A single warm random number system.

[WizardOfAus]

I posted this system in another website and was advised to post it here to see if someone would be able to program& test it.   I know from all I've read that any roulette system will not win over a billion hands or over the test of time!


But can any roulette strategy win over a human being's average working lifetime - part-time of course (because if you were to do it full-time, it's just another job, right? Make it simple. . . 50 years, 20 hours a week(5x4hr sessions), approximately 30 spins an hour = approximately 1. 5 million spins? Can someone play part-time for a living with a system that earns $50 an hour? That's $1k clear per week.  It might not be enough fir some but for the 
majority if you told them that they could earn $1k a week clear working 20 hrs part-time a week  they'd be in.  Is it possible on a B & M roulette table?

For those who think $1k a week is not enough, how about $3k?!!! Read on. . . .

I know of a lot of people who supposedly gamble for a living but a poker mate of mine who's very well off due to his poker and gambling 'career' invited me to study some of his systems for a roulette table available at a local casino in Australia.  I'm assuming it would be available at many casinos around the world as well.  It's a computerized roulette set-up that supports about 50 seated players.  It's built by a company called Vegas Star.  

The interesting features make it different to the B & M and online roulette tables:

- virtual dealer that produces a spin every 40 seconds , it gives you 15 secs to make a bet but with the spinning process, the total time from one spin to the next is about 40 secs.  So about 100 spins an hour.  (So instead of 20 hours a week Can find the same online but at least 3 times as fast as B&M tables.  
- Minimum table bet is only $2. 50, max is $1,000,000!!! The only thing is the maximum on straight bets is $100 and $500 on everything else.  One interesting thing is you can bet a minimum bet of 50cents on a straight up and put the remaining required on black and red, i. e.  50c on a number and then $1 on red & $1 on black to cover the table minimum.
- the thing that makes it different to online is that there are up to 50 real people playing at your table at once and it feels real that a computer is not shafting you with their supposed RNG that's not supposed to be "influenced by a players bets".  You all know what I mean.  And of course the limits as mentioned above.  

So is there a way either in a B & M or with the above virtual to make $50 an hour with a tiny chance of losing.  Say one in every 13,000 sessions which is how many you'd play in the 50 years???

And my friend's strategy:

I know this will get ripped, I already told him about the long-term but he's shown a $90 p/hr profit over 30 sessions without a losing session.  

Initial bankroll $3431.  

A 150 spin progression model for a single number straight up bet that earns a minimum of $1 a spin.  

The sequence below shows:
Single bet/total acc bets /return /profit.  

