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[John1234]

Hello John I  was try to day  your shufle system and  im actualy impressed I was wait one shoe wrote dawn from DB and then here we go it was fun realy . . . with some educated random guessing very nice job thank you for posting  it here

I am very happy to hear that you liked it. It still continues to surprise me everytime I have success because as you said it is only educated guessing. I have a few ideas that will hopefully improve this system even more

[John1234]

I finally got to play and I had a good night. I am only going to be shooting to make 4-6 units (after commission) per day. I will probably only shoot for 4 units because of the issue of time.

Day 1: 08/25/09: +4 units---I won the 4 units by the 43rd decision. My largest drawdown was -3 units. I only made a 2 unit bet one time. I will be playing again tomorrow.

I will try to  post an example shoe tomorrow.

Day 2 08/26/09: +4 units. I won the 4 units by the 18th decision. My largest drawdown was -3 units.

Total units won= +8 units


stop loss: An 8 unit stop loss has been added. If you lose 8 units then stop and continue recording the shoe. Then move on to the next shoe.

[Joker]

John do you ignore the tie? and this has to next shoe? or you can wait for couple shoe? thank you

[John1234]

John do you ignore the tie? and this has to next shoe? or you can wait for couple shoe? thank you

Yes I just ignore ties. I ignore ties to make it less complicated. It should always be the next shoe. So you want to play continuous shoes.

[John1234]

I have an idea to tweak this method so that betting will no longer occur ever play. This idea came to me when I woke up so it seems good now but it may not be good later when I begin to use it.

I am thinking about adding virtual mode and a LW registry. I believe that this may strengthen the weakest part of the system. I have noticed that wins and losses seem to come in bunches. They not only come in bunches but they also seem to forum patterns such as LWLW, WLWL WWLW, LLWL, and then the primary patterns are WWW or LLL. The virtual mode will focus on 3 primary patterns such as
1) WL/LW
2) WW/LL
2) WLWW/LWLL

There will be a trigger when of when to bet. And I will go into more detail with this later because I need to get to class right now. But th original tracking method will still be in place along side of the LW registry.

When i get back I'll talk about the weak part of the system and why I think this will work. And also how I plan on playing it tonight.

[Natural9]

I have an idea to tweak this method so that betting will no longer occur ever play. This idea came to me when I woke up so it seems good now but it may not be good later when I begin to use it.

I am thinking about adding virtual mode and a LW registry. I believe that this may strengthen the weakest part of the system. I have noticed that wins and losses seem to come in bunches. They not only come in bunches but they also seem to forum patterns such as LWLW, WLWL WWLW, LLWL, and then the primary patterns are WWW or LLL. The virtual mode will focus on 3 primary patterns such as
1) WL/LW
2) WW/LL
2) WLWW/LWLL

There will be a trigger when of when to bet. And I will go into more detail with this later because I need to get to class right now. But th original tracking method will still be in place along side of the LW registry.

When I get back I'll talk about the weak part of the system and why I think this will work. And also how I plan on playing it tonight.

I been testing a method it is hurt by the 3 then a chop then 3 again PPPBPPP  type scenario but do they happen enough to kill my bankroll i doubt it but one never knows as the shoe can at times do what ever it wants

John you need to know the archilles heal of your method and does it happen enough to really worry about sometimes tweaks make it worse

[John1234]

I been testing a method it is hurt by the 3 then a chop then 3 again PPPBPPP  type scenario but do they happen enough to kill my bankroll I doubt it but one never knows as the shoe can at times do what ever it wants

John you need to know the archilles heal of your method and does it happen enough to really worry about sometimes tweaks make it worse

Yes I agree with you. I think that it happens enough, but at the same time it has not killed my bankroll yet. The tweak will either make it better or worse. I am just going to play around with it a little to see what happens, just for fun.

[John1234]

I'm not going to work on the tweak. I'll just keep playing and I'll keep the tweak in the back of my mind if the system fails.


There is an aspect of the count method which I need to fix. I will post on it after my session tonight. I got confused about my own rules while playing last night and I realized that it could be confusing in the system so I am going to repost about the count.

[John1234]

Day 2 08/26/09: +4 units. I won the 4 units by the 18th decision. My largest drawdown was -3 units.

Total units won= +8 units


stop loss: An 8 unit stop loss has been added. If you lose 8 units then stop and continue recording the shoe. Then move on to the next shoe.

