TwoCat Tests the G.U.T Movies optional!

[madupz4]

[table=,]
Date,,W/L,,Running Total
Begin,,5,,205
10.21.8.2,,61,,$266
10.22.8,,<$130+>,,$130
10.22.8,,4,,$134
10.23.8,,2,,$136
10.24.8,,28,,164
10.24.8.1,,72@.50,,$202
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TC,,

This is real money not play money ?

[TwoCatSam]

mad

This is real money.  I am betting .50 per number at this time.  When my confidence increases I will go to $1 per number and on up.

Sam

[Novobetor]

@novo

we play flat bet. so there is no possibility to target a special win of day.

as further listings said:
a stop lossorwin like -40/+40 works badly
a stop win +40 and try to recover any loss works nice
no stop at L/W but just at spin 50 gives best results

after 50 days/ 3 sessions per day
-40/+40 = +905 (deepest br -237 biggest loss in a row -444)
+40/recover = +1598 (biggest loss in a row -298)
stop spin 50 = +2117 (biggest loss in a row ca. -270)

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winkel

Hi Winkel,

Could you please clarify this?

I read in your test thread of the GUT, you mentioned to KFS to use your clinical test rules as follow:
17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4

For your win of +2117 units, you only stop at spin #50, right?? You would bet on every trigger as long as it's still there. You do not use any stop rules like what you mentioned to KFS at all, right?

Thanks,
novo

[JHM]

I think this will answer your question. It's originally posted by winkel

17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4

36/numbers=times to bet (use first number only; 3,5 = 3)

stop at >39
otherwise play till spin 50, no stopploss no limit

we rebet a crossing as lon as it is alive
15-14 moves to 15-13 stop betting
15-14 stays 15-14 rebet (once see above)
especially later in the spins when bet 0vs2 appear:
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-8 loss stopp betting

9-9
9-8
9-7 stopp
9-8 (a 1 has hit) start betting max 4times again

hope that´s what you wanted to know

[Novobetor]

Hello JHM,

I understand fully of his rules:
17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4
They're as what you've just described in your last post, thank you for that.

What I wanted to know is that for his particular test that ended up +2117 units, did he use the above rules or not? Or he just bet on every trigger even if it exceeds 4 times.

[winkel]

Hi novo,

See Testing G.U.T:
bet every trigger with above rules stopping after 2 or thre or four losses due to amount of numbers to bet
stop at spin 50

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winkel

[TwoCatSam]

Well, the truth hurts........

[table=,]
Date,,W/L,,Running Total
Begin,,5,,205
10.21.8.2,,61,,$266
10.22.8,,<$130+>,,$130
10.22.8,,4,,$134
10.23.8,,2,,$136
10.24.8,,28,,164
10.24.8.1,,72@.50,,$202
10.25.8,,<$$$$>,,$29
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There are times when this thing just absolutely, positively will not work no matter what you do.  I have spent more hours than I care to count studying and testing this idea and then playing it with real money.  I will make the following allowance:  I may be doing it wrong.  Frankly, I don't think I am.

I lost and I jumped back; I lost and I jumped back.  On and on and on......

Now, if numbers are just numbers, surely on one of those jumps I would have hit a profitable run.  But, I didn't.  I lost and lost and lost.

I have stated many times, testing many systems, that if you are sensitive to it, you can tell "which way the wind is blowing".  I see it on the Chicco/murph especially and the 4Selecta with the Charts.  Doesn't that tell us something?  Either I'm full of bull or the wheel is different from day to day; maybe hour to hour.  If numbers were totally random, how could this be true?

I am taking some time off from the G.U.T.

An aside to those who have PMed me.  Read reply #16.  I said I might be seeing an anomaly.  That is a deviation from the norm.  No one should ever look at a 1,000 spin test I've done and decide to start betting real money.  Just don't do it!  Period!

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

OK, here's the deal.........

My rules did not work.  Can we as a group, decided upon a firm set of rules which I could play and report on?  I'll use real money and film it.  I'm going to ask questions now.

1.  Do we bet on a crossing before the 19/18?  Many 1 v 2 and 1 v >1 crossings are visible before the 19/18.  And some 2 v >2 and 2 v 3.