1/1/36/35
1/2/36/34
1/3/36/33
1/4/36/32
1/5/36/31
1/6/36/30
1/7/36/29
1/8/36/28
1/9/36/27
1/10/36/26. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10
1/11/36/25
1/12/36/24
1/13/36/23
1/14/36/22
1/15/36/21. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15
1/16/36/20
1/17/36/19
1/18/36/18
2/20/72/52
2/22/72/50. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20
2/24/72/48
2/26/72/46
2/28/72/44
2/30/72/42
2/32/72/40. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25
2/34/72/38
2/36/72/36
2/38/72/34
2/40/72/32
2/42/72/30
3/45/108/63. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 31
3/48/108/60
3/51/108/57
3/54/108/54
3/57/108/51. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 35
3/60/108/48
3/63/108/45
3/66/108/42
3/69/108/39. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 39
4/73/144/71
4/77/144/67
4/81/144/63
4/85/144/59
4/89/144/55
4/93/144/51. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 45
4/97/144/47
5/102/180/78. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 47
5/107/180/73
5/112/180/68
5/117/180/63
5/122/180/58
5/127/180/53. . . . . . . . . . 52
6/133/216/83
6/139/216/77
6/145/216/71
6/151/216/65
6/157/216/59. . . . . . . . . . . . 57
7/164/252/88
7/171/252/81
7/178/252/74
7/185/252/67. . . . . . . . . . . . . 61
8/193/288/95
8/201/288/87
8/209/288/79
8/217/288/71. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 65
9/226/324/98
9/235/324/89
9/244/324/80
9/253/324/71. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 69
10/263/360/97
10/273/360/87
10/283/360/77. . . . . . . . . . . . 72
11/294/396/102
11/305/396/91
11/316/396/80. . . . . . . . . . . . 75
12/328/432/104
12/340/432/92
12/352/432/80
13/365/468/103
13/378/468/90. . . . . . . . . . . 80
14/392/504/112
14/406/504/98
14/420/504/84
15/435/540/105
15/450/540/90. . . . . . . . . . . . 85
16/466/576/110
16/482/576/94
17/499/612/113
17/516/612/96
18/534/648/114. . . . . . . . . . 90
18/552/648/96
19/571/684/113
19/590/684/94
20/610/720/110
21/631/756/125. . . . . . . . . . 95
21/652/756/104
22/674/792/118
23/697/828/131
23/720/828/108
24/744/864/120. . . . . . . . . . . 100
25/769/900/131
26/795/936/141
26/821/936/115
27/848/972/124
28/876/1008/132. . . . . . . . . . . . 105
29/905/1044/139
30/935/1080/145
31/966/1116/150
31/997/1116/119
32/1029/1152/123. . . . . . . . . 110
33/1062/1188/126
34/1096/1224/128
35/1131/1260/129
36/1167/1296/129
37/1204/1332/128. . . . . . . . . 115
38/1242/1368/126
40/1284/1440/156
41/1325/1476/161
42/1367/1512/145
43/1410/1548/138. . . . . . . . . . 120
45/1455/1620/165
46/1501/1656/155
47/1548/1692/144
49/1597/1764/167
50/1647/1800/153. . . . . . . . . . . 125
52/1699/1872/173
53/1752/1908/156
55/1807/1980/173
56/1863/2016/153
57/1899/2052/153. . . . . . . . . . . 130
58/1957/2088/131
60/2017/2160/143
62/2079/2232/153
63/2142/2268/126
65/2207/2340/133. . . . . . . . . . . 135
67/2274/2412/138
69/2343/2484/137
71/2414/2556/142
73/2487/2628/141
75/2552/2700/148. . . . . . . . . . . 140
77/2629/2772/143
79/2708/2844/136
82/2790/2952/162
84/2874/3024/152
87/2961/3132/171. . . . . . . . . 145
89/3050/3204/154
92/3142/3312/170
94/3234/3384/150
97/3331/3492/161
100/3431/3600/169. . . . . . . . . . 150


The betting strategy is quite unique and semi-easy to follow.  He writes down the last 10 numbers as a basepoint column on a table that has 10 rows and over 100 columns.  He then continues to write in numbers after every second column.  He tracks the base points numbers and marks in every second column which numbers have NOT repeated within the next ten spins.  The tables end looking like this.  

12    17   x    5      x
36    33   x    3      x
4      9     x    20    x
1      2     x    21    x
10    10         30    x
10    3           31
8      20   x    36 
7      6     x    1      x
10    21         22 
24    32   x    30    x

Hope you understand the marking process.  An example for the first row.  The 1st number is 12, it does not show up again for the next 10 numbers so it get an x after the number 17  on the next column as by that time that is the 10th spin that 12 has not shown up again.  So on, so on.  

The strategy needs a bit of time though.  My mate waits until there have been 8 x's in a row in one particular row, meaning that there has been 80 spins where 8 different numbers have not shown up again in their corresponding following 10 spins.  He then starts the progression betting strategy.  

He states the highest he has seen in his progression model is a streak of 144 losses over 30 sessions.  That means he has only bet his 64th bet in his progression betting structure.  I. e the $8 bet where he made a progression profit of $79.  He still has a buffer of another 86 spins after this!!!

He explains to me that he cannot do it at other tables at the casino since the minimum bet is $2. 5 per straight up bet and the maximum is still $100.  And the big one, time, it would take him around 100 spins before he ever starts betting one of the rows that have reach 8 x's so on a B & M table it would take him about 3 hours before he even starts betting.  On these virtual tables it's within an hour sometime even with 45 mins because there are already 22 numbers per-recorded on the screen when he arrives at the table.  So only needs wait for another 70-80 spins normally for one of the rows to register 8 x's.  

