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[MauiSunset]

***************** I can assure you that NO ONE here has broken Roulette - if they did we would read about them buying private jets, mansions, and football teams and their profession would be listed as "Professional Roulette Gambler". ***********************

I watched a tv program a couple of years ago about a maths guy who said he made millions fron roulette. Then he went on and made billions from investing in the stock market. At the end you saw him standing next to his own private jet. Funnily enough, he did not share his secrets lol

These are all phony rumors, and anything you get from TV is bogus - show me links and I'll spend a few minutes and debunk this all.

There is NO way to out-fox the Roulette wheel - none, zip, zilch.

I do believe that money management might have a chance and that's what I'm pursuing; I don't put much hope in finding a "solution" but this is just entertainment for me, I'm an engineer and live for this kind of stuff.

The Roulette wheel spins and the ball falls on a number - there is NO way to guess what the next number will be - zip, zilch, none.  There is NO math to back up forecasting of the next random number from the wheel or a RNG.

Personally, I'm working on the definition of "win" and "Loss" in a money management system - that has little to do with the Roulette wheel's number and everything to do with money management.  If I ever get anywhere I'll demo it here for you guys in real time.  But don't hold your breath; I'm not.

[iggiv]

***************** I can assure you that NO ONE here has broken Roulette - if they did we would read about them buying private jets, mansions, and football teams and their profession would be listed as "Professional Roulette Gambler". ***********************

I watched a tv program a couple of years ago about a maths guy who said he made millions fron roulette. Then he went on and made billions from investing in the stock market. At the end you saw him standing next to his own private jet. Funnily enough, he did not share his secrets lol

people which beat roulette will never advertise it and will hide it as much as possible. but they do. quietly. If u let the casino know u can beat roulette then that's it. U will be banned right away. That's why u can not have private jets and palaces and and can't list yourself as "professional casino player".  People which are really professional roulette players have to be very careful, win much less than they really are capable of. And it is very easy to make yourself recognized and thus be banned from different casinos.

I know a few people (not personally but virtually) which participate (or participated) in those boards which make their living on roulette. And I know a few which  consistently win more than they lose.  I won't tell who they are, if they want they will tell about themselves. It is possible one way or another. But very few people are capable of it. I am not. At least not yet.

and about mechanical systems -- that's right, no mechanical system spin after spin after spin for long time can beat roulette. People which do beat roulette by using some mechanical systems, will use them some special way like hit-and-run, analyzing patterns, and so on. If u just sit in the casino every day long hours and play even the best method the same way all the time -- u gonna lose for sure.

there are also non-mechanical (rather physical) ways to beat the wheel. they are more successful, but they are much harder to apply. Most successful players use them one way or another.

[MauiSunset]

people which beat roulette will never advertise it and will hide it as much as possible. but they do. quietly. If u let the casino know u can beat roulette then that's it. U will be banned right away. That's why u can not have private jets and palaces and and can't list yourself as "professional casino player".  People which are really professional roulette players have to be very careful, win much less than they really are capable of. And it is very easy to make yourself recognized and thus be banned from different casinos.

I know a few people (not personally but virtually) which participate (or participated) in those boards which make their living on roulette. And I know a few which  consistently win more than they lose.  I won't tell who they are, if they want they will tell about themselves. It is possible one way or another. But very few people are capable of it. I am not. At least not yet.

Is this like the car companies buying up the "water into gasoline" patents all those crazy inventors?

They too claim that science hasn't caught up to them yet.

Guys, you can't turn water into gasoline nor predict future Roulette spins - science can't help us with these two tasks....

[iggiv]

if u put roulette wheel on 30 degrees off horizontal and glue some  heavy peace of metal on its edge will it be too hard to guess where the ball will land? Or will it be to hard to predict if a number hits 7 times in a row, then next time it won't hit for sure?


i made it look absurd of course -- but imagine someone modifying those principles into some successful way? Too hard to imagine? Never say never.

[MauiSunset]

if u put roulette wheel on 30 degrees off horizontal and glue some  heavy peace of metal on its edge will it be too hard to guess where the ball will land? Or will it be to hard to predict if a number hits 7 times in a row, then next time it won't hit for sure?


I made it look absurd of course -- but imagine someone modifying those principles into some successful way? Too hard to imagine? Never say never.

Can you imagine the problem the folks have on the International Space Station - no gravity at all!

Let's get real - I'm guessing that there are bubble levels on the Roulette table that make sure the table is level on 2 axis.  I'm also guessing that the state gaming commission checks this periodically too.

If this is what's needed to forecast future spins then crazy inventors and crazy gamblers might be one in the same!

So who can forecast future Roulette spins and turn water into gasoline?

[iggiv]

calm down. u r right. nobody can beat roulette as nobody can turn water into gasoline or iron into gold. if u wanna believe it then no problem. I am not gonna convince u other way.

[MauiSunset]

Casino gaming is  NOT  a  substitute for  work . It has only entertainment value. Whoever thinks   otherwise  is a fool.
I am enjoying  roulette in a casino. I have several excellent systems  at my disposal  which are a  guarantee not to lose more than   the casino `s edge  . That`s  all I allow   the casino  for  giving me  entertainment.

Only suckers keep  casinos  in business for  us to ENJOY.


Nathan Detroit.

On a European wheel that means you removed 1/37 risk from Roulette, the Green 0; leaving EC wagers at 50/50 - flipping a coin.

I don't know, turning water into alcohol sounds better to me - just throw in sugar and yeast and you're part of the way to gasoline but it still won't power your car.....

