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Title: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 05:57:46 PM
 Special Thanks to Rpro and MattJono for their thoughts, it helped me to come out with this system!

Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 04:41:36 PM
I have made a 27 minute (167 spins...when you turn the animation off at Go Casino as soon as you hit spin it returns the number) un-cut video of me playing my "Four Spins to Win System" WITH REAL MONEY at Go Casino (the same company that produced Golden Casino & Online Vegas).  If you choose to watch the whole video here's what you'll see happen:

I win 15 for 15 betting sessions for a total profit of just under $200.  I don't ever have a drawdown of more than $100 or so (and that happens only once), and I don't ever stake more than 4 units on any given number (also only happens once), the rest of the time my max stake on each number is 2 units.

I was originally not going to post any results of this new system (for numerous reasons) until I got the RX coding for it back.  But I'm too excited and can't help but show you guys.

Anyway, after extensive testing of my new 4 spins to win system (I'm not calling this the HG either), it proved to be a winner much more often than not.  I tested a little over 1,000 spins (I know that's actually not a lot in the grand scheme of things, but it was enough to give me a glimpse...you can download the betting history of those spins at the bottom of this post.)  So I decided to put my money where my mouth is.  That stats of those 1000 spins or so is as follows:

I win all my betting sessions except for 4.  Each betting session lost is a 136 unit blow to my bankroll (no insane progressions here guys, just the average in my opinion.  Maybe even less than average if you look at some of the other systems on this forum).  Even with those 4 sessions lost I come out ahead just under 500 units.  Also, I didn't go below the amout of money that I walked into their with.  That's right, finally a system that allows for losses and you just keep on playing as you normally would and still have a bankroll to show for it.

The video is huge (sorry guys, but it's 27 minutes long, at a whopping 367 mb.)  It is currently uploading to mediafire and when it is finished I will post the link to download it, should anybody choose to want to see it.  If not, please post that opinion here so I don't waste my time.

Remember, the tests done at Go Casino (the ones referenced in these posts of mine) are done with REAL MONEY, not play money

Please read the above, it is a post I made recently in the Testing Section.  Video Download Link Showing My Live Play Sessions for the Video Referenced Above:  nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=8RDP1J2O (nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=8RDP1J2O)

The system itself will be posted here shortly, as I am getting an overwhelming amount of requests to see the system, as well as a lot of posts about it in the "Ten Spins to Win Thread" (which is entirely my fault, I mentioned it to soon I think.  Sorry about that.).

In the meantime, you can check out my spin results of the testing I did before I took this system live below (it's actually a little over 1,100 spins).  Also, please let me know if I am wasting my time with the videos.  I know it's a really big file to download, so I would completely understand if you guys are against it.  I just finished my second session of real betting at Go Casino and my BR is now $715.  That means since the start of the first video I am at exactly a $206 profit...WooHoo!!

(If you guys want, I can post the second video as well.  It is only 12 minutes or so, meaning it's much smaller than the first).

I have now played on Go Casino a total of 7 times for a profit of over $800 in two days.  You can see the exact results by following this thread.  There is also a video (shorter videos mostly) for each and every session played.  You can find those by going through this post as well.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 06:06:06 PM
Also, since the system I have already posted (ten spins) and this are kind of complicated to track (it's actually very easy once you understand, I am just not the best at explaining I think) I have tried to nip what I think will be a common request (as it was with Ten Spins) in bud of getting the RX coding for ths system.

I currently have two different programmers (I free'd up some cash) working on Ten Spins and Four Spins.  (It's a bit of a social experiment to see which programmer works faster).  So as soon as I have the coding for each one, I will post it immediately.  We're looking at a time table of 2-3 days (hopefullly)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System
Post by: ckb18 on May 15, 2009, 06:21:06 PM
Hey RJ

What do you think on droping the units down,  and putting the system in software form. i could just see this thing working on its own with a betting unit of 1cent, nickels or even dimes. this thing could make alot of money in a 24hr period.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System
Post by: Lulloz on May 15, 2009, 07:10:19 PM
Good Luck with real money and take up the good work RJ !!  :clapping:
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System
Post by: RPro75 on May 15, 2009, 08:03:45 PM
RJ, Thank you for putting so much time and effort into your systems and explanations.  Taking cash out of your pocket for the benefit of others is commendable and I for one can't wait to test your new system.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 08:14:23 PM
Quote from: RPro75 on May 15, 2009, 08:03:45 PM
RJ, Thank you for putting so much time and effort into your systems and explanations.  Taking cash out of your pocket for the benefit of others is commendable and I for one can't wait to test your new system.

No Problem!  (Thank you for the thanks, lol).  It is coming soon enough Rpro, I promise.  In the meantime as promised here is the video link for my live play session at Go Casino:  nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=8RDP1J2O (nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=8RDP1J2O)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 08:33:49 PM
Alright, I have now gone onto Go Casino 3 times today.  I will give the stats for each of those three times below (and for those who want to check this to make sure it's true, then please download the videos.)  I currently only have the video download link posted for the first time I went onto Go Casino as the videos are large and require 1 to 2 hours each to upload.  But they will be posted all in due time.

First time on Go Casino Stats:  27 Minutes, 167 Spins, 15 Betting Sessions Won (none lost), Profit - Just under $200 - video link: nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=8RDP1J2O

Second Time on Go Casino Stats:  14 Minutes, 96 Spins, 5 Betting Sessions Won (none lost), Profit - Just over $20 (I think it was just over $20, if not it was pretty close.  My ending bankroll was $715, but you can see for yourself when you watch the video) - Video link: nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=GF7XQDYU

Third Time on Go Casino Stats:  26 Minutes, 161 Spins, 11 Betting Sessions Won (none lost), Profit  +$148 - video link: nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=S6JKNR84 (nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=S6JKNR84)

So, Since I first started my first time on Go Casino I am roughly +$363 dollars.  A total of 67 minutes of playing time,  a total of 424 spins of the wheel and  a total of 31 betting sessions won (none lost).

As I said earlier, there is already one video posted and the other two will be coming later tonight (they take forever to upload, but download very quickly.)

Enjoy!  (The system will be posted soon,  I just want you guys to see the results before you see the system this time.)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 08:36:19 PM
Also, in the videos you'll notice that I place one unit on Red and Black when I'm not betting.  This is because in the US there aren't any online casinos (that I'm aware of anyway) that allow you to spin the wheel without betting.  This is my solution to that problem.  You'll also notice there are times when you go long periods of time without betting.  This may not suit everybody, and if that's the case this system isn't for you.  However, it is my opinion that a system that allows you to win may not be the easiest to play...   Just something to think about.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System
Post by: celiza427 on May 15, 2009, 08:46:56 PM
That is great!  Incredibly happy for you RJ!   :yahoo:

I've been using RPro's last version of the "Unique Number Tracker" to play this system and it's fairly easy to keep track of everything.  That's really great though, can't wait to get out of here (work) and watch those videos.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 09:00:39 PM
Quote from: celiza427 on May 15, 2009, 08:46:56 PM
That is great!  Incredibly happy for you RJ!   :yahoo:

I've been using RPro's last version of the "Unique Number Tracker" to play this system and it's fairly easy to keep track of everything.  That's really great though, can't wait to get out of here (work) and watch those videos.

Thank you so much Celiza!  I have to give a big thanks to you, Rpro, Loufran, Simon & many others for being the big source of encouragement that you are.  The contributions that all you guys make are what make this forum the valuable resource that it is.  Thanks again!  (System to be posted soon).
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 09:17:48 PM
This System is Now Available for Download Here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=376

Some highlights of this new system are as follows:

Once a betting session begins, it lasts for 4 spins.  You either win or you lose.

On a loss, you lose 136 units if your minimum acceptable profit is set to 1 unit (that is the minimum, not the most you'll win)

No crazy progressions.  After 4 spins, that's it.

Sometimes it takes awhile before you can actually place a bet.  If you're not a patient person, this is not the system for you.

It's the reasons above and more (for one, me wanting to have the RX coding for this system before posting.  But I'm too excited to hear what peoples results are testing this system.  Once I have the RX coding, it will be posted for everybody.)  that I wanted to show you actual results using this system before posting.  I figured if I wanted you guys to test it, I should make myself the guinea pig first to see if it was a waste of time or not.  Doesn't seem to be yet!

Enjoy everyone.  Let me know what you think!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 09:52:45 PM
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that video number two is now uploaded and ready for download here: nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=GF7XQDYU (nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=GF7XQDYU)  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 09:56:32 PM
Oh, and by the way, the first 9 minutes of video two are rather boring as I don't get to place a bet.  The last 4 minutes is when I win all 5 sessions.  Just a heads up so you don't watch the video and wonder what the h3ll is going on, lol.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: ckb18 on May 15, 2009, 10:38:22 PM
great system buddy 8)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 10:44:37 PM
Alright, I just finished "sit down number 4" at Go Casino here are the stats:

21 minutes long, 101 spins, 10 sessions won, 2 sessions lost for a total profit of +$146

That's a total of 87 minutes of playtime today, 525 spins of the wheel, 41 sessions won, 2 sessions lost (consistent with my 1,100 spin test data so far, except a little more money made.  But lost to won session ratio is about the same.)

My BR is now $1,009!!!!!!!!

I have now made $500 today!!!!  WahHOoo!

Again, for the naysayers or those that don't believe me, please download the videos.  I will have video #3 up in 33 minutes (roughly) and I will then upload this one (again, I know their big, but they are certainly worth watchin!)....well, they encourage me anyway, lol.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 10:51:19 PM
I am going to call it quits for today.  I am not however going to withdraw my winnings just yet (I like to see them in there, haha).  I will update you all tomorrow after another session (tomorrow, today I'm done...)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 11:16:55 PM
Just a heads up, as I'm still getting requests for this system.  You can download it in the members section of the forum under "four spins to win".  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 11:50:00 PM
Alright guys, here is my last post for tonight (I've got to get some sleep, lol).  It's the video link for my third session at Go Casino.  Again here are the stats of that session:

Third Time on Go Casino Stats:  26 Minutes, 161 Spins, 11 Betting Sessions Won (none lost), Profit  +$148

and here is the video link: nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=S6JKNR84 (nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=S6JKNR84)

Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 01:53:11 AM
Hey, not sure if this is where to post it so if it needs to be moved, let me know.  I ran a little test of the system.  It's 92 spins, +86 units, no losses.


Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: RPro75 on May 16, 2009, 01:59:18 AM
Quote from: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 01:53:11 AM
Hey, not sure if this is where to post it so if it needs to be moved, let me know.  I ran a little test of the system.  It's 92 spins, +86 units, no losses.



I'm going to test soon, after I get done testing these repeats systems i'm playing around with.  It sounds like RJ's done it again!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 02:26:17 AM
Quote from: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 01:53:11 AM
Hey, not sure if this is where to post it so if it needs to be moved, let me know.  I ran a little test of the system.  It's 92 spins, +86 units, no losses.




Awesome Celiza!  Looks like I did a better job explaining this time because you played this set of spins exactly as I would have.  And with a nice profit there at the end and you didn't even go over 2 units on a number!  Got to love when a system does what it's supposed to.  Thanks for posting your results!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: yuejin on May 16, 2009, 03:49:20 AM
Thanks  for this RJ,

I am going to test this in the most crooked casino on the net . . . .  William Hill, where I am convinced the RNG is unfair (I guess Law Suits are now in the way to me from Mr Hill) . . .  this will be played with Real Money Mode . .  we will then test on one of the "UK Licensed" On Line Casinos where you can actually check the Hash Algorithm to prove RNG is truly random.


I know we will lose on William Hill (WH)  . . .  so when I post the results for 2 days play . .  approximately 16 Hours . .  DO NOT WRITE OFF the system, as it is more than likely WH which will force this to fail NOT RJ's work - you then all know to avoid WH !


NOW the good NEWS is IF THIS BEATS WH . . . . .  well need i say  more  ?

TNX again RJ, keep you posted on the results later in the week.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on May 16, 2009, 04:02:32 AM
Quote from: yuejin on May 16, 2009, 03:49:20 AM
Thanks  for this RJ,

I am going to test this in the most crooked casino on the net . . . .  William Hill, where I am convinced the RNG is unfair (I guess Law Suits are now in the way to me from Mr Hill) . . .  this will be played with Real Money Mode . .  we will then test on one of the "UK Licensed" On Line Casinos where you can actually check the Hash Algorithm to prove RNG is truly random.


