My meeting with Twocando at the casino

[GARNabby]

To Garnabby - This is posted in the General section not the full system section. So you did not have to read it expecting a system. You didn't have to reply to the post either.....that was even a bigger waste of time to you.

To Number 6 - Not sure if it was a civilized last post or still a stab at me. Saying that you once called me a moron but BECAUSE I'm an oldie you apologised. No need to apologise then mate. I know where I stand with you now.

Cheese - Believe what you like, I couldn't care less.

Cheers
Jakk

Jak,

Lighten up... replies go with the terrority.

No one is trying to hurt anyone here.

And how we handle ourselves afterward is as indicative as before.  Sometimes the hardest thing to deal with is winning, itself.

[Number Six]

What if all this "straight shooting" is about a few (temporarily) lucky persons therefore wasting a lot of time...

Maybe. Yes, in reality probably. People don't like having their bubbles burst - nothing to do with this thread.

[balint]

*Now you stop playing that particular system. Switch. How do you know you're not walking out of one downswing and straight into another? You don't. That is why it's a game of luck.*

How do we know, we are  not walking  out of one downswing and straight into another?

Because (I) we don t  play entirely mechanical  the  Systems, as you sure think,  we do not jump directly
into the other system without take a deep  look before place the bets, example  can  make an Lw
registry before bet, and bet only at the right moment( here occurs the Human Decision  , H D),
I  can tell you sure that - H D  and   Lw s   helps us(system  players)  a lot.
Just my opinion.  

[VLS]

Hello guys, just letting you know Twocando has shared his system "Linear betting - the wheel and carpet" : at this link.

Regards.

[Noble Savage]

Good method from Twocando. I have decent experience with this type of play.

It won't always work though due to the nature of modern wheels (scatter behavior, diamond behavior, changing wheel/ball speeds, etc).

If you want this to be reliable you need to play the VB version that Twocando suggested.

- Learn the wheel layout.
- Learn how to use a thumper of headcount for measuring and reacting to wheel speed in real time.
- Do a scatter analysis (your edge evaporates on wheels with completely random scatter).
- Do diamond analysis (your edge evaporates on level wheels where diamonds hit randomly).

Remember, it's the wheel that causes dealer signature, not the dealer.

[Noble Savage]

Maybe. Yes, in reality probably. People don't like having their bubbles burst - nothing to do with this thread.

What if all this "straight shooting" is about a few (temporarily) lucky persons therefore wasting a lot of time...

Hence the need for establishing statistical significance first.

Never attack a wheel where you don't have a real edge.

Refer to Laurence Scott and his RA software for an example.

[gizmotron]

Remember, it's the wheel that causes dealer signature, not the dealer.

H'm? I would suggest that randomness has clouded your opinion with magical belief. The speed of the wheel is a common speed reset by many experienced dealers. The release and speed of the ball release can be a monotonously similar speed and location too. The dealer can be letting it go because the green just past in the corner of her/his eye. I suggest that the wheel has nothing to do with dealer signature. A wheel type might have typical coincidences in common with the same type. Dealers pick up style from mentors. Mentors train dealers that some day become mentors.

[Noble Savage]

H'm? I would suggest that randomness has clouded your opinion with magical belief. The speed of the wheel is a common speed reset by many experienced dealers. The release and speed of the ball release can be a monotonously similar speed and location too. The dealer can be letting it go because the green just past in the corner of her/his eye. I suggest that the wheel has nothing to do with dealer signature. A wheel type might have typical coincidences in common with the same type. Dealers pick up style from mentors. Mentors train dealers that some day become mentors.

You just know it all don't you.

The dealer's "style" is nothing compared to the right wheel conditions (mainly DD and scatter). It's not the dealer that allows DS to happen but the wheel. If you can't figure out why then you shouldn't be making statements in  field you haven't studied in the first place.

[gizmotron]

You just know it all don't you.

The dealer's "style" is nothing compared to the right wheel conditions (mainly DD and scatter). It's not the dealer that allows DS to happen but the wheel. If you can't figure out why then you shouldn't be making statements in  field you haven't studied in the first place.

I know enough to tell you. You strike me as being more wannabe than expert.

Here is what you said: "Remember, it's the wheel that causes dealer signature, not the dealer. "

You just went from "causes" to "allows." There is a difference. ...and yes, I studied the field long before there was an internet. It's one of the reasons I had to know if randomness was more powerful than bias or physics. Randomness does things that bias and physics can never do. You jump to conclusions and yet you have this bottom line signature about science: "Truth and science triumph over ignorance and superstition." You are about as effective as a Global Warming scientist.

Beware of the next big scary thing: Wobble Globing.

[Noble Savage]

You strike me as being more wannabe than expert.

I'm no "expert". I'm a student and will always be.

Here is what you said: "Remember, it's the wheel that causes dealer signature, not the dealer. "

You just went from "causes" to "allows." There is a difference.

I meant both.

To put it simply:

- On the right wheel, DS may happen with ANY dealer (or any person who knows how to spin).
- DS can't happen on ANY wheel though. Let an expert super-consistent dealer spin on a level wheel with unmanageable scatter, you'll get no DS.

Do you know why/how?

Of course you do, you're an expert at everything. You can beat randomness.

[gizmotron]

Do you know why/how?

Of course you do, you're an expert at everything. You can beat randomness.

I know why, because I built a real world simulation of a wheel as a computer program. I have not missed the discussions on the new wheels being used by casinos either. I can beat randomness and you can't beat the new wheels. I don't see a problem there. You are all wound up to get even with me. Sorry, that's a dumb idea too. You keep up the dumb idea consortium's end. That's your job. Gads, I had no idea what a newbie you are. Every conclusion you make for then next few years will be obscured by your own assumptions. Enjoy the wild ride. It's worth taking it.

[Noble Savage]

I can beat randomness and you can't beat the new wheels.

Okay.

Can't believe I'm arguing with a child.

[gizmotron]

Okay.

You actually think that I am clueless because math says I must lose in the long run. Yet you are some neophyte wannabe with an attitude. You are just a bug on the floor to be squashed. You math zoners need to forget about people like me. I'm the nightmare that haunts your endless supply of assumptions. Get lost.

[Noble Savage]

You actually think that I am clueless because math says I must lose in the long run. Yet you are some neophyte wannabe with an attitude. You are just a bug on the floor to be squashed. You math zoners need to forget about people like me. I'm the nightmare that haunts your endless supply of assumptions. Get lost.

I pushed the right button.

[gizmotron]

I pushed the right button.

You pushed the "Easy Button." Letting you carry on that you think you know whats happening is the very worst thing you can do for yourself. Go ahead, keep on thinking you have it all figured out. Nothing would please me more. Have you discovered extreme sports for yourself yet? Perhaps you should try mountain climbing. You should find out what others have done and do that too. After all, you are a noble savage, LOL 

[gizmotron]

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