hello everyone ,i want to mention some points for some roulette systems and i want some advice too.First of all i want to ask the crucial ,for me ,question:WHEN do you press the spin button?
ok you placed your bets on red or black for example
but when do you press that button and HOW do you know WHEN to press it?
do you have a voice inside your head that says NOW or SPIN or do you bet and quickly with no stop you press it?because most roulette systems dont
ask the when question.they only ask you for example to wait until something happened eg.a column hasnt come for 6 times and then you just bet and quickly spin.and how is that RNG software actually working?
because when i ask myself how do you know where to bet or when to press the spin button i get a picture of a word in my head and a voice that says black or red ,for example.But isnt the result always changing most of the time?that is what i get in my head if i keep asking where to bet and when to spin.the result is mostly changing except for sometimes.and it has a rythm of changing too.so if i have bet on black i go to the spin button and wait
for the picture of the word black in my head getting bigger than the word red.
all this i mention above have to do with NLP(Neuro-linguistic-programming).
so when you ask a question about roulette results you get internal pictures in the head ,voices or sounds and feelings or kinesthetic information.for example i tried doing this :i bet on black and imagining my hand trying to hold the 1 euro
mark with two fingers and waited to spin.when i got a solid touch of it thats when i pressed the spin button and mostly i won.if the touch i got wasnt of solid coin and it was kind of like something transparent and not touchable
like my 2 fingers touched themselves instead of touching the coin then i would not bet and try the other colour .if it happened again with the other coulour as well i would move to the next spin and do it all over again.
i did it for an hour and i got from 20 euros to 150 .
but then comes the question about the RNG software .how is it working ?
if you try visualising results before they happen you will get some interesting information.you will find that there isnt only red or black for example results
but RED OR BLACK OR NONE if not more.havent you ever felt when betting like you are trying to ,like, have to get 2 magnets connect with the same polls.(+ + eg)
it never happens and i find the same happens a lot of times on the internet casinos roulette .that is when some kind of such a software kicks in
and so in the LONG RUN you just keep losing .that is my opinion of course.
so when i reached 150 i felt like i described above for almost ALL spins so i lost the 150 quickly.It was like when i bet on red the result splipped to the other colour and when i bet on black again it slipped to the other colour.
thank you for reading all these if you have read it and mostly i am interested to know what do you think about it and if you have similar experiences .
please tell me about the information you get (visual ,auditory and kinesthetic)before you bet, before you spin and before you actually won.
again thank you very much
i am looking forward to get some replies.

Basically, you're saying that numbers are being produced constantly and if you hit the button at the right time, you will get what your mind imagines.

I thought the RNG only produced when you asked it to.


So it's catch vs produce........

Sam

my understaning of casino rng's is that the numbers are pregenerated well in advance of your next selection so it doesn't matter how long you wait to press the button, the numbers will never change.

So by delaying your bets you must hope to know what the next number is, not when it will be. So you are waiting for your mind to see the next number. When it does, you press the button.

For eveyone using mainstream systems, etc, a quick game is a good game.

The better casinos use a 3rd party rng service that produces the random result whenever the server is asked for it. The timing does influence the outcome. But less than a millisecond is the difference between one outcome and another.

hello again,thanks alot Sam for reading my message and considering and replying to it .what you say is exactly what i mean .so now i am looking for books or other resources like mp3 recordings on how to develop that psychic ability or clairvoyance or esp .if you can think of any particular source for my purpose i would be grateful if you shared it with me .
thank you very much,
Vas

Hello Vas333 welcome to the Forum

I play Real Money RNG's.  As Steve says "The timing does influence the outcome."
From my experience the quicker you can get the bet on the table the better
(there seems to be a difference every 20 seconds).  A session should last no longer than 10 minutes--and play at different online casino brands if possible: Microgaming, Playtech, Vegas Technology, etc.--the longer you play at one brand the "smarter" the RNG gets.

Also look into "one-spin" systems, where no tracking is required to place bets.  (You'll need several per session imo)

I just press whenever. Many times I use autospin so I have no voice inside my head of when to press. It really doesn't matter when since numbers are already produced and just sent when you press the button.

