Has anyone checked out the Streaks System.

[bikemotorman]

I have been playing a system for practice and it seems to work well, it was thought up by a craps player, it seems to work all the time very slowly builds up money.

The system is called Streaks, I use it with a Fibonacci progression as in 5 10 15 25 40 65 and so on.
Here is how it works below.
I think it would work in the real casino on black and red.
IT WAS THOUGHT UP BY A CRAPS PLAYER, SO IT COMES FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW.

Streaks

I win over and over playing this way. Please look it over.
I'm looking for your comments good or bad. Please post or e-mail them to me.
Have I developed THE winning system { the one that overcomes the odds ad puts the odds in the players favor } or have I just been getting lucky?
SYSTEM:

STREAKS -  
Streaks of P and DP happening in a row, odds for each streak to continue are 50% less than the last streak.
EXAMPLE :  
[ all examples will only go to a level of ten - P or DP occurring in a row - the math is the same no matter how far or near I take it - IT can not change ]  
10 in a row - will occur __1 time  
09 in a row - will occur __2 times  
08 in a row - will occur __4 times  
07 in a row - will occur __8 times  
06 in a row - will occur _16 times  
05 in a row - will occur _32 times  
04 in a row - will occur _64 times  
03 in a row - will occur 128 times  
02 in a row - will occur 256 times  
01 in a row - will occur 512 times  
Streaks of P and DP - 2036 total decisions  
50% will be P and 50% will be DP.  
Doubling your bet after a loss.  
No matter where you end your doubling a bet after a loss you will lose.
EXAMPLE :
[ ending the doubling and taking a loss at 5 losing wagers in a row ]  
Wagers  
01 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -1 unit then wager  
02 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -3 units then wager  
04 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -7 units then wager  
08 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -15 units then wager  
16 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -31 units  
END  
So playing the OPPOSITE of the prior decision, this is what will happen:  
All streaks of  
01 in a row-plus 1 unit  
02 in a row-plus 1 unit  
03 in a row-plus 1 unit  
04 in a row-plus 1 unit  
05 in a row minus 31 units  
06 in a row minus 31 units  
07 in a row minus 31 units  
08 in a row minus 31 units  
09 in a row minus 31 units  
10 in a row minus 31 units  
What happens when we look at the amount of streaks we will get when we play.  
__1 streak of 10 in a row = minus _31 units 1x-31  
__2 streaks of 9 in a row = minus _62 units 2x-31  
__4 streaks of 8 in a row = minus 124 units 4x-  
__8 streaks of 7 in a row = minus 248 units 8x-31  
_16 streaks of 6 in a row = minus 496 units 16x-31  
_32 streaks of 5 in a row = minus 992 units 32x-31  
_64 streaks of 4 in a row = plus ___64 units 64x 1  
128 streaks of 3 in a row = plus __128 units 128x 1  
256 streaks of 2 in a row = plus __256 units 256x 1  
512 streaks of 1 in a row = plus __512 units 512x 1  
for a total of plus 960 units minus - 1953 units = minus - 993 units  
As you can see betting on the opposite decision [ P / DP ] and doubling each losing wager until you win WILL lose you money.  
Playing BOTH sides P and DP at the same time.  
Play both sides at the same time increasing the wager on the side of P / DP that you have just lost a wager on and using the side that you won a wager on as a BACK UP BET.  
HOW:  
   Start by placing 1 unit on P AND DP [at the same time] then which ever side WINS place a wager of one unit and on the side that LOST place a wager of 2 units.  
   If the side with 2 units wins your ahead 1 unit then place 1 unit on the winning side and go up to 2 units on the side that lost, the one that only had 1 unit on it.  
   If the side that had 2 units on it lost keep only 1 unit on the winning side but increase your wager on the losing side up to 3 units.  
   If the side that has the 3 units on it wins and the side with 1 unit loses you are ahead 1 unit, so place 1 unit on the side that won and 2 units on the side that lost.  
   If the side with 3 units on it loses and the side with 1 unit wins keep one unit on the side that won and increase your wager on the losing side up to 5 units.  
   If the side with 5 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on the winning side and increase the losing side up to 2 units.  