2.  Do we bet on crossings which are not really crossings: 1 v >2.  Let me promise you there are backward crossings where the >2 passes the 1 and you are betting on the 1.  How?  The 2 is becoming >2 by the 2 hitting.  I can show you on the tracker.

3.  If we lose the first possible betable crossing, 17/17, 0 v 1, twice, do we jump back?

4.  If we win the above, do we jump back?

5.  If we don't jump back after winning 17/17, do we at spin 50?

6.  What do we do about multiple crossings?  They happen all the time?

7.  Do we bet EVERY crossing?

8.  If we DO bet multiple crossings, do we bet the leftmost crossing or the crossing with the most numbers?  They are NOT always the same.

9.  If we have multiple crossings, do we just sit on our hands and wait for a single?

If the people who are interested in testing this beast will help me formulate a set of HARD-AND-FAST rules, I will test further and report.  I am sick of subjectivity and guessing.  When you let the subjective in, the casual observer can say, "Well, you should have...."

If he's so smart, let him test it and I'll watch!!

Help me out now, if you want to continue this test.  Otherwise, I'm about done.

Sam

[winkel]

this is todays live-test on Wiesbaden Table3

it explains some of your questions

1. Do we play before crossing 19-18
look at it and look what has happened before:
look at the N´s or "1"s spin 7 following:
up and down and up and down
as soon as a "0" appears a "1" hits, it literately walks through
this is a good sign to bet on "1" vs ">1" or "2"

br-highs: 29 back and up to 42 back and up to 59 back and up to 64 ...... how long will you test your luck until it is not recovering?
but the luck stays with us: back and up to 68 up to 90 how long will we stress it?
we overacted it: down 77 down 64 down 54 down .... how long will you watch this or is it time to jump?
43 31 19 12 4 : are you serious you are watching whats going on?
lucky at last we made a good decision not to bet the "0" (we lost 5 bets in a row on them) but took a chance on 2vs>2

2. is answered by the example before

3. 17-17 what is going on? Therein is the answer

4. watch what is going on

5. do we win or do we lose every crossing, if I lost three crossings I jump definitely

6. what is going on?
Is there a walk through like I described above: play the walk-through
do I lose all my decisions, am I wrong and wrong: jump back
am I right with my decisions: play until first loss and jump
Do I ride the same wave with my ideas as the spins do? Yes play on, No jump

7. If in doubt, don´t bet

8. see 6.

9. see 7.


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winkel

as always: don´t ask theoretically. Give spins where your question made you unsure, and I will give you the hint why you had to bet or why not.

[winkel]

help me formulate a set of HARD-AND-FAST rules,

a hard and fast rule:
one who kills another is to be punished!
A soldier killed another soldier: He´s to punish!
(or do we aks if the dead is a comrad or a combatant?)

Roulette is random like life, there are just hints no fast rules.

as I said before: G.U.T is different from all what´s ever published in roulette and you were searching for.

another fast rule: Don´t pee towards the wind!

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winkel

[winkel]

next picture todays wiesbaden toucbet 1

same structure

same start with bets on 1vs ">1" and "2"

look at spin 33 following: If 75 wasn´t enough I should have noticed that I am betting against the wheel after 6 losses
How I was wrong see spins 45 and following

br
winkel

[madupz4]

OK, here's the deal.........

My rules did not work.  Can we as a group, decided upon a firm set of rules which I could play and report on?  I'll use real money and film it.  I'm going to ask questions now.

1.  Do we bet on a crossing before the 19/18?  Many 1 v 2 and 1 v >1 crossings are visible before the 19/18.  And some 2 v >2 and 2 v 3.

2.  Do we bet on crossings which are not really crossings: 1 v >2.  Let me promise you there are backward crossings where the >2 passes the 1 and you are betting on the 1.  How?  The 2 is becoming >2 by the 2 hitting.  I can show you on the tracker.