I know we will lose on William Hill (WH)  . . .  so when I post the results for 2 days play . .  approximately 16 Hours . .  DO NOT WRITE OFF the system, as it is more than likely WH which will force this to fail NOT RJ's work - you then all know to avoid WH !


NOW the good NEWS is IF THIS BEATS WH . . . . .  well need I say  more  ?

TNX again RJ, keep you posted on the results later in the week.

Cant wait to see the results for this.
Good luck
TSK
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Andrew on May 16, 2009, 05:07:10 AM
Quote from: rjeaton1 link=topic=9190.  msg55929#msg55929 date=1242440215
Just a heads up, as I'm still getting requests for this system.    You can download it in the members section of the forum under "four spins to win".    Enjoy!

Hey rjeaton1,

Nice results so far!

Two quick questions:
1.   Where can I find the members section of the forum and the "four spins to win" post that is there?
2.   Where can I download the "calculator" do decide the type of progression?

Thanks!

Best wishes,
Andrew
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Homeito on May 16, 2009, 05:47:01 AM
Hello,

RJ...

I have to ask this: How many bets are placed in a session?

I ask because in the pdf and other places you say:
Quote from: RJ's pdfbets are left on the table for a total of four spins of the wheel
And in your reply to Celiza you say:
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 02:26:17 AMyou played this set of spins exactly as I would have
But when I look in Celiza's results I can see bets on...
Spins 39, 40 and 41: It is three bets. Lost, Won, Won.
Spins 53, 54, 55, 56 and 57: It is five bets. Won, Lost, Won, Lost, Won
Spin 74: It is one bet. Won
Spins 89, 90, 91 and 92: That is four bets. Won, Lost, Lost, Won.
:scratch_ones_head:
Maybe I do not understand "bets are left for four spins" or Celiza's results
Or something else?
Please advice  :punish:


Best regards,
Homeito Bemek

PS. Andrew...
When you are logged in you will find it if you click "Downloads" at the top of the page.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Homeito on May 16, 2009, 05:52:43 AM
PS to Andrew again...

That was not a complete answer.
You will find the Members Download section there.
I do not know where the calculator is...

/HB
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: babs on May 16, 2009, 06:00:59 AM
This system appears great. I am testing it now  :yahoo:
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Nherisson on May 16, 2009, 06:21:31 AM
Hello,

thanks RJ for this new system but as Homeito said, there are incoherences between your pdf and Celiza's results about How many bets are placed.   
Maybe I didn't understand well the system.   .   .  
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: simon on May 16, 2009, 06:35:08 AM
Robert, can you explain the theory/logic behind the system/how you came up with it?  thanx.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: MATTJONO on May 16, 2009, 06:47:49 AM
Quote from: simon on May 16, 2009, 06:35:08 AM
Robert, can you explain the theory/logic behind the system/how you came up with it?  thanx.


hi simon I guess this is what it is based around.
in 37 spins the average hit numbers is 24.

so if after 33 spins we have 20 hit numbers or less, we can use this to our advantage maybe it will not work everytime but if the wins cover the losses thats what counts ay.


GREAT SYSTEM
rjeaton1     busy this weekend painting so will do some testing soon as I can. and am ibit gutted I normally have some fun every friday with £5 on betfred and I only withdraw if I get to £100 done this a thew times, but iv lost my bank card had to report my card as lost so will have to wait for a new one. 


cheers,
mattjono
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: viper5 on May 16, 2009, 07:36:34 AM
HI
i  don t want to be negative here.....
i just wanted to tell u my resaults!

i didn t track  33 spins!
i started just placing random 15 chips in 15 nums....

i won 5 times in a row!

so +105 chips in 5 spins!

do u know why????
1st couse roulette doesn t have memory and 2nd couse is random
the only reson that we win is couse we bet 17 nums!!!!(imagine ..i betted only 15!)
so the tracking is soooooo unneserary....only waste of time!

i hope i helped!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: simon on May 16, 2009, 07:42:34 AM
good point??
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: viper5 on May 16, 2009, 07:44:05 AM
Thanks mate!!!
i like smart ppl!!!!!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: simon on May 16, 2009, 07:47:26 AM
I don't know, I'm just asking.  As was pointed out the logic of the system is "in 37 spins the average hit numbers is 24.  so if after 33 spins we have 20 hit numbers or less, we can use this to our advantage."  It sort of makes sense... or does it?  I think it's a good discussion and I would like to see opinions (from all sides of the camp.)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: bombus on May 16, 2009, 07:57:51 AM
Quote from: viper5 on May 16, 2009, 07:36:34 AM
HI
I  don t want to be negative here.....
I just wanted to tell u my resaults!

I didn t track  33 spins!
I started just placing random 15 chips in 15 nums....

I won 5 times in a row!

so +105 chips in 5 spins!

do u know why????
1st couse roulette doesn t have memory and 2nd couse is random
the only reson that we win is couse we bet 17 nums!!!!(imagine ..I betted only 15!)
so the tracking is soooooo unneserary....only waste of time!

I hope I helped!


Hey, Viper5

Pull your head in mate.

It's obvious you are on a very steep learning curve as far as roulette is concerned, but that doesn't mean you have to make an announcement every time you think of something.

Sit straight, breath deep, relax, centre, focus... now, isn't that better?
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: simon on May 16, 2009, 08:00:35 AM
I know from experience though that this is what happens...  say you are looking at all the runs of the even chances... you find out that runs of 1 hit the most so you think ok after black hits once I'll bet red--- but then you find out that all the runs greater than one (runs of 2 + runs of 3 + runs of 4, etc..) are equal to all the runs of 1 and the house edge gets you.  If you think well I'll bet red only after black hits 8 times, then you find out you bet less but all the losses to runs of 9 + 10 + 11 etc will equal the same amount of wins betting against a run of 8.  If you wait even longer and say I will only bet red after black hits 10 times in a row, you will bet even less but you will lose to all the runs of black that are greater than 10.  The same problem could happen here.... you are waiting and waiting for a certain situation, so you miss all the winning bets while you are waiting, make less bets, and can still lose to the total of all runs that can still beat you.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: bombus on May 16, 2009, 08:03:52 AM
Hey Simon,

That sounds just like roulette, mate.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: simon on May 16, 2009, 08:05:44 AM
well we are discussing the logic of the system, and if it will hold up
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: boatran8 on May 16, 2009, 08:23:33 AM
Hi Rjeaton,

1) Is it possible to tweak the system for a non-zero wheel, as I have funds in betvoyager.com ? What would be the changes ?

2) Which casino do you recommend for non-US player (as we may bet 0,01 chips) ?

3) Did you receive the results of my 2 tests ? What was wrong ? Thanks!! (you may PM me for that)

The best for you!!!

Cheers,
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: viper5 on May 16, 2009, 08:56:24 AM
Only simon is the smart in this thread!

well done simon!!!!!

the others must do this:
1+1=2
etc!!!!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Number Six on May 16, 2009, 09:51:23 AM
Quote from: simon
well we are discussing the logic of the system, and if it will hold up

Course it won't, not in the long run. How does it compensate for fluctuations, deviation, clustering and all the rest of the unexpected things randomness does? This is a classic system that works for a few thousand spins then fails. It's too heavily reliant on randomness conditions to be perfect. By all means test it. When it fails you've got something that doesn't work, so you've moved one step closer to finding something that does work.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 10:22:27 AM
Quote from: viper5 on May 16, 2009, 07:36:34 AM
HI
I  don t want to be negative here.....
I just wanted to tell u my resaults!

I didn t track  33 spins!
I started just placing random 15 chips in 15 nums....

I won 5 times in a row!

so +105 chips in 5 spins!

do u know why????
1st couse roulette doesn t have memory and 2nd couse is random
the only reson that we win is couse we bet 17 nums!!!!(imagine ..I betted only 15!)
so the tracking is soooooo unneserary....only waste of time!

I hope I helped!

Alright, this is going to be a long post as I have to respond to some things said viper and number 6.  As well as answer some questions that were asked.  The questions are answered at the end.

First, in response to the post above.  I can show you about 1 million systems that don't lose in the first 5 spins.  So far in my testing this system came out +500 units after 1,100 spins.  I am currently at over 500 spins at Go Casino and am also at +500 units.  (Granted, I know that amount of spins isn't anything in the grand scheme of things) but before you come here and post your results as to why this system fails, come here with actuals showing it fails...not words.

Number Six:  I have been playing the game of roulette for a long time, and I know it's random and all that.  I'll give you this example:
Imagine there were a table that didn't have a table limit.  Now imagine you have 1 million dollars to waste, you don't care if its won or lost.  You sit down at a table and begin to place a bet on every number that is thrown starting at spin one, then using a progression that takes you all the way out to spin thirty seven.  Do you know what % you have to win if you have enough money to follow the system out to spin 37?........100%.

Anybody who says that statement is false is crazy.  I nor will anybody else here ever see 37 different numbers come out in 37 spins.  This has been proven.

All my system is taking advantage of is the fact that only 20 numbers coming out in 37 spins has a very small chance of occuring (although it does happen, yes I understand that).  In fact, if you look at my results for the Go Casino testing, I have lost 2 sessions using this system.  End result?  I'm still +500 units, because on a loss I only lose 136 units and the wins come significantly more often than the losses.

As to some questions asked:

"you leave the bets on the table for four spins" - I used faulty verbiage again here and forgot to say that if you win bets are removed.  The chips being on the table for a max of four spins was meant to illustrate the fact that when you lose, you accept the loss as just that a loss and take your chips off.  So, on a win you start the system over.  A loss means you only bet 4 times, didn't win, then you start the system over.

"Simon (my synopsis of your post) Are we missing too many winning opportunties due to waiting" - we're actually missing a ton of betting opportunities waiting as long as we are to bet (I.E. - only 19 different numbers at spin thirty for instance, or 10 different numbers at spin 18 etc.).  The only problem with these opportunites, to provide you with a win means you have to follow the progression all the way out to spin 37.  The amount of money you would have to put in play betting on 19 different numbers for 7 spins is a lot less beneficial to your BR then the system as it stands now.

However, as i said in my last system's post, I am open to and encourage testing of the system the way I have said, then testing it with your thoughts and ideas, and posting your results as to what has happened and which is better.  So if you can come up with a way to bet more often and still win as consistently, then by all means post it.

As for the naysayers, I have no problem with you guys and your opposition to systems.  But please, before coming here and disrupting the thread and being very, very discouraging, come here with testing results showing it fails...not only words.  I can come up with a lot of words, to say a lot of things, but until I prove them (and show that I've proven them) my words mean nothing.

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: viper5 on May 16, 2009, 10:37:27 AM
@ number 6 ...well done

@rj
i don t have the time and the reason and the appetite to test a system that I KNOw will fail!

if u have them.....then do the same tests by betting 17 nums for 4 spins withought tracking anuthinf!!!!! and u will see that u will have the same resaults.....

do u know why????

couse u are betting a hell LOT of nums and couse Roulette doesn t have memorie
(tracking is just for the begginers and the ppl that doesn t have the brain to understand that tracking is a hole in the water!!!
when will u understand that????
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: simon on May 16, 2009, 10:37:37 AM
QuoteThe only problem with these opportunites, to provide you with a win means you have to follow the progression all the way out to spin 37.  The amount of money you would have to put in play betting on 19 different numbers for 7 spins is a lot less beneficial to your BR then the system as it stands now.

........ oh, now I see what your thinking is.  ok well you know I mean no disrespect because I know you are open to questions and constructive criticism.  and I really appreciate your generosity in sharing your work (and helping me understand your systems.)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: viper5 on May 16, 2009, 10:42:03 AM
I was going to post that

simon and number 6 understands....

but only number 6 understands!

lol

RJ
if u can t understand(which u don t)
test the way i told u for 1100 spins...and u will see that u will have the same resaults!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: simon on May 16, 2009, 10:53:02 AM
I understand Viper, just trying to show a little respect.  I said I understand now what Robert's "thinking" is, not that I understand why it would work... or not.  I know that, unfortunately, there is a mathematical principle that can be calculated and will show that all bets won and lost due to waiting, or not waiting, will even out and the house edge will prevail.  unfortunately.  but I do not fully understand Robert's betting progression and he is being good enough to explain it to me, so I will reserve judgement at this point in time. 
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 11:13:05 AM
Quote from: viper5 on May 16, 2009, 10:42:03 AM
I was going to post that

simon and number 6 understands....

but only number 6 understands!

lol

RJ
if u can t understand(which u don t)
test the way I told u for 1100 spins...and u will see that u will have the same resaults!