[col1879]

The guy on the tv show did not say that he discovered the holy grail, just that he was very good with numbers. He did not have to worry about being banned from casinos when he made the tv show because he had already made millions from playing roulette and then billions from the stock market. I think it was on itv or channel 4 ages ago.

[MauiSunset]

The guy on the tv show did not say that he discovered the holy grail, just that he was very good with numbers. He did not have to worry about being banned from casinos when he made the tv show because he had already made millions from playing roulette and then billions from the stock market. I think it was on itv or channel 4 ages ago.

I don't believe that for a second - TV is full of lies 24/7 - there is no need for truth on TV - truth doesn't sell anything, wild, crazy stories, like from the National Enquirer, sell - truth, no.

None of this can be verified so instead of millions substitute billions and instead of billions substitute trillions - that makes for a better story.

I keep telling you guys that if someone can break Roulette there is a Nobel Prize in Mathematics awaiting that person.....

[iggiv]

I don't believe that for a second - TV is full of lies 24/7 - there is no need for truth on TV - truth doesn't sell anything, wild, crazy stories, like from the National Enquirer, sell - truth, no.

None of this can be verified so instead of millions substitute billions and instead of billions substitute trillions - that makes for a better story.

I keep telling you guys that if someone can break Roulette there is a Nobel Prize in Mathematics awaiting that person.....

sorry, it is only for this one who can break it mathematically by a certain consistent winning method. U don't feel the difference. Even Wizard of Ods (wizarodofods.com) does not deny the fact that some people may consistently beat roulette. His point is that it can not be beaten with any mathematical method. Meaning is that this method
should be applied consistently on milliard of spins and prove that after this there is still a plus. This is impossible for sure. What possible is that there are other ways to defeat roulette....Non-mathematical. Dealer signature and certain trends in roulette and physical defects of roulette wheels have nothing to do with math and probability laws.

[MauiSunset]

sorry, it is only for this one who can break it mathematically by a certain consistent winning method. U don't feel the difference. Even Wizard of Ods (wizarodofods.com) does not deny the fact that some people may consistently beat roulette. His point is that it can not be beaten with any mathematical method. Meaning is that this method
should be applied consistently on milliard of spins and prove that after this there is still a plus. This is impossible for sure. What possible is that there are other ways to defeat roulette....Non-mathematical. Dealer signature and certain trends in roulette and physical defects of roulette wheels have nothing to do with math and probability laws.

I have NO doubt there are natural born gamblers who do great at casinos - I've met such a person.

They can't teach what they have - it's like looking at a great artist or musician - they just have a gift.

If there is such a person that can defeat Roulette, who is not a natural born gambler, it is extremely easy to demonstrate that ability - here live in front of us.  They don't have to say a word - just demo in front of a live audience with a live TV Roulette wheel.

But that's something I don't expect to see in my lifetime.

That doesn't mean I won't dig into systems - I consider myself a gold miner - I've got to move tons and tons of junk in order to find the smallest of nugget.  One such little nugget can make a huge difference............

[iggiv]

u contradict yourself bud. once u don't believe it and then out of sudden u do.

[MauiSunset]

u contradict yourself bud. once u don't believe it and then out of sudden u do.

Not at all.

I believe there are gifted folks who are great gamblers - they don't use any kind of system - they don't have to they are just born with a gift of being lucky.

They can play Roulette and win - I have no doubt of this.  However, over the long run they lose but they can have fantastic winning streaks and know when its time to stop gambling Roulette.

That doesn't mean they can sell their "system" - it doesn't exist, you can't buy it and you can't learn it.

Again, that person could demo their skills on a live chat room and if they sell a system they could sell lots of those systems too.

None of them work.

There are more mutual funds than stocks and not one mutual fund can hold a candle to the DJIA over a long period of time.  Doesn't mean that there aren't lots of these guys going on TV boasting how great they are.  Truth is they run hundreds of mutual funds and over any 20 year period some will do better than the DJIA but if you average them out they do worse.

But all you hear on TV is those few that did great in the last 20 years - next year they crash and make up for it.

If there were a way to beat Roulette Vegas would rip out the tables/machines and replace them with more slot machines.  That's all the proof you need to know that nobody is beating Roulette - nobody....

[iggiv]

u need to read this

nolinks://books.google.ca/books?id=SxK26cPyQvAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=killer+roulette&source=bl&ots=hI950eCNUz&sig=sUsmEhNt_CwokgeyvyP66SExIG8&hl=en&ei=xGlYTYO8NIa6tgfN_9SIDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false


there were quite a few cases when professionals ripped casinos. it was not a luck, it was a result of work.

it this was like u say casino pitbosses, security personnel would not care, but they do.

[MauiSunset]

u need to read this

nolinks://books.google.ca/books?id=SxK26cPyQvAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=killer+roulette&source=bl&ots=hI950eCNUz&sig=sUsmEhNt_CwokgeyvyP66SExIG8&hl=en&ei=xGlYTYO8NIa6tgfN_9SIDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false


there were quite a few cases when professionals ripped casinos. it was not a luck, it was a result of work.

it this was like u say casino pitbosses, security personnel would not care, but they do.

Good grief, I hope you don't believe one word from that book!

The guy is selling a $19.95 book - that's all.

If you believe one word then I've got a timeshare I'd like to sell you for cheap.

Come one guys this is no proof just folks spreading tall-tails trying to make a buck or two selling their book.

The book has no reviews - nobody believes this guy - I sure don't; the author is a poker player and maybe he does good there but forget the Roulette stories.

[MauiSunset]

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