WHY IS THIS FORUM DEAD?

[harald]

I gave some methods to check for your self. Why not try it? Serious.
Like I said I played it a lot. And on rng things happen that never ever happen on a real wheel. I did some sessions just to proof it was not random. And trust me I could steer numbers and colors like a car. Before I start a session the goal was let's say to make zero's appear. And trust me they did. For me that was solid proof. More solid then any other proof that it is random.

7 times number 22 in 14 spins....9reds a zero 9reds in a row and that 3 times in 1 hour. What proof do you need more that this is not a random thing? It reacts on your betting. Please try what I said instead of reacting like the world ends.
You want proof than proof it for yourself...like I said make the zero appear and dissappear. Just bet 1 hour on red/black, od/even etc....count the minimum of 4 zero's you get in the hour every hour...then make the same bets but cover the zero....then count the zero's again....do this at will at any time any place.....do it left to right and back to front.....the results are always the same.
Pick any number and count how many times it wil drop in 20/50/200 spins...then bet on all numbers but that number and spin again 20/50/200 spins....see how many times that number will drop....it is realy to silly for words...and no better proof then that.....trust me....do this today at 21.00 hours...do it again tommorrow...do it again in 3 days etc etc...you will always have the same results. Make it funny and start with number 1 and after 50 spins number 2 etc etc....see how it climbs with you before your own eyes.

Or try this....want a row of reds a zero and a row of reds again? Just bet progressive on black. Then try to get them again by betting progressive on red. Try 10 times with progression on black and then 10 times with progression on red. I'm sure you will see what I mean. Do this again from back to front and from left to right...do it in the morning and in the evening...do it naked and do it on 1 leg...results are always the same...why?

You can make this very black and white...and instead of puting words in other peoples mounths you also can ask what they mean with rigged. I never said there's a person behind the rng that's pushing buttons to cheat. Or hidden magnets or whatever. But I know for 100% rng are not random....again they react to your bets and bankroll. Trust me I don't say this after I got 5 reds in a row and lost 50c....I don't scream 'cheat cheat cheat' after 4 same numbers drop in a row. I don't cry if I lose 100 euro at a roulette.

I'm a very sceptic person....if I see it I believe it...not a second sooner. I don't believe in ufo's or in a god...I do believe in nature and rigged rng's...because I see it...not once not twice but over and over again....and with me many many others. I also play live roulette wheel and on real roulette's in casino....all that time I never ever see things that happens on rng's....I asked a lot of people and they say the same...so for me the proof is real proof. And no1 has ever given proof that rng are random...so can you understand that for me the proof is solid? Just like you I believe myself. Only I have proof that I share. Most people who say otherwise never share their proof...why?

If people give you proof, or better yet a way of proving for yourself, then why start talking about ufo's. Why not try the proof instead? Oh and if you do try the proof I gave then remember you must ofcourse play for money....playing funmode is not the same. I smiled a lot of times when I found out that a lot of people who claim it's random and made money of it haven't played for real money....or made 1c bets and after winning 10 rounds they say its fair, their system works 100% and they made 10 units profit in 1 hour. Play for money and it's a different ballgame. No matter what you do in the beginning you win a little...then the rng software kicks in....try it....make the zero appear and dissapear....bet all but 1 number and make it appear more then any other time...see for yourself....if that's not proof then what is? And why would so many people say this? What do they gain from that? Ego boost? Come on...I presume were adults here.

If I see the reaction of some to the word rigged I want to say, to make it clear, I don't wanna attack any1 or something...but english is not my native tounge...so maby sometimes the words sounds harder or angrier then I mean. But I hope you understand that again for me the proof is solid...and all that are on the other side of the conversation are mostly not willing to try it....3 people did try it....2 said that they now also had the proof...the other I never heard of again....and he was  always in attackmode and only tried it to proof me wrong....so if I was wrong he would be the first to put it on the forum...but not a word.

So again I would like to ask the people who think rng's are random to try the things I said. If you don't and don't have any proof that rng's are random and only go on attackmode with things like seeing ufo's and call me cheap then I can't take you serious on this...and I'm sure with me a lot of others.