Alright, I went ahead and did so there Viper.  I placed bets on 15 different numbers (because you said it doesn't matter which ones) and spun the 1,100 times.  If anybody is intersted in the results I have attached the betting history below.  (Not to ruin the suspense, but my ending BR was -1,246 units.  So not quite the same results their viper).

There is a .txt file and .xls file (for those with different tastes.)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 11:18:00 AM
Here we go guys, I just finished my fifth session (1st one today, 5th cumalitive since yesterday) 35 minute session at Go Casino for today, and here are my results:

35 minutes of play time (had to play a little longer this time, it was slow going at first), 228 spins of the wheel, 15 sessions won, 2 sessions lost, for a total profit of +$141!!

My BR is now $1,150 from the $500 I had in there yesterday!!!!!!  That's right, $650 made since yesterday!!!!!

Again, for those of you who don't believe me there will be a download link for this video soon.  The download link for session 4 (my last session yesterday) will be finished uploading in 27 minutes for those of you who wish to view it.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 11:22:59 AM
I am trying to persevere through this sea of negativity it seems we're having here at the forum.  I've said before I have no problem with oppostion, but talking down to people and sheer negativity (without anything I.E. - testing results, or any input on how to better the system, etc.) is uncalled for.  I came to this forum for a reason.  That reason being enouragement or constructive criticism.

Please, can we keep it two one of those two things?
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Tangram on May 16, 2009, 11:24:25 AM
QuoteBy all means test it. When it fails you've got something that doesn't work, so you've moved one step closer to finding something that does work.

That's the illusion - that you're moving closer. In reality you aren't. Trying to design a winning roulette system is a bit like trying to violate the law of conservation of energy in physics. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed from one form to another. Similarly the game of roulette is a closed "system", you can't zap those losing sequences out of existence, all you can do is shift them from one part of the "system" to another. There are an endless number of systems that can be created, but they all share the same structure, so in that sense there's no difference between any of them. I don't blame people for trying though, because it seems plausible that with enough skill, knowledge, persistence etc, there is a holy grail out there to be found. Sadly it's not the case, but you're unlikely to "believe" that unless you understand the structure that all systems share. If you don't "get it", no need to feel bad, it doesn't necessarily mean that you're stupid. Did you know that Sir Isaac Newton, one of the greatest and smartest scientists who has ever lived, spent the greater part of his life trying to create the philosopher's stone? This was a stone thought to be capable of turning base metals into gold. Even genius's have blind spots, it's part of the human condition.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 11:29:26 AM
I'm sorry guys, but this thread has turned into a conversation about more of "why all roulette systems fail (not even this one in particular, but all of them)" than the system itself.  Should I just leave?
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 11:31:23 AM
I thought that actually testing my system with REAL money would help to push the "Full Systems" thread in the right direction, however it appears to have done the exact opposite.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 11:34:56 AM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 11:18:00 AM
Here we go guys, I just finished my first 35 minute session at Go Casino for today, and here are my results:

35 minutes of play time (had to play a little longer this time, it was slow going at first), 228 spins of the wheel, 15 sessions won, 2 sessions lost, for a total profit of +$141!!

My BR is now $1,150 from the $500 I had in there yesterday!!!!!!  That's right, $650 made since yesterday!!!!!

Again, for those of you who don't believe me there will be a download link for this video soon.  The download link for session 4 (my last session yesterday) will be finished uploading in 27 minutes for those of you who wish to view it.

Enjoy!

Great stuff!  Also good to hear I'm playing it right.  I had yet to watch the videos, my connection was achingly slow last night so I didn't get them d/led til midnight and I had to get some sleep too.  So I'm off to watch the first 3 right now.

For all those that still have questions about the way I played - I leave the chips on the numbers until a win then before I spin again I retrack the last 33 spins (adding however many it took for me to win - ie I won on my second bet, then I would add the 2 newest numbers and remove the 2 oldest to get my 33 spin count)  If at that moment I have 20 or less unique (ie numbers that have hit) then I have a betting opportunity which is why you see the 1, 1, 2, 1, 1 bets in a row.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Number Six on May 16, 2009, 11:35:35 AM
Quote from: Tangram
That's the illusion - that you're moving closer. In reality you aren't. Trying to design a winning roulette system is a bit like trying to violate the law of conservation of energy in physics. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed from one form to another. Similarly the game of roulette is a closed "system", you can't zap those losing sequences out of existence, all you can do is shift them from one part of the "system" to another. There are an endless number of systems that can be created, but they all share the same structure, so in that sense there's no difference between any of them. I don't blame people for trying though, because it seems plausible that with enough skill, knowledge, persistence etc, there is a holy grail out there to be found. Sadly it's not the case, but you're unlikely to "believe" that unless you understand the structure that all systems share. If you don't "get it", no need to feel bad, it doesn't necessarily mean that you're stupid. Did you know that Sir Isaac Newton, one of the greatest and smartest scientists who has ever lived, spent the greater part of his life trying to create the philosopher's stone? This was a stone thought to be capable of turning base metals into gold. Even genius's have blind spots, it's part of the human condition.

The point is: purely ruled-based systems DEPEND on randomness to be kind to them. When you've found one that doesn't work, you cross it off the list. The list is massive, but not infinate. Now, what happens is the list gets smaller, but only an idiot will get to the very end of the list without finding something that works for them. Somewhere along the line they will become a more seasoned player and realise, probably subconsciously, that everything on the list is flawed. They start to explore other areas of the game, understanding WHY that last system didn't work. Eventually they will settle on a particular principle in the game and dissect it from all directions. Turn it inside out, rearrange it, put it under the microscope. Knowing why methods don't work and accepting that is not an illusion. Becoming a better player IS getting closer.  
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Number Six on May 16, 2009, 11:38:32 AM
Quote from: rjeaton1
This thread has turned into a conversation about more of "why all roulette systems fail (not even this one in particular, but all of them)" than the system itself.

This is an everlasting and recurring theme on every roulette forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 11:49:58 AM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 15, 2009, 10:44:37 PM
Alright, I just finished "sit down number 4" at Go Casino here are the stats:

21 minutes long, 101 spins, 10 sessions won, 2 sessions lost for a total profit of +$146

That's a total of 87 minutes of playtime today, 525 spins of the wheel, 41 sessions won, 2 sessions lost (consistent with my 1,100 spin test data so far, except a little more money made.  But lost to won session ratio is about the same.)

My BR is now $1,009!!!!!!!!

I have now made $500 today!!!!  WahHOoo!

Again, for the naysayers or those that don't believe me, please download the videos.  I will have video #3 up in 33 minutes (roughly) and I will then upload this one (again, I know their big, but they are certainly worth watchin!)....well, they encourage me anyway, lol.

Enjoy!

Alright, the video for session #4 at Go Casino just finished uploading.  You can see the results that I had if you read the quote above, and then you can see them happen by watching this video: nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=XDDWAKJA
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: viper5 on May 16, 2009, 12:23:23 PM
lol
RJ
I think that u can t understand anything at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how could be beting 15 nums be more powerfull than 17~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have never told u to do tests with 15 nums............


I just told u not to track nums and bet random!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHEN U WILL DO RANDOM TESTS WITH 17 NUMS BETTED(AS U DO)THEN U WILL SEE THAT U WILL HAVE THE SAME RESAULTS!!!!!!!!!!!

@NUMBER 6 ....I KNOW THE ROULETTE!!!!  END OF STORIE!!!!U ARE SMART.....AND ACCURATE
@TANGRAM U ARE GOOD TOO
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Shorty on May 16, 2009, 12:29:09 PM
Viper, he will not have the same results... Are you saying that if I bet 17 numbers I would always be up +650 after 1k+ spins? No, I really think that you do not have a clue about roulette at all. Let the topic be, I enjoy watching people take money from the casinos, don't you?
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: simon on May 16, 2009, 12:29:19 PM
QuoteMy BR is now $1,150 from the $500 I had in there yesterday!!!!!!  That's right, $650 made since yesterday!!!!!

... well you can't argue with success.  I am keen to learn the correct betting progression Robert and hope you will keep me informed.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: viper5 on May 16, 2009, 12:35:21 PM
@SHORTY
he will have the same resaults as soon as he descover the average winings-loses
of cource I anjoy someone taking money from a casino!!!!its an orgasm  lol.........but here with maths systems....this haven t happend and never will!!!!!

@rj.....

be happy now with ur winnings.....
I never said that the chips u win is a lie!!!!

but if u will not stop now playing ur system!!!!!

u will find out the truth of this system with the hard way!!!!

all ur chips will go away!!!!!!

my systems won hundrets/thousants of chips in the beginning and a lot of other systems did that too.....
but in the end the edje of roulette always win...
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: yuejin on May 16, 2009, 01:10:16 PM
Just a simple question . . . 

someone offers a system free and asks for constructive input to help give the player the edge . . .  not necessarily create the perfect system - "The Edge" - this means not winning all the time but winning more than losing ! and you get individuals who knock that ??? . . . 

Just a little Example . . .  I'm an FX Trader . . .  so as you can imagine i have a bit of risk in my DNA . . .  the FX markets kill small traders (fortunately my funds are a fair size).  Again the  FX markets and any financial markets have often been compared to roulette - admittedly there is an element of skill . . .  but over the years many have developed systems that aim to give the player / trader the edge . . .  example Elliot Wave, Fibonacci, Stochastic , RSI, DeMark, momentum indicators, Bollinger bands the list is endless. . . . .  these tools  & systems aim to give you the edge . . .  DO NOT KNOCK THOSE WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO HELP GET THAT EDGE WHAT, IS THE POINT ?

I CANT GET THE NEED TO DISUADE SOME ONE WHO HAS OPENLY OFFERED HELP??

THIS MAY FAIL;   IT POSSIBLY WILL, BUT AT LEAST HE HAD A GO.  ITS THE EDGE WE ARE AFTER NOT THE HG! 

RJ JUST KEEP POSTING. .
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 01:19:16 PM
Quote from: yuejin on May 16, 2009, 01:10:16 PM
ITS THE EDGE WE ARE AFTER NOT THE HG! 

RJ JUST KEEP POSTING. .


Thank you!!  Agree with the whole post, but that was the best part, imo.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Tangram on May 16, 2009, 01:20:03 PM
Yes, I apologise  :-[

No more non-constructive criticism from me.  :D
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 01:25:37 PM
Results from session #6 at Go Casino:  (it's my 2nd session today, 6th cumalitve since yesterday)

27 minutes of play time, 10 sessions won, 2 sessions lost for a total profit of +$130.   My BR is now at $1,280!!!!!!!!  (I'm freaking happy!!!!)

Here are the running totals since my start of play there yesterday:

149 minutes of playing time, 939 spins of the wheel, 66 sessions won, 6 (maybe 7) sessions lost, for a total profit of +$780!!

video number 5 is almost finished uploading, once it is the link will be posted here for all to see.  Same for number 6.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 01:26:39 PM
Quote from: simon on May 16, 2009, 12:29:19 PM
... well you can't argue with success.  I am keen to learn the correct betting progression Robert and hope you will keep me informed.

PMed you some calculations  ;)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 01:28:48 PM
Thanks for all your efforts Celiza!  You are great!

Also, I will no longer be responding in any way to combatants of systems on this thread.  If I choose to respond (which I probably won't) in any way, I will do so in the pit, or wherever it belongs.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Number Six on May 16, 2009, 01:40:45 PM
Quote from: yuejin
DO NOT KNOCK THOSE WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO HELP GET THAT EDGE WHAT, IS THE POINT ?