3.  If we lose the first possible betable crossing, 17/17, 0 v 1, twice, do we jump back?

4.  If we win the above, do we jump back?

5.  If we don't jump back after winning 17/17, do we at spin 50?

6.  What do we do about multiple crossings?  They happen all the time?

7.  Do we bet EVERY crossing?

8.  If we DO bet multiple crossings, do we bet the leftmost crossing or the crossing with the most numbers?  They are NOT always the same.

9.  If we have multiple crossings, do we just sit on our hands and wait for a single?

If the people who are interested in testing this beast will help me formulate a set of HARD-AND-FAST rules, I will test further and report.  I am sick of subjectivity and guessing.  When you let the subjective in, the casual observer can say, "Well, you should have...."

If he's so smart, let him test it and I'll watch!!

Help me out now, if you want to continue this test.  Otherwise, I'm about done.

Sam

TCS,

I'm with you, I feel like i'm running in place, never making any consistent progress and I always feel like in the back of my mind it's because there are NOT enough clear cut rules.  Too many gray areas not enough black and white!

I just got done testing over 500 spins,,I thought I was making some progress, up +200 then it all came crashing down and I was at my original starting bankroll.  When this happens it is VERY frustrating because you feel like you basically just wasted your life testing those 500 spins!

[TwoCatSam]

mad

Yes, it could seem like a waste of your life.  But I found the study enjoyable!

Every person has their own ideas about what a system is.  For me, it is a mechanical process.  There are no decisions to be made.  There are those who say such a thing is an impossibility.  They may be right. 

On numerous occasions winkel said, "Bet every crossing." and "This is a clinical test."  "No decisions."  Do we remember that?  Now I learn we bet every crossing if.......

I have reviewed the print outs of winkel's posts, the scrolling ones.  There are dozens of crossings that were not bet and many bets were made on non-crossings.  Either a crossing is imminent or it isn't.  The thing is fish or fowl! 

I think the fair-minded people on this forum know I wanted--very badly--to prove the G.U.T. to be a profit-making system one could play for hours.  I had hoped it would be profitable over thousands of spins.  I can't do it.  I can't make it work.

I am not going to argue with winkel.  I am simply going to leave it at this:  I don't have enough "gambler's intelligence" to make it work.  It would seem I don't even have sense enough not to pee against the wind!

I sincerely hope others will take up this challenge. 

Sam

[madupz4]

TCS,,

I'm not sure how you did your testing, I can only speak for myself but I did notice that when I was losing, I kept on losing for quite a while, even after I jumped back and even after a jump back after spin 50.  These were the times that depleted my bankroll profits that I had made earlier.

If you look at Winkel's clinical testing, looking at every single one of his tests, he bet every trigger up to spin 50 with little human decision making and was able to make substantial profits.  I played just like this clinical tests playing every trigger up to spin 50 regardless of the results.

One of the differences between his tests and mine is after he reached spin 50 he STOPPED!!  Meaning, he cleared out the numbers, and started over with 50 NEW spins the next day.  If he had a losing session, he never "jumped back" and continued from spin 18 for another session.  He accepted his loss, and came back the next day with 50 brand new spins! 

I however kept going.  After I reached 50 spins with a profit or with a negative loss, I backtracked or "jumped" back 18 numbers (thinking I can keep going).  When I did that, many of those numbers that I was losing with were now in my "new session" of 37 numbers in my track4 software.  I can't help to now think that that may have had something to do with my results, and that fact that it seemed like every time I had a losing session after 50 spins, I would have a long losing streak for sometimes many games after that?

I am not done testing.  I want this to work just as bad as you!  I am going to try it again, but this time acting like Winkel in his clinical testing and after 50 spins, rather than "jumping back" I am going to clear it all out and start over from spin 37 and see if there is any difference.

What was your testing?  When did you jump back?  After 40+?  After 2 losses?  At spin 50.... did you jump back or start with a brand new 50 spins?

[kompressor]

the gut have solid rules for me :

play 50 spin however you loose or win

i bet every crossing...i bet on two if there's two

i dont jump back at all...if my last 50 were loosing I cross my finger on the next 50

this is the grail....but a 250 units drawdown is possible and will happen

you need a 600 units bankroll to play this sytem..this mean you can loose 400 units in a few days.....dont worry

poor winkel

[kompressor]

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