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Two question about sounds and visual observation.

1. I wondering how many can identify the sound from the ball moving on the ball track from having a raw clattering that becomes a smooth clattering or should i use the word that the sound is more like a raw swarfh that becomes a smooth swarfh - its a easy sound pattern that i assume most pepole can recognise.

2. I wondering how many can tell when a dealer make a slow sloppy spin from a medium spin and distinct it from a very fast strong spin development - slow, medium, fast - its just some basic questions as i am curios about your ability regarding simple basic observations.

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I can. Definately.  ;)


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I can. Definitely.  ;)

This is interesting as an observation requires that you see the wheel with a glimpse to the side without staring straight into the wheel or using an audio pattern just before to get a glimpse and make an observation of the ball's movement.

I often read about some AP - and far to many are starring into the wheel - and then complain about getting notice or getting heat witch counter measuring methods - personally i have not experience that as hide and seek is as important as master the skills we can develops as humans.

I long story short and i will put it like this - to develop hearing as part of a working visual read there is many things in daily life that can improve your skill to learn to master and distinct particular sounds from each other.
It can be at work or on the subway where you spot a group of pepole having a conversation from a certain distance in one invorment with many other disturbing sounds - her you first look at with eye contact and pick one active speaker among the group and key the voice and then stop starring and just concentrating on that voice among all other sound that souround you - its feels like having a radar with your hearing to make this distinctions - that kind of practicing is very usefull to learn and master to hear and notice one simple or advance sound pattern in a real casino.

Then there exist different ways with different time frame making a visual read that you have to adjust with our ability to calibrate a sound witch is around a momentum when the read is about to unfold and developing it self - so you can take glimpse at the wheel or much better just one glance for a short moment with out starring.

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Visual ballistics is just that right? Visual.

I have read about people using sound of the ball though from a couple of yards away. I know of a person who bets the same 2 opposite sectors on the wheel every spin except if he hears a clatter sound. He says it works for him.

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Two question about sounds and visual observation.

1. I wondering how many can identify the sound from the ball moving on the ball track from having a raw clattering that becomes a smooth clattering or should I use the word that the sound is more like a raw swarfh that becomes a smooth swarfh - its a easy sound pattern that I assume most pepole can recognise.

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I doubt it mate. This is because know one thinks to look at roulette from a physical aspect, therefore would not think to listen and observe the ball track.
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Well i can see some confusion here toward what has been written and i will add that Laurance description does not cover it all in volume 2 and i assume not many then him self actually can use sound alone - this is not what i am saying.
I just feel there is many options to improve a visual read using the human factor and developing skills that improve how we approach the game where sound is one among does.
Belive it or not - but as Laurance put it - so does it exist one sound in my local casino that work out to fullfill the same function as one thumper would do.

Physics is a wounderfull world of opportunities to explore and some may sound basic - but some times crucial to learn.
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I know of a person who bets the same 2 opposite sectors on the wheel every spin except if he hears a clatter sound. He says it works for him.

This i have very hard to believe - but i am not saying its not true - if you want i would like you to introduce me to him - i am sure we could trade or exchange things of value and learn from each other - just PM me if that would work out.
Regarding making a read using sound alone you have to in a advance way key one momentum that you can distinc from others with sound alone and observe reference point and also have chart for how to adjust with different rotor speeds.
Then one other thing that strike me is that he only use bi-modal effect and that puts us into 1 pin game witch is rare - at least from where i come from.
But if you would say its not so accurate and more a tendency being some kind of sound signature being a wheel signature i could swallow the fact that he not has a true edge playing that way.
For me so is visual ballistic more complex with many parameters to match to actually get a working playing modell.
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In most casinos you cant hear well enough, but when you can it is viable on some wheels.
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I doubt it mate. This is because know one thinks to look at roulette from a physical aspect, therefore would not think to listen and observe the ball track.

I agree. People in general approach the game blind. Similar to playing a slot machine. Most do not care that there is a wheel and what it is doing or what is happening. They just bet their numbers.

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Here you can read Laurance answer how he implement sound into hes way of play.
Note how he use a low profile and implement bias play of some kind until window of opportunity arise :-)

http://advantageplayers.com/roulette/index.html
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I have a question for you I have cookies. Do you actually play roulette? Or are you one of those resident experts who claims to know everything about winning but rarely sets foot in a casino.

In response to your questions 1. Yes, I can 2. Yes, but why would I want to? My eyes are much faster and more accurate at analyzing the ball speed.

