give up

[rjeaton1]

This is an example of what I mentioned in my post earlier.  I've made a system (fully mechanical...but variable at the same time...so it's more of a programmed "method" than a "system"...oh, just so you guys know, any "method" or "system" or "whatever" that bases it's betting on anything other than guessing can be programmed)

Anyway, back to my point...what I've programmed plays on a no-zero wheel only.  It is flat betting, and has done so for over 15,000 spins for a profit of just over 200 units.  You'll see flucuations, but the obvious direction of the BR is up.  I'm going to continue to let it run and see if the trend stays that way.

The thing is, it wouldn't work on a single zero wheel because the win to loss ratio is only at 1.30%.  That means on a single zero wheel, I'd (mathematically speaking) be at  -1.40%.

Anyway, it's things like what I'm showing you below that keep me going....(oh, and for anybody that wants this RXtreme coding PM me and you can have it...I'm trying to make it better and it would be nice to have some help.  But, I know most will think it a waste of time as only a 200 unit profit flat betting over 15,000 spins could be luck....)

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[Tangram]

Simon that is the truth no roulette system will make you buy a new car or house.

LS,

If you really believe this then why do you continue to post systems such as the "cut point methodology"? why do you still concern yourself with systems if "advantage play" is the one true way?  

[lucky_strike]

LS,

If you really believe this then why do you continue to post systems such as the "cut point methodology"? why do you still concern yourself with systems if "advantage play" is the one true way?

Because I enjoy it and I am having fun and thats all.
I will not let any one stop me from create roulette systems it is an hobby for me and I do not search for a HG.

I hope you don't hate me for that like Marven does

Cheers

[Marven]

@Tangram: I like what you said.

Because I enjoy it and I am having fun and thats all.
I will not let any one stop me from create roulette systems it is an hobby for me and I do not search for a HG.

I hope you don't hate me for that like Marven does

Mate, I'm not hating you for anything.
We just had a clashing of opinions.

You have more experience than me and I respect you.

Same hobby (roulette), same enemy (casinos).

Cheers,
Marven

[Mr Chips]

Where can one look at the Signum system

I am explaining the system to someone at the present time and hopefully he will get a handle on it soon. It is very complex and
I am hoping in time there will be a simpler way to explain the system. I have spent a great deal of time explaining 4Selecta both
here and emails and most probably I would get treble the amount of enquires about Signum.
 

By reading Mr Chips' mind, or convincing him to let other people test it (preferably code it) other than himself.
 
Excuse the sarcasm Mr Chips, but your continues praise of this Signum system had us righteously skeptical

I indulge in a bit of sarcasm myself so you are excused
 
I have no intention of keeping Signum a dark secret, my original intention to bring it to light was to try and get a proof
re the 'Advanced Roulette debate' in the Chips section.
 
The Signum system cannot be coded, as it requires a high degree of human intervention to increase profits and minimise
losses and on a certain number of occasions break even.
 
As I am producing on going results you must also be sceptical of them. You think perhaps I am going to all the trouble of
making them up for some ego gratification. They are taken from Spielbank spins and eventually when a number of people
will fully understand the system and will be able to check my results, I will easily be found out!
 
I have produced endless verifiable results for 4Selecta and I am not in the business and wouldn't waste my time in making up
any results. I always produce verifiable results to avoid any suggestion that they are in any way fiction.
 

Simon that is the truth no roulette system will make you buy a new car or house

That is the truth as you perceive it, not necessarily the absolute truth for everyone.
 
Mr Chips

[Tangram]

I hope you don't hate me for that like Marven does

Not at all, in fact I like your CPM system, I use a similar bet selection myself. 

But you never use systems in real play right?

From your CPM post on VIP:

The law for correction for underrepresented figures and events happens if the value for the imbalance rise above an statistical ecart of 2,5.
Observation and masse égale - takes time - but the reward is good.

So the reward is good, but not good enough to buy a car or house. What about a TV or a bicycle? 

