Laws of roulette

[Renopolis]

 By the Way;   "LUCK" is not a factor in my play, but I know the millions upon millions upon masses of millions of average gamblers all wish "good luck", as its another massive fallicy that it was the "LUCK" that caused them to lose instead of their unskilled below-novice-level playing. So please do continue perpetuating this as well. Thanks. RENOPOLIS.

[Renopolis]

 
  Oh nice, I give you imagination; coherancy, outside of the box new ideas (and just look for yourself--its usually a pretty small box in these forums),....springboards to higher levels of discusion, and I get back grade-school naughty boy at recess adolescent bibble-t**d-banter.   Is there anyone intelligent out there who would like to be a pioneer and further this discusion in the spirit of actually illuminating something valuable and new? or is this all there is?    (I've got a feeling I'll probably have to wait 40 or 50 years before any significant portion of the masses catches up to what I'm talking about -- not a put down to anyone, but just how this world works -- Nikoli Tesla is still waiting for his true recognition by more than just a few, and he's been dead about a hundred years. Again not a put down, just new and true thinking just can't break through the pre-conceptions of the masses is a simple fact)
    So once more; I know theres plenty of intelligence out there; if anyone wants to step outside of the little box and use thiers and further the conversation in a meaningful way, THEN -- Lets Go. If not.  Then write me off as a fruit-cake and I'll keep making a living doing what your dreaming about doing, IN-COGNITO.     REGARDS.....RENOPOLIS.

[Renopolis]

   By the way Herb,  I feel like I should send you the bill for my Dry-Cleaning.....as I couldn't help but do a  "spit-take" of my Cranberry juice all over my shirt and tie when I read your "...you can't just use TREND's to win in the long run".   Kind-of like a Cross Country Pilot saying,....."well theres no point in me studying these here Weather Charts and information, because the Weather doesn't have a memory so how could it put out any TRENDS I could use?!?"   

    Son, wether or not it is clear to you; you live in a UNIVERSE of TRENDS. Sun-Spot Cycles; the cycling of disease epidemics, the formation of new Stars; the colliding of galaxies; the wax and wane of caribou populations, the long-term peaks and valleys of the Markets ---- they are ALL TRENDS.  Be oblivious to them and lose; get savvy to them and have a chance of winning if you know how to handle the other aspects; its your choice. 
    Here's a question I've posed to the "Mainstreamers" and so called "Experts" many times with never any sembelance of a coherent or logical answer.  You give me one if you can.  If there are no TRENDS in these games or as you say "you can't use the TRENDS", then why is it you can predict all the way down to the One Hundreth Decimal Point exactly how much profit the House is going to make on every roll/spin ?   That every roll/spin that was independent from the last from a dice/ball that has no memory by the way. Hmmm...lets see, no possibilty of a coherent TREND yet I know that the House is going to take 2.46% of every wager made.....Well, seems to be a contridiction in your dogma big enough to drive the Queen Mary through, but if you can logically and coherently explain it, then please do.   Thanks and REGARDS.......RENOPOLIS
   

[Herb]

Renopolis,

Sorry,  I was just trying to help you out. 

I certainly don't want to try and debate this with you.  I just assumed you were possibly new to gambling because of your posts.  My goal was to help you avoid any heavy losses on your end.  I hope I haven't made you even more determined to prove me wrong.

  I know you're thinking that you have the world at your finger tips, but I've noticed that you likely have a misunderstanding of basic probability.  In the short term, there are some very good system testers on this forum that could help you test your theories, so that you don't have to risk real money.  Maybe you could also help them out with some of your novice ideas or teach us all some grand way of winning sometime soon.


Best of Luck (I know you don't feel that you need it, but it's also just a friendly gesture.   I hope you do find success with your system in the near future.

-Herb.

[TwoCatSam]

Renopolis

You are an offensive person who offers nothing but criticism and negativity.  Why do you waste your time typing?  Why don't you leave? 

Better yet, why don't you go over to the MattyMattz challenged thread and find this ol' boy named Ronjo and straighten him out.  You'll win friends and influence people, believe me!

TwoCat

[kav]

Herb why are you here? What's your point? To just tell people that roulette is unbeatable? Do you really believe none has heard that before? Again and again and again.... And anyway if you believe that roulette is unbeatable and there is no way beating it, what are you looking for in a roulette forum where people try to beat roulette.
Thanks to you Winkel has stopped posting his interesting ideas and knowledge. What's next?

[Herb]

Kav,

I like discussing the logistics with other like minded people.  I also have a background in mathematics, so I enjoy helping people out that may have fallen victim to the game itself.

There are ways to beat the live wheel.

Regarding people like Winkle, or Reno.  I don't really care to get into that GG style of bickering.  I'll state my point maybe once, sometimes twice, but when it's clear that they can't back up their arguments, then I will generally just leave them be.  You can't help someone if they don't want the help.  It's also very tricky and difficult to explain to someone that they are dead wrong when they are so determined that they are right in the first place.

When someone begins acting like a fool, and starts name calling or moving too far off topic, I will usually just ignore them.

The reason:  If you debate a fool, after a while, people cease to recognize which person is the fool.

[winkel]

Herb,

your idea to prevent people from losing their money seems to be very kind, but it isn´t.

you´re acting like people who wanna prevent the world from any bad. And what are the results? e.g. Wacko.

people who are here to discuss ideas and testing them, just do, what you claim: They are trying to save their money.

On the other hand they have fun to fight the unknown enemy which they call probability.

Not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic, not everyone who plays roulette is a gambler.
But everyone who is spreading the truth is dangerous to freedom of speech and ideas.

So I say: You are right: The earth is flat, the sun circles around earth, and there is nothing proofed, because everything is written in a big book, which no one knows. So let us all stop searching for anything, because there is no use to it.

sometimes this would have been better, because people like you wouldn´t have the platform of the WWW to spread their senselessnes.

[Herb]

Winkel,

Please reread the last line of my above post.

Thanks.

[TwoCatSam]

You know Herb, if I'm not mistaken, that phrase came from Will Rogers, Oklahoma's favorite son.  I don't know what part of the world you're in but I'm happy to hear it quoted.

His most known quote:  No, my people didn't come over on the Mayflower, but they met the boat!  You see, he was Native American.

Sam

[winkel]

I like this better (hope to translate it right)

Don´t argue with a fool. first he´s dragging you to his level and then he beats you with his experiences there.

@herb

you talking about arguments. Where are your´s? Repeating things read somewehere else, are no arguments, but proving you´re not thinking by your own.

As you said you´re experienced in mathematics. so please tell me what Wolfgang Döblin found regarding the Theories of Kolmogorof and Markov.

[winkel]

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