I'm so f*king mad >:(

[Just_Gabe]

Same question as vix.  There should be other casinos deemed as having honest live roulette other than dublinbet.

[Marven]

Of course, this is all with systems in mind. That is just how it works. A lot of people say RNGs are fixed, purely because they have lost when 18 reds appeared or 7 hit six times in a row. It's nonsense. No one has any valid proof to back up this ongoing saga. Someone show me evidence that bet365 cheats, then I will retract everything.

Agreed.

Funny how most people will come up with the most sophisticated conspiracy theories and not simply admit that mechanical systems cannot beat the game's unfair payout system (i.e. -2.7%).

Regards,
Marven

[rjeaton1]

Number Six: I have tried both online RNG and live wheel games and I have noticed that when I am using a system, the online game seems to pick up on it every time(and very quickly when I am winning).  In the live game luck comes and goes but the system remains valid the entire time of play.

My conclusion is that you cannot win online long term but very short term only.

I have posted something similar to what I'm about to say somewhere else, but I cannot find the post.  So, I'll re-type it...

I am of the opinion that RNG's are just as fair (as long as they are from PlayTech, MicroGaming, Vegas Technology...etc, not a Rogue Casino) as a live wheel.

I think the biggest reason people think that RNG's are rigged, is because they lose more often with an RNG than a Live Wheel.  I believe that is true.  I'll say that again, I believe MORE people lose to RNG's than live wheels.

But, I DO NOT think it is because they are rigged.  I'll explain.

How many systems do we test and find to work fairly well for 100 spins? 200 spins? 300 spins?  A lot I'd say.  Then we find that they tank.  Some of the better systems may stand the test of 1,000 or even 5,000 spins before tanking.

Now, let's look at something that most people seem to completely forget about while playing at an RNG and then saying it is rigged.....

SPINS PER HOUR

At a live wheel you're looking at a MAX of MAYBE 40 spins an hour.  So lets say you take that system you've tested in RXtreme that worked for 500 spins and you go and play it at a live wheel for 5 days straight, one hour a day.  That's 40 spins a day, 5 days = 200 spins of the wheel.

You've walked away a winner every day.  You're thrilled, you think you've found the HG.  (I know this feeling as I did it myself at Mohegan Sun...my story ends the same as this explanation will)

So, you're excited and you're thinking, "well, my system is great, has it's ups and downs, but I've always walked away a winner.  Why bother going to the casino when I can do this from home online?"

So, you sign up at an online casino (In my case it was Vegas Technology).  Now, at Vegas Technology you can do upwards of 3,000 spins an hour.  But for this example let's take one of the slower online casinos like BetVoyager.

At BetVoyager you're looking at about 400 to 500 spins an hour if your bet layout isn't complicated and you can place bets quickly.

You now take that same system that worked for you 5 days in a row at a live casino and start playing.  But guess what?  You only played 200 spins at the live casino over the course of those 5 days.  You're about to BURN THROUGH those same 200 spins in a HALF AN HOUR!

So you're left with what?  You're system working for maybe the first twenty to thirty minutes and then going down in flames and you're thinking "this thing has some kind of pattern recognition built into it" or "there is somebody on the other end of this computer personally watching me play and win, and they decided that I've won enough" or something else.

But all that has really happened is the house edge caught up to you. 

If you guys want an accurate comparison when saying "my system works in a live casino but not online" you absolutely HAVE TO compare SPINS PER HOUR not HOURS PLAYED.  They aren't the same.

RNG's aren't rigged.  They just allow for faster play.

[rjeaton1]

Three days ago I managed to take my BR of $20 to $120...then I did something stupid and started to bet on sleeping D/C with progession of $0.10 chips...and blew my BR to pitty $20...managed to climb to $40 again...but then a strange losing streak came by and started losing like crazy.
I tried stopping and then coming back later but it only went worse and keep hitting losing numbers...seriously, wtf?

I was using Lw's method and I really wonder what the hell happened.

Sorry for making you read this, just wanted to rant and express my anger at this bad run.  Now I'm at 0 =/ ffs...I'm not saying the Lw method is losing, but sometimes it's just so damn hard to win, I once were like 3 hours going up and down and ended up in the same starting BR...guess there's still some more learning to do.  Any suggestions?

Sorry about that rant above Gabe, I just want to say sorry about your loss.  That always s*cks....  I hope it to be your last.

[Spike]

RNG's aren't rigged.  They just allow for faster play.>>

This would be true if you were playing an RNG. You're not, you're playing a software program. I know this for a fact because I have a consistantly winning system on the EC's and when I play an online casino, it works just like it always does on about the first 30 bets, they it stops working entirely. The computer caught on that I was winning more than losing and it went to a program that is designed to beat me. I can beat RX all day long, I can't last 10min with an online casino. Believe it, don't believe it, its your money. You're problem is, you have nothing reliable to test against. I do.

