Where can i find the john solitude raindrop method.

[insidebet]

xman1970,

When your bank manager calls you in his office, tell him to push the "ignore" button just to see what he says.
Guys like you that haven't done really that much just ignore people that have been there and done that many times over.  Go ahead just "ìgnore" my friend.

Insider.

PS.  If you think of responding that: "I don't you and you have done a lot more than I think",  well good for you but it doesn't show.

[xman1970]

You don't know me from Adam InsideBet and yes maybe I have done more or maybe I haven't. As you stated it wouldn't matter what I said, you wouldn't believe it because it "doesn't show" therefore you mind is made up.

In the end it doesn't matter, everybody has a choice & I am exercising mine, that's all....

If ignoring you means Kingspin get's somewhere with the way he plays then fair play to him....


BTW, in the real world, you I can ignore, my bank manger I cannot, but then again I have no need to ignore him

[insidebet]

xman,

Good for you if you don't have money problems.  I know I do!

All I am saying one should not "ignore" thousands of hours of research done by myself and many others. 

The intelligent person doesn't try to do all by himself.  He will use what others have done before him.  All I'm trying to do is put my extensive research to the use of others.  Use it or not, this your business, but to tell people to ignore me shows just that: your ignorance.

Some will ask: "If you are so smart, what have you come up with in the past?"  The answer is sweet nothing.  Well not quite.  But I have mentioned something good before and I won't go back to it.
Nobody except Tic Tac Toe has shown any interest.

The fact that I have not come up with anything doesn't mean that winning is impossible.  I still have not seen anything.  And nobody here has shown me anything that can win .   Some claim they have winning systems, but they are complex and take an awful long time to test by hand.  That is why I keep saying that you have to code these systems to be able to tell if they win or not.

Regards

The Insider

[xman1970]

Hey InsideBet 

First off, my "ignore" button DOESN'T state ignore you 

Ignorance is a trait I don't possess....

I would NEVER tell somebody to do that, I'm just not like that....

The reason I'm at the forum is to try and glean useful information off anybody.....

I understand what your saying with the testing angle, for me there is only one problem with programming with RX. It's too structured, it does exactly what you tell it...

I think you need two or three ways to bet and depending on the way things are going, change accordingly.....

Unfortunately RX plays "rigid" because that's whats it is told to do.....


I agree is helps to test quicker, but for me not as correctly as "actually playing"


Take it easy......

[insidebet]

Xman,

Point taken.

May be I just look  for something too "mechanical".  That is just the way I think. 
If you wait and see "the way things are going", you play on feelings.  You "feel" this system is working today so I will stick to this one, and not the others.  Do I get this right?

Insidebet

[xman1970]

Nope I'm not saying that.....

It for me, has nothing to do with "feelings"......

You have 3 systems A,B,C, you start playing A it loses a few times, you start to bomb, but B and or C would of won therefore swap 

Or system A is winning so why change???


Have a feeling you are totally & utterly going to rip me a new one in your next reply.....


Time will tell....

[insidebet]

Yes.  Pretty simple. You stick with the ones that work and drop the other ones.  Makes sense in theory, but for how long  a system will work is a pretty tough question to answer.  It is pretty random, don't you think?
I'm through "ripping" anybody.  It is useless.  And, besides, this was never my intention.  Although some guys take it so personally (hello Jakk, how are you?) that it is tempting to tease a little, I must admit.

Insider

[xman1970]

Didn't expect you to kinda agree that's all....

Yep it's random... & Yep as you have stated it's difficult.....

& Yep in theory it's wonderful......

But as we all know the roulette wheel can throw out some unbelievable sets of numbers.....

There are trends everywhere to spot, but riding a trend is what it's all about 

One thing I do know is that since of joining up here, my knowledge of the game has improved....

[Herb]

Xman- Is there anything that DOES work Herb

Yes, visual ballistics and dealer's signature if the ball release and the wheel speed is taken into account.

Xman-Am yet to see you give ANY system any chance.....

Systems don't work.  Strategies can.

& IF nothing does work, I'm confused as to why you would be here??

To meet and discuss strategies with like minded people.  To share knowledge.

Insidebet -Intelligent people will use the knowledge of others in their quest to reach goals.
The intelligent person doesn't try to do all by himself.  He will use what others have done before him.  All I'm trying to do is put my extensive research to the use of others.  Use it or not, this your business, but to tell people to ignore me shows just that: your ignorance.

Insidebet said it well.  The problem here is some of the people don't like to hear the truth, so they chose to remain ignorant.  It's easier to remain blissfully ignorant than it is to learn the facts.  The motto among them is to attack the messenger if you don't like the message.   

Xman-Thanking you in advance for your reply.....

