Sequential Roulette

[VKM]

Thanks Mike and Gizmo for the answers.

Can you look at a stream of numbers from a biased wheel and recognize that it is biased?




VKM

[Kelly]

A bias player would from the number stream only be able to make some suggestions about where to look for a visual bias, but usually its the other way around. First visual, then number stream.

If randomness is mimicking a bias and it doesn`t match visually, there are every reason to be carefull and watch some more spins. Gizmo, you asume that the bias player only uses the numbers as a guide. The numbers should confirm what you see, nothing else.  If a wheel looks absoloutely perfect but has some hot numbers, you just keep observing.  In such a case its not enough with a high standard deviation, you also need an extreme Chi Square which won`t happen within normal randomness. 

[VKM]

If you determine that the wheel is biased, then the number stream should confirm what you see. 

Can you give an example of a biased wheel and what you would expect to see in the number stream of that wheel?




VKM

[gizmotron]

What's important is long term results, and obviously, if you're betting on the right side of the bias you won't lose long term.

Hm? The hot 18. I've never tried to shift to the hottest 18 every cycle of 38 spins. Betting the hot half against the cold half. There are times that the consistency has to be in a kind of El Niño & La Niña extreme advantage state. This should be fun to figure out a detection method for. I never went after the hot 18 before. It's an EC bet.

[cheese]

If anyone is closed-minded, it's you and all others who play non-physics based methods.

You'll never find in 18K + posts where I ever said bias or VP doesn't work. I always say its great if you have a lot of time on your hands and like getting skunked a lot. Go for it. I already have other hobbies, I don't need another one..

[cheese]

by ignoring all other data and observations, and looking exclusively at past spins, you are making yourself impotent for no reason at all.

If you have something that works on all random data, why would you care how fast the wheel is spinning and how dry the air is? The wheel is irrelevant, its just another RNG, one of many. Flipping a coin is an RNG.

[Kelly]

VKM,  all you can expect to see is certain areas having lesser hit frequens and other has higher frequens of hits.  When you find something visually not being perfect, you note down the areas.  In the following number stream you would expect some deviations in those areas or the areas next to these.  You might have a bias that makes the ball bounce away from the bias which will make the neighbour numbers, which is actually unbiased, receive hits and make them stand out as being biased.  You don`t know that yet, but you know that if something is going on, it will be in some specific areas that you know where is located.  Before you see the number stream, you might not be able to tell which sectors will be receivers and which will be donators.  

Looking at the number stream without having looked at the wheel won`t tell you anything, but could give you a hint. But that hint could easyli be false.  I  know you guys would love to compare a biased number stream with an unbiased one, but all you see is extra hits. Some bias is direction dependend which means that you only get the true picture if you track the numbers in clock and anticlockwise directions.  Which means that you really need to see the spins in person, because the dealers sometimes spins in the same directions twice by mistake.  Which will mess up everything if you happens to just seperate them automaticly when looking at the number stream.

[VKM]

Thanks Kelly,

I appreciate you answering my question.



VKM

[cheese]

Some bias is direction dependend which means that you only get the true picture if you track the numbers in clock and anticlockwise directions.  Which means that you really need to see the spins in person, because the dealers sometimes spins in the same directions twice by mistake.  Which will mess up everything if you happens to just seperate them automaticly when looking at the number stream.

Ah, the dead art of bias play. Can't get enough of it..

[Kelly]

Well its not exactly dead, but it gets a lot more attention on these boards than what its supposed to. Pure bias play is not very common here in europe, but the visual tecknicks used is very valuable tp perfect VB play on diffycult wheels.

Mind you, its not the bias players that brings up the topic on a constant basis.  Its just about everyone else.

[Mike]

If you have something that works on all random data, why would you care how fast the wheel is spinning and how dry the air is? The wheel is irrelevant, its just another RNG, one of many. Flipping a coin is an RNG.

cheese and crackers?

[Mike]

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