there not too long ago and lost a lot, headsup can be like that sometimes, when your luck is down your completely screwed. At least on a 9 player SNGs you can wait for cards a lot of the time. and when you get one good game you win 3-4 times your buyin.
Cheers
D
What kind of bankroll would be necessary for the type of play above?
Matty started with a $100 BR but I would probably recommend starting with a $200. Its hard to know really, it depends on how good you are and how good you are with managing your money.
My BR is $1000 at the moment as I withdrew most of my money from poker stars, had a bad run and I want to start at lower stakes again and build it back up. Thinking im going to give Full tilt a go.
Gona give Mattys method a go for a while and see how I get on. My base stake will be the $30 tables.
The only thing I can say is if you are having a bad run at the tables, NEVER increase your stakes to try and recover, you will hit the wall. Always stay around the stakes you are supposed to be at relative to the size of your BR. If you have to lower your stakes so be it but never increase them until you are ready.
Say your base stake is $6 and your BR is $200, your base will not rise to $12 until your BR is $400 and if you drop back to $200 you need to then move back to a $6 base. Haveing said that if you lose $200 playing a $6 base you probably shouldn't be playing poker, thats where SOME of the worst players play, obviously not all of them would be bad players. LOL
Cheers
D
Quote from: Diarmaid on September 28, 2009, 07:17:53 AM
@ Matty,
Just a quick question for you, I am trying to improve my staking at the moment, I'm going to move to higher stakes soon and I think I may be playing a little too aggressive at the moment. It's ok for the lower stakes but for the higher stakes from my experience, its much more difficult.
Are you still playing with the $6.50 base buyin?
Lets say the following happens. This is a disastrous example I know but it does happen when your luck is down.
buyin....result...total
$6.50...loss......-$6.50
$6.50...loss.....-$13
$6.50...loss.....-$19.50
$16.....loss......-$35.50
$16.....loss......-$51.50
$16.....loss......-$67.50
$38.....2nd......-$11.50
As you can see now you are down $11.50, would you go back to playing $6.50 from here, or back to the second stage ($16) or what???
Maybe if you have time you might explain how you would deal with a disastrous session like the one above.
I'm taking a break from the headsup for a while, had a horrible 2 weeks there not too long ago and lost a lot, headsup can be like that sometimes, when your luck is down your completely screwed. At least on a 9 player SNGs you can wait for cards a lot of the time. and when you get one good game you win 3-4 times your buyin.
Cheers
D
HeyD,
I would drop back down. Always drop back down. If I win at 6$ nets me 27$, then I would always drop back down unless I'm down more than 27$.
Make sense?
Matt
Quote from: MattyMattz on September 28, 2009, 08:32:17 AM
HeyD,
I would drop back down. Always drop back down. If I win at 6$ nets me 27$, then I would always drop back down unless I'm down more than 27$.
Make sense?
Matt
Yea makes sense, have you ever had to go higher than a $38 buyin, when $6.50 is you base stake?
Cheers
D
How many tables do you guys normally play at a time? How long normally are your sessions?
Diarmid. Any reason why you are converting over to fulltilt instead of staying at Pokerstars?
Thanks again!
Quote from: Hayaatt on September 28, 2009, 10:44:40 AM
How many tables do you guys normally play at a time? How long normally are your sessions?
Diarmid. Any reason why you are converting over to fulltilt instead of staying at Pokerstars?
Thanks again!
I would normally start with 2 tables and if I happen to lose both of them I would then play one at a time until I win. Sessions are as long as you want them to be.
Playing at a different online casino is no different than just going to a different B&M casino sometimes, purely for the change of scenery.
D - Nope, never over the 38$ tables.
Hayatt - I usually play 4 tables at once at the 6.50$ level. If I lose them all, then it's one at a time.
Matt
Matty,
If you played 4 and lost all 4 would you play one $16.50? or stay at the $6.50?
Turbo sng's at Stars last usually an hour no?
Thanks.
Yep, if I lose all 4, I play one 16$ game.
And yep, turbo sng's almost always finish within the hour.