Dude, you won't get an edge from this system. Eventually it will begin to lose at the expected 2.7/5.26%. That is absolutely undeniable. Just be realistic and stop "hoping" you have discovered something magnificant. I can see I'm swimming against the tide here and it's pointless so I'll leave you people with some constructive criticism, which I imagine you'll probably ignore: You at least need to incorporate some sort of situational play into the attack phase. Simply, when the random sequences turn hostile, don't bet and don't expend chips needlessly just because the rules say you should. It's easier said than done. Many people think "Oh, it has to hit on the next spin..." Bet in stages only when the random flow is moving towards your objective. Expand your betting opportunities, don't just rely on one event and hunt it down religiously. This approach is undynamic and randomness will engulf it like a tidal wave. You don't really need to overcome the house egde, all you have to do is avoid it. What you should be worried about is fluctuations and deviation. If you think you have a solid system, encase it in strategy. Keep your outlay low enough through controlled staking and the returns adequate. That way you'll technically gain an edge. You won't gain an edge by waiting for x and betting y.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 01:52:42 PM
Quote from: Number Six on May 16, 2009, 01:40:45 PM
Dude, you won't get an edge from this system. Eventually it will begin to lose at the expected 2.7/5.26%. That is absolutely undeniable. Just be realistic and stop "hoping" you have discovered something magnificant. I can see I'm swimming against the tide here and it's pointless so I'll leave you people with some constructive criticism, which I imagine you'll probably ignore: You at least need to incorporate some sort of situational play into the attack phase. Simply, when the random sequences turn hostile, don't bet and don't expend chips needlessly just because the rules say you should. It's easier said than done. Many people think "Oh, it has to hit on the next spin..." Bet in stages only when the random flow is moving towards your objective. Expand your betting opportunities, don't just rely on one event and hunt it down religiously. This approach is undynamic and randomness will engulf it like a tidal wave. You don't really need to overcome the house egde, all you have to do is avoid it. What you should be worried about is fluctuations and deviation. If you think you have a solid system, encase it in strategy. Keep your outlay low enough through controlled staking and the returns adequate. That way you'll technically gain an edge. You won't gain an edge by waiting for x and betting y.

As this is an example of constructive criticism, I will say thanks!  (Sincerely.  I look for constructive criticism, but blatant defaming of a system I do not).

Also, what you said is interesting, if you have any ideas on how to do it please post them.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 02:03:09 PM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 01:25:37 PM
Results from session #6 at Go Casino:  (it's my 2nd session today, 6th cumalitve since yesterday)

27 minutes of play time, 10 sessions won, 2 sessions lost for a total profit of +$130.   My BR is now at $1,280!!!!!!!!  (I'm freaking happy!!!!)

Here are the running totals since my start of play there yesterday:

149 minutes of playing time, 939 spins of the wheel, 66 sessions won, 6 (maybe 7) sessions lost, for a total profit of +$780!!

video number 5 is almost finished uploading, once it is the link will be posted here for all to see.  Same for number 6.

As mentioned in the post above video 5 has finished uploading.  If you'd like to read the results of session 5 before watching the video you can do so here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/four-spins-to-win-system/msg56087/#msg56087

The video download link is : nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=XICT0OTY
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: RPro75 on May 16, 2009, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 01:28:48 PM
Thanks for all your efforts Celiza!  You are great!

Also, I will no longer be responding in any way to combatants of systems on this thread.  If I choose to respond (which I probably won't) in any way, I will do so in the pit, or wherever it belongs.
RJ, I think this is a smart approach.  Recently, I let the haters get to me and almost left the forum because of it.  I realized in the end that it was probably jealousy and a negative attitude that made them do that.  Ignoring them is a smart thing to do, but I also do something else.  It's called "killing them with kindness".  Many times, when someone attacks you or your hard work, they are just trying to get a "rise" out of you.  If you do not give them the anticipated and wanted reaction, they will usually just go away and post somewhere else or find someone else to harass.  Constructive criticism is welcome, and input is welcome, but negativity is certainly not.  I think your systems are fantastic and innovative and I implore you to keep posting and creating.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Herb on May 16, 2009, 02:27:29 PM
QuoteJust a simple question . . . 

someone offers a system free and asks for constructive input to help give the player the edge . . .  not necessarily create the perfect system - "The Edge" - this means not winning all the time but winning more than losing ! and you get individuals who knock that  . . . 

Just a little Example . . .  I'm an FX Trader . . .  so as you can imagine I have a bit of risk in my DNA . . .  the FX markets kill small traders (fortunately my funds are a fair size).  Again the  FX markets and any financial markets have often been compared to roulette - admittedly there is an element of skill . . .  but over the years many have developed systems that aim to give the player / trader the edge . . .  example Elliot Wave, Fibonacci, Stochastic , RSI, DeMark, momentum indicators, Bollinger bands the list is endless. . . . .  these tools  & systems aim to give you the edge . . .  DO NOT KNOCK THOSE WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO HELP GET THAT EDGE WHAT, IS THE POINT ?

I CANT GET THE NEED TO DISUADE SOME ONE WHO HAS OPENLY OFFERED HELP??

THIS MAY FAIL;   IT POSSIBLY WILL, BUT AT LEAST HE HAD A GO.  ITS THE EDGE WE ARE AFTER NOT THE HG! 

Don't be hypersensitive. What you view as an attack is actually just constructive criticism. 
Get use to it.  It's important to have it.  Otherwise we have the martingale,  the law of the third, hit and ran, etc,  being invented as a viable system at least once a week.  Learn from those that have traveled before you and build on their knowledge.  Learn from your critics.

Regards,

Herb
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: cabbage on May 16, 2009, 02:31:06 PM
I might not post much about roulette BUT some of what I do post is well worth a read  :sarcastic: such as this....

"Jealousy" as Defined by Buddhism and "Envy" as Defined in English

The Buddhist abhidharmatexts classify "jealousy" (phrag-dog) as a part of hostility. They define it as "a disturbing emotion that focuses on other peoples' accomplishments – such as their good qualities, possessions, or success – and is the inability to bear their accomplishments, due to excessive attachment to our own gain or to the respect we receive."

Attachment, here, means that we are focused on some area of life in which others have accomplished more than we have, and we exaggerate its positive aspects. In our minds, we make this area one of the most important aspects of life and base our sense of self-worth on it. Implicit is an inordinate preoccupation withand attachment to "me." Thus, we are jealous because we are "attached to our own gain or to the respect we receive" in terms of this area. For example, we may fixate on the amount of money we have or on how good-looking we are. As an aspect of hostility, jealousy adds to this attachment a strong element of resentment at what others have achieved in this area. It is the opposite of rejoicing and feeling happy at what they have accomplished.

In English, one of the definitions of jealousy is "hostility toward someone believed to enjoy an advantage." It has only part of the Buddhist definition; it omits the factor of attachment to the area in which the other personhas the advantage. The definition only implies that the advantage may be true or not, but does not question the actual importance of the area or the preoccupation with "me."

Furthermore, jealousy, as defined in Buddhism, covers part, but not all of the English word envy. Envy adds a little more. It adds what Buddhism calls "covetousness" (brnab-sems). Covetousness is "the inordinate desire for something that someone else possesses." Thus, the definition of "envy" in English, is "a painful or resentful awarenessof an advantage enjoyed by someone else, joined with the desire to enjoy the same advantage." In other words, in addition to the inability to bear others' accomplishments in an area of life that, as Buddhism points out, we exaggerate the importance of, envy is the wish to have these accomplishments ourselves. We might be poor or lacking in this area, or we may already have an adequate or even above average measure of it. If we are envious and want even more, our covetousness has grown into greed. Often, although not necessarily, envy entails the further wish for others to be deprived of what they have achieved, so that we can have it instead. In this case, there is an ever further ingredient to the emotion, spite.

Envy, as a combination of jealousy and covetousness, leads to competitiveness. Thus, Trungpa Rinpoche discussed jealousy as the disturbing emotion that drives us to become highly competitive and to work fanatically to outdo others or ourselves. It is connected with forcefulaction – the so-called "karma family." Because of being jealous and envious of what others have accomplished, we push ourselves or we push others under us to do more and more, like withextreme competition in business or sports. Thus, Buddhism uses the horse to represent jealousy. It races against other horses because of jealousy. It cannot bear that another horse is running faster.



Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: cabbage on May 16, 2009, 02:41:05 PM
LOL Viper for one is sure feeling some of the above  :laugh:
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: RPro75 on May 16, 2009, 02:45:43 PM
Quote from: cabbage on May 16, 2009, 02:31:06 PM
I might not post much about roulette BUT some of what I do post is well worth a read  :sarcastic: such as this....

"Jealousy" as Defined by Buddhism and "Envy" as Defined in English

The Buddhist abhidharmatexts classify "jealousy" (phrag-dog) as a part of hostility. They define it as "a disturbing emotion that focuses on other peoples' accomplishments – such as their good qualities, possessions, or success – and is the inability to bear their accomplishments, due to excessive attachment to our own gain or to the respect we receive."

Attachment, here, means that we are focused on some area of life in which others have accomplished more than we have, and we exaggerate its positive aspects. In our minds, we make this area one of the most important aspects of life and base our sense of self-worth on it. Implicit is an inordinate preoccupation withand attachment to "me." Thus, we are jealous because we are "attached to our own gain or to the respect we receive" in terms of this area. For example, we may fixate on the amount of money we have or on how good-looking we are. As an aspect of hostility, jealousy adds to this attachment a strong element of resentment at what others have achieved in this area. It is the opposite of rejoicing and feeling happy at what they have accomplished.

In English, one of the definitions of jealousy is "hostility toward someone believed to enjoy an advantage." It has only part of the Buddhist definition; it omits the factor of attachment to the area in which the other personhas the advantage. The definition only implies that the advantage may be true or not, but does not question the actual importance of the area or the preoccupation with "me."

Furthermore, jealousy, as defined in Buddhism, covers part, but not all of the English word envy. Envy adds a little more. It adds what Buddhism calls "covetousness" (brnab-sems). Covetousness is "the inordinate desire for something that someone else possesses." Thus, the definition of "envy" in English, is "a painful or resentful awarenessof an advantage enjoyed by someone else, joined with the desire to enjoy the same advantage." In other words, in addition to the inability to bear others' accomplishments in an area of life that, as Buddhism points out, we exaggerate the importance of, envy is the wish to have these accomplishments ourselves. We might be poor or lacking in this area, or we may already have an adequate or even above average measure of it. If we are envious and want even more, our covetousness has grown into greed. Often, although not necessarily, envy entails the further wish for others to be deprived of what they have achieved, so that we can have it instead. In this case, there is an ever further ingredient to the emotion, spite.

Envy, as a combination of jealousy and covetousness, leads to competitiveness. Thus, Trungpa Rinpoche discussed jealousy as the disturbing emotion that drives us to become highly competitive and to work fanatically to outdo others or ourselves. It is connected with forcefulaction – the so-called "karma family." Because of being jealous and envious of what others have accomplished, we push ourselves or we push others under us to do more and more, like withextreme competition in business or sports. Thus, Buddhism uses the horse to represent jealousy. It races against other horses because of jealousy. It cannot bear that another horse is running faster.




Excellent post.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 03:15:26 PM
Alright everybody, now that we've got out bickering out of our systems...anybody test this system yet?
Here are my results from my 7th session at Go Casino...again I state we're talking REAL MONEY HERE (3rd today, 7th cumulative since yesterday):

18 minutes long, 125 spins, 6 sessions won, 0 sessions lost for a profit of +$79  :yahoo:  (my BR is now $1,359)

Running total from yesterday until now:

167 minutes of play time, 1,064 spins, 72 sessions won, 6 (possibly 7) sessions lost - total profit = +$859   :yahoo: :yahoo:

The video for session 6 will be finished uploading in one hour 14 minutes, once it is I will post that video.  Then I will upload this video and then post the link.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: RouletteBR on May 16, 2009, 03:15:42 PM
RJ, keep the good work!

For those who are blame him around, I have one quote:

"Not knowing it was impossible, he did it"
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 03:33:13 PM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 03:15:26 PM
Alright everybody, now that we've got out bickering out of our systems...anybody test this system yet?
Here are my results from my 7th session at Go Casino...again I state we're talking REAL MONEY HERE (3rd today, 7th cumulative since yesterday):

18 minutes long, 125 spins, 6 sessions won, 0 sessions lost for a profit of +$79  :yahoo:  (my BR is now $1,359)

Running total from yesterday until now:

167 minutes of play time, 1,064 spins, 72 sessions won, 6 (possibly 7) sessions lost - total profit = +$859   :yahoo: :yahoo:

The video for session 6 will be finished uploading in one hour 14 minutes, once it is I will post that video.  Then I will upload this video and then post the link.

Enjoy!