   If the side with 5 units on it loses keep 1 unit on the side that won and increase your wager up to 9 units on the losing side.  
   If the side with 9 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on that winning side and increase the unit on the losing side up to 2 units.  
   If the side with 9 units loses we STOP HERE AND TAKE OUR LOSS! We are only down 15 units NOT 31 units like we would be after 5 losses in a row if we were only playing ONE SIDE [ P or DP ] and doubling our wager after each loss.  
WE ARE DOWN LESS THAN 50% of what we could be, talk about minimizing losses.
EXAMPLE: P wins then DP wins  
__P____DP__  
__1____1___ wager/ P wins DP loss= even  
__1____2___ wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 1 unit  
EXAMPLE: P wins P wins DP wins  
__P____DP__  
__1____1___ wager/ P wins DP lost= even  
__1____2___ wager/ P wind DP lost= minus 1 unit  
__1____3___wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 1 unit  
EXAMPLE: P wins P wins P wins DP wins  
__P____DP__  
__1____1___ wager/ P wins DP lost= even  
__1____2___ wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 1 unit  
__1____3___ wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 3 units  
__1____5___wager/ P lost DP wins = plus 1 unit  
EXAMPLE: P wins P wins P wins P wins DP wins  
__P____DP___  
__1____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= even  
__1____2____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 1 unit  
__1____3____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 3 units  
__1____5____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 7 units  
__1____9____wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 1 unit  
EXAMPLE: P wins P wins P wins P wins P wins [ followed by a P or DP it will not make a difference -this is where we end our losing streak]  
__P____DP___  
__1____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= even  
__1____2____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 1 unit  
__1____3____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 3 units  
__1____5____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 7 units  
__1____9____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 15 units  
END  
EXAMPLE: P wins DP wins DP wins P wins P wins P wins DP wins P wins P wins DP wins.  
P-DP-DP-P-P-P-DP-P-P-DP  
********************************  
__P____DP___  
__1____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= even  
__1____2____wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 1 unit  
__2____1____wager/ P lost DP wins= even  
__3____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= plus 2 units  
__1____2____wager/ P wins DP lost= plus 1 unit  
__1____3____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 1 unit  
__1____5____wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 3 units  
__2____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= plus 4 units  
__1____2____wager/ P wins DP lost= plus 3 units  
__1____3____wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 5 units  
Playing this way seems to work for every streak of P or DP 1-2-3 or 4 in a row your ahead 1 unit and for every streak of 5 or more you are down 15 units.  
Let us look at what will happen in the long term [run] . When we look at the amount of streaks we will get.  
Streaks of P and DP :  
01 in a row = plus 1 unit  
02 in a row = plus 1 unit  
03 in a row = plus 1 unit  
04 in a row = plus 1 unit  
05 in a row = minus 15 units  
06 in a row = minus 15 units  
07 in a row = minus 15 units  
08 in a row = minus 15 units  
09 in a row = minus 15 units  
10 in a row = minus 15 units  
amount of streaks 50% P and 50% DP  
Streaks of - in a row  
01__512 ----- plus 512  
02__256 ----- plus 256  
03__128 ----- plus 128  
04___64 ----- plus 64  
total for streaks 1-4 = plus 960 units  
******************************************  
05__32 ----- 32 x minus 15 units = minus 480  
06__16 ----- 16 x minus 15 units = minus 240  
07___8 ----- 8 x minus 15 units = minus 120  
08___4 ----- 4 x minus 15 units = minus 60  
09___2 ----- 2 x minus 15 units = minus 30  
10___1 ----- 1 x minus 15 units = minus 15  
total for streaks 5-10 = minus 945 units  
*************************************************  
Grand total plus 960 units - minus 945 units = plus 15 units  