Would anyone know the odds of this strategy failing? Because I've told him it will eventually fail but it's tough to explain to him after he has won 30 straight four hour sessions for a net $12k profit and having 84 spins still as a buffer behind his longest streak.  

I've tried it myself with only $500 bankroll and doubling the amounts of each bet (reduces the number i
Of bets I can make only around 70 from the 150 that my mate has patience for but doubles my hourly) I've won 2 sessions so far for a net profit of $1600 from only $500 bankroll!!!

BTW-It's a single zero table!

So what's the odds of my mate losing his 230 spin progression? That's 80 that he waits and 150 that he bets? 
Is it 36/37 to the power of 230??? That means he will lose 1 in every 545 progressions.  That can't be right can it?

What's the odds of me losing my $500 before the end of my session? Do I have a better than 40% chance of lasting? If so then I would show a profit right? Winning sessions & 6 losing sessions would show a profit of $200.  

Anyways. . . thanks in advance for any replies.  

Is there anyway anyone can program and test this complicated system?
 

[bombus]

Hi Wiz...

Thanks for posting.

So how many numbers at a time does he bet?

What if there are several rows with 8x's?

Does he switch to a new number each time a new row reaches 8x's?

Cheers.

[WizardOfAus]

Thanks for the reply Bombus.

He plays every single one that has hit 8x's (80 losing streak) as if they are independant of the other.

So if during a progression he is currently betting say $3 on one particular number and another row hits 8 x's he'll start betting from bet one of the betting progression - so $1 on the new row and continue betting the current progression that he is betting.

Can you help with a test?

[John Gold]

Vegas Star is the name of the machine. The actual company who makes this product is Shuffle Master.

You can view all their products and find out information about this machine on there website.

cheers

[Bayes]

So what's the odds of my mate losing his 230 spin progression? That's 80 that he waits and 150 that he bets? 
Is it 36/37 to the power of 230??? That means he will lose 1 in every 545 progressions.  That can't be right can it?

What's the odds of me losing my $500 before the end of my session? Do I have a better than 40% chance of lasting? If so then I would show a profit right? Winning sessions & 6 losing sessions would show a profit of $200.  

Anyways. . . thanks in advance for any replies.  

Is there anyway anyone can program and test this complicated system?

Hi Wiz,

Your calculation is ok as far as it goes, but strictly speaking you can't include the 80 waiting spins, only the spins where you actually bet. In that case the chance of at least one win in 150 spins is 98.35%. Even if your friend loses a bank now he'll still be well in profit and I don't suppose he'll take any advice on board until that happens.

What do you mean by a 'session'? are you playing to reach a set target and if so what is it?

[Nathan Detroit]

Vegas Star is the name of the machine. The actual company who makes this product is Shuffle Master.

You can view all their products and find out information about this machine on there website.
REPLY :
The  VEGAS STAR machine  is   considered  a  slot machine  according to  Shufflemaster`s own statement.
Due to inclement weather at the  beginning of 2011 and not being able  to travel to a B  & M casino I have played  at those machines during 13 visits  and I left as a winner  each time. At visit number 14    I played 3 sessions : session 1   a loss, session 2  a push,, session 3  a win>>>>>>>> left  on a minus.

The method: BLACK as the only dominant with   selective mode of  play. Very time  consuming. Have not played at this type of a machine  since and will never  play at a racino again  enventhough it`s only 45 min by car.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

[superman]

@ WizardofAus

The system/method is unclear to me, I will code it into a bot but I need to know exactly how it works, hangovers not helping lol

[blu]

Wiz, l once did something similar at a software package at the TAB(horses).  The system was a cartoon package using of course horses.  Its still in use today at many TAB's.  Anyway my strategy was to start lowest progression and build from that expecting at some point all the numbers will come out.  l was going well for a couple of weeks until one day one particular number NEVER landed.  This cleaned me out and l never tried it again.  l figured because it probable was controlled by a centralised system in the TAB network that they saw someone abusing the system and so stopped a particular number coming out.