Not sure why you think every AP stares into the wheel and catches heat. Anyone who hasn't experienced heat from a casino thinks they know what heat is. 98% of the time it's just a bored as hell dealer who loves messing with player's and watching them lose. If you were worth your salt as a player, you would profile each dealer before playing and pick the best ones. I doubt you do this, but that's just one man's opinion.

You also fail to mention the conditions to be able to hear the wheel. Your subway training won't do anything if you have a player sit down beside you and won't shut the hell up. Drunks are not the quietest people. You also can't control the track, ball sizes, whether the wheel is covered, how loud the casino in general is. Anyone who only plays using the sound of the ball speed as a means of prediction is often thwarted by any one of these changing conditions. A ball change can be enough to ruin a night, but I'm sure you already knew this.

As a visual player, many things have thwarted me. Mostly, other players blocking the view of the wheel. Shouting and cheering in the casino making it impossible to hear anything useful. Bored dealer's waving me off as I start to bet because they love watching my face when my numbers hit without having chips on them. It's not heat, it's just the casino on a normal day.

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I have a question for you I have cookies. Do you actually play roulette? Or are you one of those resident experts who claims to know everything about winning but rarely sets foot in a casino.

In response to your questions 1. Yes, I can 2. Yes, but why would I want to? My eyes are much faster and more accurate at analyzing the ball speed.

Not sure why you think every AP stares into the wheel and catches heat. Anyone who hasn't experienced heat from a casino thinks they know what heat is. 98% of the time it's just a bored as hell dealer who loves messing with player's and watching them lose. If you were worth your salt as a player, you would profile each dealer before playing and pick the best ones. I doubt you do this, but that's just one man's opinion.

You also fail to mention the conditions to be able to hear the wheel. Your subway training won't do anything if you have a player sit down beside you and won't shut the hell up. Drunks are not the quietest people. You also can't control the track, ball sizes, whether the wheel is covered, how loud the casino in general is. Anyone who only plays using the sound of the ball speed as a means of prediction is often thwarted by any one of these changing conditions. A ball change can be enough to ruin a night, but I'm sure you already knew this.

As a visual player, many things have thwarted me. Mostly, other players blocking the view of the wheel. Shouting and cheering in the casino making it impossible to hear anything useful. Bored dealer's waving me off as I start to bet because they love watching my face when my numbers hit without having chips on them. It's not heat, it's just the casino on a normal day.

Hello KGB - nice reply.

Yes i spend time at my local casino when i am not to tired after work or can find a some one who take care of my daughter.
Is not easy being singel parent to find time to play like a semi-pro - as i assume you are and what i would like to become.
Sure if time was not my enemy i can insure you i have the both the foundation and knowledge to become one.
One of my future goal would be team play (bias) to explore some parts of Europa.

So i play - but i can not brag about spending much time in the casino every weekend or seven days in a row.
My eyes are also much faster and more accurate at analyzing the ball speed - but i am not her to discuss that or to elaborate about conditions.
And when i speak about starring to much into the wheel i am refereeing to certain pepole i been talking to that just make there first step into visual ballistics - where most of them apply VB2 witch is a technic describe at myrulet forum.
Witch is not among my favorites.

Some times i get jellos when i read about how some succeed with human distinct skills alone to make observation and a complete working visual read with out the help with thumper - developing the feel witch not come with one isolated observation, my opinion.
That is my personal challenge - one day i would like to walk into the casino and with only distinct human skills play with same success with out any helping tools - that is not easy - my opinion.

To illustrate one example using headcount and pinpoint ball around 1.0 - i getting to early or to late.
Is not the same with thumber as it is easy and not rocket science.
I test this on my wheel at home and in the casino - but with out thumper everything becomes out of order.
This should not be that way as its not hard to see how the ball unfold it self/divide at first or second stage.
So i admit i still have much to learn and would for sure not compare my self with does who has 1500 or more trails behind them.

I suppose sometimes i can be different when i compare my self to does i speak with or read about that are into visual ballistics, not all.
It is that even if i have my working favorite method witch i master - i still continue to learn and practicing with others - no matter if pepole argue does are old or traditional - i don't care - like UWE, Laurance among others - as for me its about to get a deep insight and complex understanding about the elements with insight about the wheel - how to estimate and developing different skills using observations, feels.

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PS as I mention above - this is a life time hobby - some things are for open debate - some would never see daylight.

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