That seems like a lot of work just for 15 units not to talk about the time that would take, but think about this will you really bust at 15 units every time? Will the method of play really go like this win 15 units then lose 15 units lose 15 units win 15 units and break even. NO. When you bust 15 units you have to ADD the amount of units you won to get the TRUE amount of the bust. Say you won 12 units and then bust 15 units your TRUE bust is only 3 units or say you won 22 units and then bust 15 units your TRUE bust is really a win of 7 units.  
   So in a 50/50 game [ craps ] you have to look at what the average is in the long run and that is your average bust WILL only be 7 1/2 [ 8 ] units playing this way and your average win will be 7 1/2 [ 8 ] units. Now the great part.  
Play what is called a 2-1-2-1 bankroll money management strategy along with what I have just shown you and you can not lose
A 2-1-2-1 strategy is easy what you do is break ALL your play into segments and win or lose you leave after a segment and take a break and return later to start another segment.
But here is how you play each segment.  
Bankroll required  
You need 30 units- each unit MUST be at least the table minimum bet [ example; at a $ 1.00 table you need $ 30.00 at a $ 5.00 table you need $150.00 ] per segment to be played also you NEED to be able to play AT LEAST 3 segments  
Start segment one by playing the 1-2-3-5-9-unit progression with DOUBLE the wager progression. Play 2-4-6-10-18 with 2 units on the other side as your back-up wager. Play this way until you win 30 units or bust [ your average bust will be 50 % of segment money- 15 units ] .IF YOU WIN 30 UNITS: walk away and take a break or find another table to play at.
When you return to play this time [ your 2nd segment ] Play 1-2-3-5-9 unit progression with 1 unit as your back-up wager. IF YOU BUST : start over playing 2-4-6- 10-18 unit progression with a 2 unit back-up wager again.
EVERY TIME YOU BUST START OVER WITH THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH THE 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
EVERY TIME YOU WIN 15 UNITS ON YOUR 2ND SEGMENT START OVER PLAYING THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH A 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
So when you are playing the 2-4-6-10-18 progression your average bust will be 15 units and when you play the 1-2-3-5-9 progression your average bust will be 8 units.
LETS SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN PLAYING THIS WAY  
Over ANY two segments you can either,
win and win
win and lose
lose and win
lose and lose  
win and win = plus 45 units [ 30 and 15 ]  
win and lose = plus 22 units [ 30 and -8 avg. ]  
lose and lose = minus 30 units [ -15 avg. and -15 avg. ]  
lose and win = plus 15 units [ -15 avg. and 30 ]  
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE LONG TERM [ RUN]  
Wins AND losses in a row :
[ a 50/50 game ]  
EXPECTED WINS IN A ROW [ sample only to 5 ]  
1. 16 W-L [ 30 - 8 avg. = 22 ]  
2. 8 W-W-L [ 30/15 - 15 avg. = 30 ]  
3. 4 W-W W-L [ 30/15/30 - 8 avg. = 67 ]  
4. 2 W-W-W-W-L [ 30/15/30/15 - 15 avg. = 75 ]  
5. 1 W-W-W-W-W-L [ 30/15/30/15/30 - 8 avg. = 112 ]  
1. 16 x 22 = 352  
2. 8 x 30 = 240  
3. 4 x 67 = 268  
4. 2 x 75 = 150  
5. 1 x 112 = 112  
total = 1122  
EXPECTED LOSS IN A ROW [ sample only to 5 ]  
1. 16 L-W [ -15 avg. and plus 30 = 15 ]  
2. 8 L-L-W [ -15 / -15 avg. and plus 30 = 0 ]  
3. 4 L-L-L-W [ -15 / -15 / -15 avg. and plus 30 = - 15 ]  
4. 2 L-L-L-L-W [ -15 / -15 / -15 / -15 avg. and plus 30 = - 30 ]  
5. 1 L-L-L-L-L-W [ -15 / -15 / -15 / -15 / -15 avg. and plus 30 = - 45  
1. 16 x 15 = 240  
2. 8 x 0 = 0  
3. 4 x -15 = -60  
4. 2 x -30 = -60  
5. 1 x -45 = -45  
total = 75 [ plus 240 - 0 - 60 - 60 - 45 = plus 75  
So if what is expected to happen happens and it will [ over the long run with little variation swings in the short run ] YOU CAN NOT LOSE  
P.S. about the bar  
When playing this way the bar will have just a slight influence on your play. When the pass line has a higher wager on it when the bar is rolled on the come out treat it as a lose and increase your wager following the rules and when you win on the pass line you will BREAK EVEN not win 1 unit.  
BUT if when the bar was rolled on the come out roll and you had a higher wager on it and did not get paid for the don't pass win just REPEAT the wagers on the pass and don't pass line and when you win on the don't pass line you will also break even.