Day 3: 08/27/09: +4 units

Total Units Won= +12 units

Sessions Played 3:::Sessions won 3 (session =1 shoe)

Today I made a slight change to the progression. It was recommend that I play the Midas money management system. At first glance it looked great but while playing I quickly found out that the bets can get a bit high at times...well too high for me. So I altered the Midas system to fit my playing style. I am not going to explain how I played it because I need to get my notes together. I will explain the tweak to the midas system later.
But the tweak to the midas progression worked great and kept bets low.


tonight was basically a losing shoe. I lost more bets than I won but the Midas system with the tweak got me out of it with my 4 unit win goal. I finished the shoe by the 34th decision. If I had been using the original progression then I still would have been playing. My largest drawdown was 3 units.

I will play the Midas with the tweak tomorrow and I will probably try for 6 units.

On Sat**day or Sunday I will play multiple sessions in a row.

[John1234]

I am about to play a session. While recording the results of shoe 1 and waiting for shoe 2 before I can begin I will spend sometime talking about the count.

In the original post I talked about the idea behind the count so I will not go into much detail there. I am just going to explain how to play it again. But the basic idea of the count is to trap the dominate side (Winning) side.

Here are some basic rules of the count from the original post. I have more to explain after:

-There are two sides to the count. The current shoe being the same as the previous shoe goes on YOUR right side and the current shoe being opposite the previous shoe goes on YOUR left side  In the middle I stick a V. The V means versus.  
So it should look like this:  current shoe opposite the previous shoe V current shoe the same as previous shoe.

-With the count you are simply adding 1 to each side.
-When Shoe B is the same as shoe A, you add 1 to the right side.
-When shoe B is opposite shoe A, you add 1 to the left side.
-You bet based off which side has the higher count.
-You do not bet when the count is even.

The count should dictate which side is dominate during play. It should show what a given section of the shoe is doing.
-You do not bet when the count is even.

Now here is the confusing part

After each count totals 5, you will reset the count. This rule will be known as the count reset rule. I

I feel as though it is best to reset the count incase the non-dominate side begins to catch up with the dominate side. You do not want to get caught in a situation where you are betting the losing side. Remember you are betting the side with the higher count.


-Here is a situation of when to reset the count.
-the count reaches 3v0. This means that you are betting for the current shoe to be opposite the previous shoe.
-The next bet losses. This makes the count 3v1. So you have one more bet to make before you have to reset the count. 3+1=4. Again, you bet for the current shoe to be opposite the previous shoe because the left side is higher.
-The next bet losses. The count is now 3v2. The count is now equal to 5. The next be will be the same bet again, betting that the left will win. The side that wins the bet will be start the new count series. Again, you are betting the side that is higher.

So if the right side wins again. then the count will be 0v1. However if the left side wins then count will be 1v0. and you continue to a total of 5.

And again, when the count is even, you do not bet.

[John1234]

Day 4: 08/28/09: +4 units--still using tweaked version of the Midas touch which I will explain soon

I had my easiest shoe yet. I had a 0 unit drawdown and won the 4 units by the 7th decision.

I could have continued playing but I want to try to get another session in just to split the session up for testing purposes. I am in the process of recording this shoe so hopefully I'll get to play another session. If I do play another session then I'll update this post, if I don't update this post then I fell asleep and did not play.

Total Sessions played 4. Total Sessions Won: 4
Total Units Won= +16 units


I Tried playing for the extra 4 units. and I had my first losing shoe. I lost 16 units. So everything that I made this week I lost. I made the stop loss -12 units but I went a little longer. I finally stopped myself to preserve my bankroll to the point where it was at the beginning of the week. It is a bit of a set back but I just need to regroup and get back ontop of things. I will no longer be using the Midas Touch progression. I am going back to the original progression. I never should have switched. The bets get too high too fast, even with my tweak. Tomorrow I will play again with my 3 level staking plan progression with the flat bets.
I did have a lot of losing bets, I don't know how the 3 level staking plan would have done. I think the drawdown would have been lower but I think I still would have had a losing shoe.

[Diarmaid]

Hows it going John, still winning.

I have tested this a bit and it looks fairly solid.

Even is you play the last decision (O or S, opposite or same as last shoe)  with the oscars grind progression it seems to be easy to make a few units every shoe. Nice system for playing in a real casino as you only have to track one shoe and there is basically no more tracking after that.

Cheers
D

[John1234]

I had a few losing shoes but that is mostly because of a bad progression. Out of frustration I began to look into some roulette systems but I will consider what you said about oscars grind.

I guess I will get back to work on this system. Maybe there is something to this afterall. Who knows.However, I have had many shoes where I have lost more bets than i have won.

boomerang: It is nice to see that you are having some success. Hopefully it continues.

[John1234]

hi   D.  im  not  using  progression but  so  far  becouse  I  dont   play  flat  bet  I  just  hit  4  orr 5  chips  and  close  session . but  as  you   said  solid is  solid

yea the original progression that I wrote of seems to be no good. There has to be something out there

[John1234]

what about the 6pt divisor? Maybe that could be the answer?

[John1234]

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