I understand the wheel is random everybody.  But I just want you to know where this system originated, and I'll tell you as soon as I make this point.

On a loss, you lose $136.  I am currently up $859.  That means I could lose 6 times right now (back to back) and still be in profit.  As you can see I have lost 6 (or 7) times total for over 1,064 spins.  Not to say that can't happen as I know this is roulette.

Where the system came from:

This system is not based on streets completing, sectors hitting, and so forth.  To be layout based like that means the wheel always completes "layout patterns" ...which it may.  I have not seen data on over 1 million spins showing me how many time it does or does not complete "layout patterns".

My system is based on the probabilities of how many different numbers show up in ANY GIVEN SET of 37 spins.  We all know that MOST OF THE TIME there are 24 that come out.  The wheel does not have to "have a memory" so to speak for this fact to be true over and over and over again.  It is just simply a probability...a high one.

The probability of ANY GIVEN SET OF 37 SPINS producing only 20 different numbers is somewhere around 1-4%.  This again is based on millions of spins and then analyzed.  So, can my system lose?...yes, Has it?...yes...often?...no.  If you look at my results I have lost 6 or 7 times...which means the wheel finished off  6 or 7 sets of 37 spins with only 20 different numbers coming out...which equals what....

6 - 7%!!!!!  Pretty damn close to the data of 1 - 4 % (accounts for randomness doesn't it...)

Again, I'm not saying this is the holy grail, but before anyone tells me to "learn the game of roulette" or "learn that its random" I'll tell you this...I am not an idiot and I don't ignore facts.

I like puzzles, roulette is my hobby because it's the hardest puzzle I have ever tried to solve.  Have I solved it?  Maybe...maybe not.  That's why I've posted the system here, and that's why I want feedback (ON THE SYSTEM...not random putdowns or telling me it will fail....if that's the case SHOW ME THAT IT FAILS...I won't mind, I swear.  You'll be saving me money)  Showing me my system fails is not a putdown, I appreciate the help.

So everybody, please post your results and any feedback you have.  As long as it is relevant to this system, and not something your pulling out of your @@@

Thanks again everybody, enjoy!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 03:41:23 PM
Also, my testing results of 1,104 spins, the spins I did before I took this system live (can be downloaded at the bottom of this post if you haven't seem them already) have an interesting story to tell.  I win every session in those 1,104 spins....except for 4.  Go ahead and do some quick math.

That means there were 4 times in over a thousand spins of the wheel where 37 spins finished off with only 20 different numbers coming out.  Here comes the math:

(4/1104) X 1000 = 3.62%

Again, that's pretty damn close to the data of 1 - 4 % mentioned above.

Oh, and I never mentioned where I got those spins from... Random.org imported through RXtreme.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: viper5 on May 16, 2009, 03:47:38 PM
@gabbage
i didn t read all ur post couse i got bored  lol

but if it says that i am jelous...this isn t true!
couse if someone have found a winning system and expose it ,like RJ did i will make money from it too! ;)
so i don t care to be the inventor of it.....
i just care to meke money!!!!!!!

@RJ
i don t know if u are new here and i don t care.....
i see that u like the roulette puzzle and u try to win.....like i did!!!!!!!!!!!

but i have to tell u this:
THE PERFECT BALLANCE SYSTEM THAT ME AND SCRIZY MADE WON 4000!!!!!!!!!!CHIPS AND LOST ONLY 500 IN SOMETHING LIKE 2000 SPINS(121 SESSONS)
BUT THE PROBLEM AS I TOLD U IS THAT U NEVER KNOW WHEN THE LOST SESSON WILL COME!!!!!

IF A LOT OF PPL HERE TEST IT.....U WILL FIND THAT IT WILL FAIL!

AND U HAVEN T DONE WHAT I TOLD U....OR MABY U DID AND U ARE SHY TO POST IT!

I TOLD U TO TEST 1000 SPINS WITH BETTING 17 RANDOM NUMS.....U WILL SEE THAT THIS IS WINNING TOO!!!!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 04:16:47 PM
I know there's an "Ignore boards" feature here, but is there an "Ignore members" feature?  Just wondering if I'm missing it.

Here's another test I did, had 1 loss yet still ended up in profit.  Patience is very important with this system, there's a big gap in between bets during this session, but when they came they were in 2 big bunches.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 04:33:32 PM
That's great new Celiza, I'm glad to hear it's holding up under testing.  Should have the RX coding for this back tomorrow!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 04:36:16 PM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 03:15:26 PM
Alright everybody, now that we've got out bickering out of our systems...anybody test this system yet?
Here are my results from my 7th session at Go Casino...again I state we're talking REAL MONEY HERE (3rd today, 7th cumulative since yesterday):

18 minutes long, 125 spins, 6 sessions won, 0 sessions lost for a profit of +$79  :yahoo:  (my BR is now $1,359)

Running total from yesterday until now:

167 minutes of play time, 1,064 spins, 72 sessions won, 6 (possibly 7) sessions lost - total profit = +$859   :yahoo: :yahoo:

The video for session 6 will be finished uploading in one hour 14 minutes, once it is I will post that video.  Then I will upload this video and then post the link.

Enjoy!

Video Link for Session 6: nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=O8PBB58I

Now the video for session 7 is uploading and I will post it once it is finished (they take forever to upload, sorry about that guys.)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 04:51:14 PM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 04:33:32 PM
Should have the RX coding for this back tomorrow!

Woohoo!  Can't wait.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 06:09:38 PM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 03:15:26 PM
Alright everybody, now that we've got out bickering out of our systems...anybody test this system yet?
Here are my results from my 7th session at Go Casino...again I state we're talking REAL MONEY HERE (3rd today, 7th cumulative since yesterday):

18 minutes long, 125 spins, 6 sessions won, 0 sessions lost for a profit of +$79  :yahoo:  (my BR is now $1,359)

Running total from yesterday until now:

167 minutes of play time, 1,064 spins, 72 sessions won, 6 (possibly 7) sessions lost - total profit = +$859   :yahoo: :yahoo:

The video for session 6 will be finished uploading in one hour 14 minutes, once it is I will post that video.  Then I will upload this video and then post the link.

Enjoy!

Alright, last one everybody (as I have officially cashed out my winnings) here is video number 7 (if anybody is even watching these things):  nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=U8CNLCVY
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 06:11:35 PM
My plan was to do this for 5 days, but I didn't really expect to win this much money.  That's the reason for me cashing out.  Once I get the check and it clears I will probably redeposit another 2 or 3 hundred and start over.  I will again have video coverage for you guys (if you guys want it.  Althought by now I'm sure you guys get the point of the system)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 06:13:12 PM
Hey RJ, so I'm assuming after watching the videos that you recommend continuing the progression after a loss?  So a bankroll of about 500 units 'should' be quite safe, correct?
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 06:17:34 PM
It's not necessarily what I recommend, it's just what I did (I can be stubborn sometimes.  And that stubborness can equate to stupidty sometimes).  In my 1,104 test spins I DID NOT continue the progression on a loss and still came out ahead +500 units.  Why I decided to do it while playing with real money....that would be a good question, haha.

So, I'll leave that one up to personal preference.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 06:13:12 PM
Hey RJ, so I'm assuming after watching the videos that you recommend continuing the progression after a loss?  So a bankroll of about 500 units 'should' be quite safe, correct?

Oh, I forgot to mention that I'm happy somebody is actually watching those.  Maybe you get to take part in the suspense of placing a bet and hitting spin with me.  Also, glad to hear I didn't just waste a whole bunch of time posting them.  Thanks again for your support Celiza!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Lulloz on May 16, 2009, 06:23:41 PM
You have made the right choice cashing out the moneys.

Greed is the first enemy of players for my little experience :)

Many congrats for your winning !!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 06:28:35 PM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 06:17:34 PM
It's not necessarily what I recommend, it's just what I did (I can be stubborn sometimes.  And that stubborness can equate to stupidty sometimes).  In my 1,104 test spins I DID NOT continue the progression on a loss and still came out ahead +500 units.  Why I decided to do it while playing with real money....that would be a good question, haha.

So, I'll leave that one up to personal preference.

Ok, good to know.  I think with my first go I'll go with not continuing the progression.  An avg. of $100 per 200 spins of the wheel is just fine with me  :)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 06:35:20 PM
Quote from: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 06:28:35 PM
Ok, good to know.  I think with my first go I'll go with not continuing the progression.  An avg. of $100 per 200 spins of the wheel is just fine with me  :)

After I get the RX coding back I'm going to see how after a loss shooting to get back half of your losses works out.  I.E.  You lose the 1,1,2,4 progression (when betting on 17 numbers that is) and instead of continuing it at 8,16,32,64 you would go to 2,4,8,16.

I'm only waiting for the RX coding because after 2,200 spins of this system (half in real play, half in testing mode) testing another 1,000 spins not for real money just sounds like....too much, haha.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 06:39:42 PM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 06:35:20 PM
After I get the RX coding back I'm going to see how after a loss shooting to get back half of your losses works out.  I.E.  You lose the 1,1,2,4 progression (when betting on 17 numbers that is) and instead of continuing it at 8,16,32,64 you would go to 2,4,8,16.

I'm only waiting for the RX coding because after 2,200 spins of this system (half in real play, half in testing mode) testing another 1,000 spins not for real money just sounds like....too much, haha.

Ha! Completely understandable.  Also, love the idea of getting at least half back - a little less risk there.  Betting 16 a # is rather steep (unless your BR is over $1000 like somebody's was  ;D)  Can't wait for that RX program, will make the tracking even easier - thanks again, man!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 06:40:06 PM
The first 1100 test spins I did, I just quit the progression and started over and still came out ahead +500 units, so if trying to get back half of your losses works out that would be a nice bonus.  If not, just quitting works too because you're right.  $100 for 200 spins on average isn't bad, haha.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 06:43:35 PM
Quote from: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 06:39:42 PM
Ha! Completely understandable.  Also, love the idea of getting at least half back - a little less risk there.  Betting 16 a # is rather steep (unless your BR is over $1000 like somebody's was  ;D)  Can't wait for that RX program, will make the tracking even easier - thanks again, man!

If you and I had the capability to bet at a casino that allowed bet amounts other than whole numbers we could reduce that 16 on a # problem by shooting to only get back a third of your losses.  I.E. - .70, 1.40, 2.80, 6.20 (added of course to what you would be betting had you just started the progression over)  That would be great!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: ckb18 on May 16, 2009, 06:46:47 PM
 :spiteful: thats right buddy! :spiteful:
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 07:38:42 PM
RJ, another question.  In the the videos I saw you putting RX into condensed mode...are you using RX to track this system, and if so, how?  Right now I'm using Rpro's Unique Number Tracker.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 16, 2009, 07:41:44 PM
Quote from: celiza427 on May 16, 2009, 07:38:42 PM
RJ, another question.  In the the videos I saw you putting RX into condensed mode...are you using RX to track this system, and if so, how?  Right now I'm using Rpro's Unique Number Tracker.

Great question, you can watch a video I made for Simon here: nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=J68JN0Z2

It's a rather small video, and you'll see how I use RXtreme for tracking in this system.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: dvdmaster on May 16, 2009, 09:39:04 PM
hi Rjeation1,

I saw one of your video "6th times on Four spins to win" and at the end, you put over $30 on one number, is this normal?  ???
Also, isn't the progression is 1124 then start again??

DVdmaster
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: cabbage on May 17, 2009, 10:22:58 AM
Quote from: viper5 on May 16, 2009, 03:47:38 PM
@gabbage
I didn t read all ur post couse I got bored  lol

but if it says that I am jelous...this isn t true!
couse if someone have found a winning system and expose it ,like RJ did I will make money from it too! ;)
so I don t care to be the inventor of it.....
I just care to meke money!!!!!!!


Sorry Viper you did seem pissed that all the attention or "limelight" was on RJ... so i know its not about the money for you,its just the attention seeking or "hero status" your after since you joined the site but nothing wrong with that, though,I think you should learn to except that there are other talanted system/method creators that will get thier 5 minutes.