[lucky_strike]

bikemotorman

Grand total plus 960 units - minus 945 units = plus 15 units

This is a friendly suggestion
Turnaround.
Don´t play this way.
But thats only my humble opinion  :-/

When i see the amount you are wagering and the progression, i say to my self that this is scary stuff.

Happy winnings

Cheers LS

[bikemotorman]

Hi I use a Fibonacci progression for this system I start at 5 dollars then go to 10 15 25 40 65 and thats how it goes,
I do not use the authors progression, with the FIBONACCI you only need to win twice to show a small profit.
I know a guy who plays this way and is a consistent winner, but there is some risk having ten RED IN A ROW, OR BLACK IN A ROW.
That would make me very nervous.

Stuart    

[lucky_strike]

I know a guy who plays this way and is a consistent winner

I can use Martingale for 4 years and win 500.000 trails then it fails and the same thing goes for your post.

That is the truth.

Cheers LS

[bikemotorman]

So what would you suggest and how to play, would you play the dozens, I am just looking for ideas, I thought the Fibonacci was not really a martingale, I am all ears how do you play and what is your system.
I have been looking for Lankys system and still have not found it, I have found some pieces but no method so to speak.
Maybe you can suggest a easy to use system.
There is a saying in craps dont be afraid to go all the way, dont play scared, yes you could lose it all THAT IS WHY THEY CALL IT GAMBLING YOU WIN OR LOSE, I think one can win most of the time if you play smart.

Stuart

[TwoCatSam]

Are you saying this:

Start by placing 1 unit on P AND DP [at the same time] then ROLL which ever side WINS place a wager of one unit and on the side that LOST place a wager of 2 units.  ROLL
   If the side with 2 units wins your ahead 1 unit then place 1 unit on the winning side and go up to 2 units on the side that lost, the one that only had 1 unit on it.  ROLL
   If the side that had 2 units on it lost keep only 1 unit on the winning side but increase your wager on the losing side up to 3 units.  ROLL
   If the side that has the 3 units on it wins and the side with 1 unit loses you are ahead 1 unit, so place 1 unit on the side that won and 2 units on the side that lost.  ROLL
   If the side with 3 units on it loses and the side with 1 unit wins keep one unit on the side that won and increase your wager on the losing side up to 5 units.  ROLL
   If the side with 5 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on the winning side and increase the losing side up to 2 units.  ROLL
   If the side with 5 units on it loses keep 1 unit on the side that won and increase your wager up to 9 units on the losing side. ROLL
   If the side with 9 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on that winning side and increase the unit on the losing side up to 2 units.  ROLL


....and so on?  This may sound like an obvious question you can just say "yes" to.  Humor me and I'll go away!  LOL

Sam

[bikemotorman]

HI TWOCATSAM,

WHAT WAS THE QUESTION, I AM NO EXPERT ON THIS METHOD, BUT IT SEEMS TO WORK, I WILL TRY IT ON JBET.COM
AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS, AS I SAID IN MY OTHER POSTS I FOUND THIS METHOD ON A CRAPS FORUM HERE IN THE STATES.

STUART

[TwoCatSam]

...sorry ol' Bean

See where I put the ROLL?  Is the dealer rolling then?

Probably a dumb question, but I've asked 'em before!

TCS

[bikemotorman]

Hi TWOCATSAM,

yes the roll part is for craps, the spin part is for Roulette lol.

I dont think it is a bad system its just if you go ten reds, or ten blacks, you start to bet some serious money
like you start at 5 10 15 25 40 65 105 170, it can get a little scary, but not as scary as Martingale.
In craps you may have to wait 6 rolls for a win or loss on the dont pass so you will not burn up as much money in craps as fast as roulette, but who says you have to bet every spin.

Stuart

[TwoCatSam]

Stuart

Sort of a "Leapfrog Martingale".  Somebody's gotta win, right?  Might work fairly well on craps or Baccarat since there is no zero to wipe you out from time to time.

My wife is a crap shooter and I will get her interested in this.

Thanks a heap.  (Well, not a whole heap,  but such a small part shy one wouldn't notice!)

Samster

[bikemotorman]

HERE IS THE ARTICLE ON THE FIBONACCI.


This is a somewhat advanced system but once you get used to it, you'll see that it almost always wins if you stick to the rules and don't make any other bets.

Fibonacci is a mathematical term that  means that you have a number series where the total of each two consecutive numbers is larger than all of the preceding numbers.

For example, a simple Fibonacci series would be 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13. As you can see, 13 + 8 (21) is more than 1 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 5 (12). Also 5 + 8 (13) is more than 1 + 1 + 2 + 3 (7).

Another attribute to this series is that the next number would be the sum of the two previous numbers.

For example 13 is the sum of 8 +5. Also the next number after 13 would be 13 + 8 or 21.

This mathematical series can be very profitable to a crapshooter. You can bet flat bets on the pass, don't pass, come or don't come. If you win any two consecutive bets, no matter where you are on the progression you will make money.

And, if you win any two out three bets, you will also have a profit if you stick to the progression.

The progression you must bet is, of course, the Fibonacci series.

You will bet multiples of 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, etc.

With the exception of the first two bets, your new wager is always the sum of your prior two bets, so you don't have memorize anything.

Let's look at some examples. For all of these we will assume $1 unit bets.

You start betting, first $1 on the pass line, lose, and bet another $1. Now once the first two bets are established, the next bet is always the total of the two previous bets, so you bet $2, which you lose also.

The next bet is $3 ($2 + $1) which you lose. 3 +2 is 5 so your fifth bet is $5, easy to remember, but you lose that one also.