MM
Hey Matt,
Do you play the 18 player sng's much?
I played 5 on them tonight and cashed in 3 of them leaving a healthy profit.
Was thinking of playing them with the following steps. I downloaded that tournament shark tool, very handy to know a bit about your opponents.
27 -27
27 -54
27 -81
27 -108
38 -146
38 -184
38 -222
60 -282
60 -342
60 -402
I do play the 18 seaters once in a while, but prefer the 9 players more.
Careful with shark software as I've heard it's a violation of the rules (atleast with PokerStars) and you can get banned if caught. Not sure how it's monitored though.
Matt
LOL, I tried a few more of them 18 seaters and lost 6 in a row.
Think i'll stick to my heads up games, made thousands for them before.
Taking a liking to them 4 player heads up matches. 4-1 for your moneys and the progression used can me far less aggressive.
Gona start with a $100 BR and see if I can turn it into $1000.
Cheers
D
Hey diarmid.
How do you play your heads up games? Meaning if you lose one you play anotehr and if you lose that one as well do you move up the stakes a notch?
What is your stop loss for heads up play.
Thanks
I normally use a progression
1,1,2,4,8 OR 1,2,3,6,12 depending on the site and the buyin's available.
So I would have to lose 5 in a row to lose a lot.
I would play the standard ones, as the turbos's have higher variance for me and losing 5 in a row would be more common.
With the 4 player HU games I use a 1,1,1,1,2,4,8 progression
At the moment, I am playing the 9 player games and I use the following 8 game progression 1,1,2,2,4,4,6,6
For all of these methods I keep my bankroll at 5 times the total orf a full progression
Cheers
D
Here my results from yesterday and today. I am starting out with a $750 BR and a target of $50-$100 a day.
This shows about $100 profit. As soon as my BR is $1500 I will increase my base buyin from $5.50 to $11.
the furthest into the progression I went was to the 5th step and that was only once. Not bad since the progression is 8 steps.
Never even a bead of sweat from my forehead. :spiteful:
Date Game Buy-In+Fee Entrants Rank Prize
10/8/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 8 $0.00
10/8/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 5 $0.00
10/8/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 1 $22.50
10/8/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 1 $18.00 (chop)
10/8/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 2 $13.50
10/8/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 1 $22.50
10/8/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 9 $0.00
10/8/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 5 $0.00
10/8/2009 $20 + $2 Sit & Go $20.00+$2.00 9 2 $54.00
10/8/2009 $10 + $1 Sit & Go $10.00+$1.00 9 8 $0.00
10/8/2009 $10 + $1 Sit & Go $10.00+$1.00 9 6 $0.00
10/8/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 2 $13.50
10/8/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 6 $0.00
10/8/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 5 $0.00
10/8/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 8 $0.00
10/7/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 8 $0.00
10/7/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 2 $13.50
10/7/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 3 $9.00
10/7/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 2 $13.50
10/7/2009 $10 + $1 Sit & Go $10.00+$1.00 9 1 $45.00
10/7/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 4 $0.00
10/7/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 9 $0.00
10/7/2009 $10 + $1 Sit & Go $10.00+$1.00 9 1 $45.00
10/7/2009 $10 + $1 Sit & Go $10.00+$1.00 9 5 $0.00
10/7/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 5 $0.00
10/7/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 9 $0.00
10/7/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 2 $13.50
10/7/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 6 $0.00
10/7/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 2 $13.50
10/7/2009 $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go $5.00+$0.50 9 8 $0.00
Nicely Done D, keep it up :ok:
Matt
Thanks Matt,
I like the progression I'm using, more aggressive than yours but when you get a 1st place you are almost always left in profit.
I'm playing 2 progressions simultaneously now, takes half the time to reach target. :spiteful:
Cheers
D
Nice D, I may try something similar as I'm really enjoying multi tabling lately.
(PS - went on a bender yesterday at a live game and lost 3G.... damn. Stick to the rules right!)
Matt
Quote from: MattyMattz on October 09, 2009, 12:45:12 PM
(PS - went on a bender yesterday at a live game and lost 3G.... damn. Stick to the rules right!)
