I'm so f*king mad >:(

[Proofreaders2000]

Just a myth. huh.  I found the 18 spin rule applies to Microgaming and Rival name brand casinos.  Vegas Technology and Real Time Gaming I've learned it basically stops winning after spin 54, regardless of what system you use.  I don't have access to Playtech being an American resident, but there it is in black and white.

[Number Six]

That is such a crock. Why do these casinos need to cheat people? Really, their RNGs are programmed to payout between say 97% and 98.2% of all monies wagered on them over the month. It's a no-lose situation for the casino. If the payout drops too low, it adjusts to pay out more. If the payout rises too high, it adjusts to pay out less. If you're unlucky enough to be playing when the payout is too high, you're going to get caned. It's that simple. Some probably cheat by purposefully paying out less or having pattern recognition software but these are rogue operations and they always get caught and shut down by the authorities. Just don't play at any casinos under dodgy jurisdiction like Costa Rica or North Korea (lol), stick to the big reputable names and you can be ASSURED of a fair game. There is no conspiracy against the player.

[rss]

Am i seeing well?  Fair Play and RNG in the same paragraph. and to rub salt.. ASSURED?!

[Herb]

Three days ago I managed to take my BR of $20 to $120...then I did something stupid and started to bet on sleeping D/C with progession of $0.10 chips...and blew my BR to pitty $20...managed to climb to $40 again...but then a strange losing streak came by and started losing like crazy.
I tried stopping and then coming back later but it only went worse and keep hitting losing numbers...seriously, wtf?

I was using Lw's method and I really wonder what the hell happened.

Sorry for making you read this, just wanted to rant and express my anger at this bad run.  Now I'm at 0 =/ ffs...I'm not saying the Lw method is losing, but sometimes it's just so damn hard to win, I once were like 3 hours going up and down and ended up in the same starting BR...guess there's still some more learning to do.  Any suggestions?

Gabe,

The problem is not your lack of discipline. It's your system, and the nature of randomness.

All the discipline in the world combined with a "hit and run strategy" or "exit points" can't turn a losing system into a winning won. 

Regards,

Herb                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            /.\

[Number Six]

Am I seeing well?  Fair Play and RNG in the same paragraph. and to rub salt.. ASSURED?!

Are you really so naive?

I take it you're an RNG persistent loser? And that's why you think they're fixed.

[Just_Gabe]

Gabe,
The problem is not your lack of discipline. It's your system, and the nature of randomness.

All the discipline in the world combined with a "hit and run strategy" or "exit points" can't turn a losing system into a winning won. 

Regards,

Herb                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            /.\

So, you suggest changing system? isn't the Lw method one of the few ways to win in a more consistent basis in roulette? how did Lanky and Victor managed to win so much with it?  Do you win consistently with other methods?

I'm all ears.

@Number six: so, basicly the RNG are fair overall just as long as I'm playing with the payout is less in the overall range??? I find it really strange and at the same time amazing..I've seen losing strikes to obscene levels, and suddenly winning strikes to the point of evening out.  Is it because what you said about the range of payout? 

I'm still beginning to think that play at live roulette is safer...any thought? anyone here are RNG's only? or live table only? or both?

Thx for your help!

[Herb]

So, you suggest changing system?

If you want to win long term, then you'll have to change.  If you're just out for some occasional fun, don't worry about it.

isn't the Lw method one of the few ways to win in a more consistent basis in roulette?

I'm not knocking the system.   It's fun to mess around with it, but it's not going to win in the long run.  Rpro75 confused several people when he claimed this was a consistent winner. 

how did Lanky and Victor managed to win so much with it? 

Luck






Regards,

Herb                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        /.\

[Mr Chips]

how did Lanky and Victor managed to win so much with it

According to Herb "luck" is the reason why someone can make long term profits. You can assume then, any system that wins in the
long term under 1 billion spins is just lucky and you can draw your own conclusions, as to the use of the word luck in such circumstances!
 
Mr Chips

[Lanky]

 
According to Herb "luck" is the reason why someone can make long term profits. You can assume then, any system that wins in the
long term under 1 billion spins is just lucky and you can draw your own conclusions, as to the use of the word luck in such circumstances!
 
Mr Chips

Yes Mr Chips.

Herbs cry is My way and no other Way.

