The Characteristics of Randomness - A Test

[gizmotron]

My goal is to take out 100 units per visit. This effort takes mental energy. It's easy to make concentration mistakes based on the effort it takes to win.

That is because you are not allowed to use any sort of an electronic device to help you in the process of reading random, right? So your method does not work equally well for any kind of random generated set of values (PRNG's, TRNG's, online 'live' casinos etc). You must get much better results in B&M casinos for some reason... Why's that?

I'm sorry but that is an incorrect assumption. I concentrated yesterday on forms and groupings that were dynamically unique. I watched as numbers with ending digits made sequences that created lineal patterns. 6,5,4 lined up twice. 1,0,9 lined up once. 1,2,3 happened as 1, 2, 33. I not only reached my goal I made 160 units. I only played about 60 spins. In yesterday's first session I went down more than 100 units before grinding my way back to even. Then  I went and had dinner. After I came back it took 14 spins to win the 160 units.

So here are the actual spins: 00,0,1,20,22,26, 15,34,19,00,3,28,11,5,8, 6,25,14,31,21,3,9,16, 28,35,16,30,22,9,25, 35,20,10,00,1,30,9,4, 23,33,18,35,25,14,15,35, // session two: 11,2,5,11,10,6, 1,2,33,22,5,5,

I went with guesses while it was working. During all that I used two dozens to grind my way back. I see no difference between my correctly operating RNG on my computer at home and these real spins. Anyone that can see some strange difference has a magical thinking dependency. Magical thinking is a common error of new gamblers. An unfounded superstition must lead to erroneous conclusions.

[mistarlupo]

14 spins to see enough trends, patterns, global effects etc. and adjust them to your effectiveness... and win 160u?! Amazing.

[gizmotron]

14 spins to see enough trends, patterns, global effects etc. and adjust them to your effectiveness... and win 160u?! Amazing.

The global effect was a carry over yesterday.

So just for the heck of it I went back today. At first it was difficult going and then it swung into a very good patch. On one table 8's & 5's were streaking so I hammered them. I sat for 85 spins, bet every spin, and left the casino today, 200 units ahead. I had a general idea of things working and also being very short lived. Like one good attack and then lose.

[mistarlupo]

I remember that guy back on GG who used an approach which sounds conceptually similar to SOME of your techniques. As far as I know, he is playing baccarat which provides him with just one data stream while you seem to take advantage of the wide variety of betting options available in roulette. The reason I tell you this is because of the 'mild progression' this guy used to increase his winnings due to his low variance... Winning 160 units in 14 spins probably requires some way to determine the optimal size of your bets for the betting opportunities currently more 'effective' than others. Isn't it again some sort of progression?

P.S.
The fella I've mentioned above is gr8player. I found one of his posts here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/arte's-studio/a-christmas-gift-a-bit-late-but-still-a-gift/

[superman]

Each time we login to an RNG game, do we get a new set of random numbers, or do we get a continuation of the last set? do you think it would make any difference anyway?

[gizmotron]

... Winning 160 units in 14 spins probably requires some way to determine the optimal size of your bets for the betting opportunities currently more 'effective' than others. Isn't it again some sort of progression?

P.S.
The fella I've mentioned above is gr8player.

I agree with gr8player almost completely. We arrived at our solutions differently and being different people we relate to the data stream a little different. Add to that that I do play roulette for the multiple data streams.

I didn't use a progression. I attack the most likely scenario while building up the random region I believe was to hit next. My bets ranged from 30 to 50 units average value per spin with a few at 80, that's total combined bets. I covered approximately 50% of the numbers. When in doubt, I bet two dozens at $5 minimum each. Here is an interesting fact for the VB zoners. There are many more connected regions for bet solutions than the single lineal configuration of connected slots on a wheel.

[gizmotron]

Each time we login to an RNG game, do we get a new set of random numbers, or do we get a continuation of the last set? do you think it would make any difference anyway?

As far as it being a continuation I think it continues until a new random seed is inserted. It only makes a difference to those attacking the RNG in order to cheat it.

The way a modern computer makes random numbers is by selecting an original random seed at start up of the application running it. With a CGI on a server the application appears to always be on. Here was the problem for some casinos. After 500,000 selections of random outcomes the sequence began to repeat itself. Attackers figured this out and ran a recognition program in order to find the proper random seed that generated that particular sequence. They then hammered the casinos with the exact sequence and won huge amounts. BTW, this was done against slot machines. So now they have added the randomized random seed layer so that a known or predictable sequence can't be detected.

You should know that anyone can create an RNG game that cheats you. Getting a real simulated random number is not the problem. Having an algorithm that analyzes the bets and selects a few winners for the house, a few losers for the big players, could be done in a ten thousandth of a second without you ever knowing it. It could be triggered by you winning more than the house wanting you to have. It could even be sequenced by knowing your playing style and your betting history from several visits.

[MATTJONO]

 this sort of thread is a great read...so wont babble on with my little wins.

but ill still be following the thread if i dnt reply.



mattjono

[MATTJONO]

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