When you push the button is irrelevant.

This is just my personal feelings but if you are playing RNG for real money the answer to the main question....When to press the SPIN button...NEVER   Real money plays on real wheels for me    RNG with cash on the line     JMHO

Sorry...to expand...no I wouldn't test on RNG either...whether the results are consistent or whether they differ between practice play and real money play the bottom line is garbage in...garbage out.  I personally don't trust RNG with real money so why would I test on potentially compromised numbers...to get potentially compromised results?   To many things left up in the air and potentially flawed for me.   Just my opinion

Please send me some of what you had, it sounds fantastic!!!!!!

Hi Vass   this might be a bit long winded
play rgn 99% of time, the 1% westfield stratford, soon to be home of WEST HAM olympic stadium.
Now i play betting shops that reqire a minimum of a pound to spin, if this is the type you play shorely as soon as you've staked a pound says your in draw, so ( soon as in draw is your number there)or is waiting letting numbers go thru.
How do members here know how these machines work as asked global draw and was as if talking to a wall,no help what so ever.
Vass kept records of spins for 3 years and was convinced i was playing the machine , like it learnt who i was, played single dozen like shown on internet by an ex programmer who said wait five one missing guarnteed to come in next eleven spins. worked like clockwork for ages then one day boom went 17 spins, and has kept changing is loosing sequence ever since, now seen up to 27. use to back 24 form zero to 36, and those thirteen numbers not backed gradually increased there winning streak like it learnt whos playing and gave a few wins and then boom the loosing run comes and continually changed, so thru all records in bin thinking machines are crooked.

Now started playing them again for about last four years, would like those old records back, but what i've learnt now still think they know who's playing, as us humans are creatures of habit.

I have 10 spins and see if any repeat. lets say no repeat now my recordings show that on avg the next 30 spins gives 15 numbers and obviously 15 repeats, the biggest lot of numbers in the 30 is 21 with 9 repeats,but avg is 15.so at end of the 40 spins you would have 25 numbers on the mat gone , how long for the remaining 12 numbers to go. Now you need to now how in the next 10 spins how manyrepeats, on avg that 10 gets 3 repeats, the next ten 5 repeats, the next ten 7repeats.That gives our 15 numbers, but as the numbers come remember the repeats differ game to game, but the avg at the 40th spin is 15.

Now if when the machine has paid out i waited like you said, whats happening, next number is there as soon as pound placed or till push the button that is the question, if waiting do you think avg would change or stay same. Now i've been playing this along time and the avg slowly changing as i know how many to let go before betting, so does the machine say nottophammer is playing and the machine says throw a new average to one of the bets and boom a loss. As said does it learn like the chess machine bought out by gary kaspnov the world champion,if the machine lost it remembered the moves and eventually you would not beat it.

So Vass do we really know how that number comes, wait or just play when your ready, regardless of theorys  quoted on here.
Probably not helped you,  but cheers,  nottophammer

RNG machines are programmed to make consistant profits for the owners not the players. Sure some players win, the same as some win on slots/poker machines BUT MOST LOSE.

How fast or slow you press the spin button makes no difference to the results because it doesn't change the internal preset program.

Both types of machines are in the same group = EGM (electronic gaming machines). What this means is that they must return a fixed % IN TOTAL back to the player.

The usual MO is to drip feed the wins back to the players. The human factor is milked very successfully. That is they mostly give back SMALL FISH & the player only wants a BIG FISH. So players keep on FISHING in the hope of a big one will be landed very soon. So as the SMALL FISH eventually adds up to the % return compliance then all the fish disappear along with all your money.

Returns back to players are checked by audit. The statistics they use is over a longer period not short term. Perhaps monthly rather than daily or weekly ?

If you don't believe then look up the gaming control authority regulations that oversees play for the area your machine is registered in.

What a player doesn't usually know is how many other players are on the same machine or program ? Lets say that 100 players are in the game & every number/position is covered many times over. 

It's only logical that a part of the program will assess (at micro second speed) the profit and loss of every number.

While the game may generate random numbers I read that in fact they have strands of random numbers (slots technology) & the best number is SELECTED for a profit.