Oh and another thing...I only try to warn others...again I have no gain from this and I don't need an ego boost....what's your motive? Seriously. I'm trying to warn others for my mistakes with real time findings. Are you trying to help others to make money on rng's? If so then please help me   And if you can give me real proof that rng's are random then I'm the first here to eat my previous words and admit that I was wrong. But till then please think about what the result can be if people believe 1 or the other.....if people believe me, and lot's of others, they save money 100%....if people believe the very small group of people who say it's fair and random then they have a very big change of losing money.

[gizmotron]

P.S.
If a mathematician could ever prove that the RNGs in the slot machines are biased then that mathematician would be set for life - his own reality show, book deals, movie deals, zillions in endorsements.

I'll keep a sharp eye out for a mathematician on the next box of Wheaties I buy.....

What about science? You like stories like that? Stories that involve math and technique for dealing with complex decisions. Try looking into Analytic Hierarchy Process (AHP). There is a science that exists that only needs a small nudge from me to see it take off. You see, they only see a value in fields such as government, business, industry, healthcare, and education for it. They just have not imagined it yet. All they need is a nudge. I'm thinking that between Bayesian probability and things like this it won't be long now. Perhaps I should drop my logic bomb, as I have always threatened to do. That would bring the forums back to life.

[MauiSunset]

What about science? You like stories like that? Stories that involve math and technique for dealing with complex decisions. Try looking into Analytic Hierarchy Process (AHP). There is a science that exists that only needs a small nudge from me to see it take off. You see, they only see a value in fields such as government, business, industry, healthcare, and education for it. They just have not imagined it yet. All they need is a nudge. I'm thinking that between Bayesian probability and things like this it won't be long now. Perhaps I should drop my logic bomb, as I have always threatened to do. That would bring the forums back to life.

Go for it - nuke the gaming industry. 

(Let me know a few hours before so I can short gaming stocks and make a killing)....

[darrynf]

always insightful isnt he,

though i have no idea what that has to do with roulette.

[iggiv]

Gizmotron, u sure can talk a talk, but can u walk a walk? Why u don't make some public sessions -- teamviewer,
chat, skype, whatever. And prove to many skeptics that u can walk a walk too. We just hear from u about some
"logic", "reading randomness", "teaching students", a we have never seen any results. Maybe u r right about your abilities, but some people deny them. So why don't u prove them?  only talking the talk.  i can get some random numbers, be it random.org or live wheels. let's see how can u win.


your call

[gizmotron]

Gizmotron, u sure can talk a talk, but can u walk a walk? Why u don't make some public sessions -- teamviewer,
chat, skype, whatever. And prove to many skeptics that u can walk a walk too. We just hear from u about some
"logic", "reading randomness", "teaching students", a we have never seen any results. Maybe u r right about your abilities, but some people deny them. So why don't u prove them?  only talking the talk.  I can get some random numbers, be it random.org or live wheels. let's see how can u win.
...your call

I'm working on it. For the last two years many here have said that you can't read randomness. So I'm just about to set up a free school of reading randomness right here. I'm even giving my software tool away for free too. Some people will only need this to get going. But most of you are still going to lose, even knowing how to read randomness. But the discussion over it being something that is possible or not will be laid to rest once and for all.

So what am I going to get from those math oriented types that insisted that reading randomness is not possible?

[iggiv]

that would be great, Gizmo.  myself i am not sure. Maybe u r right who knows. I am looking forward to see (and myabe learn) in practice
what u call "reading randomness"

[MauiSunset]

I'm working on it. For the last two years many here have said that you can't read randomness. So I'm just about to set up a free school of reading randomness right here. I'm even giving my software tool away for free too. Some people will only need this to get going. But most of you are still going to lose, even knowing how to read randomness. But the discussion over it being something that is possible or not will be laid to rest once and for all.

So what am I going to get from those math oriented types that insisted that reading randomness is not possible?

If you can convince me that random numbers have patterns that can be used to forecast future events beyond a 50/50 chance I will send you $100 in Outback Gift Certificates!  Dinner is on me.  But I'm going to play 2 hours or 100 spins here live on live TV Roulette, using your techniques, and must make at least a $1 profit with play money.

You have my word on this......

[gizmotron]

If you can convince me that random numbers have patterns that can be used to forecast future events beyond a 50/50 chance ...