You're welcome.   Sorry I didn't respond sooner.  I didn't see this post until a little while ago. 

- Herb

[xman1970]

Thanks for getting back to me Herb [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Ok, I stated systems you state Strategies for me that tomatoes tomatos.....

Pls look back on my replies to InsideBet on this thread I think that's my way to go.....

BTW, did you have any luck with that list of online live wheels??   

[Herb]

Systems are not stragies.

Pls look back on my replies to InsideBet on this thread I think that's my way to go.....

I don't know exactly to what you're referring.  Can you be more specific?

BTW, did you have any luck with that list of online live wheels??

I just began going through it.  Thanks for posting it !

[xman1970]

Ok, I'm tracking three different strategies A,B,C, you start playing A it loses a few times, you start to bomb, but B and or C would of won therefore swap 

Or system A is winning so why change???

That's the way I'm starting to look at things have a few weapons in your arsenal..... 


BTW, just be careful with those "playtech" live wheels, something very odd about them 

The Microgaming Wheel appears to be true....

[Herb]

Ok, I'm tracking three different strategies A,B,C, you start playing A it loses a few times, you start to bomb, but B and or C would of won therefore swap 

Or system A is winning so why change???

That's the way I'm starting to look at things have a few weapons in your arsenal..... 

If you play them separately, then you will still lose in the long run.


It's also possible for you to play all three simultaneously and still lose.  Here's a good example:

Imagine that you and a friend go to the casino:  Your friend bets red, and the zeros
                                                                    You decide to bet black and the zeros.

                                                                                       or
                                                                      Your friend bets just the red
                                                                     You decide to just bet the black
What happens?
                                                         

After 5 to 10k spins, you both still lose.  Why?  Because the house payout isn't fair.  You must gain the edge in order to win in the long term. 
Swapping systems that haven't changed the house edge will not help.   

-Herb

[xman1970]

Well Herb I will keep on testing & see what's what......

If it fails it won't be the first time....

It's the best I can do so far, so as always time & testing will tell.....

At lease I won't be continually betting a way that's losing, I can move on to a different way to lose....

[luke0407]

Hi guys,

I am a new member but have been reading with great interest the debates about the 'John Solitude' method amongst other things. I respect everyone has their own opinions regarding the subject, some things are fact and others fiction. Now i have a few questions i would like to ask and would greatly appreciate your input if you could spare the time. I would like to add that some of the things i will write are purely my opinion and are inoffensive in nature, this seems to be a forum for generally intelligent people and (despite some rather funny debates - Kingspin, Berlin Bruce and Herb!!) level, rational conversation.

Firstly;
1.) Just to prevent any (major) embarrassment i want to confirm what the John Solitude method actually is;
   - spin a wheel for 25 spins and wait for 6 adjoining 'stones' to sleep
   - flat bet on those 6 until they appear

I understand that there are variations on this, i.e wait for 12/13 adjoining numbers to sleep or use progression.

2.) Does this actually work? Quite an open ended question i realise, but i feel it could be proved one way or another by doing the following (i dont have the skills required to do it but would be happy to talk to someone that could);

- Using Roulette Xtreme right a code to run on seperate hamburg spin files
- Basing the code on certain fixed items, such as after 25 spins, stop at a certain profit level and have a stop loss strategy in place, e.g. 50

3.) I recognise that gamblers' fallacy dictates that you shouldn't chase sleepers or for those that don't hit for a while as it is cast iron fact that each roulette spin is independent of the next, however is it not possible that if a certain section does not come up that using this as a starting point to limit the number of bets is going to prove profitable? For example, every detail of roulette should balance itself out over time through the law of statistics and probability, lets say for arguments sake, 1,000,000,000 spins, now in any one persons roulette playing lifetime they could only realistically hope to play or watch a certain number of spins. My point being that you could spin 50 heads or 50 tails in a row - but it might not happen to you in your playing 'career' - but surely you could make profit in between that and enough of it to make a difference? (subjectively i'm talking 10,000 - 20,000 a year)

4.) Despite all the views on system or strategy, does anyone actually KNOW of anyone making a living from playing roulette professionally - surely that is an answer in itself as to whether or not it can be done?

5.) I have scoured long and wide on this subject, read around it, watched videos, been burnt and learned the hard way through cheap Martingale / Andruchi systems that DEFINITELY DO NOT WORK and other than JS method (or some variation of his method) there is only one other 'system/strategy' that i would like information on or have anyone discuss with me (privately or on this forum) is 'genuine winner' a website by Steve Hourmouzis?

I know there is a lot of information here but this is the only gambling forum i've come across where logical arguments are discussed without people just saying 'f' off or 'your a tw*t'.

In anticipation.

Luke

[luke0407]

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