Peace
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: simon on May 17, 2009, 11:51:13 AM
technical questions-- technical answers-- please no emotional outbursts with all caps and lots of exclamation points (not to censor anyone-- I guess if you must, you must)-- just wondering if these questions can be answered objectively-- or not-- which could help determine if this system has merit-- or not.  It may not be possible to answer these questions, I don't know, but I think the probabilities could be computed, but may not be necessary to actually calculate it out... just wondering....

ok we know that there is a high probability that cycles of 37/38 spins will produce more than 20 unique numbers (24 numbers), yes I have seen the mathematical tables in regards to this.  now though in this system we will be betting on a smaller percentage of these cycles of spins, because of the betting opportunity we are waiting for.  So I think it would be helpful to know, what percentage of all or typical 37 (or 38) spin cycles would we be betting, based on the betting opportunities/rules of the system?  Are we betting on half the cycles?  More than half?  A quarter of them?  Less?  The next question is, does this matter?  Does this present the same problem as waiting for black to hit ten times in a row before betting on red, only to find out that the total of all runs that will occur that are greater than 10 will equalize that bet?  (which is a mathematical certainty, I can assure you.)

I don't know though, if this system presents the same problem.  I think, if one could know what percent of the typical 37 spin cycle this system will beat (and it will beat a high percentage of these spin cycles), and we could know what percent of the spin cycles we would actually be betting on, somehow we can put the two together to come up with some kind of working prediction about the system.  I don't know, just throwing this out there, need someone smarter than me to offer some real, objective, technical, non-emotional, non-judgemental, non-philosophical, non-opinionated, specific answers or comments about this, would be nice.

So the main question is, can we really capture the high probability of a win in these cycles, or by limiting the cycles of spins we are betting, will our expected wins/losses somehow be equalized by the expected wins/losses in the cycles of spins we did not play?  And/but, can the progression help us secure these wins we "don't deserve" so to speak, by not playing the cycles of spins we skipped?

(alright I guess opinionated answers are ok)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: argie on May 17, 2009, 11:57:47 AM
I tried to download the system to do my own tests, clicking in the link from RJ's post but i get the following message: "No download exists".

RJ, o somebody that download it while it worked, can you post it again please?

Thanks
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on May 17, 2009, 11:59:35 AM
Quote from: argie on May 17, 2009, 11:57:47 AM
I tried to download the system to do my own tests, clicking in the link from RJ's post but I get the following message: "No download exists".

RJ, o somebody that download it while it worked, can you post it again please?

Thanks
yep I tried too as well....no joy
TSK
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: celiza427 on May 17, 2009, 12:04:36 PM
That's strange, but I would wait for RJ...don't want to step on his toes and post it if he meant to take it down - but I don't know why he would.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: argie on May 17, 2009, 12:23:57 PM
Quote from: celiza427 on May 17, 2009, 12:04:36 PM
...if he meant to take it down...

Well, i hope this is not the case, i've red the hole thread, it took me a while, i wanted to read it all before starting to test it just in case he might do any mod's... please RJ, if you read this post, it would be ok if you upload it again, despite if you took it down or not.

Thanks
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 17, 2009, 12:48:45 PM
Hey guys, (yes I did in fact take the download down, as I didn't see this post generating much interest, test results or suggestions...other than arguing)  with the exception of a couple of people.  I'm really happy to hear you guys read this thread and want to download the system, that makes me really happy!

I have re-posted the download here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=380

Enjoy guys, and I can't wait to hear what you're results are!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: boatran8 on May 17, 2009, 02:07:13 PM
@Rjeaton

Hi RJ,

Hope you are fine with all this work...

I PMed you my results with this system 2 days ago... Any comments would be appreciated if you have a little time of course...

Can't wait for the RX coding...  ;)

Take care and don't stop posting even if some individuals are discouraging you... No comment

Cheers.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Learning on May 17, 2009, 11:37:04 PM
Hi and I am new here. . . . and yes, I am always learning.   Wish there was a link to download. . . . I would be grateful, and learn it, and study study study.   
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: simon on May 18, 2009, 12:29:05 AM
Here is the problem you are going to run into with this system:  Yes there is a high probability that in a typical cycle of 37 spins, more than 20 numbers should hit (24 is the expected), but with this system you are ONLY betting on the 37 spin cycles in which not more than 20 numbers have hit within 33 spins.  This eliminates ALL the other cycles of 37 spins that don't meet this criteria, which is why you cannot expect to capture the same probability of winning by trying to capitilize on the 24 average hit number, as this number only works when you are looking at any and all cycles of 37 spins, regardless of how many unique numbers have hit within a certain amount of spins.

I would love for this system to work so that I can run down to my local casino and play it on the roulette machines there, which are single zero wheels and one could keep clicking red against black to generate spins until the desired betting opportunity arises, but I am sure this will run into the same problem as waiting for 10 reds so you can bet black-- which is the bet will be equalized by the total of all runs that are greater than 10, and then the house edge will prevail.

But RJ won lots of fast money with it so what the hell, I'll probably try it anyway (at least I can bet less at the machines, than at the tables.)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: See_Jerek on May 18, 2009, 04:32:18 AM
where can I find the bet calculator for this system?
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: simon on May 18, 2009, 07:13:36 AM
so in order to know if this system wins, the question becomes, not what percent of 37 spin cycles will end with greater than 20 unique numbers (high percent), but, what percent of 37 spin cycles in which not more than 20 numbers have hit within 33 spins, will end with more than 20 unique numbers?  I don't know how to specifically calculate this, but I have a good idea what the general answer is, having been down this road before.  I believe the answer is... the total of all 37 spin cycles in which more than 20 numbers will hit within 37 spins, after not more than 20 numbers hit within 33 spins (the games you will win), will be equal to the number of 37 spin cycles in which the 20 numbers that hit within 33 spins, remain the same (keep repeating) past 37 spins (the games you will lose.)  So it will be a wash (as what always happens in roulette when you play these waiting games), and the house edge will prevail.

Now I have answered the question I asked one page back, which no one seemed interested in thinking about or responding to.  That's OK, it shows that when you ask a question and no one will answer, you will eventually be able to answer it yourself if you think about it long enough.  Am just trying to analyze the system and what will happen, to look ahead to the end of the story, rather than how it begins and goes along.  Having been down this road so many times, I'm quite certain the winning games and losing games will be a wash, and it is the house edge that gets you in the end as always.  Not saying you will definitely lose or the system is bad, perhaps the bet progression will make the winning difference, I don't know as that is a whole other thing to find out.

I hope someone will at least acknowledge this post, let me know if you follow, agree or disagree... just trying to contribute and help here....
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: argie on May 18, 2009, 08:03:13 AM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 17, 2009, 12:48:45 PM
Hey guys, (yes I did in fact take the download down, as I didn't see this post generating much interest, test results or suggestions...other than arguing)  with the exception of a couple of people.  I'm really happy to hear you guys read this thread and want to download the system, that makes me really happy!

I have re-posted the download here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=380

Enjoy guys, and I can't wait to hear what you're results are!

Thanks for posting it again RJ, but there seems to be a problem because i'm still getting the same error "No download exists".

Would you be willing to send it to my email, maybe this way i'll finally get it. Let me know so i'll PM you my email.

Thanks again RJ, and sorry for the trouble.

Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: coetser on May 18, 2009, 09:45:47 AM
Hi RJ

Just to give some feedback on this system.  I have been playing real money on Bet voyager using 1c bets and today after 155 spins I had no losses I did not keep track of how many wins I had but there where a few.
Playing on Bet voyager you only get a few spins without betting and then you have to place a bet, so I have been playing a 2 dozen system posted on this site recently and it works a charm while I am getting the numbers I need to start tracking for your system.

I started with 30 euro's and am up to 35. 75 euro's playing both systems, I know it is slow going as it is only 1c bets but I does me fine for now.
I must say that it is the no zero table I am playing on and I am well pleased with the results so far.
I watched your video on how to use Roulettextreme to track and am doing the same.
All I do is wait for 20 numbers or 19 numbers in some cases to be tracked and then bet on the remainder.
My progression is 1,2,4,8 and I don't mind doing it this way as it only 1c bets.

I think you are a great contribution to this forum even if these systems don't work long term but at least you are sharing and that what it's about.  I am keen to get your codes for roulettextreme when you have then and if you will share them that will be great.

Keep up the good work and I will try to save my spins for my next session, I am still learning how to use roullettextreme and will post my next session as soon as I can.

Thanks
coetser
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 18, 2009, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: simon on May 18, 2009, 07:13:36 AM
so in order to know if this system wins, the question becomes, not what percent of 37 spin cycles will end with greater than 20 unique numbers (high percent), but, what percent of 37 spin cycles in which not more than 20 numbers have hit within 33 spins, will end with more than 20 unique numbers?  I don't know how to specifically calculate this, but I have a good idea what the general answer is, having been down this road before.  I believe the answer is... the total of all 37 spin cycles in which more than 20 numbers will hit within 37 spins, after not more than 20 numbers hit within 33 spins (the games you will win), will be equal to the number of 37 spin cycles in which the 20 numbers that hit within 33 spins, remain the same (keep repeating) past 37 spins (the games you will lose.)  So it will be a wash (as what always happens in roulette when you play these waiting games), and the house edge will prevail.

Now I have answered the question I asked one page back, which no one seemed interested in thinking about or responding to.  That's OK, it shows that when you ask a question and no one will answer, you will eventually be able to answer it yourself if you think about it long enough.  Am just trying to analyze the system and what will happen, to look ahead to the end of the story, rather than how it begins and goes along.  Having been down this road so many times, I'm quite certain the winning games and losing games will be a wash, and it is the house edge that gets you in the end as always.  Not saying you will definitely lose or the system is bad, perhaps the bet progression will make the winning difference, I don't know as that is a whole other thing to find out.

I hope someone will at least acknowledge this post, let me know if you follow, agree or disagree... just trying to contribute and help here....

After reading what you have posted Simon, it makes absolute sense.  You're right, long term (just like every other system) this one will fail.  It is however a solid system, but that losing streak could be the very first time you sit down at the table (luckily this wasn't the case for me).  Thanks for your input, and the very clear way in which you worded it.  Makes sense.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 18, 2009, 12:26:36 PM
Quote from: coetser on May 18, 2009, 09:45:47 AM
Hi RJ

Just to give some feedback on this system.  I have been playing real money on Bet voyager using 1c bets and today after 155 spins I had no losses I did not keep track of how many wins I had but there where a few.
Playing on Bet voyager you only get a few spins without betting and then you have to place a bet, so I have been playing a 2 dozen system posted on this site recently and it works a charm while I am getting the numbers I need to start tracking for your system.

I started with 30 euro's and am up to 35. 75 euro's playing both systems, I know it is slow going as it is only 1c bets but I does me fine for now.
I must say that it is the no zero table I am playing on and I am well pleased with the results so far.
I watched your video on how to use Roulettextreme to track and am doing the same.
All I do is wait for 20 numbers or 19 numbers in some cases to be tracked and then bet on the remainder.
My progression is 1,2,4,8 and I don't mind doing it this way as it only 1c bets.

I think you are a great contribution to this forum even if these systems don't work long term but at least you are sharing and that what it's about.  I am keen to get your codes for roulettextreme when you have then and if you will share them that will be great.

Keep up the good work and I will try to save my spins for my next session, I am still learning how to use roullettextreme and will post my next session as soon as I can.

Thanks
coetser


Thrilled to hear you're having great results!  I couldn't be happier!  I actually have the RX coding for this system now, and as soon as I am done playing around with it I will post it for everybody.  Thanks for your inputs!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 18, 2009, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: coetser on May 18, 2009, 09:45:47 AM
Hi RJ

Just to give some feedback on this system.  I have been playing real money on Bet voyager using 1c bets and today after 155 spins I had no losses I did not keep track of how many wins I had but there where a few.
Playing on Bet voyager you only get a few spins without betting and then you have to place a bet, so I have been playing a 2 dozen system posted on this site recently and it works a charm while I am getting the numbers I need to start tracking for your system.

I started with 30 euro's and am up to 35. 75 euro's playing both systems, I know it is slow going as it is only 1c bets but I does me fine for now.
I must say that it is the no zero table I am playing on and I am well pleased with the results so far.
I watched your video on how to use Roulettextreme to track and am doing the same.
All I do is wait for 20 numbers or 19 numbers in some cases to be tracked and then bet on the remainder.
My progression is 1,2,4,8 and I don't mind doing it this way as it only 1c bets.

I think you are a great contribution to this forum even if these systems don't work long term but at least you are sharing and that what it's about.  I am keen to get your codes for roulettextreme when you have then and if you will share them that will be great.