BOY! "You are going to have to get your mind right." "What we have here is a failure to communicate."

I'll try again. You can't use trends to predict, forecast, or even expect an outcome. In reality, all you have is a bet selection and then a unique independent outcome. You don't win because you have changed those odds. So dinner is completely out of the question at this point.

Got it yet? Try to remember it. It will make all your sophistry far more interesting.

[MauiSunset]

BOY! "You are going to have to get your mind right." "What we have here is a failure to communicate."

I'll try again. You can't use trends to predict, forecast, or even expect an outcome. In reality, all you have is a bet selection and then a unique independent outcome. You don't win because you have changed those odds. So dinner is completely out of the question at this point.

Got it yet? Try to remember it. It will make all your sophistry far more interesting.

I hope making a $1 profit in 2 hours or 100 spins is still the definition of "winning system".

Maybe I assumed too much?

[gizmotron]

M-S, I'm not sure what you might have assumed. There was a member here named Spike. He called it making an educated guess. The concept was then known as "Educated Guessing." It's a good stab at "decision analysis." DA is a known concept, the term decision analysis was coined in 1964 by Ronald A. Howard.

You don't change the odds. You change your play. I call it "Play Management." Unless it has already come up. I coined the concept a few days ago on just a few forums, including this one. Why don't you research that. I might not have coined that one. It's not "player management," that would be a different concept, like managing players on a team. And it's not like play "Management" like in playing games that have to do with management.

[MauiSunset]

M-S, I'm not sure what you might have assumed. There was a member here named Spike. He called it making an educated guess. The concept was then known as "Educated Guessing." It's a good stab at "decision analysis." DA is a known concept, the term decision analysis was coined in 1964 by Ronald A. Howard.

You don't change the odds. You change your play. I call it "Play Management." Unless it has already come up. I coined the concept a few days ago on just a few forums, including this one. Why don't you research that. I might not have coined that one. It's not "player management," that would be a different concept, like managing players on a team. And it's not like play "Management" like in playing games that have to do with management.

I don't know anything about subjective Roulette playing - I'm guessing that's what most folks do when they wander into the Roulette area - WAG - Wild Ass Guess.

There is no way to teach or pass on subjective betting or investing - everyone has their own "gut feelings" and I've never heard of anyone teaching "gut feelings".

Oh, well I guess my $100 is safe in my wallet....

[gizmotron]

There is no way to teach or pass on subjective betting or investing - ...

Yet here I am. You need proof or you are not going to waste your time. That's pretty thin. What I do has a value that demands that it be kept to just an elite few. If it gets out like counting cards was then it will effect a change in the way casinos allow its use. If play management is the solution then it will have thousands of books written about it. I know how many years went into reaching this point. You don't. For all I know you really are here to find a system that works. Could you be that inexperienced? You say you owe this form of entertainment to your self and your grand list of life experiences.

[MauiSunset]

Yet here I am. You need proof or you are not going to waste your time. That's pretty thin. What I do has a value that demands that it be kept to just an elite few. If it gets out like counting cards was then it will effect a change in the way casinos allow its use. If play management is the solution then it will have thousands of books written about it. I know how many years went into reaching this point. You don't. For all I know you really are here to find a system that works. Could you be that inexperienced? You say you owe this form of entertainment to your self and your grand list of life experiences.

Teaching subjective knowledge is 100% dependent on the student.  Try teaching oil painting to someone like me who has problems drawing stick figures.

Or, trying to teach me how to play the piano is a waste of time - I have no musical talent.

Trying to teach someone to be a gambler is going to be 100% dependent on that student.  I've never met natural gamblers but I believe they probably exist somewhere.

Good luck teaching gambling that is 100% subjective to folks like me - you will get nowhere fast.

A natural born gambler doesn't heed your help.....

[iggiv]

Gizmo, why waist time on some unproductive theory arguments? Better show us something real, concrete.
Sorry i don't mean to push u, your right is to argue as much as u want, i am just  curious. U say u gonna
make a school for reading randomness, go ahead! If not  a school, then at least give some examples, give some concrete ideas instead of arguing with people which don't trust u. Let's make something real useful and concrete out of all this.

deal?

so much time spent on useless arguments. Reply with something REAL bud! If u say that u can 

[iggiv]

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