Yet Another Form of Gamblers Fallacy!

[loungeplayer]

hi Sniper, thanks.   I am still learning...

I believe Carlos is more accurate with his current method.    Also want to thank Kimo for his sharing of knowledge and ideas.

[Kyla Shooter]

"it is very obvious AP is the only way to beat roulette" >>> Whatever helps you sleep better at night bro.   I know I win (without AP), thats the important thing to me.  Ken

plenty of people win all the time without using ap.  anyone who walks up to a roulette table can see it happen all the time.  why the debate?

[Jakkalsdraai]

Because those same people who you see win at the tables today win 5k and loose 7 k tomorrow. Very few people who play roulette admit when they loose.

[Mr J]

Thats an OPINION Jakkalsdraai, which we all appreciate, thank you. Just the same as AP (cough). Lots of talk about chocolate covered dreams of making decent money using such non-sense as AP. I'm sure AP (cough) worked fine in 1924. What happens after people FAIL at creating a decent method? They HIDE behind....Bu Bu Bu Bu BUT, I'm an advantage player, really I am, all is well.  Ken

[Jakkalsdraai]

That is your OPINION Ken, which we all appreciate, thank you. Yet whether you like to believe that AP techniques work or not, you yourself definately have no experience with AP. This is pretty clear to me anyway. So how can you form an OPINION about something you pretty much know nothing of?

[Mr J]

Your logic is flawed. Just because I have never studied AP? I have also never slapped a grizzly bear on the nose but I know when something is wrong/stupid. AP (cough) is a joke and MOST experienced gamblers know that. This is 2010, not 1924.  Ken

[Jakkalsdraai]

Again that is your OPINION. Thank you for that! You might THINK that my logic is flawed but I know that yours is non-existant. Guess that is an OPINION as well.

What you know of AP like you have admitted yourself is zip. Maybe first understand something before attacking it. 

[Jean-Claud]

Jackkal
Do u remember that I tought U some things in AP?(VB)
Anyway My expirience and training in VB is very good.
Till now(and maby forever) the VB and the Bias play is the ONLY way to gain a real advantage!

But now days it is a very difitult task...if not an impossible....

The only way for an AP to succed these days is to have HUGE patience and HUGE mood to search among a lottttttt of wheels to find the very rare good conditions.
The APer must also have the money and the mood and the time to travel the world to find these rare conditions.
He must also have the patience and the mood to play the "Cat and Mouse" game with the Casino eyes from the sky and Pit bosses.

As I have posted a lot of times the AP was perfect way to make u Rich before the 80s....because:
Casinos wasn t aware of what give the advantage to these players,because they didn t know for sure that there were AP....

If the AP was still a way to make steady money,There wouldn t be sellers that would sell their VB methods and their RCs....

Casinos know all now...until a new way will be descovered,these ways of AP is a past...

I am WITH the APers and not AGENSTS them!
Do u think that it is a good thing for me to be trained for 2 years in it and now NOT having the Conditions to make the money and the time that I spent on it give me the JUICES that I was expecting?

But I don t feel sad about it...because learning how to calculate 2 oposite objects with various speeds and adding a distance was for me a GREAT thing that made my phisics horisons wider.

[Jakkalsdraai]

So far I have been to 4 different casinos around here. All of them had wheels or a wheel with the correct conditions.

Except for myself I have met up with some other guys from all over the World and in first World Countries (Not physically met but on MSN) They all have there places where they go and play. Yes you taught me some basics (basically all from Jafco without his cards) but now I have more advance methods taught and being taught to me by these gentlemen. Still I am but a novice but I'm already doing well.

It's al about patience, persistance and being professional.

[Jean-Claud]

Before 6 months I bought a Wheel.I needed to extent my skills and play in various tilts ,rotor speeds and scatters..
 I was giving to the wheel 1 pin tilt and 2 pins tilt...I can playVB with a VERY High margin!
I had tested all the FFs Roulette computers and I am having better advantage from them and I am also ready to play in about 10 spins (strike point) wile with the FFs I have to do PS and PS and all the time retune!
 With VB I can play without effort....It has become my 2nd nature! Give me a wheel with DD(1 or 2) and a reasonable scatter and I will make U millions!!!!

But when I am going to my 2 local casinos that they have 30 wheels each I can t find ANYWARE the corretc condition to give with VB at least a LITTLE advantage!
The balls are JUMMPING like CRAZY!!!! No tilts!!!!!

I found 1 time a wheel that was hitting 6 of 10 in the same DD...and I recoreded about 60 spins...the TILT was still there after 60 spins.....I said to my self..."Oh my God I will come back tomorow and I make MILLIONS!
And in the next day the same wheel(I observed the scars) was LEVELED!!!!

So I just went homme without playing a single spin.....

HOW can I drive a FERRARY without having the write ROADS???

Jakkal
U are very new to this...time will show U everything.....
We have a wise phraze here " In the position that U are now I was before and where i am now u will come later"

[Jakkalsdraai]

Teo I know how long you have been around. I am also on Forester's forum. What you think I know and what I know are two different things believe me. Anyhow I'm not having a pissing contest. I definately did not have Jafco's stuff so you definately helped me there.

[Jean-Claud]

I never gave u Jafco cards....I just told u how to make ur own cards...which is better!

[Jakkalsdraai]

Teo....let's leave it there mate. I know what is written in the Jafco course. Someone was so kind as to show me. And yes you never gave me the cards. That is correct. You did however claim these methods to be your own cause you knew I did not have Jafco's stuff at the time. You deceived me by claiming to be somebody else and you also made some incredible claims .... remember? Again though even through all of the lies and BS I still appreciated the couple of lessons. It definately did give me insight in saving time with rotor timing.

Having said all of that. I don't for on second believe that you are such a great (second nature) vb expert as you claim.

Let's leave it there though.

[Jean-Claud]

LOL
As I told u time will show u if u can make steady income with VB.

Ps.The way that I told u how to make cards for rotor I never claimed that this is MY way....This is the way of every VB player..they just memorize the positions without having to make cards..this is the how I am doing it now(without cards)...but the cards is the biggeners way....

I am, glad that I helped u....

[Jakkalsdraai]

Lol, you might just be the most thick skin person I know. Water of a duck's back come's to mind 

[Jakkalsdraai]

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