It's one thing to post systems for fun but you are making claims here which imply that the system is a long-term winner. That's ok, maybe it has been for you and it's up to others to find out whether it is for them.

Please understand that I'm not attacking or criticizing you, I just think you're sitting on the fence with regard to systems vs advantage play methods. Maybe you believe that some systems do work, in which case you can't at the same time believe the maths that says they don't. 

Perhaps you just hope they work, which is pretty much what everyone who uses a system thinks. 

[lucky_strike]

You are ok in my book Tangram.

But Mr Chips is a dangerous member to this forum -lol- I qoute:

That is the truth as you perceive it, not necessarily the absolute truth for everyone.

About Simon that is the truth no roulette system will make you buy a new car or house

Well I only know Kaisan who else has made it?
I know two more but I want mention there names!

None of them use a roulette systems.

Cheers

[viper5]

I have said 100 times that there is no system that can beat roulette too....

[MATTJONO]

Hi all nice debate.

200 players,

100 players from the casino who have little experience as joined the casino in the last thew weeks and never visited a forum or read a page of a book
+
100 players from this forum the most experienced who believe they can make consistant profit over time playing and learning what roulette can produce.

all players have a full day 12 hours to visist the casino take breaks, bet just once or every single spin whatever they like but all players have a $500 bankroll each and after the 12 hours can walk alway with any + profit they made (if any)

Now from my point of view id say that 80% of the amature players with little experience would have lost there bankroll within the first 3 hours.(they ''give up'')

and 80% of the experienced players would of made it to the end with a nice profit.(and probably knew roughlt how much profit they would make).

HOWEVER THE PROFIT GAINED BY ALL THE PLAYERS COMBINED WILL MOST LIKELY BE FAR LESS THEN THE AMOUNT THE LOSING PLAYERS LOST ($500 EACH)


thats my view anyway, and I can see why people presume no system can win longterm with the house adge. but to be honest im here on the forum to find a winning bet where you yourself can produce more winners than losers in the log run and still have FUN  

mattjono

[pins]

as nobody knows what the next spin is going to be. all players have chance to pick it. i do not believe anybody makes a profit out of roulette. in the long run everybody loses. you will have winning days mebe weeks. but in the long run you will lose. as sure as the sun will rise to morrow

[hoper35]

"This is an example of what I mentioned in my post earlier.  I've made a system (fully mechanical...but variable at the same time...so it's more of a programmed "method" than a "system"...oh, just so you guys know, any "method" or "system" or "whatever" that bases it's betting on anything other than guessing can be programmed)"


What about a method where you are jumping from one table to another?  I am sometimes playing three or four tables.

[Shorty]

It makes no difference if you are playing one table or ten tables. Each outcome is equally as likely as every other outcome.

[hoper35]

"It makes no difference if you are playing one table or ten tables. Each outcome is equally as likely as every other outcome."

Big deal.


Doesn't stop me.

[Mr Chips]

Surely you people that produce nothing but negative posts, a 100 quoted above should find themselves some other activity.

What is the point of belonging to a forum where the main discussion is about roulette systems, if you don't participate in a
positive way. Few of you ever bother to test any systems or make any contribution with some ideas.
 
Even when positive results are shown you dismiss them, without even bothering to examine them and make trite comments
instead.
 
As has been pointed out before, over 3000 people have joined this forum and how many have actually posted anything?
 
The majority who joined must have an interest in roulette and could well have made a positive contribution here, but won't
for fear of adverse comments, by a handful of negative posters, who have nothing better to do than post repetitive negative
comments.
 
What do you or anyone else get out of 100 repetitive negative posts, absolutely nothing.
 
Mr Chips

[Shorty]

"It makes no difference if you are playing one table or ten tables. Each outcome is equally as likely as every other outcome."

Big deal.

Doesn't stop me.

I shouldn't think it would stop you. Whatever works for you - stick to it.

[Shorty]

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