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No Memory Betting

Started by Spike, September 09, 2009, 01:03:11 AM

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Diarmaid

Quote from: Spike on September 11, 2009, 11:15:28 PM
What possible justification does player 2 have in varying his bets>>

There isn't any, bet every spin or every 10th spin, it makes no difference at all.

Well it depends on your take on the game of roulette.

There is more than 1 way to beat it.

Cheers
D

WARRIOR

SPIKE DO USE ANY KIND OF PROGRESSION ON YOUR BETTING .

bombus

Quote from: Spike on September 11, 2009, 11:15:28 PM
What possible justification does player 2 have in varying his bets>>

There isn't any, bet every spin or every 10th spin, it makes no difference at all.

I meant, what possible justification does player 2 have in varying the amount he bets from session to session?


Spike

There is more than 1 way to beat it.>>

But waiting out spins makes no difference because there is no rhyme or reason to random outcomes. It just saves you from betting if you have a loser system, so people think its a goo thing.

And no, I never use progressions. If you can win flat betting, they're a waste of time.

Diarmaid

Quote from: Spike on September 12, 2009, 12:36:32 AM


But waiting out spins makes no difference because there is no rhyme or reason to random outcomes.

Then you 'method' that you wont post, is pointless too if there is no reason for random outcomes  :)

Or because you have a winning methodology you believe that yours is the only way?

Which is it?


Cheers
D

Spike

Which is it?>>>

I don't understand the question, please ask in a different way.

mistarlupo

Quote from: bombus on September 12, 2009, 12:16:47 AM
I meant, what possible justification does player 2 have in varying the amount he bets from session to session?

You'll not get any reasonable answer.

bombus

Quote from: mistarlupo on September 12, 2009, 04:32:01 AM
You'll not get any reasonable answer.

Perhaps you're right mistarlupo. It's a shame though, because it is a very valid question.

Quote from: Spike on September 09, 2009, 01:03:11 AM
The only bet selection that works is one that has no memory, like the outcome itself. It doesn't rely on a rigid set of rules, but calls for a unique decision on every bet. When you bet this way, you're always in the 'long run', you're always where the wheel is in terms of the law of large numbers. There can be no 'evening out' of your winning percentage down the line, it remains constant. You're doing what the wheel does, starting over on every spin.

This is why I put up the 2 player scenario.

No memory, unique decisions, always in the law of large numbers, no evening out, remains constant, starting over every spin.

All these points would suggest that there is completely no difference between how the two players fulfill their 1000 spin sample. The belief that player two can decide to raise and lower the stake at each 100 spin interval simply because he takes a break runs contrary to all the above conditions of the game. I say he is in fact using a scaled progression... up a unit, down a unit, etc. 

mistarlupo

The dilemma here is whether we should call the variable unit size a progression or money management plan.
I prefer the first one but it depends on the situation & it depends on how you define the above two terms.

Regards,
/

Diarmaid

Quote from: Spike on September 12, 2009, 03:35:45 AM
Which is it?>>>

I don't understand the question, please ask in a different way.

LOL, so you don't understand simple English,

I thought they speak English in America.

Spike

Then you 'method' that you wont post, is pointless too if there is no reason for random outcomes >>>

I didn't say there is no reason for random, I said there is no rhyme or reason TO random, meaning the outcomes follow no reasonable course.

>>Or because you have a winning methodology you believe that yours is the only way?>>

Roulette can be beaten by bias wheel plat or VB, so I hardly have to only way.

Spike

 why should player 1 feel obliged to persist with the flat bet>>>

Flat betting is the least volatile way to play. You are always risking the same amount on every bet, and if you win more than you lose, you will always come out ahead. A progresion can always get into trouble no matter what your method of play, its never worth the risk.

bombus

The wheel has no memory, but I believe it has "taqwa" (an inexplicable ability to do exaclty what is needed to perform its job). A bit like a consciense.

It's like this, Spike.

You know kind of how to read it (random) and the wheel knows exactly how to write it.

Marven

Well put, Bombus.

The more time you spend dealing with the stochastic process, the more you realize the presence of such a inexplicable "conscience".

How to read it well enough to exploit it is the question.

Spike

How to read it well enough to exploit it is the question.>>

Just takes time and practice.

Spike

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