Roulette is beatable!

[qayotee]

Roulette is a not for stupid people 

It could be with enough luck

[Kingspin]

Seems to me like theres alot of negheads posting negativity on the boards these days,  so this is to remind you, with an unlimited bankroll and unlimited bet limits roulette CAN be beaten long term.
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Playing long term you will loose thats 100% sure.  No ifs or buts you WILL loose your money. any one who claims other wise is living in cloud cuckoo land bud.. 

[ReDsQuaD]

Seems to me like theres alot of negheads posting negativity on the boards these days,  so this is to remind you, with an unlimited bankroll and unlimited bet limits roulette CAN be beaten long term.
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Playing long term you will lose thats 100% sure.  No ifs or buts you WILL lose your money. any one who claims other wise is living in cloud cuckoo land bud.. 

Hey kingspin, did you ever hear about the ritz team who took the casino for 1 million? They used a roulette computer to predict the area of where the ball will land.

Did you hear about the Gonzalo family who took there local casino for hundreds of thousands using a method called "wheel bias"

What about Joseph jagger? "The guy who broke the bank at monte carlo" Again wheel bias.


You gong to say its all made up? It was luck?


The one who is living in cuckoo land is you my friend.

[Steve]

There are a lot more people beating roulette consistently than what we hear about in the news. Not everyone is stupid enough to take millions from the same wheel in a few days.

Milk the cow. Dont kill it.

[Kingspin]

I would say that beating roulette with a computer is possible , we only need to over come the house by just a few percent to do that.
I would not have the balls to enter a casino using such a device though. I sooner be poor. I don't think bias exists at least not with online roulette , i bet they change the wheels very often. 

[ReDsQuaD]

I would say that beating roulette with a computer is possible , we only need to over come the house by just a few percent to do that.
I would not have the balls to enter a casino using such a device though. I sooner be poor. I don't think bias exists at least not with online roulette , I bet they change the wheels very often. 

Exactly, only a few percent mate.

Bias always exists but.. casinos now have software on there wheels to detect wheel bias, they dont change the wheels, they recalibrate the wheel which basicly = a new wheel. Basicly it will flag up red when a bias is detected. That's modern wheels for you.

[Steve]

If they re-calibrate it the same way and do it precisely as all other times, then it will give much the same patterns if the dominant diamonds are due to ball track imperfections. But chances are the calibration wont be as precise as is needed.

I would not have the balls to enter a casino using such a device though

Most people dont. But a few take a very aggressive approach to making money, and such people tend not to be in 9-5 jobs.

Honestly I could not live life in a 9-5 job working for someone else. That to me would be crazy.

With computers, the first few times are daunting. Eventually it becomes like home. Like most computer players, I'm not scared of what staff or security may say. They can go **** themselves. But if its time to leave its time to leave. Again not everyone shares this view, so roulette computers are not for everyone.

Most people dont understand this though:

But if a player is winning significant amounts with late bets, the casino can simply call no more bets earlier until the player loses or leaves. Then normal procedure can resume once the player has left. There is no banning, no bashing - just plain countermeasures. Again this is the reality IF a professional player is detected. So emphasis is on avoiding detection in the first place, and it is very easy even if you are betting late in the spin - you just don't do it on every spin.

[Agabus]

Of course roulette is beatable. If you've ever walked away from a table with a profit then you have beaten roulette....on that occasion.

The $m question is "Can you consistently make more money than you lose at roulette?" This, to me, is the HG and definitely findable. (No guarantees though that any such beautiful thing can't be ruined by a lack of discipline.)

A system that wins every time (if it should ever be discovered) would actually kill the golden goose. Casinos will always be around as long as they are making a profit, ie  some people losing more money than others win. How long would roulette as we know it last if the discovery of a real HG turned it around so that some people win more than all the others lose?

My philosophy is: if you have a method of play that overall wins you more than you lose, love it, nurture it with tweaks as you learn more about it and yourself, don't be too greedy and make sure you stay under the radar. Discretion really is the better part of valour when taking on casinos!

Agabus

[mcmonaco]

Hey kingspin, did you ever hear about the ritz team who took the casino for 1 million? They used a roulette computer to predict the area of where the ball will land---What are you talking about ?......computer??....Since have played a lot with Niko Toša/the guy from Ritz/must tell
you there wasn't any computers in his play...but visual note of each croupier in certain casino,as there was the nights he would be walking from table to table with pen notes and wouldn't play at all.