Been playin the LW method also. I also went after the missing colums, as I was playin I noticed that D3 had not showed for 15 spins. Figuring that was way over normal, I started to bet it doubling up as I went. IT WENT ANOTHER 22 SPINS BEFORE HITTING.

Well I thought I was Lucky when I hit the LD 25 out of 29 spins one time back in April 2007.

But that pales in comparison when You can see from the above Quote where the LC hit =Betting Columns 1 & 2.
Hit at least 34 times in a Row.

Just like the Day when I met Moccoman at the Casino when the 3rd dozen missed 22 spins in a row and hit on the 23rd spin.
That's at least 20 W's in a row Lucky I got a few that day as well.

And every Time I played Roulette with Natural9.
I got lucky every single time....
Gees I even taught Rodney how to get Lucky.
As I never saw Him lose either when We played together.

Lanky.

[Just_Gabe]

If you want to win long term, then you'll have to change.  If you're just out for some occasional fun, don't worry about it.

While I want to have fun, my priority is to make profit in a consistent basis.  So, what other systems are there that you consider to make good winnings?

And what are your thoughts of this Lanky? do you really think it was pure luck that helped you and Victor win with the Lw method? 
Do you suggest to change methods or keep studying and making some tweaks?

Any help is appreciated, thanks.

[rss]

Are you really so naive?

I take it you're an RNG persistent loser? And that's why you think they're fixed.

Hi Number six, I am not an Rng persistent loser, cos i dont play online. I dont even have an opinion if they are fixed or not. But , judging by what you said, you are contradicting yourself, and thats what i am was refering to.

YOu say: ' stick to the big reputable names and you can be ASSURED of a fair game. There is no conspiracy against the player. '

Yet just before it you wrote: 'It's a no-lose situation for the casino. If the payout drops too low, it adjusts to pay out more. If the payout rises too high, it adjusts to pay out less. If you're unlucky enough to be playing when the payout is too high, you're going to get caned. It's that simple.'

So, If what u are saying is true,and Rng are programmed to payout between say 97% and 98.2% of all monies wagered on them over the month, than that makes the whole thing fixed in my book.

[goldfinger]

Are you really so naive?

I take it you're an RNG persistent loser? And that's why you think they're fixed.

Number Six: I have tried both online RNG and live wheel games and I have noticed that when I am using a system, the online game seems to pick up on it every time(and very quickly when I am winning).  In the live game luck comes and goes but the system remains valid the entire time of play.

My conclusion is that you cannot win online long term but very short term only.

[Number Six]

Hi Number six, I am not an Rng persistent loser, cos I dont play online. I dont even have an opinion if they are fixed or not. But , judging by what you said, you are contradicting yourself, and thats what I am was refering to.

YOu say: ' stick to the big reputable names and you can be ASSURED of a fair game. There is no conspiracy against the player. '

Yet just before it you wrote: 'It's a no-lose situation for the casino. If the payout drops too low, it adjusts to pay out more. If the payout rises too high, it adjusts to pay out less. If you're unlucky enough to be playing when the payout is too high, you're going to get caned. It's that simple.'

So, If what u are saying is true,and Rng are programmed to payout between say 97% and 98.2% of all monies wagered on them over the month, than that makes the whole thing fixed in my book.

It's an oxymoron, not a contradiction. What I mean by assured of a fair game is that no serious enterprise such as a big UK sportsbook is going to risk their whole operation to cheat a few punters by having, say, pattern recognition software built into their RNGs. They are audited on a regular basis and if their payouts are crooked, the entire business is closed down. By default the RNG has the vig programmed into it, which means that although the game is fair (the numbers aren't cooked to make you lose), you can never win. It's exactly the same with real wheels. Of course, this is all with systems in mind. That is just how it works. A lot of people say RNGs are fixed, purely because they have lost when 18 reds appeared or 7 hit six times in a row. It's nonsense. No one has any valid proof to back up this ongoing saga. Someone show me evidence that bet365 cheats, then I will retract everything.

[Proofreaders2000]

@ Just Gabe, If you try a "Live" wheel, so far the only reputable one I can find is Dublinbet.  There are a few others, but beware, RNG's are more honest.

[vix]

If you try a "Live" wheel, so far the only reputable one I can find is Dublinbet.  There are a few others, but beware, RNG's are more honest.

Proofreaders, I'm curious, what is this based on?

Regards,
Vix

[vix]

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