Forget roulette.

[New Ken]

Ol' Mike comes across as a pretty frustrated guy.
Why can't roulette be beaten?
Why, it's as unimaginable as putting man on the moon, isn't it.
All doubters shouln't even BE on sites like these.

We can do anything we imagine.

New Ken.

[Mike]

Putting man on the moon was easy because it was about physics. Beating roulette with math is a logical impossibility, like trying to prove 1 + 1 = 3.

The problem is, because you don't see that this is a logical problem and not a physical problem, you think it can be "solved".
I use to think that way when I first started looking at roulette as a possible source of income, happily I realised before too long that I was attempting the impossible. If you think this is me just being negative, or defeatist, or frustrated, then too bad, that's not my problem.

Do you really think this a problem that has a solution? if you do, first you have to see that it really isn't a "problem". It doesn't fit into any problem category, only the category of logical absurdity. 

And no, we can't do anything we imagine. I can imagine flapping my arms and flying like a bird, but I can't do it and neither can anyone else who imagines it.

[New Ken]

To Mike:


ILLOGICAL is you being on this site-=-and posting!

So there you go...who would have IMAGINED that.


I'll deal with your "argument" a bit later if I have time.



New Ken.

[Mike]

New Ken,

I don't think I have anything to learn from a guy who thinks that there is a "law of balance" and that you can beat roulette by taking advantage of it. You need to either learn some math, or learn programming so you can test your theories quickly and not have to spend hours and hours doing it by hand.

I notice you all seem to be attacking me by saying it's "illogical" that I'm posting here when I don't believe that roulette can be beaten. Apart from being irrelevant (you're just trying to change the subject because you don't want to have to deal with the truth), where is it written in stone that you have to be a "believer" to post here? There are plenty of people here who play roulette for fun but they don't kid themselves they can find a consistently winning system based on math. There are others who use physical techniques to try to win (these are valid). I have no argument with any of these people. It's up to you how you choose to entertain yourself, if losing money is the price you're prepared to pay for a night's entertainment then great, go for it, but if you insist that you can find a winning system using math and statistics you are kidding yourself, so why should I keep quiet and just let you delude yourselves as I was deluded?

Sorry, you're just going to have to put up with me until I get bored with it. If that's "illogical" then so be it.

[New Ken]

Whatever, Mike.

But it IS illogical for you to remain on this site. You KNOW it is, don't duck the facts---and that's YOUR own advice.

New Ken.

[Mike]

Looks like herb6 is illogical too, then. From what I can see he's the only other guy around here who talks some sense.
He doesn't seem to believe that roulette can be beaten with math and yet he has the temerity to post here!  

BTW, still waiting for you to "deal with my argument". Give it your best shot.

[New Ken]

Hey, what's the hurry...it's logical that you'll be around here forever.

Like an atheist hanging out in a church, continually explaining WHY to everyone.

What a paradox.


New Ken.

[KGB]

@killroy and mike

Do you really expect me to post the stats and research that I have spent years, decades even, gathering? This sense of entitlement is a great example of why I am here, and you are WAY over there.  I don't doubt that there are pros in europe or across the globe.  I only said the serious pros are in Vegas.  I AM in Vegas unlike the entire membership of this forum, yet I am the one who has to answer to you children? I have better things to do, like make money.  I will not post at obscene lengths on PUBLIC forums and report my findings to people who are reality, nothing but losing players.  Perhaps quitting while you are behind is the best thing for you.

[Mike]

@killroy and mike

Do you really expect me to post the stats and research that I have spent years, decades even, gathering? This sense of entitlement is a great example of why I am here, and you are WAY over there. 

So why make the claims in the first place if you can't or won't back them up? And why do you assume that I feel entitled to anything? You make totally unsupportable claims and then start acting like a petulant brat when someone questions it? that's  a pretty arrogant attitude.

I don't doubt that there are pros in europe or across the globe.  I only said the serious pros are in Vegas.  I AM in Vegas unlike the entire membership of this forum, yet I am the one who has to answer to you children?

What is a "serious" pro, one who walks around with a frown on his face? A pro means you make a living playing roulette, it has nothing to do with WHERE you play it, it could even be online. And I repeat, why would a pro choose to play where the vast majority of wheels are 00? So first you assert that only real pros live in Vegas (which you can't possibly know), then you state that none of the membership lives there (another unjustified assumption), then on that basis you are above criticism and we are "children". I suggest it's you who needs to grow up.