Yea, I know what you mean. I was playing today, I went to the 7th step of my progression once and if I only had played properly it would never have happened. 2 previous games to the 7th I was over 4k in chips and didnt cash, now thats just stupid unnecessary gambling, when I should have had priority to cash in.
I think I have learned from it though. Hopefully.
Thats happened me before too in a live game, I was pissed drunk and when I opened my eyes the next morning I was not a happy camper.
Drink and Poker dont mix well.
Todays play, about $75, moved to playing turbo's
10/10/2009 10:34 PM $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) $6.00+$0.50 9 1 $27.00
10/10/2009 10:31 PM $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) $6.00+$0.50 9 2 $16.20
10/10/2009 7:35 PM $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) $11.00+$1.00 9 1 $39.60
10/10/2009 7:01 PM $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) $6.00+$0.50 9 7 $0.00
10/10/2009 6:45 PM $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) $6.00+$0.50 9 9 $0.00
10/10/2009 1:48 PM $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) $6.00+$0.50 9 2 $16.20
10/10/2009 1:46 PM $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) $6.00+$0.50 9 7 $0.00
10/10/2009 1:12 PM $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) $11.00+$1.00 9 2 $29.70
10/10/2009 12:23 PM $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) $11.00+$1.00 9 5 $0.00
10/10/2009 12:08 PM $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) $6.00+$0.50 9 9 $0.00
10/10/2009 12:00 PM $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) $6.00+$0.50 9 5 $0.00
10/10/2009 11:30 AM $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) $6.00+$0.50 9 7 $0.00
10/10/2009 11:26 AM $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) $6.00+$0.50 9 2 $16.20
10/10/2009 9:43 AM $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) $6.00+$0.50 9 2 $16.20
10/10/2009 9:37 AM $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) $6.00+$0.50 9 2 $16.20
10/10/2009 7:51 AM $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) $6.00+$0.50 9 3 $10.80
10/10/2009 7:47 AM $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) $6.00+$0.50 9 3 $10.80
Nice one, I like the turbos more as well... quicker, which works good for this progression.
MM
Well done Matty and Diarmaid. Personally this is my favourite post in this forum.
Has opened my eyes to the progression concept quite a bit. Turbo's are too quick for me though.
Regards
Clint
Man it's one thing being able to play decent poker but having the discipline to keep to your plan is sooooooooooooooo hard. How do I get pass this?
I'll start by playing a few sit and go's and then somehow always manage to wonder off playing a cash game here and there and PLO and puff the bankroll gets hit. Any advice?
:-*
anytime you catch yourself wandering off the game plan, shut it down - for the day - or even a couple days.
Worked for me!
Matt
Quote from: Hayaatt on October 12, 2009, 04:41:36 PM
Man it's one thing being able to play decent poker but having the discipline to keep to your plan is sooooooooooooooo hard. How do I get pass this?
I'll start by playing a few sit and go's and then somehow always manage to wonder off playing a cash game here and there and PLO and puff the bankroll gets hit. Any advice?
:-*
If you want to take your poker seriously, make a spreadsheet with a plan, daily/monthly targets and so on.
Then stick to this like its your bible, discipline is Key in poker. In time you should do well if you are any good.
Just an update.
My Bankroll is now at $1500, I had one progression loss in the past few days and I earned the last $200 playing heads up.
I have to say I find HU more profitable, maybe its my style I don't know, but I would be profiting even flatbetting stakes when playing heads up.
I'm now using a variation of the divisor plan for my heads up play.
I'll let you know when I have reached $5000
Cheers
D
Wow nicely done Diarmid. You doubled your bankroll is just a few days it seems? I'm guessing switching over to HU play is in your game plan when need so? HU sit n go is it? Nicely done regardless.
Quote from: Diarmaid on October 14, 2009, 10:17:57 PM
Just an update.
My Bankroll is now at $1500, I had one progression loss in the past few days and I earned the last $200 playing heads up.
I have to say I find HU more profitable, maybe its my style I don't know, but I would be profiting even flatbetting stakes when playing heads up.
