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jrhelp007

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Baccarat Bandit cash flow
May 19, 2013, 12:38:21 AM
I came across a website called:

http://baccaratcashflow.com/author/joe-bandit/

Did anyone purchase this system and can share information about it?

Thanks,

John

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Re: Baccarat Bandit cash flow
May 19, 2013, 09:46:20 AM
Just read bandit Joes blurb. Good advice on bankrolls (BRs). So many players gamble underfunded & lose, when if they had a decent BR or BRs they could/should win more often ?

Good Money Management (MM) is a must to stand any chance of winning. These forums have a MM section for very good reason.

As to his book on Baccarat betting ?  Like a lot of other forum members I'm always of the view that if a successful method/system is winning for the player/betting book seller why does he need to sell his idea  in the first place?

In his promo. hype he mentions turning $1,000 into $50,000. He also states that he has been successful in baccarat, in 2011, for almost 2 decades. So as we are now in 2013 I assume that's now 20 years ? Joes promo is a number of months short of 2 years old.

Lets see how it calcs out. Say at $50,000 profit per week x 50 (we have a holiday now & then ) = $2,500,000 per year x 20 years = $50 million dollars.
With that kind of money why would anyone bother to sell something that only makes them a small fraction of what they claim can be won ? Why would they bother to spend time processing orders & counselling customers on playing the bet method when you could travel the world visiting lots of casinos along the way living the good life all paid for by your low profile baccarat play ?

The logical conclusion is that the method fails and because it doesn't consistantly win like Joe claims he decides to try and make some money by selling the idea ?
1,200 books would gross him around $1 million.

The gambling world is full of betting systems. Most of us should have seen "Sure Fire" winning systems in horse racing, dog racing, sports betting, black jack, roulette, baccarat, slot/poker machines, lotto & lotteries, craps & probably others I can't think of right now ?

If any system really worked it would sell like hot cakes. Then with everybody winning the betting provider would go broke & close down & so no more betting.

Casinos, track betting, lotto etc.are still thriving. Many forums, including this one, mull over ways to get on top of the odds. Nobody YET has conclusively shown a winning system that returns meaningful amounts that allows an easy comfortable lifestyle without the need to work hard for a boss etc.

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Re: Baccarat Bandit cash flow
May 19, 2013, 02:55:31 PM
Thank you for your prompt reply/post.

Do you have a copy of the Baccarat Bandit Ebook? Or do you know where I can download the Ebook for free?

Thanks,

John

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Re: Baccarat Bandit cash flow
May 19, 2013, 05:50:04 PM
JR - No, I don't have anything on Bandit Joes book.  I only learnt & commented about it from the link in your 1st post.  The BANDIT part in the name alone should serve as a warning. Besides, wouldn't anyone giving out book details for free be infringing on the copyright ?

In his book promo he talks about winning & losing per Baccarat shoes. About 80 deals per shoe. Have a close look & think about his win/risk bet info. There he talks about the most difficult part = the initial 15 shoes, then he says it gets easier after that because you are then betting with the casinos money ? How does it get easier as the odds are always the same ?  Besides not many progressions will survive 15 x 80 = 1,200 deals where long strings of losses batter your BR.

 As I've already explained in my previous post I don't really think that Joes system is a consistant winner. I think you would be better off putting in the time to find a method that gives you a reasonable chance of making consistant profit rather than relying on risky expensive system sellers to fast track your betting visits to the casino.

How about testing a play method betting the SAME AS on either Banker or Player seperately as the results dictate ? Naturally you would only win on a back to back same result.
 Your progression would be your choice. As an example have a look at the Guetting progression as a reasonably safe way to bet. For your real casino play Bandit Joes bankroll advice is sound. If you don't yet have that amount for a bankroll wait and save it up. Like most casino games they'll still be there next week, next month, next year etc. etc. The play will still be the same.

