Signum system EC B&R

[Mr Chips]

1-17-07 session:

1   20    B  
2   1      R   -1
3   7      R    0    M-1
4   27    R   +1
5   23    R   +2   000
6   17    B   +1   M-1
7   19    R    0    M-2   -1
8   26    B   -1    M-3    0
9   32    R   -2    M-4   +1
10  24   B   -3    M-3    0
11  17   B   -2    M-4   -1
12  21   R   -3    M-3    0   ch
13  3     R   -2    M-2   -1   ch
14  3     R   -1    M-3   -2
15  9     R    0    M-4   -3
16  9     R   +1   M-5   -2
17  20   B    0    M-6   -1   ch
18  33   B   +1   M-5   -2   ch
19  20   B   +2   M-6   -1
20  2     B   +3   M-7   -2

Does this look a little better?
Please tell me if I made a mistake somewhere.
droidman

Yes certainly a better result, as it's within the minimum loss of 3 to 4 units.

This is my take on it with a correction in row 17.

[table=,]
Row,#,B or R,+/-/0,P or M,Units
1,20,B,,,
2,1,R,-1,,
3,7,R,0,M-1,
4,27,R,+1,,
5,23,R,+2,OOO,
6,17,B,+1,M-1,
7,19,R,0,M-2,-1
8,26,B,-1,M-3,0
9,32,R,-2,M-4,+1
10,24,B,-3,M-3,0
11,17,B,-2,M-4,-1
12,21,R,-3,M-3,0,check
13,3,R,-2,M-2,-1,check
14,3,R,-1,M-3,-2,
15,9,R,0,M-4,-1
16,9,R,+1,M-5,0
17,20,B,0,M-4,-1
18,33,B,+1,M-3,0
[/table]

At the first check 0, the session is going through a C phase and a possible difficult session.

A further check in the next row, confirms the difficulty. In such a session it's very important
to look carefully how the C pattern is developing. Also if any information becomes available
from column 3 and 4.

The change in row 13, M-2 will cause a loss or two in the next couple of rows until some
further pattern develops. When in doubt go with the flow, M-2,M-3,M-4. It could easily have
gone M-2,M-3,M-2. Such sessions could well incur a loss, as they are very difficult to work out.
The run of Reds helped up to row 16.

It's essential to exit such sessions at the earliest opportunity and to break even is a good result.

[Mr Chips]

Hi Richard,

I feel the need to ask you a question before I read through the link to your system and the post's from these good people and that question is why does your system win?

You see it's not that I am lazy, it's just that I haven't actually come across a system which beats the numbers on this wonderful puzzle which we call Roulette within this forum!?

I believe your answer would give more incentive for people to look at your system than incentive would give for the people to look at your system. If you get my meaning, which I'm sure you do.

Looking forward to your help,

Kind regards

Werdna

Hi Werdna,

Casino's are understandably confident in offering high value bets on Black and Red, as they are certain
(mathematicians have told them so!), that there can never be a long term solution in deciding whether
to bet Black or Red.

It is as you put it a "wonderful puzzle" and in fact a gigantic puzzle calling for a complex solution and there
is only Black and Red to solve it.

Supposing then we introduce two symbols say P & M. What if any difference would that make? The difference
is that P & M would not develop in the same was as B & R. In order for P & M to function, that is for example
to rise and fall, the correct B or R would have to appear. The focus then is not on B & R, but on the symbols
P & M. It therefore does not matter if there is a long Black sequence for example and whether bets should
be placed on Black or gamble on Red coming in soon. Also if there is a complicated mix of B & R, it won't
affect the symbols, as for example for P to rise from P+7 to P+8, it could well require a Black to come in,
or a Red, depending on a particular session.

In most cases then it is much easier to make decisions using the symbols P&M than just B&R and for that
reason to identify sufficient B&R in most sessions to make a profit in the long term.

There is also an additional advantage in that the symbols P&M, create patterns and in Signum terminology
they are referred to as Formations A, B, C, D & E. It is therefore possible to know the type of Formation at
anytime during a session, which will help during the decision making process.

Signum then offers a unique solution to solving the B&R problem and there are a sufficient number of
winning sessions to make a profit in the long term, certainly by a skilful Signum player.

Kind Regards

Richard

[simon]

I am baffled too as to what the rationale is to winning bets with this system, even after reading above explanation.  It sounds like the even chances are converted to something else and then we look for certain trends to continue, or not, so it is basically a trend based system.

Can it be used for any even chance?  Does it have to be red/black?  Could all the even chances be played at once?  Does it have to be a real wheel, or can the system be applied to electronic/virtual /RNG wheels?

If it is a system for any even chance bet, and it is a flat bet system, then wouldn't it be better to apply it to Banker/Player at Baccarat?  (better odds than roulette)

(Mr. Chips, I know you are not that familiar with Baccarat but it is a simple game, especially mini-bac, you don't even have to touch the cards or do anything, you just choose Banker or Player and it is basically an even chance game, almost like flipping a coin and calling heads or tails.) (yes I know bac players that banker has a very slight advantage and there is a tie bet too, but for the most part it is similar to betting red/black or any even chance, without the zeroes, just a small "tax" on the winning banker bets.) (and I have played mini-bac a lot and have seen player dominate and many long runs of player, so, again, sorry to go on about bac but from my many sessions at mini-bac I believe it can be approached as an even chance bet, for the purposes of this discussion.)