Maybe this might happen with Vegas /star ?? After all it is a pokie system of some similar format so l'm always very suspicious. 

Perhaps by minimising the risk you could average out the betting amounts for each number.  For example if say you were betting on 4 numbers and one was on $5 and the other three were on $1 each, you could make all of them $2((5+1+1+1)/4) each and continue progression for each from there.  And as one particular number gets a bit high in future just keep resetting again.

By the way l'm in Melb so there are plenty of VS systems going on. 

The casino here also has min $5 wheel with a real dealer and can apply $1 units to make up the $5 bet so l might do some testing to see how it goes here.

Blu

[WizardOfAus]

Thanks for the responses guys.  Really appreciate it. 

Bayes - a session lasts for about 2 hours which is around 200 spins. 

Superman - I'll try to explain it the best I can.  There's a simple way and an easy way of programming it. 

Say the first 30 numbers are ( 26 being the first number recorded and 19 being the 11th, 21st being number 27):

26 19X 27X
11 12X 22X
5 2 31X
8 33X 33
10 34X 6X
36 29X 4X
5 9X 8X
20 8X 13
3 7X 12X
18 16X 24X

As you can see the 10 numbers after 26 does not have 26 shown up again so you put a X next to the 11th number to indicate that it's been 10 numbers in that row that there's been no repeat of the first base number of 26.  It now changes base number to the 11th number which is number 19.  As you can see the next ten spins after 19 does not show 19 again so the 21st number gets an X.  The new base number for that row is now 27.  And so on and so on.  There are now 2 X's in that first row in succession - you fon't start using the 150 betting progression until the trigger happens - which is 8 X's -which means 8 base numbers did not hit within their corresponding following 10 spins. 

You do the above for each row - hence you are tracking every number that shows up and putting an X if that number doesn't show up again within the next 10 numbers. 

Note: If a row does break/win - example row 3 - the thirs number - number 5 does actually hit again within it's next 10 spins and hence doesn't get a corresponding X.  Once it hits you stop tracking that row until the next base number which is the 13th which is number 2 - you start the count all over again. 

Superman - The above might be a bit too complicated and time consuming to program do the easier way is to just automate what I've been doing manually in Xtreme:

It's like just tracking one row. 

Record 1st number.  Look at next 10 spins if 1st number does not show up add 10 to row count, if number does show up then reset row count to zero.  If row count equals 80 begin progression betting. 
Repeat for 11th, 21st, 31st, 41st. . . . . 121st. . . . . . 1031st. . . .  and so on. 

Hope this is clear. 

Blu - I'm from Melb too and have tried it on Trackside and tried a progression once on the place bet for trackside as well.  The 4 minutes between each race was way too long for me so I didn't bother with it.  Think I was up $17 after an & half of waiting for streaks.  I have a feeling they program it by taking everyone's bets over an hour or whatever and giving a government legislated % back. 
I've read in the Crown site that the machine is meant to be exactly like roulette table and is considered a table game and not a pokie machine so hopefully that's the case.  So there's nothing in the programming that looks at players bets and it is a complete RNG.  So far the results seem to indicate that. 

[blu]

Hey Wiz, l thought you may have been a local. That day l lost big on Trackside l was there all day and the number did not come out(7 l think) so the odds were middle range. l complained to the manager but to no avail. He just said he'd speak to head office about it - so l just walked out with my tail between my legs.

What do you think of my averaging bets comment ?

Regarding applying the same process to the $5 table - have you wondered about that at all ? l think you know which one l mean. There are a couple with airball but just one with a real dealer (and one green). l just wonder if the long unhit periods would still apply here.

Blu

[WizardOfAus]

I guess you could apply it to the Rapid Roulette tables but the only problem is time.  They are about a spin a minute so approx.  80% slower.  Instead of a $10" hourly it would be closer to $60. 

I'd get bored at that rate.

I already get bored ATM. 

For your $1 bets you would have to use two $2 bets on red & black to cover your table minimum. 

As long as they have these Vegas Star ones I'll keep following it with my friend. 