Patience and self discipline is an important part of consistant betting success. All too often I see players become anxious & frustrated when they are losing and move off their bet plan. They then start impulse betting and soon leave the casino with empty pockets. I know 1st hand about that as I was prone to it when I started B & M betting a few years ago. Self discipline is easy to preach but in practice more difficult to maintain as you are trying to control that unpredictable animal within us all called human emotion. Casinos & all other betting thrives because of the huge numbers punters that play off beliefs such as luck, hunches or feelings that betting a certain way will make them a winner.

Before betting test it out by visiting a casino (Bandit Joe gives good advice by only playing at B & M - bricks & mortar casinos) and record the results & virtual bet the game. That way it only costs you time not money. A good stategy if you are saving up a decent BR. Search around the forums for baccarat discussions. Perhaps you could have a stop loss virtual play in your game as a "safety fuse" to limit a losing run that may bust your bank on continuous progression bets ?

As with most gambling/investing opinions, mine included, always do your own research because at days end it's your time & money.




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Re: Baccarat Bandit cash flow
May 21, 2013, 11:19:22 AM
Ausguy,

  Your last two messages are probably the best two I've seen on an open baccarat board in many, many months.

  Very well stated.

  AD
 

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Re: Baccarat Bandit cash flow
May 22, 2013, 01:25:52 AM
Thanks AD - Somehow I get the feeling that JR may be in "haste make waste mode"?

What method/system do you use to play Baccarat ?  Overall are you up or down ? I last played bacc. a few years ago but had no MM/bet management in place so gave it away as I lost more than I won. I still have some recorded results from those plays so I'll do some testing when I feel motivated.

Cheers - Ausguy.

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Re: Baccarat Bandit cash flow
May 22, 2013, 10:47:54 PM

What method/system do you use to play Baccarat ?

Currently playing a modified version of "NOR" to fit my playing style.  I'll probably move to NOR+ this year once I get a bit more comfortable with it.  I am very slow to change a style of play when it's producing consistently month after month.


Overall are you up or down ?

Up over the last four years (in August).  I'm playing most of my baccarat online with about 10% of my play at the local indian casino.

AD

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Re: Baccarat Bandit cash flow
May 23, 2013, 12:35:05 PM
AD - NOR & NOR+ ? Had a look in the VLS bacc. section for that game play but saw nil reference to it ? Could you summarise the play &/or give a reference to the site etc.

Thanks - Ausguy.

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Re: Baccarat Bandit cash flow
May 27, 2013, 01:35:54 PM
Ausguy with all the respect, it seems to me that you're are the one that is looking for the holey grail method, getting excited about a comment from AD who claimed to do good and "BEAT" the Casinos. NOR stands for  (Natural, Opposite, Repeat) method.

Search Google and you will find a few Videos about it. Their website is not free. To be a member you need to pay an expensive membership. ($500) a year something in that range.

From time to time I play NOR. The key is to see after several hands of a started shoe what method in NOR should be selected for this shoe. The majority of the time NOR players are losing. Why?:

a. NOR calls for playing every hand.
b. The shoe characteristic changes from choppy to Streaky to Natural vice-verse and this is how those NOR players getting "BEATING UP". You win some and you lose some.

Every experienced gamble and/or Baccarat players know that the key is to apply the proper Money Management techniques (not Martingale!) and have a large Bankroll to survive at this game (Baccarat period)!

AD is smart and modified the NOR as he waits in times to see a development of certain hands after he probably got 'BEATEN" up by some Baccarat cycles.

John

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Re: Baccarat Bandit cash flow
May 27, 2013, 08:06:00 PM
So JR does return after 9 days M. I. A. ? Where have you been ? Perhaps flitting like a butterfly over many forums and internet sites looking for that elusive avenue to riches ?
I stand by what I said previously, "haste make waste."

Anything to add to your subject header &/or what I said about Bandit Joe = BJ ? BJs info. is $300 + more than NORs at over $800.

 What if someone said it was A1, would you buy it ?

As to the Holy Grail aren't we all seeking it in one form or another ?

Re: Martingale - IF the table limits are favourable, MARTY is a viable option as a player only needs 1 hit to win & return to their play minimum. I play/test it with some stop losses & overall it works OK, nothing is perfect. Long low risk progressions usually need lots more winners than losers. If the overall average win strike rate in a session is below 50% (in my experience it always is) it is a slow grind to just break even let alone make a viable profit. By viable I mean the time & effort when compared to the earnings of working in the average job & general living costs.

