Osama Bin Laden dead?

[Steve]

More for you:

nolinks://nolinks.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html
Fox news sometimes slips up!

And see attached image. Does anyone see any conflicting information with what the "whitehouse" says?

I really need to let it rest and let everyone just research and decide for themselves.

[Mike]

ABSOLUTELY. Beyond any reasonable doubt, they both would have made enormous profits from the war. And there are definite connections between the Bush and Bin Laden families. RESEARCH IT. It is very clear. Is it strange Bush's air force buddy James Bath was the financial advisor for the Bin Laden family? Is it coincidence that Bush's oil company Arbusto was financed by the Bin Laden family? I am not meaning to sound condecending, but you dont know what you are talking about.

That is your opinion. I for one find it a tad suspicious that president at the time was literally in business with the world's most wanted terrorist. Who knows, maybe it's just my "confirmation bias". Maybe I'm like real dumb. BUT HEY, THIS IS ONLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERB. The fact that you are trying to refute this stuff  makes it very clear you lack the knowledge. Learn, then you will feel differently.

Steve, as I said in a previous post, I'm not disputing the connection between Bush and Bin Laden, nor the potential for profit going to Bush & Cheney. My point was that these alone are not sufficiently strong evidence to conclude that the whole thing was a set-up or conspiracy.

This has been done to death over and over and is listed as one of the top 10 "wild" conspiracy theories. When you take into account ALL the evidence it just doesn't stack up. I'm not really interested in doing any more research and consider the matter closed unless or until any further evidence comes to light.

I'm more interested in your theory regarding changes in the Earth's magnetic field and how it's apparently causing (among other things) earthquakes.

Like I said, I haven't found any reputable sites where this is backed up. Can you point me to any?

Apparently 2012 is supposed to be doomsday, but there is not the slightest indication from the scientific community that anything out of the ordinary is going to happen next year.  Still, there's an awful lot of money to be made by claiming otherwise...

How many doomsday predictions have there been? and how many have come true?

NONE.

[pins]

every day is a gamble. we know not the minute or the hour. pleasant dreams.

[Steve]

I'm not really interested in doing any more research and consider the matter closed unless or until any further evidence comes to light.

Like I said, I just provided two points, to keep it simple. It is beyond "strange" than bin laden and bush families are in business. If you dont want to do more research, you simply wont find it.

2012 is not a doomsday - read what I wrote.

Either way you do or dont research. You said you dont want to. Case closed.

[Mike]

Ok Steve, you'll just have to dismiss me as a closed-minded fool with his head in the sand. But like I said, I'm more interested in the magnetic field thing - can you give me any links where I can read up on this? I haven't been able to find any. 

[Steve]

Ok Steve, you'll just have to dismiss me as a closed-minded fool with his head in the sand.

You are the one who said: "I'm not really interested in doing any more research and consider the matter closed unless or until any further evidence comes to light."

And I'm telling you there is ample information out there. But if you dont want to look, how can you expect to find it? You appear to be someone who just reads whatever is put front of you, and from that alone you form opinions.

Same with the magnetic field. I'm not a research assistant but start with nolinks://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0909_040909_earthmagfield.html but there is so much more. Some of the info there is not accurate though.

[Mike]

And I'm telling you there is ample information out there. But if you dont want to look, how can you expect to find it? You appear to be someone who just reads whatever is put front of you, and from that alone you form opinions.

Not at all. There is a ton of info on various 9/11 conspiracies and I've read much of it in the past. The wikipedia article is a good place to start - nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
The point is, having done the reading, I've decided that there is no hard evidence of what you're claiming, and evidently the authorities agree with me. But to someone like you who are convinced otherwise, this latter fact is more "proof" that there was a conspiracy! 

There's no point in trying to convince the paranoid - by definition they won't accept evidence or alternative explanations which refute their beliefs. That's not to say conspiracies don't exist; of course they do, but you have to look at each case on its merits, and the various 9/11 conspiracies are found wanting.

[Mike]

Same with the magnetic field. I'm not a research assistant but start with nolinks://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0909_040909_earthmagfield.html but there is so much more. Some of the info there is not accurate though.

