Conditional Probability

[Spike!]

The reason using past spins works is called Conditional Probability (look it up), which is:

"The probability of A occurring, given that B has occurred."

"Conditional probability is the probability of some event A, given the occurrence of some other event B."

Done correctly, it gives you huge a advantage. Its not supposed to work on independent outcomes, so what you need to do is pretend the outcomes are not independent and go from there. The key word is 'pretend'.



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[gizmotron]

It's called combinations and connections. I'm now convinced that groupings the size of 3, 4, or 5 numbers per group, making up ten total groups to cover the entire wheel, leads an intelligent observer to finding more frequent elegant patterns.

Having seen the mentality of the debating society I thought it was a good idea to leave you all in the dust. I just laid an incredible simple truth in your laps and you won't know what to do with it. Most of you will react to it badly. The way you always do. This kind of thinking is the conversation level that should be happening but it never will. I play a brilliant strategy of grinding until the wheel makes a victim of itself. All because of combinations and connections. The math oriented bozos would have you believe that nothing can connect and there are never combinations. They are freaks of nature stuck in a magical belief system of rigid confined isolationism. The problem here is they want everyone to march like jack booted automatons, to their dull and monotonous rhythm.

[Slade]

Gizmo, I have success breaking the wheel down into quads, 4 nine number sections.   Have tried smaller groupings, but seem to fare better with the larger size.   I'm not sure what you mean by elegant patterns, but using past spins to help determine your next bet selection is the only way I know how to win.

[Spike!]

I play a brilliant strategy of grinding until the wheel makes a victim of itself.>>>

Very fitting, 'victim of itself'. Indeed..

>>The math oriented bozos would have you believe that nothing can connect and there are never combinations.>>

When just the opposite is true, if you learn to look at it properly.

[gizmotron]

Gizmo, I have success breaking the wheel down into quads, 4 nine number sections.   Have tried smaller groupings, but seem to fare better with the larger size.   I'm not sure what you mean by elegant patterns, but using past spins to help determine your next bet selection is the only way I know how to win.

An elegant pattern is any sequence that acts like it gives you the exact information needed to act as it does. In that way you know what will happen next and for a short while, say ten to twenty more spins. A really good one will last for thirty spins, and that does happen.

I use ten groups, 1,11,21,31 - 2,12,22,32 - 3,13,23,33 - .... 9,19,29 - 0,00,10,20,30. These groups are based on the last digit in each class being the same. A person can relate to them without much work at all. They can track with the wheel's marquee without much effort at all. Sometimes the randomness characteristic is the same three or four classes hitting for a long streak.

[Spike!]

Christiaan Huygens wrote the first book on probability theory. My hero....

[Herb6]

Pretty silly stuff guys, considering roulette is a game of independent trials. 

[Spike!]

Pretty silly stuff guys, considering roulette is a game of independent trials. 

Poor Herbie, you think he'd get tired of running into the walls of the maze he put himself into, like a lab rat. But no, he seems to love it, being eternally perplexed is very calming to some people..

[Slade]

I'm surprised to hear that you don't group your numbers based on where they lie on the wheel itself.   My experience has led me to look for certain sections of the wheel (9 number quadrants) getting hot and staying in that section for sometimes as much as an hour or more.   Rapid roulette has been a godsend to me as the dealers seem to get in more of a routine there, as they are spinning close to 60 spins an hour.   

I don't see the significance of the numbers you have chosen.   So your way of play could include any sets of numbers, yours were just chosen as they were easy to remember.   I know this is contrary to what you and Spike think, but I think you would have even better success if you chose your numbers based on wheel location instead of numbers that end in 1, 2 or 3.

[gizmotron]

I'm surprised to hear that you don't group your numbers based on where they lie on the wheel itself.   My experience has led me to look for certain sections of the wheel (9 number quadrants) getting hot and staying in that section for sometimes as much as an hour or more.   Rapid roulette has been a godsend to me as the dealers seem to get in more of a routine there, as they are spinning close to 60 spins an hour.   

