True about RNG's

[bliss]

I am saying that it is very possible that there are some that you might not suspect that may very well be crooked.

We agree on that. 

Which online casino do you work for Bliss......

Jakk, you are sooo predictable. Which B & M casino do you work for? 

[Number Six]

Course they CAN cheat, they can all cheat. The question, amid the regulation of a reputable jurisdiction, is how do they get away with the crime? No one can explain anything with a theory that is credible. Saying "I practised in fun money mode, then when I played for real I got nailed", is not an explanation. It's merely a recurrent and boring observation that has no substance. Doubtless the fun mode RNG is programmed to pay out to the player's advantage in order to suck in the douche bags. Maybe that's cheating in a way, it's deception for sure. But you're not talking about real cash-money in that situation. If you use a fun mode RNG to test a system, then you're asking for trouble. If anything, it's the practise RNGs that are rigged, not the real ones.

[Spike]

Now, do the same but bet with real money and a progression........Let's see what happens then. >>>

I did this in the States before they banned it. I had accounts at 12 casinos and would win win win in play mode and as soon as I switched to real money, I would lose lose lose. Turbo would always laugh at me say it was my system and not the casino. Whatever, Turbo. I never won a dime online using RNG's and I do win on real wheels. What does that tell me..

[GARNabby]

Off hand, "fixing" any (previously) random outcome takes away the randomness... which is, in the long-run, asking for trouble.  And the whole thing would be even more vulnerable to internal, large-scale employee-theft.  Why wouldn't the cheaters just cheat?  (As I suspect on-liners SOMETIMES do, if only to artificially create the odd winner for advertisement purposes.)

In my day, all this used to be called "electrical engineering"; now, it's called "electrical and computer engineering", or just "computer science" (from the math-dept point-of-view).  W/o something more, and from what conspicuously little there is to "work with" there, I would say that whoever composed that "blurb" is a graduate from neither.

[Proofreaders2000]

If anything, it's the practise RNGs that are rigged, not the real ones.--N6.

Actually, the practice RNGs are not rigged IMO--they are TRNG numbers!  Once there is real money on the table, RNG or Live Wheel (internet) the casino has to protect itself.

I would go as far to say if it wern't for casino countermeasures, almost any system would beat roulette.

[VLSroulette]

Hello dear friend,

I believe it depends on the casino, as not every casino connects their practice (free) random number generator to a True Random Number Generator (due to cost attached to give hardware-based TRUE RNG for free).

If I'm not mistaken, most casinos simply use a local RNG function for fun mode (generated at the computer) and only switch to True RNG numbers when real money is involved.

Some like Betvoyager do use the same generator for both free practice and real, but they are more likely the exception.

Kind regards.
Victor

[waaahome]

o yes it can.

[waaahome]

[iggiv]

Playtech online casinos (i mean software, not live wheel) are the worst ones.  They are rigged big time.  It is virtually impossible to win there, the software finds your weak spots, lets u win a little (depending on your strategy) -- then rip off all your bankroll.  If u are cautious u'll see that u lose slowly, but u always lose even with the winning strategies. 

And with Martingale. . . they rip you off such a tricky way. . . they let u win some.  If u are new u really think u gonna win till they take all your bankroll. . . Bastards. . . 

been there

[iggiv]

first of all, don't try to insult anyone here.  This is a friendly board, not for insulting each other. 
We kinda are trying to help each other, not take the casino's side saying they are always nice and innocent. 


second: the problem is-- u never can get evidence of rigged software, it is not that easy.  Software coding is a commercial secret.  It is like breaking the law without breaking the law.  The law is against cheating casinos, but
the law can not deal properly with rigging software, so playtech casinos don't really cheat, they are just use rigged software, which is very hard to investigate, and to investigate the company which is releasing this software u need more than just players complains. 

just try it yourself.  Try smart tactics on real wheels or betvoyager RNG (this one is a true RNG, not rigged one) and u can win there.  Then go to playtech "RNG" and try your winning tactics there.  Not just for 5 minutes, try for a few hours or better for a  a few days.  And tell after. 

Many people tried it, many people found out, much smarter than u and me.  Just check the news, check what's going on with playtech casinos, they do not always play fair games, but they are smart enough not to get caught. 
By the way, playtech casinos don't operate in countries with too strict laws.  There are no playtech casinos in UK AFAIK.   Microgaming casinos are much more fair. 

check what's going on with playtech casinos

hxxp: nolinks. hundredpercentgambling. com/2009/05/william-hill-joyland-casino-and. htm


by the way i have no complains about playtech live roulette, they look fair


and again -- unreasonable insulting your fellows in this forum is against the rules of this forum.  But i have never heard that rules of this forum are against insulting casinos. 

[iggiv]

and by the way i have no complains against betvoyager as well.  So if we are so paranoid losers, why we don't blame betvoyger? 

[Lanky]

first of all, don't try to insult anyone here.  This is a friendly board, not for insulting each other. 
We kinda are trying to help each other, not take the casino's side saying they are always nice and innocent.

and again -- unreasonable insulting your fellows in this forum is against the rules of this forum.

Very true iggiv .

The Member (No More Bets)  has now been placed into Pre Moderation.

Lanky.

[TwoCatSam]

Very few people will ever test an RNG enough to determine if it is fair.  What many see as an RNG "going after them" is just the normal ebb and flow of numbers doing what they do--randomly!

Good Lord!  Spike or Herb could have written the above!

Where's my Valium?

Sam

[iggiv]

thanx Lanky!

Sam, there is nothing to test there about playtech so-called "RNG".  Just try to play it the usual way u play and win at other places.  You'll see tremendous difference.  Any winning working strategies won't work there.  Well, maybe u can find something to fight them back, I couldn't.  it was endless hopeless war, till i found out that yes, u can beat a roulette in a short run at least, but not at Playtech "RNG".  Sometimes i come back to playtech "RNG" just out of curiosity to try the same tactics which work with live wheels and Betvoyager -- and then i start losing again after a very short period of time.  10-20 spins -- and the machine already KNOWS what are u going to do, what is your next move.  If the machine wants it will give u the same street hitting 6 or 8 times in a row -- try to prove that this not usual randomness.   Then i leave them. 

it is not a secret, it is not a conspiracy, it is just that Playtech software somehow manages to avoid fair randomness control.  How and why -- I don't know.  The only thing i know --that  most Playtech casinos are based in either Carribean or other "Third World" countries.  And some really take players as idiots -- call them on the phone million times to tell them to play Beach Life or smthg like that.  Or bother them with live chat operators: "please make a deposit, we are going to help u with this".  I am too nice to send them to hell -- i know this is their job to make this idiotic calls, people working there are not guilty, they are just doing their job. 

But The Big Guys behind this. . . that's another story

[ghost888]

If you are smart enough, it is obvious that both RNG roulette and live roulettes are rigged.
The big difference is that you can't beat the rng roulette because it is one against one. But the good news is that you can beat the live roulette by playing smart. The numbers are not random, they are chosen to make lose people who put the most money on tables. Think about it and you will be able to guess good winning bets

[ghost888]

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