Did you hear about the Gonzalo family who took there local casino for hundreds of thousands using a method called "wheel bias"

What about Joseph jagger? "The guy who broke the bank at monte carlo" Again wheel bias.


You gong to say its all made up? It was luck?


The one who is living in cuckoo land is you my friend.

[ReDsQuaD]

What are you saying? A computer was not used? If not then what method was used to walk away with over a million?

[mcmonaco]

What are you saying? A computer was not used? If not then what method was used to walk away with over a million?

You wouldn't grasp it,but here,the man was a computer him self,even though
with new wheels and balls later he went broke DOWN UNDER/Aus/--never heard of him last
few years.

[ReDsQuaD]

You wouldn't grasp it,but here,the man was a computer him self,even though
with new wheels and balls later he went broke DOWN UNDER/Aus/--never heard of him last
few years.

In other words you don't know. The guy was no computer, If he was that was that smart, he wouldn't of took 1.2 million in under 2 days, resulting in a world wide ban. Over the long term, you could beat that figure. The people involved were a bunch of greedy Amateurs.

They used computers to assist them (visual ballistics).

By the way, just because a casinos buy "new wheels and balls" does not mean a thing. Indeed roulette is getting harder to beat, but every wheel has its weakness. and as for "new balls" this won't make roulette harder to beat.

So either you made that all up, or the ritz team are even more amateur than I thought... I think ill go with the first one.

[Steve]

mcmonaco, you got your information from someone that doesn't know the Ritz players. He claims he knows someone that knows them, but that person tends to stretch the truth. I know this because I know that person that claims to know the ritz players too. Thats why he's been promising your friend the chance to speak with them, but there is always some bizarre thing that happens and they dont end up speaking. Apparently they tested ff and found it rocks, but they prefer vb. And  apparently they found my rc is a scam, but they never saw it. Just like the only person making money with ff is the guy making millions and has money falling out of pockets and has trouble at airport terminals, but nobody knows him.

Only the ritz players themselves know what they used. Considering they had equipment seized and a case was being built, it points towards roulette computer use, but it was not some laser scanner. It could just have easily been basic vb too because the wheel's conditions were suitable. We know this because I have many partners in the industry, one of which has seen the footage. Based on information from credible sources, the ritz players were just semi-professional computer players with a big bankroll. With a big win like that, people assume they were pros when they arent. They have not had a smooth run since though. Some of my players have done far better

[Steve]

answer this: ff uses the traditional computer algorithm explained on my site. Forester added "anytime" predictions by incorrectly assuming the ball deceleration is linear. Thats fine for mega tilted wheels with no scatter. But on real wheels, the anytime predictions are abysmal. Try anytime predictions with level settings and see. So there is no accuracy for diamond targeting with anytime predictions, and you need to isolate to 1 specific revolution. Then take into account slight variation of ball travel distance that can means +/-2 revolution difference on different days, not even considering the effect of partial revolutions, or variation in scatter. You are left with a reduction in accuracy instead of improvement when using his new diamond targeting. Actually worse than the standard rc using basic algorithms. So is ff as great as he says, or no better than vb?.

It is conclusive and absolute fact that you will not get better accuracy that basic vb application assuming your vb application was ok. Thats why nobody makes money with it and even if they did, they are better off with vb. To understand forester's problem with me, see nolinks.roulette-computers.com/comparison.htm

[mcmonaco]

--Dear mr.Steve,
I got my information from nobody and don't really know what are you talking about.
I'm speaking FACTS,cause dear Sir,Niko Toša and  I have travelled/in my camper/many miles and countries around EU looking for suitable tables/croupiers/to play.BTW am not VB player but of my roulette knowledge I was assisting him several times.And prior to Ritz the man won over 400 k in casino Admiral Colloseum in Znojmo/Chech./and I was there.And will repeat there wasn't any computers involved,but
his VB knowledge.You are quite rihght about not having smooth runs after,Russia,Azerb.Macao and finally Australia.New wheels,new balls....specially in Macao where I was few years back without putting a chip on roulette table......but instead they have no commission baccarat wich I played instead.

[mcmonaco]

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