DVD's with live spins - for VB ?

[Lexxter]

Hi all of you esteemed players !

Kindly ask you to help me with this info :
I saw on Laurance Scott website (advantageplayer. com) a Roulette Spins package of 8 DVD's.  Does anyone have and watched them ? It is said that they could be used to learn VB - are they OK ?
This is the link :
hxxp: store. fastcommerce. com/GamblingCatalog/prod-ff808081175e96dc01176b49485a567c. html


What other products from Laurance Scott could you recommend ?

Many thanks

Lexxter

[Marven]

I have a friend of mine who has the DVD's. I'll ask him if I catch him and report back to you (or ask him to post).

Meanwhile I would assume that they are okay as I have heard no complaints about them.

I would worry about quality if they were VHS video tapes, but they are DVD's with clear shots of different spin conditions, they should be fine I guess.

[Marven]

hmm, it turned out that the quality is nothing spectacular, but Laurence Scott's explanations in the videos make it worthwhile.

Marven says (1:32 AM):
*ok so how are those DVD's?
*I think they used to be video tapes and people complained about the quality

Dave says (1:33 AM):
*well. the quality stinks
*but then again
*anything will suck when you are filming a roulette wheel.

Marven says (1:34 AM):
*true enough

Dave says (1:37 AM):
*To me the real value was having LS explain the VB by talking and touching areas of the wheel showing the crossovers. If the spins vids are just silent spins, then I wouldn't think they would be worth much value. If you think about it the spin is only hold value for one trial. Any predictions after could be biased.
*If it was just spins they want, go to the casino. Quality is amazing and price is free.

Marven says (1:39 AM):
*lol, fair enough

[Davey-Jones]

I haven't seen the single zero spins myself so I can't speak to the quality of them firsthand. But if you are intent on reviewing spins over and over to perfect your method, then they would hold some value. But I don't think people can complain about quality really, as that isn't what makes the spins valuable. What make them worth the money is that you can review them in the privacy of your own home over and over and over. But for me personally, I found much more value in the explanation rather than the spins. Also, I only have one high fret wheel here, so if I need to practice VB I would rather practice on a live Low profile wheel instead as they are much more common.

As for products I would recommend... If you are serious about VB then I would get his literature. I felt it was worth the money. It also comes with access to his private forum, which is packed with useful information. You should be able to learn more than enough to get you well started in the right direction with VB.

[Marven]

But I don't think people can complain about quality really, as that isn't what makes the spins valuable.

Agreed. I think all that matters is that the numbers and ball are visible enough.

Plus seeing as they're DVD's, you should be able to load them into video software for slow-motion spin video analysis etc. (which is good practice too especially when first getting into VB).

[shadowman]

I ordered the 8 dvd s from the same site that hosts Laurances products,  the footage that I received wasnt LS but Bob Gordons spins.  they are great for practice and very clear.  the only gripe that I have is that my DVDs seem to jump around a bit. but no one else seems to have complained about them in the past on the forums. 

The other thing is that the wheels are set at quite a tilt,  which could be a little unrealistic.

Stefano (genuine winner) has pretty good footage for he demonstration of his computor,  cant locate the link off hand but its free at least

hope this helps

Mike

[Lexxter]

Many thanks Marven, Davey-Jones and Shadowman.

So just to be clear, Shadowman : the 8 DVD's are not Laurance Scott's but Bob Gordon's ? Because Marven said : "Laurence Scott's explanations in the videos make it worthwhile. " So it is not his footage but only his voice explaining ? And he explains VB according to his method form the books ?

I've seen Steve Hourmuzis video on his website but there are no explanations.  . . .

Are there also other DVD's with spins and explanations (except Laurance Scott's ) ?

Thank you all.

Lexxter

[Bo0Merang]

If it was just spins they want, go to the casino. Quality is amazing and price is free.  yayap!!!!

[Kelly]

2 of laurance old videos has been transferred to DVDs.  There is a instruction video that shows laurance explain and predict on the wheel and as i recall it book a 20% edge. Then there are a training video with different tilt levels and different wheel speeds. The fastest i think 1.8 - 2.0 and the slowest some 2.6 sec.  They are shot in 1989 or 1990 so i guess the quality is as good as it gets for the time. The other DVDs are from Bob Gordon and is of good quality. I don`t know if you can buy the 2 first mentioned dvds without the paper material. DVDs are great for the learning phase but once the "how to do it" phase is over you need a real wheel.  Its the only way to gain real experience. You will find that real wheels   are much more "alive" than dvd wheels.