The strands also make it impossible to predict the next result. This can be found on Google with most info. on how slots work & can consume many hours of research.

So say a few of the numbers will have high payouts then a number with lower payouts will be selected. It is all interactive to the player numbers, bet amounts & moving averages. This way the program can always keep close to the moving average line which complys with the player return % eg 97%.

Sure there will be spikes where some players hit lucky & win big. These machines can LEGALLY cheat you because they are EGMs not randomly spun wheels.

Even airball/auto wheels are EGMs as their results are also manipulated (subtle wheel & ball speed control).

I've been on this forum for a few years & I'm yet to see anyone come on & show they are consistantly winning on RNG roulette ? By consistantly I mean maybe playing 200+ sessions over a year & in good profit = wages/salary type money at least, not peanuts.

I believe the RNG results are manipulated & therefore you can't win long term. That's why I don't play RNG. Many other forum players agree & promote similar views to mine.  Also go to SEARCH on this forum & punch in "CHEATING RNG SOFTWARE". The info. there should make have you rethinking your pro RNG play ?

ausguy,
had 4 sessions today  240 spins, thats 4 games of 60 spins  and 65.00 up days work done in two hours,
always start with .20p as backing in pounds always catch you out, big bets trying to win big,better to have little bets and win, like today.
will post the numbers of the games later and you wont believe the zeros, always say put .20p on zero

Quote from: ausguy on July 04, 2013, 09:46:55 PM
RNG machines are programmed to make consistant profits for the owners not the players. Sure some players win, the same as some win on slots/poker machines BUT MOST LOSE.

How fast or slow you press the spin button makes no difference to the results because it doesn't change the internal preset program.

Both types of machines are in the same group = EGM (electronic gaming machines). What this means is that they must return a fixed % IN TOTAL back to the player.

The usual MO is to drip feed the wins back to the players. The human factor is milked very successfully. That is they mostly give back SMALL FISH & the player only wants a BIG FISH. So players keep on FISHING in the hope of a big one will be landed very soon. So as the SMALL FISH eventually adds up to the % return compliance then all the fish disappear along with all your money.

Returns back to players are checked by audit. The statistics they use is over a longer period not short term. Perhaps monthly rather than daily or weekly ?

If you don't believe then look up the gaming control authority regulations that oversees play for the area your machine is registered in.

What a player doesn't usually know is how many other players are on the same machine or program ? Lets say that 100 players are in the game & every number/position is covered many times over. 

It's only logical that a part of the program will assess (at micro second speed) the profit and loss of every number.

While the game may generate random numbers I read that in fact they have strands of random numbers (slots technology) & the best number is SELECTED for a profit.

The strands also make it impossible to predict the next result. This can be found on Google with most info. on how slots work & can consume many hours of research.

So say a few of the numbers will have high payouts then a number with lower payouts will be selected. It is all interactive to the player numbers, bet amounts & moving averages. This way the program can always keep close to the moving average line which complys with the player return % eg 97%.

Sure there will be spikes where some players hit lucky & win big. These machines can LEGALLY cheat you because they are EGMs not randomly spun wheels.

Even airball/auto wheels are EGMs as their results are also manipulated (subtle wheel & ball speed control).

I've been on this forum for a few years & I'm yet to see anyone come on & show they are consistantly winning on RNG roulette ? By consistantly I mean maybe playing 200+ sessions over a year & in good profit = wages/salary type money at least, not peanuts.

I believe the RNG results are manipulated & therefore you can't win long term. That's why I don't play RNG. Many other forum players agree & promote similar views to mine.  Also go to SEARCH on this forum & punch in "CHEATING RNG SOFTWARE". The info. there should make have you rethinking your pro RNG play ?

AUSGUY got it right this time LOL.
We know RNG is programed, the R tells us this. Machine does not know who to payout as its random, like you say pays out its percentage, when, day, twodays, week, month, who knows, who cares.
If you record your games on rng  you get an average to work with as kimo says you'll have to do some work yourselves.
AUS  the guy wanted to know when to press the spin button, and your good on spin LOL when should he pess the button

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