[Mr Chips]

I am baffled too as to what the rationale is to winning bets with this system, even after reading above explanation.  It sounds like the even chances are converted to something else and then we look for certain trends to continue, or not, so it is basically a trend based system.

Can it be used for any even chance?  Does it have to be red/black?  Could all the even chances be played at once?  Does it have to be a real wheel, or can the system be applied to electronic/virtual /RNG wheels?

If it is a system for any even chance bet, and it is a flat bet system, then wouldn't it be better to apply it to Banker/Player at Baccarat?  (better odds than roulette) (Mr. Chips, I know you are not that familiar with Baccarat but it is a simple game, especially mini-bac, you don't even have to touch the cards or do anything, you just choose Banker or Player and it is basically an even chance game, almost like flipping a coin and calling heads or tails.) (yes I know bac players that banker has a very slight advantage and there is a tie bet too, but for the most part it similar to betting red/black or any even chance, without the zeroes, just a small "tax" on the winning banker bets.)

I don't know why your baffled. I seem to recall some remark you made about the website that it's "cryptic",
something like that. If that was the case no one would understand it and that has proved to be not so.

If you go to the section 'Intro to P&M', it refers for example that a sequence of the M symbol is much easier
to follow than a  series of B & R, is that not so, unless you can demonstrate the opposite view?

I have only concentrated on B&R. Yes most probably the other EC can be used. The system was designed for
use in a b&m casino, so it has to be practical for that purpose. Using more than one EC would make it
incredibly complex in what is already a complex system and it is easy to make errors.

I did briefly look at the possibility of Baccarat, as someone else suggested it and if you look back to page 6,
reply 87 I offered to pursue it further in the Bac section if there was any interest.

I don't know if it could be applied to Baccarat, but as I mentioned in the previous post I got a +4 and +6,
but I know nothing about the length of a session and what in unit terms is considered a good win.

[simon]

well to be fair I have not studied the system at all and I am way behind in this class and I can see that others are proceeding ahead and excelling at lightning speed so I will try to study the system and this thread in earnest and see how it goes.  the b&m casino is an hour away and I have a virtual roulette machine 20 minutes away and my time is limited so I am still interested in knowing if the system could work with rng. thanks.

[droidman]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for pointing out my mistake, of course the previous +1, 0 and then
the +1, 0 at rows 16-17 makes a P-mode move. At least I understand
the mechanics of P and M better now.

Speaking of mistakes, I think I found another one on the website.
Session B2, row 9 col. 5, there's a blank where an M-1 might be.

driodman

[Mr Chips]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for pointing out my mistake, of course the previous +1, 0 and then
the +1, 0 at rows 16-17 makes a P-mode move. At least I understand
the mechanics of P and M better now.

Speaking of mistakes, I think I found another one on the website.
Session B2, row 9 col. 5, there's a blank where an M-1 might be.

driodman

Thanks, I have removed a couple of pages and will amend them over the weekend.

[Bruce]

This is pretty tricky. If someone could help me out...

Session A2, row 15.

P is clearly on the incline, so why do we bet against it continuing?

[Mr Chips]

This is pretty tricky. If someone could help me out...

Session A2, row 15.

P is clearly on the incline, so why do we bet against it continuing?

Yes you are right P is clearly on the incline. Sometimes there is conflicting information.

There will many occasions when the decision to bet against an incline is correct, this of course was
not one of them. The reason for the decision is the fact that P had not increased above +3 so far
in the session.

It was a profitable session, so the decision didn't greatly affect the overall result. I have on many
occasions managed to get a profit from really difficult C sessions, where P or M has not gone above
+3, -3 and proved to be a really good bit of information.

[lucky_strike]

Dear Mr Chips.

I took a look at your site and just would like to ask one question because i want to check some-thing.

Do you know how many placed bets that was made by the the results you have and how much you gain?

Thanks.

LS

[Marven]

Hi LS,

I asked the same question and this was Richard's answer:

"I don't record number of bets as I am only interested in the actual profit from a session."

[Landis]

Why should it work? 

[Bruce]

Yes you are right P is clearly on the incline. Sometimes there is conflicting information.

There will many occasions when the decision to bet against an incline is correct, this of course was
not one of them. The reason for the decision is the fact that P had not increased above +3 so far
in the session.

It was a profitable session, so the decision didn't greatly affect the overall result. I have on many
occasions managed to get a profit from really difficult C sessions, where P or M has not gone above
+3, -3 and proved to be a really good bit of information.

Thanks for the help

So if we are in a difficult C session, and we are between +3 and -3, we should bet to stay between these parameters?

[Mr Chips]

Dear Mr Chips.

I took a look at your site and just would like to ask one question because I want to check some-thing.

Do you know how many placed bets that was made by the the results you have and how much you gain?

Thanks.

LS

Hi LS

As Marven has said I am only interested in the profit from a system.

I have been down the standard deviation road and other such theoretical nonsense, where even if you break
even on a number of occasions and a number of profitable sessions apparently the system is close to
losing or should be showing a loss.

I always produce verifiable results showing a profit or loss, to me that is the reality of roulette.

Regards

Richard

[Mr Chips]

Why should it work? 

Why shouldn't it work? What would make it fail after all these years?

[Mr Chips]

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