I'm now using a variation of the divisor plan for my heads up play.
I'll let you know when I have reached $5000
Cheers
D
Quote from: Hayaatt on October 15, 2009, 07:00:06 AM
Wow nicely done Diarmid. You doubled your bankroll is just a few days it seems? I'm guessing switching over to HU play is in your game plan when need so? HU sit n go is it? Nicely done regardless.
Yeah, HU sng's. I think I will just stick with the HU now, its much faster and I reach my daily targets much faster. I won 12 games in a row yesterday, 16 is my record and that was on the ipoker network. Having said that, this is on low stakes, $10 buyin. On higher stakes the players are better and its almost impossible to win anywhere near 10 in a row.
My base stake is $30 now on HU, i'll move to $50 when BR is $3000.
Cheers
D
Hey Diarmid,
Aren't you a big Baccarat player as well? I think I saw a while back you could beat Baccarat? How's that going for ya? What kind of advice can you offer for a newbie Bacc player as well. :biggrin:
Quote from: Hayaatt on October 17, 2009, 03:41:51 PM
Hey Diarmid,
Aren't you a big Baccarat player as well? I think I saw a while back you could beat Baccarat? How's that going for ya? What kind of advice can you offer for a newbie Bacc player as well. :biggrin:
To be honest if you are decent at poker, keep well away from baccarat. Baccarat is just like betting red/black on roulette, except for there is no zero.
I have a way to beat it using a bot and creating up and down graphs but it is extremely slow and no fun at all. It works about 75% of the time.
Cheers
D
Quote from: Diarmaid on October 20, 2009, 01:09:54 PM
To be honest if you are decent at poker, keep well away from baccarat. Baccarat is just like betting red/black on roulette, except for there is no zero.
I have a way to beat it using a bot and creating up and down graphs but it is extremely slow and no fun at all. It works about 75% of the time.
Cheers
D
Thanks for your advice. Hey Diarmid, What do you think about the Double or nothing tables? 10 players and remain in the top 5 and double your buy? You think working those games or even using a slight progression with those would be more easier to manage than the 9 people turbo sit and go's?
Maybe if you played a minimum of a 10 or 20 buy than it would be profitable?
Quote from: Hayaatt on October 20, 2009, 08:38:06 PM
Thanks for your advice. Hey Diarmid, What do you think about the Double or nothing tables? 10 players and remain in the top 5 and double your buy? You think working those games or even using a slight progression with those would be more easier to manage than the 9 people turbo sit and go's?
Maybe if you played a minimum of a 10 or 20 buy than it would be profitable?
I hate them double or nothin sng's, people just sit and wait for monster hands like AA KK QQ AK and it is very possible to lose more than 5 in a row. Also they only go up to $100 buyin's on poker stars I think.
At the moment I am playing the 4 player shootout heads up SNG's. I use a 1,1,1,1,2,2,4,4,6,6 (10 step) progression. I have not gone past the 6th step yet and the rake is very low. For example on a $11+50c game you are paying only 50c rake to get a $44 payout, thats $32.50 profit. Thats a very good return.
Cheers
D
Quote from: Diarmaid on October 21, 2009, 07:50:23 AM
I hate them double or nothin sng's, people just sit and wait for monster hands like AA KK QQ AK and it is very possible to lose more than 5 in a row. Also they only go up to $100 buyin's on poker stars I think.
At the moment I am playing the 4 player shootout heads up SNG's. I use a 1,1,1,1,2,2,4,4,6,6 (10 step) progression. I have not gone past the 6th step yet and the rake is very low. For example on a $11+50c game you are paying only 50c rake to get a $44 payout, thats $32.50 profit. Thats a very good return.
Cheers
D
Yea...actually after playing a few of those I noticed how freaking slow they are even though their turbo's. People just sit around and there's hardly any action and I start to lose patience and just make some dumb moves. I'll stick to the regular turbo sit and go's.
Is there a way to track all my sit and go's played? Or is it best to write it down on paper or store on computer file?
