how do I recognize RNG an d REal wheel numbers

[Mr J]

Thanks for your guess. I'll give it another day in case someone else wants to take the challenge.  Ken

[Spike]

Its the Amazing Randi, one of my hero's..

[lucky_strike]

I will not take a part of this challange but here is a tought about it.

This is abstract and I try this to see if there is some kind of "bias" or "wheel signature".

Take Spielbank Hamburg files and pick only table 1 with the date as you go.
Use this files as an part of your test.

Take Random.org files and pick the date and use the values 0 to 36.
Use this as an part of your test.

Take RNG files and use them to compare with the above.
Use this files as an part of your test.

When you have an distiribution of numbers you divide them into two columns.
If you have number 23 you let it be.
Then after that you get number 22 you put it to the right.

23
...22

Now you continue to divide the numbers like this as you go along.
When there is an repeat of one number you place it in the same column it has apper in before.

23
...22
1
...2
...2
1
...22

This is how it would look like.

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20
35
12
17
18
6
16
17
36
13
16
28
2
29
27
26
34
3
5
6
32
10
3
1
11
35
5
3
20
23
2
27
27
3  
29
21
27
16
10  
0
18
32
20
6  
0  
26  
5
18
24        
7
11        
2
15
21
26
31
36
20
11      
11
21  
3          
5
21
26
19
0  
29
6
3
  22
3
32
5
33
12
31
1
28
4
12
25
11
25
15
28
 
27
0
4
0
6
22


Make an list over how the left or the right column get overrepresented and the underrepresented with the amount of numbers and explore the concept.
Make an list over how repeats two times or more in the left and right column.
Make an list how it develops series of repeats where you get series above three and how you get series to chop "as three series chop" using one coulmn and bouth.

Lets assume there is an common tendency for 20 numbers to alternate with singles events of series to shape.
Then after this there is some different tendency that will happen.

If you can find any tendency that is not an random behavior you can compare the files and see if there is an change of behavior.

LS

[lucky_strike]

I just want to mention i skip the idea above because i have so much to do with other things.
I don't know if there is some-thing to it i only find the tendency that i mention.

LS

[Mr Chips]

Hi Ken,

I tried a RNG and real wheel numbers test a little while back, Tangram supplied the numbers. I did not do very well.

The method I used will appear crazy, but I have found it can work very well, but sometimes there is what I call a
mirror effect, where for a certain number of spins RNG appear actuals and visa versa. There was a small clue when
I was doing the test which I ignored, but would have given me a better result. The problem is that it needs a
larger sample to stand a better chance of trying to identify which is which.

I will use 'sections' , which are used in the 4Selecta system :

  Group A

[table=,]
Result,Expected result
3,32
0,19
11,11*
13,22*
10,14
35,19
28,9
6,23
22,7
21,10
18,8
25,21
6,11
32,6
33,6*
10,10*
7,13
8,19
20,12
[/table]

Group B

[table=,]
Result,Expected result
20,12
15,9
12,13
32,10
17,13
30,9
35,8*
36,10
26,5
34,13
24,11
6,10
19,7
26,9
13,7
4,7
29,7
24,7
5,7
4,8
32,7
[/table]

In Group B there is a fascinating sequence of expected  7's. I would say Group A is actual and Group B, RNG.

Richard

[GARNabby]

Hi Ken,

I think the first set is L(ive)NG; and the second is RNG.



Hi D-J,

That's one heck of a picture.

[Mr J]

The answer..... (dont be mad).... they are both RNG.  Ken

[Davey-Jones]

Well... that doesn't suprise me.

Once again... I'd like to try compare Real numbers to rngs numbers and do the experiment properly. If you were going to screw around in the first place I wish you wouldn't have posted. I hate it when people waste other people's time like this. I hope you feel clever now...

Serves me right for trying something with a system player...

[Mr J]

I needed to make a point and I think I did that? IF IF IF you (or we) could tell the difference between the two....wouldn't the answer be, "they BOTH look like RNG". By giving an answer like a few did, all that happened was guessing.  Ken

[Davey-Jones]

Hey dumbass... I never said I could tell the difference between the two. All I said was that would like to give it a try.

Anyone else on this forum understand english?

[Mr J]

OMG..lol Did Steve send you over here?  Ken

[Davey-Jones]

You do it to yourself bro...

[MattyMattz]

Well, although I can see your point Mr. J, it does come off a bit jerkish to waste peoples time trying to analyze the data.

Matt

[Mr J]

It was for under 18 hours. 3 people I think? Sorry about that. If it was me looking at those numbers. Why guess? I would say "heck if I know".  Ken

[Mr Chips]

It's no problem that they are both RNG. Are they both PRNG or TRNG ? It is difficult with a short sample to identify them,
but Group B did indicate strongly PRNG!

[Mr Chips]

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