[Marven]

Ok thanks Kelly.

I'm practicing a method that relies on head-count so I need constant practice. The more spin videos, the merrier.

A friend of mine (BerlinerBruce) confirmed that Bob Gordon's spin videos are indeed good quality, but I have no idea where I can get those.

[Lexxter]

Thank you very much, Kelly.  I read a lot of your posts on 3 forums and if you allow me to ask you from time to time about some isues related to VB I would be much grateful.

The 2 Laurance DVD's with explanations (Companion and Practice videos) are for 00 rolulette and the 8 DVD's set is for single 0 roulette (which I need).  This is what I asked Shadowman and Marven - if these 8 Bob Gordon DVD's contain also detailed explanations or they are simple spins.  Do you know something about this ? And also, what other good videos (with explanations), if any, could you recommend to learn VB on a single 0 roulette ?

I only read about this subject a lot (especially from you, but not only) on 3 forums and also the book "Get the edge at roulette" by Christopher Pawlicki, where he touches this subject explaining briefly Laurance Scott crossovers.  Are there any other good material to learn VB ?

And also, why are so many VB methods ? Laurance Scott, Jefco, Uwe, Forester's VB2 ? Are they similar (and which one would you recommend to study) ?

I am a beginner and any information would be helpful for me, not to lose time with something inaccurate. . . . This I want to avoid, so if you or anybody could provide some guidance I would be very grateful.

Many thanks and best regards

Lexxter

[Kelly]

Laurance, Jafco and Uwe is basicly the same thing, they just get there different ways. Laurances crossovers are designed for a double zero wheel and fairly fast wheel speeds.  He uses 1X and 2X cross over patterns. Uwes system is the same as Laurances but is designed for single zero and the wheel need the 4 handles on top because  they are used as pointers instead of the zeros that laurance is using. The 4 handles represent 4 x 1/4 of a wheel which means that you can get the same crossovers as laurance but at a slower speed. US has generally faster wheel speeds than Europe and europe has no double zero wheels, so a student of Pierre Basieux, Uwe, developed the 4X pattern using the handles instead.  The cross over detection represents finding a certain ball speed from where you know that the ball has only roughly 4 maybe 5 revoloutions to go. To eliminate the cross overs, laurance developed the acoustic method which is doing the same thing as before but without the crossovers and can be applyed to all wheel speeds and to single zero wheels. You also gets a software with the acoustic method  where you can embed your data and let the software find the ultimate betting model for you. I use it a lot although i dont play the acoustic method and i have quite a few times found opportunitys that i would not have discovered if i hadnt used the software. I dont play any models below 3.5 - 4.0 standard deviations.

Jafco also find the same wheel speed but is using a vibration device for the detection. They all have in common that they detect a certain ball speed.  I think  also Bob Gordon is doing the same thing with his thumper. I don`t know anything about how foresters system works, since i cant dechiffre what he writes and they dont make any logical sense.  I have asked around if anyone with english as first language can enlighten me, but no response. E2 was explained to me on steves board but apparently that was wrong too. One of his systems applys a specific  time interval into the spin, and that works if you stick to 1 wheel speed, if you imply several wheel speeds  it pretty fast becomes very messy because the rotor position doesnt match in the end and the scatter also changes with different speeds, so the actual hit number will have a larger spread compared to your placed bets.

Which way you wanna go is your choice, i cant tell you which one is the best. My experience is that most real players are not as organized as they should be. And then there is the elite players that can tell you  everything about a wheel after a thorough analyse. They will know everything from scatter, tilt degree, pocket bottom material, height of the frets, rotor wobble, each diamonds own scatter average, all scratches on the rotor and turret, all wood vein pattern and locations, ball types used in the casino and their different behaviour etc etc etc

The casino can seperate the rotor and the cylinder and swap them seperately with other wheels at night time but the players will locate both in a few minutes the next day. I would say that there are maybe only 4 - 6 of those players in europe. I had the pleasure to follow and play with  a elite team a couple of years ago. It didn`t make me an elite player and i werent accepted as  an okay player before i managed to pass the 3 SD barrier at ~ 2100 placed bets.  At that time they had very discretely  and with a steady calm hit rate managed to empty the casinos for 6 digit amount in euros. I was in 5 digits below 20K but over 10. As i understand it, the team is split up today because of money arguments and who should get what kind of cut of the winnings. Their "manager" who has posted a bit on GG is not playing anymore and has trouble with his eyesight.