I saw Matt's graph and was wondering if something like that is there for me with pokerstars but can't seem to find. I know that you can request your however many last tournament results though. Thanks.
So far I've started with a $22 bankroll and am now at $149. I'd say about 20-25 games total? I"ll have to check that.
Quote from: Hayaatt on October 22, 2009, 07:39:36 AM
So far I've started with a $22 bankroll and am now at $149. I'd say about 20-25 games total? I"ll have to check that.
Well done mate, remember to keep to your plan, even if you have a bad run just walk away for the day and come back again another day, its very important to refrain yourself from tilting. It still happens me very occasionally.
The best place to check your results is pokerprolabs.com you will see the player search field on the home page and when you search your name and click on the link it will bring up your main page. Then you will be able to select from the tabs at the top of the screen to switch between, HU results, SNG results and MUlti table results. You will notice when you are using the tabs that the results are only the last 90 days, but you can do another search from within there and change the parameters from 90 days to, all data.
Cheers
D
Quote from: Diarmaid on October 22, 2009, 10:25:41 AM
Well done mate, remember to keep to your plan, even if you have a bad run just walk away for the day and come back again another day, its very important to refrain yourself from tilting. It still happens me very occasionally.
The best place to check your results is pokerprolabs.com you will see the player search field on the home page and when you search your name and click on the link it will bring up your main page. Then you will be able to select from the tabs at the top of the screen to switch between, HU results, SNG results and MUlti table results. You will notice when you are using the tabs that the results are only the last 90 days, but you can do another search from within there and change the parameters from 90 days to, all data.
Cheers
D
Cool thanks for the site. Damn I should just make a new account and start all over. I didn't know you could track this kind of stuff online. My stats kind of suck.
Anyways I feel you on the whole going on tilt thing. Which is why my stats suck because I always go on tilt and just donk off my money and keep reloading extra. It became a bad habbit and almost felt like I enjoyed losing my money online. But now it stops. Hopefully.
Quote from: Hayaatt on October 22, 2009, 11:43:29 AM
Cool thanks for the site. Damn I should just make a new account and start all over. I didn't know you could track this kind of stuff online. My stats kind of suck.
Anyways I feel you on the whole going on tilt thing. Which is why my stats suck because I always go on tilt and just donk off my money and keep reloading extra. It became a bad habbit and almost felt like I enjoyed losing my money online. But now it stops. Hopefully.
I personally feel that this is the single most dangerous thing with online gaming. I find when you travel to the casino you have all sorts of time to think about your game. And when you see the game change, and have chips sitting in front of it is easy to stand up and cash out. When you go home you are reflecting on your session and arrive home ready to relax. Like going to work, and coming home after a long day.
But when you bring the casino into your home, it is very easy to get in the mood to play poker to "Relax" and unwind after a long day of work. This not only makes it tougher to tell when you are playing your "A" as opposed to your "D" game, but it also makes it tougher to walk away. When you cash out and leave the casino, you are gone. It takes alot more effort to turn around and buy back in. But online, it's a matter of walking into the next room. For this reason I think tilting is much more likely and much more volatile online.
For me personally, I feel that online poker hurts my overall game. Not only that, I hate the idea of a casino in my house. My house is a place to relax, not a place of business. When I have a bad of online poker, where can I go to unwind? The casino? For some they are successful at online poker. For others, like me, they are better off sticking with live poker. If you are winning at live poker, why mess with a good thing? Don't believe the hype that you need to be good at online poker in order to be successful at poker overall. All the pros that say that have major endorsements from the pokersites anyway. It's in their best interests to make asinine statements like that and lure as many suckers to the sites as possible. In the end, most of them realize it's a losing propositon long after the fact. And the pros still get a free buy in to the WSOP, thanks to all hopefuls out there who took their bad advice.
Not a fan of online poker or the corporations behind them all.
I personally like to be good at both live and online poker.
In Ireland you cannot get a live game during the day, only at night which doesn't suit me.
This is true... I am a little spoiled with the amount of casinos I have access to. I'm sure if I lived out in a remote town somewhere my opinion of online poker would be a little different. Either that or I'd be broke ass poor.