why ap doesn't work

[Kyla Shooter]

since 2007 i have come into contact with 3 nutbars who were convinced they could predict numbers based on ball movements, speeds, angle of the sun, you name it. it was a complete joke, but they were convinced and they tried hard to convince me. something didn't sit well with me at all. to me, i don't care who you are, if you can't win in a game during your "best" conditions then something is wrong. just standing by a wheel telling predictions after the dealer calls nmb's doesn't count either.
so what did i do? i had them take me to their best table and i mopped the floor with them. watching them try and fail was not as fun as me beating them with my strategy too. of the 3 so-called "ap's", 2 outright lost and the other just barely broke even. then the excuses came. varying speeds, ball types, sector shooting, short term "random" fluctuations. it was kinda embarassing to watch if i were to be honest.
so when it comes to so called advantage player's, i am not going to hold my breath. if my strategy can beat them as badly as it did and i am supposed to be the uniformed gambler, why the hell would i want to become an informed losing one.

[Mr J]

"then the excuses came" >>> BINGO. You caught him on a bad day OR "this is such a short term test, it really cant be counted". lol That ball (usually, not always) is FLYING around in the OPPOSITE direction of the wheel. Bouncing and slamming, bouncing and slamming. Anyone who believes in such non-sense as VB/DS, needs to get their head checked. Perhaps low on vitamins or something.  Ken

[Mr J]

I want to touch on DS/VB (and clocking).....later, my opinion regarding 'bias wheels'. (cough) Keep in mind this is my STRONG opinion, I'll keep it short and to the POINT. I have not traveled to 13 different countries, played in 49 different casinos, on 114 different roulette tables....NOR HAVE YOU.

Dealer signature is pure BS, sorry to the ex-method guys that have GIVEN UP and hoping to find salvation elsewhere. I can SOMEWHAT understand the interest in DS but in terms of it being practical, no way! There are way too many variables involved. The speed of the wheel, the speed of the ball, both going in opposite directions, scatter etc.

All of the bouncing off the pockets and deflectors. Quite a few times I have seen the ball hit 'whatever'.....and its now going in the SAME direction as the wheel! lol All that put aside, you're gonna tell me that after watching 'certain' dealers over "X" number of spins/weeks/months etc., you have found a certain PATTERN with that dealer? A load of BS, plain and simple.

If it were true, I would be studying it more than any other poster here. Like I said, TOO MANY conditions for it to work. Yes I know (dont give me the speach) the betting is for a section, maybe 8-12 numbers and NOT one particular number, I know. Regardless, its still a load of garbage. The videos I have seen.....we have all seen these demonstrations.

The issue? I RARELY see a wheel AND ball rotating that damn slow. I own a wheel, I would love to see this SKILL at my place with ME spinning the wheel AND ball. Lets see how good you are then. lol I'm not trying to argue on this issue. This will be posted on a couple different boards and at some time later, my comments on 'bias wheel'. (cough). I strongly believe that some like to HIDE behind the title of AP (advantage play). It seems the title alone DEMANDS some sort of high respect.

Respect? I'll tell ya what that is. Testing, studying, actual play for YEARS, both casino and at home. Creating methods, using REAL money, losing REAL money, admitting not every damn day is a victory, good record keeping, sharing ideas with others, tweaking methods: trying to improve on them if possible. If NOT possible, admit it and NEVER play that idea again. THATS RESPECT!! Ken

[Mr J]

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I found this great article >>> Once again the popular myth of clocking the roulette wheel to tamper with its basic random nature has come to light. There are some very sophisticated instruments to measure the precise speed of the roulette wheel but the fact remains that there are currently no instruments to predict the landing position of the ball spinning on the roulette wheel.



There are wheel deflectors which randomize the movement regardless of the speed but it remains that it is next to impossible for any seasoned or fledgling player of roulette to clock the roulette wheel spin to a nicety precisely. Even if the casinos were to allow the usage of the instruments by the players.



There are some comprehensive and thorough tests conducted by the manufacturers of roulette wheels. They make the wheel spin at a specific speed x for number of hours y. They make cross checks that the roulette ball is landing randomly at all trial runs. They then change the speed of the wheel and run the same series of stringent tests.


The anomaly starts at the juncture when the roulette wheel starts to experience the grueling wear and tear due to its non stop workload 24/7 at casinos. This can be attributed to the fact that the deflectors in the roulette wheel were starting to wear off. The way these things work is simple. The winning and losing streaks and their corresponding skips or misses. The fundamental formula of gambling FFG is again applied here. Undoubtedly it is hard work but after all the game of roulette is not for the weak at heart.

[Mr J]

 
After my DS thread, I said I wanted to comment regarding FINDING a bias wheel (cough). MY DISCLAIMER: I am not saying there is not one bias wheel in the entire world! lol Got that out of the way. Sorry AP guys, if this was 1894, I would say, seek and you will find quite a few bias wheels. In todays MODERN casinos, GENERALLY speaking, no damn way.

Those wheels are watched by many casino staff and WELL MAINTAINED, "just in case" there MIGHT be a small bias section. So lets say the 25 29 12 8 are hitting ALOT over many spins and the 26 30 11 7 are getting only a few hits (double zero wheel). You mean to tell me, Joe Blow the roulette guy will notice this but NO casino staff will? Perhaps they do notice it and do nothing about it? lol Not to mention, alot of maintenance and SWITCHING of wheels are done at 4am (give or take).

I know, I know....."find a small scratch on the wheel so you know if its the same one next time". Blah, blah, blah. lol Thats the LOGIC I always hear. For the sake of arguing, lets say you found one for a BRIEF period of time. Now its GONE and......you spend the next 10 months SEARCHING for another one!?

Assuming you can even find another bias wheel and assuming you even live in a city with multiple casinos/wheels (as an example, I dont). Anyone even thinking about spending hundreds of hours SEARCHING for such a wheel.....don't, you are wasting your time. I can give my view on this subject easily because I have NOTHING to lose by telling you the truth.

A bias wheel TODAY (in general) does NOT exist. Ken

[Kyla Shooter]

 

[Mr J]

You realize, in around 7 hours, this thread might be GONE.  Ken

[Kyla Shooter]

i'll make a new one.

[Mr J]

To be honest, yes, progressions are my favorite BUT they are no holy grail, I know that. My point being, AP is not the answer. Maybe flat betting, maybe progressions but not AP. Ken

[Kyla Shooter]

well, i have yet to see a competent demo of ap. these guys seem pretty fanatical about it, yet they are nowhere to be found when the curtain calls? spare me the drama.

[Mr J]

Oh they will show you but you need to book a few plane flights. Even if you did that, they could have 'bad days' and you'll see nothing. While THEY search for a bias wheel and search for DS, I'm playing the game. Do I win everyday? Nope.  Ken

[Jean-Claud]

I agree 100%!

Do you remember that I posted this some days ago?

AP was the ONLY way before 80s...now we are all playing RANDOM

[Kyla Shooter]

thank god you are here to clear that up jean claud. now i can finally move forward with my life.

[Jean-Claud]

The pleasure was all mine...If u will ever need any more help then ask me my little tiny friend!

[Spike!]

Th thing about AP is, its not dependable. Even in Billy Walters day, when the wheels were still the old wheels, before they were changed to defeat AP players, Billy said you can find a good table still not come out ahead. Its far far worse these days. You have to have a huge BR to be able to eat the losses until you find a wheel that cooperates. And you may never find one. When somebody brags about all the money they make being an AP player, they're talking about 10-15 years ago, not what they're doing today.

[Spike!]

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