Winning at Roulette with a system is very possible.

[Mr J]

Thats a good point Spike. I have to be very clear !!!!! We'll say 5 days of play. Each day I will bring 3K exactly, no more. (15K total). I'll assume a loss of 3K. My NET should be around $2,500-$3,200 for the 4 days of wins, also depending on number of hours per day played. This is what I mean regarding definitions.....does that mean I win long term or just lucky for those 5 days? Ken

[elmo]

LOL, Steve should send the "boys" around to the casino for the protection money.
Keeping all the big hitters away from the casino and posting on here. They must thank god every night!

[Mr J]

Another thing regarding Herb. Assuming anyone would go to LV to watch him, doesn't he need like a 6 week head start so he can watch wheels spin, jotting down info?  Ken

[elmo]

I think if you are just into looking for bias, it can obviously take a while, but the real pro's who are into stuff like wheel defects etc.. can pick up on things a lot quicker.

[Mr J]

......and all the while, casino staff notices nothing. lol  Ken

[elmo]

It pays to be open minded. I read about a few AP methods a while back. One of them was pretty simple and just more or less had you looking at alternating pocket distances. So I made up a little disc and decided to give it a try at the table. Within 5 minutes of using it, the inspector watching over the table was in the managers ear. After about 25-30 minutes of good luck where I won a few hundred, the manager came over and told me I was not allowed to use any kind of aperatus at the table. So what was the difference between what I was doing and someone marking down the numbers. If they caught someone with a computer, they would probably run them out of town, lol.

[elmo]

The point is I deliberately did it all out in the open to see what kind of reaction I got and I certainly got some attention, lol. So it proves to me that the casino are looking out for this stuff. On saying that a real pro is going to be discrete while going about his business.

[elmo]

So here's a question for you Ken. In a casino where it is perfectly ok for me to write down the numbers on a scorecard, why was I not allowed to use a little tracker wheel which was highlighting the pocket distances that the ball was travelling in different directions. What is the difference in that?
Anybody can answer that by the way.

[Mr J]

"In a casino where it is perfectly ok for me to write down the numbers on a scorecard, why was I not allowed to use a little tracker wheel which was highlighting the pocket distances that the ball was travelling in different directions" >>> First off, thats assuming the story is true, I wasn't there.  Second, how do you know its not just THAT floor person (or pit) on THAT shift in THAT casino, on THAT particular day, had an issue with it? Ken

[elmo]

For what it's worth, my opinion is that it's because they thought I was trying to gain an unfair advantage over the house. Yet any player who is just writing the numbers down, that is fine by them. So they are acknowledging that there are certain types of play that are acceptable and certain types of play that are not. That is the logical conclusion. When I started winning, it only took 20 minutes for the manager himself to come over and have a word.
I believe that if I did that again at the same casino, my membership would be terminated.

[Mr J]

"So they are acknowledging that there are certain types of play that are acceptable and certain types of play that are not" >>> They? I thought it was one person? Same question again....how do you know its not just THAT floor person (or pit) on THAT shift in THAT casino, on THAT particular day, had an issue with it? Ken

[elmo]

"They? I thought it was one person?"

here is what I said.

"Within 5 minutes of using it, the inspector watching over the table was in the managers ear."

Obviously the reason they had an issue with it is because I was winning and also some of the other players were watching what I was doing as well.
So in 20+ years of playing roulette all over the world, I have never being stopped once from writing down numbers but as soon as I am using this little disc with a rotating dial on it and just betting around 6 numbers which are next to each other on the physical wheel, and you think it's maybe just because that particular inspector and manager had a problem with it. LOL. I have to say I think that's ridiculous. These people are trained to look out for these things and they did not dissapoint me, lol.

[Mr J]

"the inspector watching over the table" >>> Thats ONE person and THEN talking to the manager. How many times did you use the disc....at how many casinos, over what period of time, how many different shifts? Ken

[Spike!]

If they caught someone with a computer, they would probably run them out of town, lol.>>

In Nevada, its prison for 5 years if you use a cheating device.

[Spike!]

So here's a question for you Ken. In a casino where it is perfectly ok for me to write down the numbers on a scorecard, why was I not allowed to use a little tracker wheel which was highlighting the pocket distances that the ball was travelling in different directions. What is the difference in that?
Anybody can answer that by the way.

If you were losing, they would never say a word. They were just backing you off because you were winning, and tracker was a good excuse.

[Spike!]

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