Trust me, its a world that when you get behind the curtains will be far more exciting than any  "21" movie you have ever watched.

[Lexxter]

Wow, Kelly, some answer. . . many many thanks ! Very grateful. . .

I could not find on Scott's website the offer for software with acoustic method. . . How does it function ?

Also, do you know other good DVD's to learn from ?

Shadowman and Marven : these 8 Bob Gordon DVD's contain also detailed explanations or they are simple spins ?
Marven : you can find the 8 DVD's here :
hxxp: store.  fastcommerce.  com/GamblingCatalog/prod-ff808081175e96dc01176b49485a567c.  html
Shadowman said these are Bob Gordon DVD's , not Scott's - is it correct ? We are talking about the same 8 DVD set ?

Thank you all,

Lexxter

[VLSroulette]

Thanks for your valuable time and answer Kelly.

Great, kind gesture of yours towards Lexxter. Thumbs up! 

Laurance, Jafco and Uwe is basicly the same thing, they just get there different ways. Laurances crossovers are designed for a double zero wheel and fairly fast wheel speeds.  He uses 1X and 2X cross over patterns. Uwes system is the same as Laurances but is designed for single zero and the wheel need the 4 handles on top because  they are used as pointers instead of the zeros that laurance is using. The 4 handles represent 4 x 1/4 of a wheel which means that you can get the same crossovers as laurance but at a slower speed. US has generally faster wheel speeds than Europe and europe has no double zero wheels, so a student of Pierre Basieux, Uwe, developed the 4X pattern using the handles instead.  The cross over detection represents finding a certain ball speed from where you know that the ball has only roughly 4 maybe 5 revoloutions to go. To eliminate the cross overs, laurance developed the acoustic method which is doing the same thing as before but without the crossovers and can be applyed to all wheel speeds and to single zero wheels. You also gets a software with the acoustic method  where you can embed your data and let the software find the ultimate betting model for you. I use it a lot although I dont play the acoustic method and I have quite a few times found opportunitys that I would not have discovered if I hadnt used the software. I dont play any models below 3.5 - 4.0 standard deviations.

Jafco also find the same wheel speed but is using a vibration device for the detection. They all have in common that they detect a certain ball speed.  I think  also Bob Gordon is doing the same thing with his thumper. I don`t know anything about how foresters system works, since I cant dechiffre what he writes and they dont make any logical sense.  I have asked around if anyone with english as first language can enlighten me, but no response. E2 was explained to me on steves board but apparently that was wrong too. One of his systems applys a specific  time interval into the spin, and that works if you stick to 1 wheel speed, if you imply several wheel speeds  it pretty fast becomes very messy because the rotor position doesn't match in the end and the scatter also changes with different speeds, so the actual hit number will have a larger spread compared to your placed bets.

Which way you wanna go is your choice, I cant tell you which one is the best. My experience is that most real players are not as organized as they should be. And then there is the elite players that can tell you  everything about a wheel after a thorough analyse. They will know everything from scatter, tilt degree, pocket bottom material, height of the frets, rotor wobble, each diamonds own scatter average, all scratches on the rotor and turret, all wood vein pattern and locations, ball types used in the casino and their different behaviour etc etc etc

The casino can seperate the rotor and the cylinder and swap them seperately with other wheels at night time but the players will locate both in a few minutes the next day. I would say that there are maybe only 4 - 6 of those players in europe. I had the pleasure to follow and play with  a elite team a couple of years ago. It didn`t make me an elite player and I werent accepted as  an okay player before I managed to pass the 3 SD barrier at ~ 2100 placed bets.  At that time they had very discretely  and with a steady calm hit rate managed to empty the casinos for 6 digit amount in euros. I was in 5 digits below 20K but over 10. As I understand it, the team is split up today because of money arguments and who should get what kind of cut of the winnings. Their "manager" who has posted a bit on GG is not playing anymore and has trouble with his eyesight.

Trust me, its a world that when you get behind the curtains will be far more exciting than any  "21" movie you have ever watched.

[Marven]

Kelly,

Nice post. Thank you.

Lexxter,

Thanks for the link, but I'm aware of that one. I just seem to have missed the part where the guys said that THOSE 8 dvd's are in fact Gordon's spins.

I'll consider a purchase.

I think this page is better since it provides a clearer idea about the available packages:
hxxp://  store.fastcommerce.com/GamblingCatalog/cat-ff808081175e96dc01176b476a824faa  .html

As for the acoustic method along with the software, I believe they are available in the advanced package (not the basic one).

[Marven]

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