can the casino dectect a bot

[Tangram]

I think online casinos try to discourage bots because of server/IT considerations rather that any concern that they confer an unfair advantage. Bots can tie up a lot of server resources if they're badly written (which I suspect many are).

After all, you could easily use software which isn't a bot and doesn't interact with the site interface but gives you all the info to make optimum decisions, and these are obviously undetectable.  

[Number Six]

Well, the question isn't about morality. It's whether or not casinos can detect bots and the answer is yes.
Poker bot users are cheats. That is widely acknowledged and why those bots are illegal. NONE of them ever get away with using bots in poker rooms. A good player can spot a bot easily. Eventually they are all kicked out and banned. Betfair actually encourage the use of bots, so those bots are OK. Roulette bots are not prohibited in some places, in others they are. Across the board they are just wrong because they all implement systems that can't overcome the house edge. So what is the point of them? Some forex bots, or so I've heard, can be used to make real money, so that would be an efficient strategy. It's a matter of sifting through the scams and finding the real deal.  

I think online casinos try to discourage bots because of server/IT considerations rather that any concern that they confer an unfair advantage. Bots can tie up a lot of server resources if they're badly written (which I suspect many are).

That may be the real truth. You can bet your bottom dollar that all casinos would welcome bot users if they could.

[Shorty]

I'll save you the sifting - Forex Megadroid

[NOISIA]

If the bot doesn't interfere with the casino software, why should they worry? The house edge is still the same. . .

[TwoCatSam]

I have a question.  Assuming the casinos can detect a bot in a split second, why would they want to?  As NOISIA just said, they still have their edge.  It is said that if you prove you have a million bucks and a winning system, Vegas will fly you out, comp you a room and welcome your play.  So if you had a million bucks and a bot which many argue can never work, why would they not welcome you like Vegas?

What I'm hearing over and over again is this:  Bots don't work.  They will never work.  And when you WIN MONEY using a bot, they will not pay you.  So, which is it?

I've always said that a perpetual motion machine is impossible.  But when one IS invented, a better one will be invented within a year.  Think about that...........

Sam

[John1234]

What if you were to ask a casino if they accept a bot? Do you think that would be a bad idea?

[roules]

@ John - yes. Not a good idea.

@ Sam - well put. Why would they worry if they have the edge? (although do they have an edge on a no zero wheel?)
And if bots don't work because they play "systems" then surely the casino would welcome them....

@ Number6 - it's quite easy to make an application completely invisible. The only give away is the repetitive actions though as you said.

Whats the difference between a gaming bot and a forex bot and for that matter, whats the difference between gambling
and trading?

[TwoCatSam]

roules

As one who's afraid to look at his retirements accounts, I can testify there is no difference between "gambling" and "investing".

I have learned from Thomas Grant this little ditty:  When you withdraw from Bet Voyager, they charge you a 10% surcharge on your winnings.  So.........if you loose it all, what's their rake?  If you win, it's 10%.  I think they got this thing figured out!

Sam

[Stepydan]

Hey there  

From the bet voyager site :

During a withdrawal of funds from the gambling portal to third-party payments systems, a 10% house fee will be taken from the player's net winnings. There is no house fee on winnings from casino games that do not offer equal odds. Players can gamble for a long time on equal odds casino games and rake free poker, or make sports bets without any house fee. The house fee will only be charged on a withdrawal of net winnings.

During a withdrawal of funds, first the sum of the deposit is returned, and then the winnings, from which a house fee will be taken.

Example: a player makes a €100 deposit, wins €50 and then requests a withdrawal of €120. Under this scenario, the net winnings exceed the deposit by €20, I.e. a 10% house fee equals €2.

So no house edge, but still the house is biting you a little  when you withdraw...

Cheers  

Stepydan.

[TwoCatSam]

Stepydan

I want to withdraw 100,000 Euro and let them bite me!  Don't we all.  People in hell want ice water, but I hear they're not getting any.

Sam

[esoito]

You buy shares; you pay a brokerage fee.

You use Betvoyager's facilities. You pay them a modest fee on your profits. Seems fair to me!

[TwoCatSam]

esoito

I agree.  Some USA citizens are harping because when the new gambling law takes effect, we will be taxed on our winnings.  I'd sooner be able to play, win and be taxed, than not to play at all. 

Sam

[John1234]

esoito

I agree.  Some USA citizens are harping because when the new gambling law takes effect, we will be taxed on our winnings.  I'd sooner be able to play, win and be taxed, than not to play at all. 

Sam

I agree with that.

[John1234]

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