Keep up the good work and I will try to save my spins for my next session, I am still learning how to use roullettextreme and will post my next session as soon as I can.

Thanks
coetser


I forgot to mention this in my last response, another way to track without having to play another system is to just put one unit on red and one unit on black (but the zero will burn you, so having another system to play in the meantime isn't a bad idea).  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 18, 2009, 12:53:11 PM
Alright, here is the results I'm having with the RXtreme coding.

If I let it autoplay for more than 500 spins at a time, I almost always end up with a loss.  If I play it however like I did for real money at an online casino (for only 150 spins or so at a time, stop, then come back for another 150 spins or so) I (so far) always come out ahead.  Weird...
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Volador on May 18, 2009, 01:27:31 PM
edit: Nevermind, I found the link in the members section
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 18, 2009, 01:30:59 PM
Click this link:

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=382
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 18, 2009, 03:13:13 PM
I modified this system to an even further extent.  If you'd like to see the results you can do so here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/10k-spins-no-lost-sessions-plus2k-units-video/

It's interesting, I promise.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 18, 2009, 04:30:06 PM
If anybody would like the un-modified version of this 4 spins to win system in RXtreme's coding language (for automated use) let me know via email or PM.  I don't want to post it here for anybody to download.

Thanks!

Also, don't forget to check out the results of this system modified.  You can see those results using the link above or going to the thread in the "testing zone" of the forum.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rss on May 19, 2009, 01:22:39 PM
hi rj, can you please tell me in what way you modified the original?
thanks
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 19, 2009, 01:43:17 PM
You can download this system for RXtreme here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=384

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: cabbage on May 19, 2009, 02:05:53 PM
MASSIVE drawdowns anyone?????
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Lulloz on May 19, 2009, 02:37:24 PM
I have tested this system on a playtech RNG (the bad RNG ever) starting with 10€ bankroll and with 10c stake.
Progression used is  1-1-2-3.

For now my balance is 40 € and no loss session.

I think is a very good system, no failproof but very strong one !!

Where is failproof system ? I never have find one for now ;)

Many thx for sharing it RJ !!!!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 19, 2009, 02:48:22 PM
Quote from: Lulloz on May 19, 2009, 02:37:24 PM
I have tested this system on a playtech RNG (the bad RNG ever) starting with 10€ bankroll and with 10c stake.
Progression used is  1-1-2-3.

For now my balance is 40 € and no loss session.

I think is a very good system, no failproof but very strong one !!

Where is failproof system ? I never have find one for now ;)

Many thx for sharing it RJ !!!!

That is awesome Lullo!   :good: Glad to hear it (and no problem for sharing it, that's why were all here  :ok:)  I don't know if you downloaded the RXtreme coding for this system, but if you haven't it would make playing this system a thousand times easier.  All you would do is enter into RXtreme the numbers returned from the casino you're playing at and then bet wherever RXtreme bets.  Just a thought.

Congrats on your winnings!  (just don't get greedy, haha).
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: argie on May 20, 2009, 03:54:18 AM
Hi RJ

I've tested it with some sessions i have from a mechanical roulette from the casino of barcelona and it looks pretty good.

I'll try to find time to go to the casino this weekend to test it with real money, i'll let you know.

It looks pretty good  :thumbsup:

Thanks again for sharing
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Just_Gabe on May 21, 2009, 05:08:34 AM
QuoteHowever, it is my opinion that a system that allows you to win may not be the easiest to play
Couldn't agree more.  I learned the hard way that even in roulette there is nothing like "easy money" without having to learn how to play.

If your system is one where you have to wait like 20 minutes to get a couple of wins...I don't care ;) any winning system is a system for me hehe.  I prefer a system that needs being 5 hours of playing and get only +$100 with little risk than being 30 minutes that promises +$200 with very high risk systems.

I have to say that I'm kind of shocked and at the same time very happy for the results and profits you have got!  I would love to try your system and post my results :)

Very nice work, and specially thanks for sharing it with us!

I'm downloading the vid, but I guess I'll leave it to download all night as I'm pretty sleepy now.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: coetser on May 22, 2009, 06:50:55 AM
Hi RJ

Just thought i would send a message to let you know that i have been having a lot of succes with this system and i started the week with 30 euro and am up to 90 euro now all 1cent bets will give your new system a good later.

thanks again for all the hard work you have done i wish there more people like you.

best regards
coetser
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: sean43 on May 22, 2009, 07:52:05 AM
coestsa, what casino are you playing at by any chace? Also what progression are you usins and are you using RouletteXtreme?

This looks very interesting! Thanks for all the information everyone
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: coetser on May 22, 2009, 11:18:21 AM
HI THERE

am plsying at betvoyager on the euro table without house edge and yes i am using the roullettextreme makes it a lot eazier and i just follow the progression as it comes up on the rx.

hope this helps
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 22, 2009, 11:33:10 AM
I'm absolutely thrilled that you're having such outstanding results!  Congrats on your winnings!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Davemd on May 22, 2009, 11:57:41 AM

Hi Rj,

       thanks for sharing this,

have played a few times,

got a few big drawbacks of 500+ units but its always pulled itself back up again,

did you have this programed to run on a bot ?

                                                             Kind Regards,

                                                                              Davemd.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Rapid4u on May 23, 2009, 06:09:03 PM
ived test your system with gutchba and is a loose one,(for me) i used 1 2 4 8 progression,looks to easy to be true
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Just_Gabe on May 24, 2009, 08:42:07 PM
Hey rj, I just watched the video and became totally confused...
You said in your ebook that you have to track 33 spins until at least 17 numbers are unhit, but in the video you made 34 spins before betting.
Then latter, when 36 first hit, you didn't remove it and continued betting on it, but when 10 and 18 hit you removed them as those were hit numbers...why did you do that? wasn't 36 supposed to be removed after it hit?

This happens in the first 5 minutes of your video.  Hope you can help me to have a much better understanding of your system.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Just_Gabe on May 25, 2009, 07:13:14 PM
Ok, whatever, I realized that it was a human error since you later started to use the method you explained in the ebook.

Good news, I just tested your system with real money with a BR of $15.00 with betting units of $0.10 and made my
way up to $27.00 for a profit of $12.00 with aproximately 8 sessions won (can't really remember how many of them were)
and only 1 session lost.

Overall, your systems looks pretty impressive to me :)

I'l keep testing.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: vrucajanjetina on May 26, 2009, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: rjeaton1 link=topic=9190. msg58379#msg58379 date=1243002790
I'm absolutely thrilled that you're having such outstanding results!  Congrats on your winnings!

I'd like to test it too.  :) How can I
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: ced82 on May 26, 2009, 02:48:27 PM
The system isn't avalaible anymore in download. Could we have a link?
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on May 26, 2009, 02:51:56 PM
Quote from: vrucajanjetina on May 26, 2009, 02:39:47 PM
I'd like to test it too.  :) How can I

You can download this system for RXtreme in the members section.  Or you can use this link:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=382

I will advise you however, to make sure you test a system extensively before laying your chips on a table.  I personally used this system to make a couple bucks as have a couple of other users here on the forum.  This is not to say however that you too can do the same.  This system when tested long term (over thousands of spins) loses the same as any other.  It is in my opinion a very strong system, but you never know when you'll be sitting down at the table just as it is poised to put you right at that "losing spin moment".

So enjoy!  (just enjoy cautiously)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: tomkirky on May 26, 2009, 03:37:10 PM
Is their any robot for this system so for example I could play it at playtech casino's and it auto bet for me?
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: RPro75 on May 26, 2009, 04:03:31 PM
I just want to say that I turned $50 into $233 with this system this morning!  Thanks, RJ!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: ab2170 on May 26, 2009, 04:10:15 PM
Which sites are you using this system on please

Andy
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: sean43 on May 27, 2009, 08:50:18 AM
RPRO75, what casino were you playing at with what units?

Great to hear the wins!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: ab2170 on May 29, 2009, 05:48:05 PM
Com'on RPRO - let us now what casino you played this at
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: hermes on May 31, 2009, 09:34:41 PM
I tested 10 sessions x 33 spins marking on RNGs. I tweaked it a little bit with big success. After 33 spins I just did bet all unhit numbers left. Sometimes it were only 12 numbers left unhit and I bet progression untill one did hit. Never came more than 4 spins to bet, actually with 12 unhit numbers after 33 spins on the 34th spin hit!
I think just bet what's left over (at least 12 unhit numbers is minimum) after 33 spins with progression until hit and than mark another 33 spins. When you have only 12 unhit numbers you can bet almost 3 spins $1/number. On the 3rd spin I would increase to $1,50/number. Go progression even for 10 spins. Betting at least 12 numbers one will hit until 10 for sure.
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: EternalSouljah on June 01, 2009, 12:38:05 AM
Hey everyone im new here and just downloaded the pdf.   I see that it mentioned a betting calculator.  Does anyone happen to have the link for that.  Thanks so much.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: elamigos on June 02, 2009, 08:49:37 AM
I have a question to RJ or any other who understood this system very well.  Look at the picture I attached.  Is there exactly same probability to lose 10. 000 units just at the first 100-1000 spins, or after we win first more than 10000 units?
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: celiza427 on June 02, 2009, 10:08:21 AM
Quote from: EternalSouljah on June 01, 2009, 12:38:05 AM
Hey everyone im new here and just downloaded the pdf.   I see that it mentioned a betting calculator.  Does anyone happen to have the link for that.  Thanks so much.

Hmm, I looked through the downloads but could not find it.  Of course, I'm still not fully awake, but anyway I'll attach the bet calc for this system to this post.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: elamigos on June 02, 2009, 10:52:12 AM
Another question: what tool is best to use with this system? I don't want to write each number on paper and then think if there are 17 unhit numbers or not yet.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: TwoCatSam on June 13, 2009, 12:09:35 PM
rj

I clicked on the download link and it said "no download available".  Did you pull it down? 

Sam
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on June 13, 2009, 12:14:22 PM
@ TwoCat - No, that's weird.  I may have taken it down, updated it and then re-uploaded it therefore changing the link location.

The link to download the RXtreme code is here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=384

The link to download the PDF is here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=382
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: TwoCatSam on June 13, 2009, 12:26:03 PM
OK, that time it worked.  Can't wait to have a look at it.  I plan to watch all your videos as soon as time permits.

Sam
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: haribekur on June 14, 2009, 09:33:04 AM
I played half a hour using 1 unit chip and i made +61.I'll continue testing latter..
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Allin on June 19, 2009, 10:32:04 PM
Hi Guys,

      Is it really good system?  I tried Roulette Xtreme code, It brought me to Positive figure after 20K spins.  But when i verified the code, Progression goes 100$ on each number, meaning at one time you will be betting 1700$ per spin.   I am not sure how realistic it is. 

     But when I tested with 1,1,2,4 and 1,1,2,3 progression it actually put me Negative.

    I am pretty sure over the short run it may gain,  But over the long run, I am not confident.

     Are you sure guys its cracker.. ??? ??? ???

Regards
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: moles40 on June 22, 2009, 03:07:45 PM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on June 13, 2009, 12:14:22 PM
@ TwoCat - No, that's weird.  I may have taken it down, updated it and then re-uploaded it therefore changing the link location.

The link to download the RXtreme code is here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=384

The link to download the PDF is here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=382

How do you download the above files ffs,I click on them and they take me to the forum index page????????????
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: hideseek on June 22, 2009, 08:03:04 PM
Thanks RJ for all your effort.