With NOR you know a fair bit about playing it. Have you ever been a paid up member ?

As I've already said I haven't played Bacc. for a number of years & currently just researching & testing baccarat play. Until I'm satisfied that my play is viable I will not be risking any money on the game at the casino. That's the very reason we do our homework, yes?

As to getting exited, far from it JR, I like to follow the QUIET ACHIEVER approach.
 
I'm retired now so I have plenty of time to think things through etc.  Getting exited is reserved to seeing the short skirted dolly birds on display at my local casino.

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Re: Baccarat Bandit cash flow
June 20, 2013, 06:29:06 PM
I'm still here.

I play NOR with 70% success.

John

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Re: Baccarat Bandit cash flow
January 24, 2014, 06:52:07 AM
Just read bandit Joes blurb. Good advice on bankrolls (BRs). So many players gamble underfunded & lose, when if they had a decent BR or BRs they could/should win more often ?

Good Money Management (MM) is a must to stand any chance of winning. These forums have a MM section for very good reason.

As to his book on Baccarat betting ?  Like a lot of other forum members I'm always of the view that if a successful method/system is winning for the player/betting book seller why does he need to sell his idea  in the first place?

In his promo. hype he mentions turning $1,000 into $50,000. He also states that he has been successful in baccarat, in 2011, for almost 2 decades. So as we are now in 2013 I assume that's now 20 years ? Joes promo is a number of months short of 2 years old.

Lets see how it calcs out. Say at $50,000 profit per week x 50 (we have a holiday now & then ) = $2,500,000 per year x 20 years = $50 million dollars.
With that kind of money why would anyone bother to sell something that only makes them a small fraction of what they claim can be won ? Why would they bother to spend time processing orders & counselling customers on playing the bet method when you could travel the world visiting lots of casinos along the way living the good life all paid for by your low profile baccarat play ?

The logical conclusion is that the method fails and because it doesn't consistantly win like Joe claims he decides to try and make some money by selling the idea ?
1,200 books would gross him around $1 million.

The gambling world is full of betting systems. Most of us should have seen "Sure Fire" winning systems in horse racing, dog racing, sports betting, black jack, roulette, baccarat, slot/poker machines, lotto & lotteries, craps & probably others I can't think of right now ?

If any system really worked it would sell like hot cakes. Then with everybody winning the betting provider would go broke & close down & so no more betting.

Casinos, track betting, lotto etc.are still thriving. Many forums, including this one, mull over ways to get on top of the odds. Nobody YET has conclusively shown a winning system that returns meaningful amounts that allows an easy comfortable lifestyle without the need to work hard for a boss etc.


Ausguy, you give good advice. Everything you said is so true. Just like to add to what you've already said. Someone making that much shouldn't need to sell their system. Although some people making just enough probably might. This way, they can earn more while helping others win just enough. I think if someone can come up with a system that might not make a person rich but enough to help them out in times of need and guarantee to win is the kind of person that might try to sell something to make life easier and help others out at the same time. I think that would be reasonable. Claiming to make $600+ in a day and trying to sell it sounds a little unrealistic. Charging that much for a system is insane.

There are some people that might be willing to share for free as well.

Money Management as you say is the key to winning. Well, then there is emotions, having good size bankroll, and most important, setting a reachable goal. Most people lose for these three reasons. The hardest one to defeat as you mention is the emotions. You can overcome the other two. Most people just set unreasonable goals.

Regarding Money Management. It has to be random Money Management and not a fixed one. Sadly this the random Money Management can't be tested.

Don't believe Baccarat can be beaten by fixed Money Management. Take Blackjack for example. Although odds can be on your side at times, you still need to press hard when necessary. I don't believe there is a fixed amount on the mind to bet. This is why a system is hard to come by or if there is one at all.

Not sure if Baccarat Bandit's system works or not and I'm not about to pay that kind of money for it. Agree with you that his advice are good though.