I have better things to do, like make money.  I will not post at obscene lengths on PUBLIC forums and report my findings to people who are reality, nothing but losing players.  Perhaps quitting while you are behind is the best thing for you.

Nice! 

[Mike]

Like an atheist hanging out in a church, continually explaining WHY to everyone.

It's a  pretty good analogy, because all you "win-by-math" players don't need or expect to find any evidence that your approach works, it's good enough to have faith and believe that one day a miracle will occur.

Still waiting for a refutation of my argument.

[Killroy Gentz]

@killroy and mike

Do you really expect me to post the stats and research that I have spent years, decades even, gathering? This sense of entitlement is a great example of why I am here, and you are WAY over there.  I don't doubt that there are pros in europe or across the globe.  I only said the serious pros are in Vegas.  membersI AM in Vegas unlike the entire hip of this forum, yet I am the one who has to answer to you children? I have better things to do, like make money.  I will not post at obscene lengths on PUBLIC forums and report my findings to people who are reality, nothing but losing players.  Perhaps quitting while you are behind is the best thing for you.

Your statistics and research seems to be invalid. Note the bold part in the quote. You seemed to have missed guys like Herb. Ooops! But, hats off to you. You must of spent countless hours and hours interviewing players and not to speak of the countless surveys you must of conducted. How did you ever get time to become a pro? Then again I suppose playing red and black isn't such a big deal to learn is it? Us children try more advance methods than that though. We play dozens and columns too  (with a clever thing called Martingale  )

So you see, us more advanced players make enough money to start up the paraffin TV and watch "Who wants to be a roulette millionaire" and not to talk about "roulette watch" or "Miami Roulette" or "CSI Roulette" and what about "Days of our roulette" and on Discovery Roulette-busters and "Ultimate roulette survival".  I must say I try to stay away from "Seconds from disaster roulette" but "Deadliest roulette catch" is good. Not even to talk about "Ice road Rouletters"

So you see we also do our research. Thoroughly. But Gramps, if you don't feel that you want to post that one page of survey and statistics, we understand 100%.....just update it though and add Herb's name 

You have a great day now

Killroy was here

[KGB]

My point is very few can survive the ups and down of roulette enough to be profitable in the long term.  Of those, a VERY small percentage are able to make a significant amount of money.  It's nothing personal, just the truth.  Unfortunately in your case, the truth hurts.

As for missing herb, perhaps this is true.  To this day I have no knowledge of an active, serious pro who goes by the name of Herb.  I'm sure it is safe to assume that "Herb" is not his real name.  Either way, if he is a serious player then chances are we have crossed paths at some point in time.  As I said, I am in Las Vegas right now and I would have no problem meeting with "Herb" for lunch.  I would also have no problem sharing SOME of my findings with him provided he seems like a trustworthy individual.  If he seems untrustworthy, well, I hope you won't judge me too harshly for keeping my work private.

[Killroy Gentz]

My point is very few can survive the ups and down of roulette enough to be profitable in the long term.  Of those, a VERY small percentage are able to make a significant amount of money.  It's nothing personal, just the truth.  Unfortunately in your case, the truth hurts.

As for missing herb, perhaps this is true.  To this day I have no knowledge of an active, serious pro who goes by the name of Herb.  I'm sure it is safe to assume that "Herb" is not his real name.  Either way, if he is a serious player then chances are we have crossed paths at some point in time.  As I said, I am in Las Vegas right now and I would have no problem meeting with "Herb" for lunch.  I would also have no problem sharing SOME of my findings with him provided he seems like a trustworthy individual.  If he seems untrustworthy, well, I hope you won't judge me too harshly for keeping my work private.

Point taken.

Is your real name KGB? Sure 'Herb' hasn't met anyone by that name in Vegas either! I would not be surprised if Herb is more than willing to meet you. It will be a very very memorable occasion for you. Trust me. I hope you prosper beyond all expectations. Why would I want to judge you for not sharing your method? It is after all yours.

[bombus]

Herb's real name is Feibush Zusman.

His favorite casino meal is the pork sausages...

[beretta28]

Mike you are perfectly right and I agree with you.

But you're losing time.
In this Forum most users are compulsive gamblers that can't admit that roulette is unbeatable.

It would be like to tell themselves that they are weak,without tough personality.no fighters....

I used to be a former manager of a small European Casino(now retired).
Casino managers are laughing ,reading the Forums(systems,opinions,etc....)

That's life!

[beretta28]

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