Once again, I'm not denying that the magnetic field is changing, only your claim that it's causing all kinds of natural events including earthquakes. There is nothing I've found from any reputable source which suggests that there is a link. Even if there was a link, it may not show that the changing field is a cause of the earthquakes. Correlation does not imply causation as any scientist will tell you.

[Steve]

One day you will know that today, you didnt know better. I have nothing more to say to you.

[Mike]

4 reasons why people believe in conspiracy theories:

    * patternicity, or a tendency to find meaningful patterns in random noise;
    * agenticity, or the bent to believe the world is controlled by invisible intentional agent;
    * confirmation bias, or the seeking and finding of confirmatory evidence for what we already believe;
    * hindsight bias, or tailoring after-the-fact explanations to what we already know happened.

nolinks://nolinks.smartplanet.com/blog/smart-takes/four-reasons-why-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/762

[Steve]

Mike, you just really have no idea. People like you always amaze me.

[Mike]

Steve, it's simple. All the evidence which to you makes the truth of the conspiracy obvious is only circumstantial. You appear to lack critical thinking skills and are not taking into account the big picture but only taking bits out of context which fit with your preconceptions. In your world, the common sense of the layman trumps that of experts, and that is a pretty arrogant attitude when you think about it and is evident from your replies.

nolinks://nolinks.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304-1,00.html

[Nathan Detroit]

Headline from DRUDGE report


Son says bin Laden sea burial demeans family...

May sue USA...


This  bastard of a mass murderer  got more than he was entitled to. For many of the  WTC victiims it was not possible to get a burial. Their remains  have never  been found.


So you ( expletive  deleted )   bleeding hearts  :SHUT UP!

[Steve]

Mike, it is easy to have an opinion such as yours when you lack the foresight to see relevant and critical information, when it is under a mountain of trash. Sorry, did you expect everything to be truth out there? Or is it more realistic that there will be trash mixed in with truth? You take the trash, and throw it out with everything else and thats partly why you arent learning.

You think it is mere coincidence that the president at the time was in business with the USA's most wanted "terrorist". You think it's coincidence that sec. of defense was CEO of the company that probably profits most from the "war on terror". You think it's coincidence that James Bath, Bush's air force buddy was the financial controller for the Bin Laden family. You think that Saddam really had WMDs in Iraq and the US's involvement in Iraq is really about "iraqi freedom"?? You really think the Allied involvement in Afghanistan is about finding Bin Laden and a bunch of Boogeymen, rather than a profitable pipeline. I know engineers in the armed forces and get my information on this first-hand - it is about a pipeline. You think you know about the federal reserve and what its really there for. You probably think the federal reserve is the government. Good on you. Like I said before, this is barely the beginning . . . But you said yourself you dont want to do more research, and will only consider what is put in front of you. You are a model of ignorance.

Clearly you dont know much about what you're talking about. You've probably only been introduced to some names for the first time in the past few days. You lack knowledge, and the will to research. You sit in your armchair and get distorted information from mainstream media like Time magazine, and this is what forms your opinion? Well done.

You have so much to learn. I am not talking about conspiracy theories. I'm talking about how the world really works, and how you think is the perfect model of an ignorant follower who just cant see it.

Let me tell you something Mike. You know nothing about what is going on. And while I feel myself wanting to tell you everything abouot what you have no clue about, I have to remind myself that there are billions like you and I'm wasting my time. People like you will eventually know, but by then it may be too late.

ps - some parts of bin laden's family say he died years ago of Marfans disease. The man was on his death bed. And now his son who hasnt seen or heard from him in years comes forward and says "well if he was killed like the US says, it was unjustified". Bin Laden WAS responsible for 911, but he was far from the only personor group behind it.

[gizmotron]

Steve, your moronic set of facts is how you draw your qualified opinions. You hide behind your so called claimed superior intellect. I know you do. You are the blind one. There is no way to talk with you in this condition. And you can't talk with us either. We will never buy your set of facts. That's just the way it is. Your facts don't pass the smell test even though you like the smell. You expect way too much here. I think liberals are idiots that think that corporations are evil. It's all about redistribution of wealth. Everything else is just dogmatic confirmation bias. That includes both side's arguments for the most part. What's missing here is a filter to determine the real truth. You don't have the guts, I don't have the resources, or the time. Mainly because I hate liberals with all my being. They are so wrong it doesn't equivocate to wasted energy on retards.

[gizmotron]

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