I reckon if you had a big bankroll you could clean up Trackside.  But you need a big one.  You shouldn't chase the big number horses though.  You could do a progression bet on number 1.  At $4 odds, a bankroll of $5k gives you a 40 race progression with an hourly of $30 an hour - $2 minimum guarantee per race bet using the below. 

If you have $10k then your hourly of $60 an hour would easily be seen if you double the below progression amounts. 

Number will pretty much always show up within 20 races, within 40 races it should be a sure thing.  I've seen number 1 win 12 times within 20 races once.  You can get all the results and do an analysis I guess - they have a website for it.  But it kinda takes a while to collect the results.  We should probably get a definitive answer from the VCGR whether it is random or dependent on player bets. 

$5 3 to 1 Progression

5/5/45/40
5/10/45/35
5/15/45/30
5/20/45/25
5/25/45/20. . . . . . . 5
10/35/90/55
10/45/90/45
10/55/90/35
10/65/90/25
10/75/90/15. . . . . 10
15/90/135/45
15/105/135/30
20/125/180/55
20/145/180/35
25/170/225/55. . . . . 15
25/195/225/30
30/225/270/45
35/260/315/55
40/300/360/60
45/345/405/60. . . . . . 20
50/395/450/55
55/450/495/45
65/515/585/70
75/590/675/85
85/675/765/90. . . . . 25
95/770/855/85
105/875/945/70
120/995/1080/85
135/1130/1215/85
150/1280/1350/70. . . . . 30
170/1450/1530/80
190/1640/1710/70
215/1855/1935/80
240/2095/2160/65
270/2365/2430/65. . . . . 35
305/2670/2745/75
345/3015/3105/90
390/3405/3510/105
440/3845/3960/115
500/5345/4500/155. . . . . . 40

[Pedro]

HI Wiz and Blu,

Iam a regular at Crown and have done countless hour of tracking ,from my experience that $5 rapid with the gray sleave takes much longer, to hit all the numbers,lets say you wanted to play the last 4 cold, you know what I mean.

Vegas Star there will be some numbers that will not show up in many hours,I say that because after another player sat there for the day she found that 8 numbers didnt appear in hours,wow we thought were on to something.
The next day after tracking yep there were 6 numbers that did not show for many hours, but they were different from that of the day before.

Thanks Wiz,  I will run over my actuals and see what happens

Cheers Pedro

[WizardOfAus]

Pedro - I've done a bit of recording as well - sporadic though but even when I have visited crown without playing I have popped in to check all 5 tables that are available there to see if any Cold Number is on a zero count for the last 250 - none have been.

I was playing once though and a number did go to zero - ie. e.  didn't come up in 250 spins - I tracked it and it evetnually came up after 308 spins.

It's rare but does happen.

The odds of a number not coming up for 2 hours - 200 spins is about one in every 240 progressions.

The odds of it not coming up in 300 spins is about 1 in every 3,713 progressions.

It doesn't happen too often but it will happen.

My thought is I've probably check about 15 times each of 5 tables and only once - as per above it occurred.  So even if you were to track all 5 tables simlutaneously - bit of walking to do but find numbers that have not come up 150 times then apply the 150 progession that I have given you - you could make a pretty good profit.  Not everyone's going to do that.  The progression will eventually crash as well BTW as we all know but hopefully not in out lifetime or before we double our BR!

In my reordings - out of 2000 spins sporadically done , 3 hour session, 4 hour session, etc - I've seen around 10 numbers that have hit the 150 mark - that's a pretty high rate when just recording one table - I'm sure you will find plenty if you were looking at 5 tables.

[blu]

Pedro, like l said l'm still suspicious about VS.

What about applying it on the $5 min electronic table that allows $1 unit bets to make up the $5 min ? There is a real dealer spinning here.

[WizardOfAus]

Hey Blu,

When you lost on Trackside what was your largest bet?

I once got up to $1000 bet on the place for number 3 and it lost it was my last progression bet - my friends who were with me said that the TAB would've tracked my betting and dodged me - haha!!!

I am trying to get an official answer from the TAB and VGCR on this and have also asked the TAB to send me all their results for Trackside and have told them that by law I'm entitled to that - not sure if I am but worth a shot.   

[WizardOfAus]

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