Rt now download section is down. Just waiting to hear from our beloved IT guy Vicktor ;D. Meanwhile if anybody can pm me this system details I will be happy to test it.
HS
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: cippe on June 24, 2009, 07:30:03 AM
Ok but where i can find this system? I see many test, but i don't understand how the system works
Thanks
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: cippe on June 29, 2009, 11:26:28 AM
anyone?
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Paul on June 29, 2009, 05:31:26 PM
Go to the download section, and download the pdf!! :)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: cippe on June 29, 2009, 08:50:20 PM
Can you give me the link? This hxxp: vlsroulette. com/downloads/?sa=view;id=376 that was at the first page of the thread does'nt work
Thanks
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: cippe on June 30, 2009, 08:38:50 PM
Ok i find it. . .  can you explain how track the 33 spins? Is there some software or bot?
Thanks
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: rjeaton1 on June 30, 2009, 11:51:58 PM
Quote from: cippe on June 30, 2009, 08:38:50 PM
Ok I find it. . .  can you explain how track the 33 spins? Is there some software or bot?
Thanks

Here is the link to the .DGT file: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=384 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=384)

Note: You'll need Roulette Xtreme to use this (if you don't already have it).  You can find that at nolinks. uxsoftware . com
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: cippe on July 01, 2009, 07:55:23 AM
Can you explain to me how to use? In your videos i see only the roulette but not as you use the software
Thanks
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: cippe on July 02, 2009, 12:28:11 PM
I don't understanmd how you use roulette xtreme. . .  in your video you log the number at the begining (5-10 minutes) but after you play fast. . . .  do you have a video where can i see also how you use RX while you play?
Thanks
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: jerosan on July 03, 2009, 12:51:16 PM
Hello,

It is my first post here.  I would like to say for beginning, a specially great thank for sharing your method.   :thumbsup:
In fact, i try to test it, i use as you said Roulette Xtrem with the "Four Spin to Win" file . dgt.
But i don't know if we must configure something in Roulette Xtrem? Some options maybe?
because when i test it in "Casino Las Vegas" in demo mode, i started with 100 euros with one unit = 1 euro, and i had quickly a big drawdown.
So, maybe the soft is not well configured? Or just unlucky? Should we start with 500 euros?

Thank you for all your efforts, i hope you will make money with your talent!

And sorry for my english. . . .

jerome
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: gregoriovmk2 on July 03, 2009, 06:05:38 PM
Hi RJ.  I managed to get 16k units out of 500 before a great drawdown came (just after 33k spins)  that got me down to 200 units.  I watched the progression and it was crazy at some points where system was putting 1800 units on the table each time for like 6-7 times (none of the spins hit so funds went down so fast).  Now I'm going to test it again , this time progression will end on 8th unit, probably the system wont be so profitable but at least no such huge drawdowns should appear.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: cippe on July 07, 2009, 08:09:46 PM
can you upload a video where can i see how you use roulette xtreme while you play?
Thanks
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: thomasgrant on July 15, 2009, 12:34:58 AM
Interesting method.
I viewed the first video.
You probably could make it place the bets a great deal faster if you used a macro.
Or maybe Tiago could code this into a bot.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Happy Jack on October 08, 2009, 06:21:42 AM
Hi, my apologies for swooping in and making this request, but I'm having trouble downloading the . pdf in the 'Downloads' section.  I'm always met with a '404 file not attached', for whatever file I'm trying to pull. . .

Rjeaton1, I'm well aware of the sheer amount of time / effort you've put into this, and those who've also tested and given you feedback.  I'm not sure what stage it is at - I've read you have put up the . dgt file to track in RXtreme. . . , and that you've managed to set up a bot with Tiago's help, which you've been testing with another system.

Your commitment, enthusiasm and generosity is commendable! I wonder if you could put up a link to this . pdf, or perhaps send me a PM? I am very curious to read more, having sat through you videos and read through your results. 

:)
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: sharp on October 08, 2009, 07:05:45 AM
Hi ,

I made a post about the downloads error in the general forum.  Admin are aware and looking iinto it.

Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Lanky on October 08, 2009, 07:49:33 AM
Hi Happy Jack.

Someone said RJ had been in a car accident.

I also asked this Question in the Mods lounge but no one knows the answer.

However Rj was here every day and has been missing now for some time= Last Active:  21 September 2009.

So there might be a delay in You getting a response from RJ.

Your Friend.

Lanky.

Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Kingspin on October 08, 2009, 08:37:27 AM
Hi i have posted the 4 spins to win pdf for anyone who has trouble locating it.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Happy Jack on October 08, 2009, 09:31:18 AM
Christ, I hope he's okay if that is the case.  I feel like I sort-of know him, having spent the last week or so reading up on this forum. . . thanks Kingspin for putting that up.

As far as the download errors, I wasn't aware it was across the board.  I'm sure people are already on it.

Thanks for replying.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: keel44 on October 09, 2009, 01:50:57 PM
I read every post on this thread about this system.   I even downloaded the pdf file, and for the life of me, I can't understand how you can profit long term when you lose a session of $136.   I must be missing something.   If your playing for four spins, and you win, you start over, right?  If you lose all four, you should be down about $136, right.   How much do you profit for a winning session?  You will need to profit about $30 per winning session to make it worthwhile, right?  I guess I don't get it.   Someone please straighten me out.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: VLSroulette on October 11, 2009, 06:52:57 PM
Hello, can anyone confirm it can be downloaded now?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: jrhelp007 on October 11, 2009, 09:08:11 PM
I tried to download the system and got an error message: No download exists

Please asist

Thanks,

John
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: VLSroulette on October 11, 2009, 10:09:10 PM
Quote from: jrhelp007 on October 11, 2009, 09:08:11 PM
I tried to download the system and got an error message: No download exists

Please asist

Thanks,

John

Hello John,

Please provide the exact link you are using for further examination (in order to discard deletion by the member or fellows from staff).

Downloads should be working by now.

Regards.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: jrhelp007 on October 12, 2009, 12:12:47 PM
I followed the post which stated that to download the system go to:

This System is Now Available for Download Here: hxxp: vlsroulette. com/downloads/?sa=view;id=376

I got the error message, file not found.

John
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: dannyjames1979 on October 27, 2009, 01:35:31 PM
My first day on VLS as a member, i had had a look previously and decided i liked this system so today i downloaded Rxtreme and the 4 spin coding, i went on to golden palace casino and played for real money, (although its not that real as its attached to a sign up bonus so needs some major gambling to release it!!!!) i eas on there less than an hour had 4 chances to bet using £1 as my units, of the four betting opertuniteis all 4 came in for a profit of over £70. with the most laid down was £4 per number.  i dont know the exact ammount i won as i was playing dozens for something to pass the time as i waited for the trigger.
A great sytem and a great site.
Danny James
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Lanky on October 27, 2009, 08:24:51 PM
Hi dannyjames1979.

Welcome to the Forum Mate.

Good Post....nice to hear that You won.

We hope that You enjoy Your stay with us Mate.

Your Friend.

Lanky.  
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: myles on October 28, 2009, 09:51:21 AM
The Download link is not working.  Please advise.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: VLSroulette on October 28, 2009, 10:30:54 AM
Quote from: myles on October 28, 2009, 09:51:21 AM
The Download link is not working.  Please advise.

Hello Myles, thanks for making your first post; may there be more to come.

The attachment should download now.

Regards.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Twocando on October 29, 2009, 07:33:27 AM
Nice reading

Can this be true? What if one work with rule one on the half of the range of numbers.

18 black / 18 red - 18 odd / 18 even - 18 high / 18 low.

If then out of 16 spins only less than 9 appeared. Will the rest show with in the next spins?

if its true then the numbers to play for next 4 spins is less.

What if there was 9 black & high do one go for Red or low?

Does this only work with all the numbers.


The same with streets. 12 of them. How many spins to see if one can wake the sleepers?
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: hermes on November 01, 2009, 12:27:27 AM
What irritates me is that I clicked on the link (page 1) to download the system and it said: download does not exist with saying error?
Is Halloween already here?
Hermes
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Kingspin on November 02, 2009, 05:13:35 PM
hi hermes , if you flick back to page 12 you will see i have posted a pdf for this system.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: hermes on November 02, 2009, 10:00:39 PM
Thanks Kingspin, I enjoy to test your Bingo! It works even on RNG (for fun only).
Finally, I downloaded it without problem.
thomasgrant you look like my previous lawyer. I hope it is not you Schaffer, otherwise I would have to kill you!
Hermes
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: facu_portla on November 20, 2009, 12:51:01 AM
Hi All !,

I've been downloading all the videos and .pdf file as well as the .dgt file but I have a question to make.

Has anybody read "Reply #163" ?? Because I'd like to see a reply for that question which I could not find that anybody has answered.

Thanks!
Nico
x
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: darrynf on January 13, 2011, 05:21:33 PM
I have tried to download your system but it keeps comming up with error.  i am keen to test it
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: foreverBOB on January 13, 2011, 08:27:34 PM
Hi guys,

happy nyear all!!!
system looks nice, but I am wondering if we can put it to live wheel, anyone tried this already or is everybody doing it online?

regards,
bob
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: darrynf on January 13, 2011, 10:31:19 PM
i cant download the system, it come up as no download
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: birdhands on January 13, 2011, 11:12:13 PM
Who is still playing this?
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: darrynf on January 15, 2011, 06:06:27 AM
Quote from: rjeaton1 link=topic=9190. msg68846#msg68846 date=1246416718
Here is the link to the . DGT file: hxxp: vlsroulette. com/downloads/?sa=view;id=384[/ur


hi, i think you have a good system but i can see that it needs improving, my system is very similar and yet different, the problem is you to know whats going to hit (hit number or unhit number) maybe use a patern which will tell you more likely if you are to hit a repeat or a unhit number, thats what my system uses and have not lost any money yet.
I dont think people should be slagging your idea without something to back them up, its not easy coming up with a winning system but its possible, just a lot of work.  end of the day it dosent matter if people think your system dosent work cause it dosent affect your life, I DONT SEE THEM TRYING TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE, i congrats you for putting a lot of effort into it.

if you wanted i could proberly help you but anyway good on you  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: jrhelp007 on January 15, 2011, 11:46:43 PM
I can't locate the Video using the the URL's (WEB ADDRESS) provided. It's no longer there.

Anyone can post the URL's for the videos?

Thanks,

John
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Pedro on February 05, 2011, 03:43:22 AM
Thanks Rjeaton

Very interesting, how is this holding up so far ?.

Pedro.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: schoenpoetser on February 05, 2011, 07:09:49 AM
rjeaton :I did not see the video but I think we use the same basic rules for successful playing I think it is more a strategy than a system.I have also made a DVD 3 years ago but in holland the mods won`t show it on internet.Now I offer live demonstrations on internet with MIKOGO .Interested members can email or pm me for a date.I do not sell anything!!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Last Bet on February 05, 2011, 11:37:19 AM
Where is RJ?? I hope is doing good.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: jrhelp007 on February 13, 2011, 03:19:11 PM
I can't find the description on how to play this system.

Does anyone have the Video's and the system documented and post its URL's.

Thanks, 

John
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: janos on February 22, 2011, 06:56:26 AM
Hi JRhelp007

You can find this system on the page 12 where Kingspin put in pdf.


Hope it is help.
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: roddy321 on February 23, 2011, 02:04:45 AM
this is an old post why do you keep posting things that have been posted before hum hum i wonder lol
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: graham44 on February 24, 2011, 05:24:52 AM
Wouldn;t you be better playing the numbers that have hit in the last 37 spins and using some sort of progression. Always tracking and only playing numbers that have hit in last 37 spins?

What happened to rjeaton no post from him for nearly a year?
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: hermes on February 25, 2011, 02:00:45 PM
rjeaton and RPro are roulette wizards. Their creations are always worth to test.
Hermes
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: jrhelp007 on February 27, 2011, 02:20:39 AM
hermes,

Do you have the Videos? The URL's posted are no longer valid.

Thanks,

John
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: tonynewlife on January 19, 2012, 02:58:08 PM
Has anyone tested this system further?, is it still a winning one?

thanks!
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: mogul397 on February 10, 2012, 10:54:52 AM
I'd like to find this method as well.

Why wasn't the system posted originally? The whole group of first articles
are just descriptions of winning sessions.  That tactic is expressedly prohibited
in the articles of this group.

And never a post of the system????
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Allin on February 11, 2012, 01:36:35 AM
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=382


use Hit and Run approach
set a target per day (may be -50/+30 units), quit once you reach the target.



Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: GGee on June 30, 2017, 12:14:40 PM
Don't wanna dig in old holes but read yesterday this thread and thought would be interesting to see how it does with some "tweaks".

Decent profit in 8mins. As im not allowed to post external links, the video is uploaded on YT with the title "Roulette Session #3 - Rsiking 1021u - Profit 479u".

Greetings
Title: Re: Four Spins to Win System - Played with Real Money at Go Casino - See Inside
Post by: Washington on December 06, 2017, 01:09:41 PM
Hello,
does anyone have a file Four_Spins_to_Win System.dgt ? (RXtreme code)
The link is not working:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=384
my e-mail: washingtonplx  @  gmail  com