Now your sixth bet is $5 plus $3 or $8 which you win. Your seventh bet is $8 + $5 or $13 which you win also.

Now let's see what happened.

You lost the first five bets - $1 + $1 + $2 + $3 + $5 or a total of $12. You win the next two bets for $8 and $13, so you've won $21 and lost $12 so you have a $9 profit.

Let's say you lose the first ELEVEN bets so you lose $1 + $1 + $2 + $3 +$5 + $8 + $13 + $21 + $34 + $55 + $89 or a total of $232.

If you win only the next two bets at $144 and $233, you would win $377 and be ahead by $144.

You will also profit if you win any two out of three bets. If you won the eleventh bet of $89, lost the twelfth bet of $144 but won the thirteenth bet of $233, you would still be ahead by $178!

Your goal in this system is to make a profit. Once you win any two out of three bets, you pocket the profit and start over again at bet # 1.

You should quit when you win 50% of your buy in, so if you buy in for $500 you should stop when you win $250.
8-) :-?

[TwoCatSam]

Start by placing 1 unit on P AND DP [at the same time] then ROLL

Which ever side WINS place a wager of one unit and on the side that LOST place a wager of 2 units.  ROLL

If the side with 2 units wins your ahead 1 unit then place 1 unit on the winning side and go up to 2 units on the side that lost, the one that only had 1 unit on it.  ROLL
If the side that had 2 units on it lost keep only 1 unit on the winning side but increase your wager on the losing side up to 3 units.  ROLL
   

If the side that has the 3 units on it wins and the side with 1 unit loses you are ahead 1 unit, so place 1 unit on the side that won and 2 units on the side that lost.  ROLL
If the side with 3 units on it loses and the side with 1 unit wins keep one unit on the side that won and increase your wager on the losing side up to 5 units.  ROLL
   

If the side with 5 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on the winning side and increase the losing side up to 2 units.  ROLL
If the side with 5 units on it loses keep 1 unit on the side that won and increase your wager up to 9 units on the losing side. ROLL
   
If the side with 9 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on that winning side and increase the unit on the losing side up to 2 units.  ROLL

My Words:  If the 9-unit bet wins, you profit one; if it loses you eat the loss and start over.  If I'm counting right, you may lose four in a row to either pass or don't pass.  Chops don't count as someone won.  Am I on the trail?  This may be a pretty good system in my opinion, as you only dodge the double-six on the comeout.  In roulette, we sweat the zero every spin.

Sam

[MattyMattz]

Hey guys,
I'm a craps player myself and have a few comments:

1st off - Don't start by placing 1 unit on P and DP (start off by just monitoring).  That way if the 12 shows, you don't lose your P bet.  You also have to remember about the 12 during this system as it sort of acts like a zero.

That being said, I've had success in the past using differential betting, which is similar to this system.

Cheers,
Matt

[bikemotorman]

Hi Matt,

It does not look like it would work as well in craps as Roulette Why, because to many seven outs on the don't pass side
from what  I remember 90 percent of shooters will not make there point, however the come out naturals might make up for it.
They say the DONT PASS AND THE PASS ARE ALMOST EVEN AS FAR AS THE LONG HAUL BUT IN THE SHORT RUN THE DONT PASS DOES BETTER.
Remember people hate dark side, I was at the Taj in AC and bet 40 bucks on the dont pass and people started giving me
crap, I did win the bet lol.
I think the DARKSIDE IS THE WAY TO GO SHORT TERM.
One pit boss said he had not seen a good roll in weeks, that is also what the dice setters who say they can roll 30 numbers keep saying in theory every shooter could be at the start of a monster roll, but there are quiet guys who just stand there playing dont pass and big red making a living of the dont side, I have heard of a guy who HOPS SEVENS LIKE CRAZY, AND HE DOES VERY WELL, HE USES A SMALL MARTINGALE from what I have heard.
He is not welcome at most tables, the crew likes him but the other players hate him, he can turn a table cold in five minutes lol.

Stuart
PS I like roulette better but I am a seven magnet lol, plus you cant play live Craps on line, you can with Roulette.

[TwoCatSam]

bike

After the come out roll, the seven is your enemy if you are betting "right" and your friend if you're betting "wrong".  Not short or long or anywhere in between, but every roll.  It's much easier to roll a seven than a ten.

You're right, craps shooters are very supersticious and will frown on "wrong" bettors.

But.........with this system you posted.........the seven would always win for you on the don't pass.  If you have nine chips on don't pass and the shooter sevens out, you win.  What's wrong with that?

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

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