I don't see the significance of the numbers you have chosen.   So your way of play could include any sets of numbers, yours were just chosen as they were easy to remember.   I know this is contrary to what you and Spike think, but I think you would have even better success if you chose your numbers based on wheel location instead of numbers that end in 1, 2 or 3.

I do watch the disk based sections. I have a set based on the zeros, a set based on 90 degrees away from the zeros, and four spokes in between those larger two sets of two. I just never talk about them. BTW, there is no difference between disk based groups and table based groups. At least on a real wheel that is. Randomness does its thing no matter what or where the grouping comes from. The point is not to have magical beliefs but to have real awareness of current conditions.

[mistarlupo]

I use ten groups, 1,11,21,31 - 2,12,22,32 - 3,13,23,33 - .... 9,19,29 - 0,00,10,20,30. These groups are based on the last digit in each class being the same. A person can relate to them without much work at all. They can track with the wheel's marquee without much effort at all. Sometimes the randomness characteristic is the same three or four classes hitting for a long streak.

It just does not give you any advantage. Basically, your theory above is the same as your sleeping dozen concept (a dozen is sleeping for some time and you bet on the other two) which, of course, does not increase the hit-rate.

[Jakkalsdraai]

VB ----------- guy on the left                                                              EG ------------------------guy on the right.............
                                                                         

[gizmotron]

It just does not give you any advantage. Basically, your theory above is the same as your sleeping dozen concept (a dozen is sleeping for some time and you bet on the other two) which, of course, does not increase the hit-rate.

Yeah? So you know all this because you can't read randomness, you don't believe that elegant patterns occur, and you are convinced that everything is the result of independent events. And people around here are supposed to take you for real. You are trying to give advice while having no clue how things really work. You are just like a liberal / progressive in America that completely believes that government spending drives the economy in a growth pattern. When in fact it has the effect of stifling growth every time it's attempted. For some reason the magical belief in government is an independent trial. Now these people believe in their theory no matter how many times it is attempted. It has failed every time it was attempted. Your problem is that the few of us that can use randomness as a tool have very little to concern ourselves with in your magical beliefs. It won't effect us if you remain clueless.

[mistarlupo]

I'm an open-minded person and know that outcomes created by pseudo-random generator, such as roulette, can be predicted. I'm also okay with the elegant patterns, I see them (but I can't predict them like you do).

And people around here are supposed to take you for real. You are trying to give advice while having no clue how things really work.

Hm, that's interesting. I thought you were the one trying to convince us take your theories for real. When I make a statement, such as the one in my previous post, I can back it up with an evidence (and I did). You don't do that, you just talk and no one believes you. That's fine for you, you don't care... But you don't have the right to say I have no clue how things work. Because I can prove you that "the same three or four classes hitting for a long streak" does not give you any advantage. And I doubt you'll ever prove me wrong. We knooow, you don't have to, no need to say it.

[gizmotron]

I'm an open-minded person and know that outcomes created by pseudo-random generator, such as roulette, can be predicted. I'm also okay with the elegant patterns, I see them (but I can't predict them like you do).

I don't predict them. I just remain prepared to attack them when they occur. They do this all by themselves. I wait for them. It only takes one wrong guess to confirm that they are not a perfect pattern. But until that wrong guess happens they are perfectly effective at 100%. It's like having permission to rob a bank.

Hm, that's interesting. I thought you were the one trying to convince us take your theories for real. When I make a statement, such as the one in my previous post, I can back it up with an evidence (and I did). You don't do that, you just talk and no one believes you. That's fine for you, you don't care... But you don't have the right to say I have no clue how things work. Because I can prove you that "the same three or four classes hitting for a long streak" does not give you any advantage. And I doubt you'll ever prove me wrong. We knooow, you don't have to, no need to say it.

I can prove you wrong right now. 10 different classes that make up the 38 numbers on the wheel create different forms of patterns than just three dozens or three columns do. You can get many more combinations and connections that fit together as formations from the 10 classes. And this most of all. You are clueless. You confirm it while you constantly attempt to disprove things with just your opinion. There is no other way to see this. Either I'm right or you are right. Either I'm wrong or you are wrong. I'm the one that goes into a casino and does it. You are just a mouth with an opinion that is clueless.

[gizmotron]

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