Don't ask me what my system is, I'm the only one who knows and I'll keep it that way. Don't tell me I'm full of crap, unless you want to sound like the 10,000 posters who have already said it. Yawn.

[bombus]

I can beat RX all day long...

@ Spike.

Do you beat RX with the programs generated numbers, or with imported numbers from say random.org, etc?

[Mr J]

"you're playing a software program. I know this for a fact because I have a consistantly winning system on the EC's and when I play an online casino, it works just like it always does on about the first 30 bets, they it stops working entirely." >>> True. I gave up repeating this info over and over.  Ken

[[Charles'Minion]jokesonyou123]

To my point- Why wouldnt you sell a system?

Just think about it for one second.  If you were the only one who knew a system to beat roulette you could surely stay so far under the radar because casino management wouldnt have to worry about winners and wouldn't even notice you.

So if you sell this system like a total idiot then more and more people are going to be using it and casino management can notice much easier when they look at their profits going down.

Selling a winning system (which there aren't any to date) would be like risking an unlimited supply of money (all the casinos) for a "few extra bucks"

Yeah, I'm sure your making MILLIONS and wanting to make a "few extra bucks"

[Marven]

This would be true if you were playing an RNG. You're not, you're playing a software program.

EXACTLY. The difference between both should be acknowledged.

If one is a mechanical system player, then forget it. He wouldn't win consistently from anywhere.

But if one can beat a random number generator (computer RNG, TRNG, actual wheel, etc.) it doesn't mean he can beat online casino RNG's.
In fact, all consistent winners I know couldn't win consistently from online casino software RNG's (and I'm not saying they couldn't win, I'm saying they couldn't win consistently). Coincidence?

Here is why big casino names wouldn't be afraid to do that: Because no body can prove it.
If they're doing it then they must be 100% sure no body can prove they are.

You can't prove they're not cheating, but you can prove (to yourself) that they are (just as Spike did), so why take the risk?

Selling a winning system (which there aren't any to date) would be like risking an unlimited supply of money (all the casinos) for a "few extra bucks"

Yeah, I'm sure your making MILLIONS and wanting to make a "few extra bucks"

And that is why I find the idea of buying a roulette system to be the most naive and uninformed thing a roulette player can do.
Whenever I hear about someone paying cash for a roulette system, I instantly conclude they have a long, long way to go.

[Spike]

I beat the generated numbers on RX.

[ZigZag]

I play the LW's at Bet365 on both the live wheel and RNG.  When I go down a few units on the live wheel transfer onto the RNG and grind it all back with the faster spins.  So far won my money back everytime.  I try not to stay on for longer than 50 spins.  Just observation regarding the live dealers. . . I notice as sort of a party trick that 80% of the time hit zero neighbours on there last spin.  I'm so sure that these girls can hit any sector they wish.  They don't have to spin from last winning number on that wheel 

[Number Six]

RNG's aren't rigged.  They just allow for faster play.>>

This would be true if you were playing an RNG. You're not, you're playing a software program. I know this for a fact because I have a consistantly winning system on the EC's and when I play an online casino, it works just like it always does on about the first 30 bets, they it stops working entirely. The computer caught on that I was winning more than losing and it went to a program that is designed to beat me. I can beat RX all day long, I can't last 10min with an online casino. Believe it, don't believe it, its your money. You're problem is, you have nothing reliable to test against. I do.

Don't ask me what my system is, I'm the only one who knows and I'll keep it that way. Don't tell me I'm full of crap, unless you want to sound like the 10,000 posters who have already said it. Yawn.

Your personal experiences of RNGs prove absolutely nothing. You have no facts. This is the problem. People say things and none of it can be backed up with anything other than a conspiracy theory. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of online casinos or PRNGs. My experiences of them are pretty much the same as everyone else's. I once had great fortune for about 5 months playing a PRNG, but it abruptly ended and I never won a single session again (I consider that winning streak miraculous). Conversely I have witnessed someone win £10,000 on a Playtech RNG in a few hours. He was betting the same 2 numbers on every spin with no progression. If the RNG was rigged, there is simply no way anyone could win that kind of money in one night. I think some are fair and I know others are crooked. That is my opinion based on what I've seen and experienced. If the total payouts are consistently at or around 97.3%, month after month, and this is verified by third-party auditors, how can you prove with concrete FACTS that an online RNG is rigged?

[Just_Gabe]

Ok guys, lets assume that RNG's from online softwares being rigged is an irrefutable truth.  If that were the case, what do you think would be the best strategy/method/whatever to get around this and keep winning at roulette on RNG?

I'm specially interested in Spike's reply, how do you manage to keep winning? do you bet only 30 times and then wait an certain ammount of time? do you play many casinos one after another?

[vrucajanjetina]

Did you share the system somewhere?

[Marven]

It's not a system. Spike uses educated guessing based on many years of experience with EC's.

[Marven]

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